Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC

[ktani]

Alley Cat

Thank you for continuing to report on the condition of your hair.

I look forward to your next report.

What is your natural colour?

[ktani]

I have made notes in the Pictures Post, to help clarify the 4 to 1 dilution, and hopefully make the calculations easier to understand.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1095

The Pictures Post is #15, in the recommendations post, linked in my signature below.

[ktani]

For me, the simplest way to understand the 4 to 1 dilution is by weight - 1 g = 1 ml.

50 g honey would require 200 g or ml distilled water.

For those who like to use cups - in US measurments.

For every 1/8 cup honey US, (2 tablespoons), use 3/4 cup distilled water.

For every 1/4 cup honey US, (4 tablespoons), use 1 1/2 cups distilled water.

[wintersun99]

wintersun99

Your hair looks really shiny.

How is the condition of your hair after the honey lightening? I realize that the mayo made your hair soft - I am wondering how your hair was right after the honey lightening treatment.

The condition was fine, it was soft and shiny. I didn't feel like it was as intensely conditioned as the honey/conditioner mix, which I realize is NOT the best for lightening. So I'm wondering: would the lightening mix work if I substituted coconut milk for the distilled water? I'm all for multi-tasking and if I could "up" my conditioning affect while still maximizing the lightening affect, I would love that! If it is counter-productive, that's ok too - I can always do a separate deep condition...let me know what ya think!

p.s. I am currently trying another lightening with the exact measurements you recommended (it's quite drippy)
1/8 cup honey, 3/4 cup distilled water, 1 tablespoon cinnamon

p.p.s the hair does look crazy shiny! I think it may still have some oil in it that didn't soak in, yet... it's not always that shiny

[ktani]

The condition was fine, it was soft and shiny. I didn't feel like it was as intensely conditioned as the honey/conditioner mix, which I realize is NOT the best for lightening. So I'm wondering: would the lightening mix work if I substituted coconut milk for the distilled water? I'm all for multi-tasking and if I could "up" my conditioning affect while still maximizing the lightening affect, I would love that! If it is counter-productive, that's ok too - I can always do a separate deep condition...let me know what ya think!

p.s. I am currently trying another lightening with the exact measurements you recommended (it's quite drippy)
1/8 cup honey, 3/4 cup distilled water, 1 tablespoon cinnamon

p.p.s the hair does look crazy shiny! I think it may still have some oil in it that didn't soak in, yet... it's not always that shiny

wintersun99

I am glad to hear that the honey lightening recipe left your hair soft and shiny.

No, I do not recommend using coconut milk as a substitute for distilled water.

Coconut milk, canned, contains a small amount of Vitamin C but it also contains iron, both of which can deplete peroxide and there is not enough water in it to use it as a substitute.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/n...roducts/3114/2

You would be much better off to use it separately, after honey lightening, as a conditioning treatment.

Your new recipe sounds perfect.

And whether or not it is partly from the mayo - "crazy shiny" sounds good to me.

[wintersun99]

good to know! guess I'll keep my two steps separate... that's probably better anyway, why mess with what works?

[ktani]

wintersun99

Both coconut cream and coconut milk were used previously in honey lightening.

I now know more about how Vitamin C and minerals can affect peroxide, as well the the importance of the correct dilution.

And I understand why the results using the old recipes were so very gradual.

The honey was not diluted well enough and the peroxide in the recipes was depleted from more than one source in some cases - the ingredients as well as the water used.

[ktani]

“What factors contribute to the decomposition of H2O2?
.... primary factors contributing to H2O2 decomposition …. increasing temperature …. increasing contamination (especially .... metals such as copper, manganese or iron) ....
http://www.h2o2.com/intro/faq.html#2

[ktani]

It is the coconut oil in the coconut milk and cream that has the peroxide value, and coconut oil contains no Vitamin C, and has no minerals in it except .1 mg of iron per cup.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/fats-and-oils/508/2

[ktani]

Just a reminder.

All updates and relevant information from this thread, are added to the recommendations post, linked in my signature below, either to the recommendations text or in the links provided.