I just can't get the nautilus bun?

[Ashlbee]

* edit * I should clarify, the version that looks like an actual nautilus shelf from the side view

Hi guys!

So, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong? My hair is between waist and hip length now with a slight wave and medium/thick thickness. I've gotten the cinnabun, lazy wrap, figure eight, infiniti, pha, gebralter, and L bun, but for some reason, every time I try the nautilus I am met with failure.

I've watched many youtube tutorials on different methods, and it feels like I just run out of hair. Not sure if my hair is too thick (it took until just shy of waist for the lazy wrap) but I feel like others with my thickness or more have gotten the nautilus to work. Whatever I do it always falls and becomes a disaster. It's not a matter of adding two sticks because the failure occurs well before a bun is formed to hold by a stick. I think in the pulling it through phase something goes awry.

Do you have any tutorials or suggestions? Thank you!