I made us a new length chart

**Vara La Fey** · September 21st, 2022, 01:49 AM

I made a new length chart because the only one I found here was old and had no URL.

There are some errors, esp in the Bob and Pixie area. I can fix it quick n easy, so lemme know.

https://imgur.com/a/GUG44h5

Or maybe I could post a preview right here. We'll see....

**Ada-banana** · September 21st, 2022, 02:18 AM

Looks great and really clear, thank you!

**lapushka** · September 21st, 2022, 03:02 AM

One minor detail. BSL is seen for a lot of us, below bra strap. Some however say above, so maybe it's a good medium.

ETA/ Looks great, though!

**tuanyiji** · September 21st, 2022, 03:34 AM

I didn't know ankle is called fairytale lol.
I always think of Butt Crack Length/BCL as a line (can be short or long depending on where you count it), while the tailbone/TBL or the coccyx is a fixing point.
There's no fingertip length/FTL here, but this length is determined by your own body, some people like me, FTL=mid thigh, some might be above, while some might be below.
From Classic downward, the milestones are getting farther to reach.

**Entangled** · September 21st, 2022, 06:06 AM

Nice chart! I would argue that bob is a style more than a length and can have a fair amount of variation. I think MBL and BSL are typically much closer (sometimes interchangeable), while APL and BSL tend to be further apart. Collar is often collarbone. Also, one missing but common milestone is fingertip length! But it would be hard to show that with the figure positioned the way it is.

**Suortuva** · September 21st, 2022, 06:44 AM

I'm just mildly amused when I compare this to my own body (not any kind of criticism), because it reminds me how different proportions we can have. I'm ridiculously high-hipped, there's barely 2 inches between my lower ribs and top of my hip bone. So if I ever manage to reach waist, that's pretty much even hip for me. What's happens then is abyss...

I was wondering about BSL, there have been lots of discussion about this, and I don't remember what's the most popular opinion. Not everybody wears a bra, so maybe underbust would be better and I think shoulder blades have been mentioned too (though I have never seen mine, so useless for me personally). Anyway, if the bras have a correct size, tha strap is located below boobs. Then of course, the band can be wide, and someone will measure in the top of it and someone else prefers bottom...

**LongLocke** · September 21st, 2022, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Suortuva

I'm just mildly amused when I compare this to my own body (not any kind of criticism), because it reminds me how different proportions we can have. I'm ridiculously high-hipped, there's barely 2 inches between my lower ribs and top of my hip bone. So if I ever manage to reach waist, that's pretty much even hip for me. What's happens then is abyss...

I was wondering about BSL, there have been lots of discussion about this, and I don't remember what's the most popular opinion. Not everybody wears a bra, so maybe underbust would be better and I think shoulder blades have been mentioned too (though I have never seen mine, so useless for me personally). Anyway, if the bras have a correct size, tha strap is located below boobs. Then of course, the band can be wide, and someone will measure in the top of it and someone else prefers bottom...

With regards to the BSL and MBL, both APL to MBL thread and MBL to Waist thread have a note from the LHC staff:

Mod Note:
Mid Back Length (MBL)=Bra Strap Length (BSL) and is used as a more inclusive term. If you do not wear a bra, you can locate MBL by wrapping a towel, measuring tape, etc around your torso just below your pectoral muscles/above your diaphragm (which ever is easier to identify), this will show you where MBL lands on your back.

I find that MBL and BSL tend to have 0 consistency between every iteration of length charts. As someone who does not wear a bra, this note was a huge moment of clarity for me. It also gives the user a much more concrete spacial awareness of where the marker is since it’s based on a point on the front of the body that is pretty consistent from person to person.

**rosenester** · September 21st, 2022, 07:33 AM

Fun! Nice work! I agree with putting BSL directly above MBL on your diagram, or combined would be even better. I wear a bra and am one who uses those interchangeably, bottom of bra strap=MBL.

I also think it’s fun & funny to compare my own proportions to the figure, I have a much shorter torso and WL and HL are 3 inches apart, much closer together than the diagram. Maybe because of my body, I would butt crack length where hip length is and move up hip length to right above BCL. But not everyone uses that marker, and hip length is one of those that really differs with the body, too. I have a bit of a bubble-bum so a bit bigger than the figure!!

**tuanyiji** · September 21st, 2022, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Suortuva

I'm just mildly amused when I compare this to my own body (not any kind of criticism), because it reminds me how different proportions we can have. I'm ridiculously high-hipped, there's barely 2 inches between my lower ribs and top of my hip bone. So if I ever manage to reach waist, that's pretty much even hip for me. What's happens then is abyss...

I was wondering about BSL, there have been lots of discussion about this, and I don't remember what's the most popular opinion. Not everybody wears a bra, so maybe underbust would be better and I think shoulder blades have been mentioned too (though I have never seen mine, so useless for me personally). Anyway, if the bras have a correct size, tha strap is located below boobs. Then of course, the band can be wide, and someone will measure in the top of it and someone else prefers bottom...

Meanwhile I have a ridiculously long torso and it probably took me a year and a half to go from BSL to hip, I’m estimating to pass Classic within 6 months and since I have really short legs, mid-thigh/fingertip and knees seems to be much more accessible from there.

**Joyful Mystery** · September 21st, 2022, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by tuanyiji

Meanwhile I have a ridiculously long torso and it probably took me a year and a half to go from BSL to hip, I’m estimating to pass Classic within 6 months and since I have really short legs, mid-thigh/fingertip and knees seems to be much more accessible from there.

Same!I also have a long torso and short legs. I hit BSL in August and will hit hip by next December, so almost a year and a half between those milestones. Lower half milestones will be quicker for me.