Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC

[ktani]

Here is a honey conversion table. See "Convert cup of honey into grams g, ounces oz or tablespoons."
http://www.traditionaloven.com/conve...surements.html

That is pretty close to this from "Nutrition Facts" See "Serving size".
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/sweets/5568/2

[Sissilonghair]

Hi ktani,
what can you tell me about the oak chestnut honey,that is a very dark one I can find it in the stores were I live,but I don't know if it is good for lightning .

[ktani]

Sissilonghair

I have never heard of oak chestnut honey but I think that there are many types of honey from different plant sources.

A quick search of chestnuts however revealed that they are high in Vitamin C.

"Chestnuts differ from most nuts .... they are higher in vitamin C"
http://www.luvnpeas.org/edibility/ed...eferences.html

How that would translate into a chestnut honey - I am not sure.

Other than avoiding the honeys high in Vitamin C - listed in the recommendations - See #9, I would not concentrate on a single type of honey except for Jarrah honey.

That is why I recommend buying a cheap dark coloured honey blend - see #1 or using the Successful Honeys List - also See #1.

A blend IMO, increases your chances of trying a honey with a higher peroxide value - until I can get the Jarrah honey suppliers list ready.

Jarrah honey on average is noted for having a very high peroxide value.

[Sissilonghair]

Sorry that is the way is called over here but doesn't not comes from chestnuts,I guess it has that name because of the colour,it has a strong scent and is a little bitter,that is what I was reading from a research...

[ktani]

Sissilonghair

I did find references on the net to a bitter honey that is sourced from chestnut blossoms - blossoms from all plants are where bees get the nectar and pollen needed to make honey.

"Italian Chestnut honey .... gift from the chestnut orchard."
http://www.babbonyc.com/in-chestnuts.html

"Chestnut honey .... pungent and unmistakable flavor .... aftertaste .... reminiscent of .... bitter almond ...."
http://www.foodandwine.com/recipes/c...chestnut-honey

Until I can get the Jarrah honey post ready - I still think that you are better off with a cheap, dark coloured honey blend, after reading recommendation #9.

According to this, chestnut honey is high in iron - not good for a peroxide value - hydrogen peroxide is negatively affected by metals - iron included. See "Different kinds of honey on the market"
http://www.consumerbuyguide.com/guid...age/honey.html

[ktani]

I added the honey conversion table to all versions of the recommendations post.

See #1
See "Convert cup of honey into grams g, ounces oz or tablespoons." http://www.traditionaloven.com/conve...surements.html

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1096

1 cup is normally 8 fluid oz but 1 cup of honey is 12 oz.

1 cup of water is only 237 grams
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/beverages/9238/2

This website is in agreement on honey - 1 gram shy of 340 for 1 cup.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/sweets/5568/2

1/4 cup of honey would be 85 grams or 4 tablespoons. So you would need 340 grams or 16 tablespoons of water for every 1/4 cup of honey.

"Weigh 10 g honey .... mix with 40 g .... distilled water."
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/H2O2.html

That is the minimum - so just go from there.

That is easier, IMO.

[ktani]

I edited the recommendation posts - to reflect that the water is done by weight - e.g. 40 grams water to 10 grams honey.

So simple but weight is the key.

[Loreyanne_H]

I'm trying for the first time the honey way to get a light in your hair LOL

I tried:
* 2 tablespoons honey
* 8 tablespoons mild water from tap
* 1 coffeespoon cinnamon powder.

I've covered my hair with a plastic cap and in 20 minutes it will be done

[ktani]

Loreyanne_H

Thank you for your recipe.

It sounds good. Distilled water is recommended, however tap water should work just fine - depending on the mineral content of you water - perhaps not as well as distilled water can work.

I look forward to your results!

[ktani]

Jarrah honey is known to have a very high peroxide value.

"Manuka honey .... New Zealand honey .... peroxide levels of about 18 per cent on average .... But we’re finding peroxide levels 54 per cent higher, with an average of about 28 per cent .... a very big increase ...."
http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/stories/s494171.htm

see "Comparing Different Types of Honey" - date 2008
" .... Jarrah honey .... contains higher amounts of glucose oxidase .... "
http://ecam.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/nem175

Glucose oxidase is the enzyme in honey that generates hydrogen peroxide.

Jarrah honey suppliers I found and contacted June 2008 - prices and shipping costs vary as will stock amounts.

1. Their price list and they report Jarrah honey in stock. They do ship internationally.
Prices
http://www.beesneez.com.au/price-list.html
Contact page
http://www.beesneez.com.au/contact.html

2. Yes to Jarrah honey in stock and they ship internationally. This one seems to be fast on replies to inquiries.
Contact page
http://www.beehappy.com.au/aboutus.htm
Order page with prices
http://www.beehappy.com.au/orderform.htm


Jarrah honey reports (Jarrah honey was used in both cases after other honey was tried. Jarrah honey made a difference, IMO, as well as the new dilution and better water choices).

Alley Cat - on chemically dyed, almost black, previously hennaed hair (which shows as red) - 4 to 1 dilution - after 9 treatments - 8 with no conditioner - 3 with ground cinnamon - the last 5 with just water and honey, the 3 most recent with distilled water and the new dilution
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1492

Aley Cat - on the condition of her hair following honey lightening
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1495

Alley Cat - more on the condition of her hair following her 9th honey lightening treatment - which was with Jarrah honey, which has a very high peroxide value
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1596

gallows gallery - dyed black hair over henna on the condition of her hair after 6 honey lightening treatments, the new dilution and Jarrah honey
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2637

gallows gallery earlier pics, dyed black hair over henna, the new dilution
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2638

gallows gallery new pics, dyed black hair over henna, the new dilution and Jarrah honey
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2780