Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC

[Sissilonghair]

Hi girls...I'm going to slime my hair too in a couple of hours.
This time I want to use roman chamomille infusion instead of plain water and see what happens,my intention is to use cinnamon also since I did not have any allergy problems last time...see you later
flapjack I hope to see your pictures soon

[ktani]

Sissilonghair

Good luck!

[Sissilonghair]

Here I am to report on my result....ktani don't you worry I am fine now I am back to my normal colour
This time I can definately see some gold all over my hair...what I use is one cup of roman chamomille infusion and 1/4 cup of honey and 1 tsp. cinnamon....
and I am happy with the result
for sure I'm going to experiment more

[Gabriel]

I did another lightening treatment this time not adding cloves...just the water & honey & cinnamon & a bit of olive oil.

4 oz water
1 oz honey
1/2 tbsp cinnamon
1tsp olive oil

My hair is still pretty dark but there are definitly golden lights in my hair now. The sun picks them up & the ends, where I guess the hair is older has a nice natural gradiation to them with hints of gold. Looks pretty in updos.

No damage that I notice and it leaves my hair softer and shinier.

[ktani]

Here I am to report on my result....ktani don't you worry I am fine now I am back to my normal colour
This time I can definately see some gold all over my hair...what I use is one cup of roman chamomille infusion and 1/4 cup of honey and 1 tsp. cinnamon....
and I am happy with the result
for sure I'm going to experiment more

Sissilonghair

I am so sorry that you had a problem with the cinnamon in terms of irritation.

I am also glad that as with other reports on the same condition, that the problem was temporary.

I was out all day and this is the first time I have been online since this morning.

And I am also glad for you that you got some lightening.

How is the condition of your hair?

[ktani]

I did another lightening treatment this time not adding cloves...just the water & honey & cinnamon & a bit of olive oil.

4 oz water
1 oz honey
1/2 tbsp cinnamon
1tsp olive oil

My hair is still pretty dark but there are definitly golden lights in my hair now. The sun picks them up & the ends, where I guess the hair is older has a nice natural gradiation to them with hints of gold. Looks pretty in updos.

No damage that I notice and it leaves my hair softer and shinier.

Gabriel

Thank you for your report.

I am glad to read about the hi-lights.

If you have no problem tolerating cinnamon - you can increase the amount to 1 tablespoon and possibly 2.

Thank you also for your report on the condition of your hair - I always want to know that - and ask about it - "softer and shinier" is excellet news.

[ktani]

Taking another look at distilled water and honey lightening.

1. Distilled water is the water used in testing a honey for its peroxide value

2. "Hydrogen peroxide .... decomposes .... in contact with salts such as iron, copper, manganese, nickel, or chromium."
http://web1.caryacademy.org/chemistr...oxide/home.htm

The mineral content of plain water can be a problem for honey lightening. Distilled water for honey lightening is a better choice.

Types of purified water See "Distilled water"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distilled_water

Deioized water can be used as an alternate water.

Spring, well water and most filtered waters contain minerals and are not recommended.

[ktani]

These recommendations are based on accredited research and successful honey lightening reports in this thread.

A Comprehensive Summary of the newest honey lightening recommendations. Patch test any ingredient not previously used on the scalp or skin.

1. The 4 to 1 dilution is 4 parts water to 1 part honey. It is now the recommended dilution to be used for honey lightening. With this dilution, a treatment only needs to be left on the hair for 1 hour, because a honey will produce its maximum amount of peroxide in that time. The minimum amount of honey to be used is 10 grams. Here is a honey conversion table - See "Convert cup of honey into grams g, ounces oz or tablespoons." Use 4 times the amount of water by weight, e.g. 40 grams water to 10 grams of honey. You can also convert to ml, because 1 gram = 1 ml.
http://www.traditionaloven.com/conve...surements.html
According to reports posted in this thread, better results were achieved with the 4 to 1 dilution in 1 hour, than with repeated treatments using the old dilutions. Different honeys produce different levels of peroxide. Here is the Successful Honeys List - if one cannot be found - try a dark coloured honey blend - raw or pasteurized - both have been reported to work equally well.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ount=856itamin

2. Distilled water is recommended to be used for honey lightening in place of plain water. It is a better choice, for getting the best results from a honey lightening recipe because hydrogen peroxide can decompose in contact with certain minerals. More information on distilled water can be found here.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1173

3. The honey lightening boosters - ingredients that add extra peroxide to the recipes are; ground cardamom, ground cinnamon, coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil.
Spices can be irritating - less is more with the 4 to 1 dilution - start with 1 tablespoon after patch testing - suggested maximum - 2 tablespoons.
Oils can be difficult to wash out of the hair - suggested amount - 1 tablespoon.

4. Herbal teas if used instead of straight distilled water - chamomile - Roman chamomile is preferable but it is possible that chamomile can add a gold tone to the hair. Mullein - leaves only not flowers - the leaves are not known to add colour. The herbal tea should be brewed with distilled water.

5. Herbal tea that is used with honey lightening needs to be cooled first to room temperature before any other ingredients are added to it. Do not add spices to a recipe after you have applied the recipe to your hair - if any dry spice spills - you risk skin irritation - mix the spices into a recipe. The spices will blend better, mixed into herbal tea, when the honey is added first.

6. For blondes, lighter hair colours, and hair colours where one does not want the possibility of added colour, distilled water is better, than risking added colour by using herbal tea.

7. Distilled water used with honey lightening should be room temperature only. Do not add spices to a recipe after you have applied the recipe to your hair - if any dry spice spills - you risk skin irritation - mix the spices into a recipe. The spices will blend better, mixed into water, when the honey is added first.

8. No external heat should be used with honey lightening - no blow dryers, sunlight. None of the recipe ingredients except herbal tea should be heated at any time. Heat (except body heat) can destroy hydrogen peroxide by decomposing it to water and oxygen. It depends on the degree of heat and the amount of time that it is applied. Pasteurization does not destroy the enzyme in honey that produces peroxide.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=883

9. No ingredients that contain Vitamin C, (except ground cardamom, which has the highest peroxide value for a spice and a low Vitamin C level), should be used in the recipes. Hydrogen peroxide oxidizes Vitamin C and is depleted in doing so. Some honeys naturally contain higher levels of Vitamin C. Avoid using Anzer, buckwheat, linden flower, locust flower, mint and thyme honeys. Most honeys contain very low levels. Here is a list of ingredients that contain Vitamin C.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=429

10. Jarrah honey, from Australia, is known for its very high peroxide value and is a good choice for honey lightening. Information on Jarrah honey and current suppliers can be found here.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1266

11. Conditioner is no longer recommended to be included in honey lightening recipes. Conditioner can contain ingredients that interfere with honey lightening and because of its water content (most conditioners are between 70 to 90 % water), if used as part of the 4 to 1 ratio, shorten the amount of water needed for optimal honey dilution. You can use conditioner only, to wash out a honey lightening treatment, instead of using shampoo or just rinsing it out. If there is honey residue, shampoo and or a vinegar rinse is recommended and has been reported to easily resolve the problem.

12. The honey lightening recipes can be applied with a tint or blush brush for more control of placement.

13. Cover the hair during the 1 hour needed for the treatments, with plastic, a bag, wrap or shower cap, to ensure the best results. This provides a constant moisture level, and allows the honey to produce peroxide uninterrupted. If the hair starts to dry, the honey slows its production of peroxide and it will stop producing peroxide altogether, if the hair dries completely. An option is misting the hair without the use of plastic, provided that the hair is kept wet at all times during the treatment. Honey only produces peroxide when diluted and kept wet. The treatments can be left on the hair longer than 1 hour, if so desired. You can also let a recipe sit for 1 hour before applying it, to allow the honey to produce its maximum peroxide value.

14. Honey lightening has not been reported to damage hair even after repeated use, over long periods of time. What has been reported occasionally is dry hair and crunchy ends. That is a honey residue result, and can easily be resolved by shampooing and or a vinegar rinse. The effects are temporary when shampoo and or vinegar are used. Some honeys leave less residue than others. More on honey lightening, and research on the protective mechanisms in honey lightening recipe ingredients, can be found here.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1035

15. This is the updated Pictures Post of some past and current Honey thread, honey lightening results.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1095

[ktani]

A great and informative discussion IMO, on where to buy distilled water - most grocery and drugstores.

Someone on the forum linked below provided a long list of retail outlet names.

The list is of American retailers but the kinds of vendor sources for distilled water should be the same everywhere.

http://www.hardforum.com/archive/ind...t-1121735.html

[Sissilonghair]

My hair conditions are good it feels soft and nice and very shiny.
The only thing I did not pay attention to,was the use of distilled water.

Gabriel and flapjack how do you apply the mix on your hair?Yesterday I did a big mess and I had a lot of dripping using a spritz bottle,I think next time I will use the cotton ball again

ktani ....there is a gel I make with linseeds,that is very slimy and I'd like to know if I can put it in the mix,of course when it is cold.