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    Hi! I read this article that certain oils http://thebeautybrains.com/2007/05/1...ny-and-strong/ that certain carrier such as jojoba and sunflower oil do not penetrate the hair. Is this true? Thank you.

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    Yes, it is true, for those 2 oils, based on information I have read, elsewhere. Unfortunately, the Article quoted in the beatuybrains.com article, has the wrong reference. A couple of us here checked it out, and that reference is for a different Article. I even emailed beautybrains about it and never heard back from them.

    I think any oil can build-up if overused. It depends on what you want the oil to do.

    Here is some in formation on oil penetration of hair.

    1. An Article on moisture vapour. "Although treating the hair samples with oil reduced moisture pickup .... considerable amount of moisture vapor was still able to penetrate into hair fibers."

    2. Oils that penetrate hair. "Effect of mineral oil, sunflower oil, and coconut oil on prevention of hair damage."

    3. A post I wrote for the peroxide thread. "Oils and coatings"
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    Thank you ktani! I read everything but the first link, an error message popped up. I'm a bit confused why so many people and hair products use jojoba oil and shea butter/oil. What benefits do they provide if they are waxy and do no penetrate the hair? Also, are there any benefits to using sunflower and/or safflower oil? I have a deep treatment from a very reputable manufacturer whose main ingriedient is Carthame (safflower oil). I also have sunflower oil and a jug of safflower oil. Are they worth using? And, besides coconut, argan, olive, and avocado oil, do you know of any other oils that penetrate the hair shaft? Thank you so much for your help

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    Quote Originally Posted by CavyQueen View Post
    Thank you ktani! I read everything but the first link, an error message popped up. I'm a bit confused why so many people and hair products use jojoba oil and shea butter/oil. What benefits do they provide if they are waxy and do no penetrate the hair? Also, are there any benefits to using sunflower and/or safflower oil? I have a deep treatment from a very reputable manufacturer whose main ingriedient is Carthame (safflower oil). I also have sunflower oil and a jug of safflower oil. Are they worth using? And, besides coconut, argan, olive, and avocado oil, do you know of any other oils that penetrate the hair shaft? Thank you so much for your help
    Well, for one, they're useful for sealing in moisture. Oils can be used similarly to cones to protect and coat the hair shaft from damage, as well as moisturizing. Often times, people here choose to use them instead of cones because they're easier to cleanse out without SLS.

    Oils that penetrate can 'strengthen' (I assume, never actualy heard anything about this being proven xD) and often prevent protein loss (at least coconut can), but the other ones ARE still useful as well. The ones that penetrate just do a little extra, I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CavyQueen View Post
    Thank you ktani! I read everything but the first link, an error message popped up. I'm a bit confused why so many people and hair products use jojoba oil and shea butter/oil. What benefits do they provide if they are waxy and do no penetrate the hair? Also, are there any benefits to using sunflower and/or safflower oil? I have a deep treatment from a very reputable manufacturer whose main ingriedient is Carthame (safflower oil). I also have sunflower oil and a jug of safflower oil. Are they worth using? And, besides coconut, argan, olive, and avocado oil, do you know of any other oils that penetrate the hair shaft? Thank you so much for your help
    You are most welcome! and I forgot to welcome you to LHC!

    Sorry about that link. Some sites time out. Try this link, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17520153. It had timed out too but it should be ok now, I think.

    It as I said, depends on what you want the oil to do. For conditioning, avocado oil has been reported to be great! As a pre-treatment oil before conventional colouring and lightening processes, no, it cannot chelate free radicals the way coconut and argan oils can, which is the purpose of using them for that.

    The same goes for jojoba oil, and sunflower oil and shea butter. They can be great conditioning products, to smooth the hair and act as a moisture barrier, helping keep moisture in the hair and providing detangling, etc.

    Some oils and butters are lighter or heavier than others. Shea butter has been reported to be sticky on its own but lovely blended with conditioner and jojoba oil (Fox's shea butter recipe, going from memory only, on my part).

    Coconut oil is very special, in that it can help prevent protein loss but some people do not care for it as a conditioning oil for their hair. It depends on one's hair too. Lighter oils are better for finer hair. You can always use less of an oil or blend oils. Some people are allergic to some oils or do not care for the texture or how they smell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassEyes View Post
    Well, for one, they're useful for sealing in moisture. Oils can be used similarly to cones to protect and coat the hair shaft from damage, as well as moisturizing. Often times, people here choose to use them instead of cones because they're easier to cleanse out without SLS.

    Oils that penetrate can 'strengthen' (I assume, never actualy heard anything about this being proven xD) and often prevent protein loss (at least coconut can), but the other ones ARE still useful as well. The ones that penetrate just do a little extra, I think.
    I did not see your post until I was done my last one. Excellent points, in addition to the ones we both discussed, lol.

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    Hi ktani and GlassEyes! If I were to combine a moisture barrier/coating oil (such as sunflower oil) with a conditiong in oil (coconut oil) together in a treatment, would they counteract each other? Or, would they work well together? Also, I'm trying to figure out why coconut, olive, and argan oils penetrate the shaft and not others. Is it their high percentage of oleic acid rather than linoleic acid? Thank you both.

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    I seem to remember that one of the Neutrogena hair care lines advertised that it used three oils: olive, meadowfoam, and a third one (that I can't recall at the moment), with the idea that one of the oils penetrated to the core, one to a middle layer of the hair shaft, and one coated the surface. I haven't tried these products, and although they often get pretty good reviews, they are chock full of silicones, so I'm unsure whether the "three oils" thing works or simply is a marketing ploy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CavyQueen View Post
    Hi ktani and GlassEyes! If I were to combine a moisture barrier/coating oil (such as sunflower oil) with a conditiong in oil (coconut oil) together in a treatment, would they counteract each other? Or, would they work well together? Also, I'm trying to figure out why coconut, olive, and argan oils penetrate the shaft and not others. Is it their high percentage of oleic acid rather than linoleic acid? Thank you both.
    Yes, it is the oileic acid content and yes they can counteract each other to a degree. One (sunflower), depending on the amount used, would not allow coconut oil to penetrate the hair as much, as it would on its own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ll View Post
    I seem to remember that one of the Neutrogena hair care lines advertised that it used three oils: olive, meadowfoam, and a third one (that I can't recall at the moment), with the idea that one of the oils penetrated to the core, one to a middle layer of the hair shaft, and one coated the surface. I haven't tried these products, and although they often get pretty good reviews, they are chock full of silicones, so I'm unsure whether the "three oils" thing works or simply is a marketing ploy...
    Many companies claim many things for their products. How much of what they claim is accurate is debatable, IMO.

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