Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC

[ktani]

I've been using lemon juice diluted in water for a final rinse, since I was out of white vinegar. Did it make a difference? I don't know. But my hair has been increasingly softer, nicer, and lasting longer between shampoos since I started the honey. And that's not even a daily event; I've only done it four times now.
The only problem I've had is at my sideburns, by my ear; no matter what I do, once my hair dries, they have varying degrees of crunchiness. But after a day or so, they soften up, and I don't notice it. I shampoo, I scrub, but it keeps doing it, even now, almost a week and two shampoos after a honey treatment. It's odd, though perhaps it's because those spots tend to dry out, since caps don't cover those spots well.

Try putting your lemon and water rinse on those sports to help remove the honey after a treatment. You can take a cotton ball soaked with your rinse and apply it to the areas, leave it for a bit, then rinse. Lemon juice can be drying but if you dilute it enough, it is fine and not a problem used after a honey lightening treatment, like you are doing or any time as a post wash rinse. When you get more vinegar, vinegar and water may help too. Or just when you are in the shower or bath run the water continuously over those areas.

To help prevent the areas from drying out during a treatment, mist them again before you cover your hair and during a treatment. Peel back the cap a bit, just there on each side, mist with water and recover. It sounds as if the treatment is pooling there, trying to drip and getting "stuck".

[ktani]

Notes on EVOO (Extra Virgin Olive Oil) PV is short for Peroxide Value
"The PV is greatly reduced by the refining process used for most vegetable oils. Virgin olive oils are not exposed to such processes and the PVs permitted in these products are considerably higher. The IOOC and CAC standards permit extra-virgin olive oils to have PVs of up to 20 meq/kg, while pure olive oils, which by definition are blends of virgin and refined olive oils, must have PVs below 10 meq/kg."

In other words, the peroxide value of a pure evoo is going to be higher than that of a blend of evoo and olive oil, which would be about that of coconut oil.

Here is one source for cardamom essential oil and they sell samples, as well as provide information.

[Shikyo]

Here are the new results, for a new combination I tried out. Otherwise the same as before, but I added 2 teaspoons of cardamom and 2 teaspoons of cinnamon. Also I only left it on my hair for an hour.

In each picture I'm wearing the same shirt and the wall is black, so I modified the earlier picture a little by taking the black shirt as the black point and the white wall as white point, to create the most accurate comparison as the lighting is always slightly different.

Before the treatment(the same one as before, as this was the starting point for this time):



After the treatment with no flash:



After the treatment with Flash:



Results: There was a lot more lightening done than I expected. Not going to give up with the lightening. It seems to be possible to get lighter and lighter so I shall keep trying.

I shall keep you updated on my journey to lighter hair. I also changed to white vinegar for the rinsing and after the one time I've used it, it seems to like it more than the one I had before.

[ktani]

Here are the new results, for a new combination I tried out. Otherwise the same as before, but I added 2 teaspoons of cardamom and 2 teaspoons of cinnamon. Also I only left it on my hair for an hour.

In each picture I'm wearing the same shirt and the wall is black, so I modified the earlier picture a little by taking the black shirt as the black point and the white wall as white point, to create the most accurate comparison as the lighting is always slightly different.

Before the treatment(the same one as before, as this was the starting point for this time):



After the treatment with no flash:



After the treatment with Flash:



Results: There was a lot more lightening done than I expected. Not going to give up with the lightening. It seems to be possible to get lighter and lighter so I shall keep trying.

I shall keep you updated on my journey to lighter hair. I also changed to white vinegar for the rinsing and after the one time I've used it, it seems to like it more than the one I had before.

WOW! I consider this an unqualified success in terms of results. Nicely done and an example too of how 1 hour is all that is needed for honey lightening, when all the variables are in place. I and going to add your results with recipes, to the Pictures Posts.

Nicely Done! Congratulations!!!! I look forward to more reports and pictures. Thank you as well for explaining about the lighting and what you did to get the most acurate pictures.

[Shikyo]

WOW! I consider this an unqualified success in terms of results. Nicely done and an example too of how 1 hour is all that is needed for honey lightening, when all the variables are in place. I and going to add your results with recipes, to the Pictures Posts.

That just reminded me that I forgot to mention something earlier. As from what I understood it works the best if the hair is as wet as possible, so I decided to dip my head into the liquid. I kept my head under the liquid for 60 minutes and turned my head around when I started to feel the it becoming dry again. My SO helped me with the locations I could not wet myself by just turning the head, she did this every 15 minutes. Getting it off from the hair was rather painful though, totally possible without any use of shampoo or anything else just plain water.

Shall I actually write more detailed what I did to gain this result?

Nicely Done! Congratulations!!!! I look forward to more reports and pictures. Thank you as well for explaining about the lighting and what you did to get the most acurate pictures.

Thank you. I'll try to do my best from now to get even better results. More pictures and reports to come assuming they work. I thought I'd add the information about lighting and the pictures, so that everyone knows how well they can be compared. This time I also noticed that the flash on the camera really changes my hair color, so I also gave you one without the flash. It is strange as in the pictures my hair seems a lot more reddish than in real life.

[ktani]

That just reminded me that I forgot to mention something earlier. As from what I understood it works the best if the hair is as wet as possible, so I decided to dip my head into the liquid. I kept my head under the liquid for 60 minutes and turned my head around when I started to feel the it becoming dry again. My SO helped me with the locations I could not wet myself by just turning the head, she did this every 15 minutes. Getting it off from the hair was rather painful though, totally possible without any use of shampoo or anything else just plain water.

Shall I actually write more detailed what I did to gain this result?



Thank you. I'll try to do my best from now to get even better results. More pictures and reports to come assuming they work. I thought I'd add the information about lighting and the pictures, so that everyone knows how well they can be compared. This time I also noticed that the flash on the camera really changes my hair color, so I also gave you one without the flash. It is strange as in the pictures my hair seems a lot more reddish than in real life.

Yes please give as many details as possible. Your method sounds very innovative. You can CO (use conditioner only) wash out a treatment, if you like.

I would also like you to give details as you go, on the condition of your hair. Your biggest concern was hair damage. Signs of peroxide damage to hair are hair that becomes: gummy, thin, brittle, split, and broken. None of these signs has been reported with the use of honey lightening.

Note: gummy hair was reported in one case only but it turned out to be honey residue. Shampoo eventually removed it but the person had to give up honey lightening because honey always caused a residue problem for them and they did get mechanical damage because of the residue issue. They did not get any damage from the peroxide in their recipe.

[ktani]

The Pictures Post of hair by hair colour category is too big now, so I am going to break it down.

[ktani]

Honey Lightening Results

On blonde hair

firebird - 3 sets of pictures, 2 sets linked - on previously dyed hair and virgin regrowth, with ground cinnamon and EVOO
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=393, on a cassia treatment that had darkened her hair - with ground cinnamon and EVOO, no conditioner, -http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=489

morgwn - on virgin hair with cassia - after using firebird's new honey lightening recipe with cassia, ground cinnamon and EVOO - no conditioner - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1097, on the condition of her hair following honey lightening with cassia, - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1101

kokuryu - on virgin, mid-blonde hair - using only tap water and honey, unmeasured - after 2 treatments,
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1765, picture, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1767, no damage reported, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1801

melikai - on previously hi-lighted hair - the new dilution, with distilled water and cardamom, after 2 treatments
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2055, on the condition of her hair after 2 treatments, - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2060

BranwenWolf - honey lightening hi-lights on faded strawberry blonde dyed hair, - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3504, recipe and method details -http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3506

Shikyo - honey lightening on a mix of virgin and previously dyed hair (previously dyed 3 years ago), recipe and first results
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3901, new recipe - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3912, method details -http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3914, complete method details - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3920, more lightening - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3934, details on lighting and pictures - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3936

Reptilia - 1 treatment on previously dyed hair with virgin roots, ground cinnamon, ground cardamon and evoo - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4091, results and the condition of her hair - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4093

HuggyBear - after 4 treatments on natural medium dark blonde hair - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4357, on the condition of her hair - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4359, recipe and method and honey used - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4361, hair colour, and location, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4363, after 5 treatments, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4377

[ktani]

Pictures of honey lightening

On medium shades of hair

Jan in ID - on mid-brown virgin hair - with distilled water - after 2 treatments - with ground cinnamon and booster oils - no conditioner and the condition of her hair following honey lightening
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1299

Jan in ID - on mid-brown virgin hair - with the new dilution and distilled water - after 3 more treatments - with ground cinnamon and only 1/2 tblsp EVOO, no conditioner and the condition of her hair, after 5 treaments
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1721

HalcyonDays - on dark mid-brown virgin hair - with the new dilution using tap water - after 1 treatment - left on the hair for 2 hours - just water and honey. The lighting is dark in the before picture, so I requested a replacement picture.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1633

HalcyonDays - on the condition of her hair following honey lightening and a replacement before picture
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1635

ShaSha, after a 2nd treatment, with just honey and tap water (the first was honey, tap water and cassia but there are no pictures)
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3523

recipe and method details for the 2nd treatment
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3542

maryann, on virgin hair with one cassia treatment, after several overnight honey lightening treatments, with the new dilution, and wearing a shower cap
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4041

tokidokichi, on conventional dyed red dyed, after 1 treatment with the new dilution and distilled water with evoo and ground cinnamon
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4295

details on the condition of her hair and the brand of honey used
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4297

[ktani]

Pictures of honey lightening

On dark hair - henna and henndigo

Maluhia and Viviane - from an older Honey thread with the old dilution recipes, Maluhia honey lightened chemical dye and Vivianne, on henndigoed hair
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...9&postcount=38

mellie - from an older Honey thread - on henndigoed hair (baq henna used once or twice) - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=224

mellie - pictures on multiple layers of Rainbow Dark Brown Henna -
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=572

bizarrogirl - on henndigoed hair (2 henndigo treatments) (baq henna) and then on multiple henna layers - after 2 treatments in total - with ground cinnamon
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=586

kimki - on hennaed hair - after 2 treatments, 1 with ground cinnamon - no conditioner
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=958

soleluna - on hennaed hair (baq Egyptian henna) - the new dilution - after 1 treatment - with distilled water and only 1 tsp ground cinnamon - no conditioner
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1375

soleluna - recipe details and the condition of her hair following honey lightening Note: the correct amount of honey used was 2 tablespoons - there was an error made in transcribing the recipe
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1377

LadyPolaris - on hennaed hair - after 2 treatments, ground cinnamon and no conditioner
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=867

LadyPolaris - on hennaed hair - after 3 treatments - 1 with the new dilution, with distilled water, ground cinnamon and EVOO - no conditioner
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1583

LadyPolaris - on the condition of her hair following honey lightening
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1586

LadyPolaris - on hennaed hair - after 4 treatments - 2 with the new dilution with distilled water, ground cinnamon and EVOO - no conditioner and the condition of her hair following 4 honey lightening treatments
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1651

Fethenwen, after 2 treatments, using cardamom essential oil , 1 tsp powdered cinnamon and distilled water, using the new dilution on 2 years of hennaed hair (the last 6 months, doing roots only)
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3528, another picture of the new hair colour, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3553

recipe details
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3538

method details
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3540

Sokudo Ningyou, after 1 treatment of honey, distilled water and 1 teaspoon ground (powdered) cinnamon, on 3 year old henna, grown out for 6 months, and on the condition of her hair, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3851, - after her 3rd treatment, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3877

lundmir, after 1 treatment, of honey, distilled water and ground cinnamon, on previously dyed and henned hair
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3989, method and washing out details, - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=3991

Merrykat, 2 treatments of a new dilution recipe, on previously dyed and hennaed hair
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4100

Tangles, medium dark brown hair with some henndigo, after 5 or 6 hour long hour long treatments with the new dilution
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4136, details and recipe, with a before picture - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4138

lilravendark, on previously henndigoed hair, after 4 treatments, with 50:50 honey and boiled tap water
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4319, details, recipe, method and honey used -
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4321, the condition of her hair following honey lightening - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4323

Heartwillfollow, after 6 honey lightening treatments on hennaed hair - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4398 more details - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4405