Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC

[ktani]

August 2010 Update: Current details on honey lightening, a safe, alternative method to conventional peroxide/bleach, that can lighten any hair colour; virgin, colour-treated, hennaed and henndigoed hair. This is a very long thread. You can simply read this post to be up to date.
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START HERE

Honey lightening basics

The Successful Honeys List

The new dilution measurements

A one post summary of the new honey lightening recommendations,
with explanations and links.

A breakdown of the above link

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Methods and Details

How often honey lightening can be done

Choosing a honey and honey lightening boosters

Honey blends

The colours of honey

Notes on extra virgin olive oil and cardamom essential oil

Cinnamon caution

Coumarin information in more detail

Where to buy distilled water in different countries

Methods of application and covering a honey lightening treatment

Suggestions for doing roots only with honey lightening

Tap water, minerals and pH

pH and honey lightening

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Frequently asked about topics

When to pretreat

Diluting honey with conventional peroxide

Honey lightening and "extras"

Honey lightening and red tones

Honey lightening and cassia

Factors that influence changing an existing hair colour

Honey lightening on hennaed hair

Recent honey lightening recipe and method innovations

Honey lightening on henndigoed hair

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Miscellaneous

Honey lightening, Sun-In, UV Oxidation and Oxygen bleach

Vegan lightening recipes (no honey)

3 things reported to discolour hair

Differences between an SMT and honey lightening recipes

Honey and coughs and an all natural vegan (no honey) cold remedy, plus
information on coumarins and cassia cinnamon

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Pictures

Pictures of honey lightening with the new dilution

Pictures of honey lightening with just honey and water

Pictures of honey lightening on blonde hair

Pictures of honey lightening on medium shades of hair

Pictures of honey lightening on hennaed and henndigoed hair

Pictures of honey lightening on dark, dyed hair

[ktani]

I will be happy to help with any questions continuing from here.

[ktani]

frannyg

If you are concerned about how a honey lightening treatment might affect your hair colour - do a strand test first - it is no guarantee but it is better than not doing one, IMO.

A lot depends on the recipe, method and the honey but reddish tones on natural or colour-treated hair were not reported to be a problem in either Honey thread.

Honey treatments were actually reported to reduce brassiness for goldilocks, whose blonde hair is colour-treated - brassiness is a reddish tone. She successfully reduced brassiness from the wrong colour more than once.

[Liv]

Hi.

I've tried this recipe:
Hair with Multiple Layers of Henna
These recipes have been slightly altered to remove additions that proved irrelevant to the recipes working.
1. The Recipe: 1 cup tomato (pasta) sauce, 1/2 cup honey, 1/2 cup extra virgin olive oil (EVOO)
The Method: Mix and apply to wet hair, cover with a plastic bag or wrap, and leave on the hair for a minimum of 1 hour, rinse, shampoo and use a mild vinegar rinse to follow.
In this recipe, honey, tomato, and extra virgin olive oil all contain peroxide This was the first recipe to significantly lighten multiple layers of henna.

I've done the treatment 3 times (about once a week) on my hennaed/indigoed/chemiceal treated (dyed and bleached) hair now, and I'm really happy with the results. I am growing out my natural colour, and have tried several things the last 6 months to get rid of the henna/indigo colour. Nothing works as far as to totally remove the colour, the bleach made my hair multicoloured so I had to recolour my hair. And cut a lot of it off!

But, this treatment has lightend the colour a lot, the red/orange colour is not glowing like it used to and the indigo is slowly starting to let go.
I am going to continue to use this treatment (or one of the others) on a weekly basis, will report back later.

[ktani]

Liv

Thank you for posting your results.

I am so glad that you are so pleased.

The 2 best recipes IMO for hennaed hair are the one you tried and the 50:50 honey coconut cream recipe.

Viviane had great results with the coconut cream one on her henna and indigo but she got great initial results with the tomato pasta sauce recipe - in fact she is the one who created it.

Viviane is very innovative.

[ktani]

Liv

How did the treatment leave your hair condition wise?

[Liv]

I would have never tried tomato pasta sauce my self, or even think of it at all. Vivian, you are my hero. And, of course, you too, ktani for making this thread. I would really like to shake hands with you both one day.

The stuff does smell a bit, so I only leave it on my head for an hour or so. I wet my hair down before applying the stuff to my hair, and the first time I washed it first. Next time I will try to wash my hair with an chelating shampoo first to see if that speeds up the process.

Conditionwise, it made my hair great. In fact I have included EVOO in my daily routine now, it makes my hair feel and look like I use cones (but in a good way).

[ktani]

Liv

Great news about the condition of your hair - and thank you. I hope some day to meet you too.

People have used crushed tomatoes and tomato paste but they can tend to stain the hair more red - there were less problems and no red stain reported with pasta sauce.

You could if you want to, alternate the tomato sauce recipe with the coconut cream version but since you are having success with the tomato version and the EVOO is working out so well, there is no need. An hour at a time is the recommended minimum time so you are ok with that.

EVOO, of all of the oils I researched, has the highest peroxide value but has not been reported to lighten hair much on its own.

However, as part of your routine now, it could help somewhat on its own.

EVOO has been reported to be an excellent conditioning oil.

Coconut oil has a peroxide value too, but less than EVOO.

[ktani]

In terms of personal credits, this is the section from the Honey Article. I bolded the member's names here.

"A special note of thanks: to Maluhia, for the first honey lightening recipe for 1 hour with vinegar rinse; Viviane, for creating the first honey, tomato lightening recipe; Joliebaby, for altering the first honey, tomato lightening recipe; iris, for the first honey, amla, cassia, hibiscus lightening recipe; and everyone who gave their feedback, pictures and time."

[FrannyG]

Originally Posted by ktani

frannyg

If you are concerned about how a honey lightening treatment might affect your hair colour - do a strand test first - it is no guarantee but it is better than not doing one, IMO.

A lot depends on the recipe, method and the honey but reddish tones on natural or colour-treated hair were not reported to be a problem in either Honey thread.

Honey treatments were actually reported to reduce brassiness for goldilocks, whose blonde hair is colour-treated - brassiness is a reddish tone. She successfully reduced brassiness from the wrong colour more than once.

Thank you ktani! I did a strand test and was happy with it. Right now I'm soaking in a conditioner/honey mix with a hint of olive oil. I will let you know what the results are.