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    Default Re: Henna Thread, take two

    Khadi appears to be a good brand but you could always try a different brand. Are you coloring brown or black?

    Some peoples hair won't take henna. I don't know the science behind it or if it can be prevented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygy View Post
    Iím sort of conflicted about this. Box dye I canít even go near so itís always going to be henna or nothing. The earthy scent of the initial application of henna (henndigo, really) has grown on me, but I absolutely hate how the scent lingers for weeks on end and takes ages to wash out for me. And thatís the second problem: it actually washes out fully Ė not just the indigo, which is first to go, but the henna itself follows (visibly coming off while rinsing). So the lingering scent is probably caused by it not adhering to my hair very well. How is it so permanent for everyone else? I canít get it to stick to my hair

    Is this common? Is it my hair? Very dry. Is it the brand? Khadi. Wanting to cover my sprouting greys, but I would prefer not to come out of the shower smelling like hay
    I've definitely dealt with henna not staining properly on only some of my hair. For me it is dependent on the percentage of henna in the mix and how long I leave it on. I seem to get proper staining on my resistant sections with almost 100% henna left on at least 3 hours. Didn't stick well when I tried 2 hours once. These days I dye release at room temp for 8 hours. I also do a strong chelating and clarifying prior to henna. Some say you can use a bit of dawn dish soap to roughen up the cuticle.

    As far as the smell goes, I can't promise you'll learn to absolutely love it, but I certainly did. I tried a chemical temporary dye recently just for fun and the smell was so horrible. When I hennaed my hair again the other night, I just layed in bed after washing it out and basked in the hay smell, haha. I felt like my body was saying "Yes! That's the stuff!" Can't say I felt that way when I first started hennaing. Boyfriend doesn't seem to notice the smell unless he gets close enough, so I doubt you smell strongly to others. I only notice it when my hair is wet for the first couple days after applying. Doing a full head, it's obviously way stronger than roots only.

    Also, something I've learned recently is that the term "dry hair" is a bit of a misnomer for hair that is actually damaged, or perhaps just needs clarifying, chelating, conditioning, or all of the above. Apparently hair with more moisture, which literally just means more water, was rated by people as being the most "dry" feeling and looking. I can attest to that after spending a summer in the south of the US where the humidity was around 80%... It's funny that "dry" and "moisturized" became the defacto terminology, probably cemented into our shared consciousness by marketing. I think it's similar to how parabens and sulfates became demonized, and since demand creates supply, the popularity of sulfate- and paraben-free products seems to reinforce the misinformation... Anyways, all that to say that I'm curious what your hair routine is. Perhaps you have a lot of build up that is preventing henna from properly staining. Some people say it doesn't matter, and that may be true for them, but YMMV. In my case at least, all those variables matter greatly.

    Edit: also I find it helpful to shampoo really really well after henna to get it off the scalp. When I get henna rinsing off after applying on the second shampoo a couple days later (I shampoo with sulfates every other day), it's usually just henna coming off the scalp. I know that to be true because I can scratch my scalp and see a reddish brown build up under my nails. It never washes out after that. Do you shampoo after doing henna? Some people condition only, but conditioner is really not meant to be anywhere near the scalp...
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    Default Re: Henna Thread, take two

    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygy View Post
    Iím sort of conflicted about this. Box dye I canít even go near so itís always going to be henna or nothing. The earthy scent of the initial application of henna (henndigo, really) has grown on me, but I absolutely hate how the scent lingers for weeks on end and takes ages to wash out for me. And thatís the second problem: it actually washes out fully Ė not just the indigo, which is first to go, but the henna itself follows (visibly coming off while rinsing). So the lingering scent is probably caused by it not adhering to my hair very well. How is it so permanent for everyone else? I canít get it to stick to my hair

    Is this common? Is it my hair? Very dry. Is it the brand? Khadi. Wanting to cover my sprouting greys, but I would prefer not to come out of the shower smelling like hay
    Huh. I have encountered people whose hair doesn't "take" henna, although that seems to be pretty uncommon. The extended henna smell after application, though, is a new one for me. When you say the henna visibly comes off while rinsing, do you mean when initially washing the mud out, or when you get your hair wet in the coming days after hennaing?

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    Been almost a week since I hennaed - here's how it oxidized: https://imgur.com/a/ViZXUYP

    I love it! So glad I took the plunge and tried again with pure henna, especially after being burned by red raj. I think this is evidence that lawsone content really makes a big difference when you're not leaving henna on for 6+ hours. Wish I could find my post-oxidation red raj pics for comparison, but I deleted them all because they looked so bad to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    Khadi appears to be a good brand but you could always try a different brand. Are you coloring brown or black?

    Some peoples hair won't take henna. I don't know the science behind it or if it can be prevented.
    Brown. Three different shades so far, all from the same brand. Are these brown mixes inherently more finicky than pure henna or pure indigo (if this is the thread to be asking that)? If it's an individual thing, nothing to do but embrace the silvers. One whiff of regular chemical dyes and I'm out of commission.

    Quote Originally Posted by stardust lady View Post
    I've definitely dealt with henna not staining properly on only some of my hair. For me it is dependent on the percentage of henna in the mix and how long I leave it on. I seem to get proper staining on my resistant sections with almost 100% henna left on at least 3 hours. Didn't stick well when I tried 2 hours once. These days I dye release at room temp for 8 hours. I also do a strong chelating and clarifying prior to henna. Some say you can use a bit of dawn dish soap to roughen up the cuticle.
    Thanks for the detailed reply! Interesting information about dry hair as well. Maybe thereís no room in there for henna. The thing is, it stains properly and I achieve the desired shade, but it just starts coming off as soon as itís washed again. Wondering if water quality might have something to do with it now, if it's dissolving the henna somehow.

    Quote Originally Posted by stardust lady View Post
    As far as the smell goes, I can't promise you'll learn to absolutely love it, but I certainly did. I tried a chemical temporary dye recently just for fun and the smell was so horrible. When I hennaed my hair again the other night, I just layed in bed after washing it out and basked in the hay smell, haha. I felt like my body was saying "Yes! That's the stuff!" Can't say I felt that way when I first started hennaing. Boyfriend doesn't seem to notice the smell unless he gets close enough, so I doubt you smell strongly to others. I only notice it when my hair is wet for the first couple days after applying. Doing a full head, it's obviously way stronger than roots only.
    You know, now that you mention, smell aside, I noticed enhanced creativity after each application. No idea about the mechanism behind that, but itís definitely the stuff!

    Quote Originally Posted by stardust lady View Post
    Anyways, all that to say that I'm curious what your hair routine is.
    Itís been all over the place. You name it, Iíve tried it Ė generic shampoo, organic shampoo, sulphates, no sulphates, clarifying, shampoo bars (soap-based and syndet), Indian herbs, CO washing, WO washing, baking soda, ACV rinses, nettle rinses, lemon rinses, etc. All with varying success. SLS destroys my scalp but SCI (in shampoo bars) seems to be working at the moment. What my hair likes, my scalp hates, and vice versa, so Iím still working on a consistent routine. With all this in mind, buildup is also a real possibility. Other possibilities, from everything youíve said: pure henna is more likely to adhere, leaving it in longer will help (never tried beyond two hours), and dye release is important. I donít shampoo after the henndigo, no, so thatís one more thing to attempt.

    Quote Originally Posted by shelomit View Post
    Huh. I have encountered people whose hair doesn't "take" henna, although that seems to be pretty uncommon. The extended henna smell after application, though, is a new one for me. When you say the henna visibly comes off while rinsing, do you mean when initially washing the mud out, or when you get your hair wet in the coming days after hennaing?
    When I get my hair wet in the coming days and weeks after it, weirdly. This has happened each time, with each shade Iíve tried, even though Iíve rinsed extremely well and washed out all the mud. Need to work up the courage to try again when the smell won't be an issue. I will experiment when Iím in hermit mode at some point and report back. Thanks again for all your replies

    Quote Originally Posted by stardust lady View Post
    Been almost a week since I hennaed - here's how it oxidized: https://imgur.com/a/ViZXUYP
    Vibrant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygy View Post

    When I get my hair wet in the coming days and weeks after it, weirdly. This has happened each time, with each shade Iíve tried, even though Iíve rinsed extremely well and washed out all the mud. Need to work up the courage to try again when the smell won't be an issue. I will experiment when Iím in hermit mode at some point and report back. Thanks again for all your replies
    That's very odd. My initial assumption would have been that you didn't get all the mud out on the first rinse, but you do wash very thoroughly, I have no clue. People whom I've spoken with before who have henna-resistant hair get no dye effect from it, rather than a dye effect that fades/washes out quickly. Your hair sounds like a rare creature indeed. Sorry I'm not more help!

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    Does doing henna and indigo separately always give you a blue black toned result? I mean I want to do it, but I'm unsure if blue black would look good on me. I'm hoping for something a bit softer, like a jet black without all that bluish glow instead. How could I achieve that? My hair is naturally a level 1, but I've damaged it with bleach in 2020 and dying it often has left it in this weird drabby level 2 stage after throwing on a cheap black hair dye to cover the bleach highlighting job, 5-10% grays (been greying since I was 18 lol), and been growing it out since the beginning of 2020. I just want it to be a beautiful even dark color without looking too intense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygy View Post
    Itís been all over the place. You name it, Iíve tried it Ė generic shampoo, organic shampoo, sulphates, no sulphates, clarifying, shampoo bars (soap-based and syndet), Indian herbs, CO washing, WO washing, baking soda, ACV rinses, nettle rinses, lemon rinses, etc. All with varying success. SLS destroys my scalp but SCI (in shampoo bars) seems to be working at the moment. What my hair likes, my scalp hates, and vice versa, so Iím still working on a consistent routine. With all this in mind, buildup is also a real possibility. Other possibilities, from everything youíve said: pure henna is more likely to adhere, leaving it in longer will help (never tried beyond two hours), and dye release is important. I donít shampoo after the henndigo, no, so thatís one more thing to attempt.
    I could have written that, haha. Totally get it. And obviously it's hard to tell what the best routine is. For me, it is more frequent (after every sweaty workout, usually 5 days a week) shampoos with sodium lauryth sulfate (Paul Mitchell's Shampoo One specifically, and sometimes an exfoliating shampoo (salisylic acid like Neutrogena T-Sal) or clarifying (Paul Mitchell Shampoo 2 or 3). Also sometimes I shampoo after a scalp massage with non-comedogenic oil. Then I use a super rich conditioner (Paul Mitchell's The Detangler), and then squeeze dry with towel, cold blow-dry the roots and scrunch the length, no styling products. This has helped make it look about the best it can - it was basically a rats nest before I found LHC.

    But of course what works for you will probably be different, if you haven't already found it. I started shampooing more often at the advice of some derms, since I started losing a little bit of hair during my infrequent shampooing days. I began to prioritize scalp health over everything, since if your scalp is in bad shape, the hair can't grow well. Lots of derms say to wash your scalp as frequently as you would the rest of your body, and that makes sense to me, so long as I can keep the hair conditioned and use coconut oil pre-shampoo to offset the constant water swelling.

    Anyways that's enough of me defending my controversial shampooing routine. I agree that it's possible that build up and dye release and application duration could be affecting your stain. I'd really recommend testing on shed hair if you aren't sure. The way I like to think about it is that if you accidentally drop some henna on your hand for 5 seconds, it probably won't stain. If you leave it for 5 minutes, it will probably stain for a little while, maybe a few hours until you wash your hands once or twice and it goes away. If you leave it on 5 hours though? Might be stained for days! So I think duration really matters. At least it does for me.

    If none of that helps, maybe you are a rare soul for whom it just doesn't stain. I'd still think that roughing up the cuticle should help get the molecules in there though ..

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    Stardust lady, your hair came out great! What a beautiful shade of red.

    Good luck Syzygy. Maybe you could try a different brand of henna powder, perhaps the Khadi brand isn’t for you. For the smell, I add clove powder to my mix, and then rather than smelling like hay for days I smell like a hippy, which isn’t so bad


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jane99 View Post
    Stardust lady, your hair came out great! What a beautiful shade of red.

    Good luck Syzygy. Maybe you could try a different brand of henna powder, perhaps the Khadi brand isn’t for you. For the smell, I add clove powder to my mix, and then rather than smelling like hay for days I smell like a hippy, which isn’t so bad
    Thank you! I'm so happy I found the shade I was looking for. I had a picture saved on my phone of what I wanted and it's pretty darn close.

    Also duh! Didn't even consider that the brand of henna could be weak. Good idea!

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