Waist | Hip

[Bat]

My friend feels the same too. I was talking earlier in this thread and she calls it a cult. She also says her salon refuses long hair unless they've been approved. Sometimes it is frustrating talking to her about hair. We have different view points of it.

I like how they call long hair a cult, yet do a cultish thing like discriminate against peoples decision for long hair can't everyone get along

[Vara La Fey]

My friend feels the same too. I was talking earlier in this thread and she calls it a cult. She also says her salon refuses long hair unless they've been approved. Sometimes it is frustrating talking to her about hair. We have different view points of it.

"Approved"? WTH?

I'm pretty sure that's how cults think: you can't interact with the "church" unless you've been approved by those in control.

[baanoo]

Is it ok if I chime in here though I'm not a "member" of this thread?

Every few years this exact set of upsets happen after someone gets a bad cut and lots of feelings get hurt. Yes, most of us have had bad experiences at the salon - hell, most people in general have had bad experiences at the salon! I am glad Ylva popped in for a KNIT reminder.

floridaorchid, I lingered in the waist-to-tbl thread for years because I kept taking off 4" out of every 6"! It ended up being a lot better for my hair in the long run though frustrating to see folks "graduate" while I was still wobbling around hip. I'm sorry you had so much more than you desired trimmed off - but you'll make it! And your hair will be that much further along in its healthy journey when it does.

[pisinoe]

Imagine calling others mediocre and then mention Sarah Ingle is an expert... 😂

Yikes.

[mochichichi]

It's waist + at most. But I hit waist almost a year ago. I made the mistake of going to a new salon to trim the ends and she took off four inches. Since then, it just feels like it hasn't grown. I know it's because I am watching it more, but it is frustrating at times.

Lost track of this, thanks to folks for getting back to it and the KNIT reminder. I'm past waist now, but aside from the weird "no you'll love it!" stuff with stylists, even with stylists I trust and liked, I realized around hip that I had been getting yearly trims and blindly trusting the amount that needed trimming. I've come to terms over the last year or so that without those yearly 3-4" trims I would probably be well on my way to knee by now. But my hemline is beautiful, I enjoy my hair and its health, and now I'm taking on learning to trim it myself to avoid the extraneous loss of growth in the future.

[floridaorchid]

Lost track of this, thanks to folks for getting back to it and the KNIT reminder. I'm past waist now, but aside from the weird "no you'll love it!" stuff with stylists, even with stylists I trust and liked, I realized around hip that I had been getting yearly trims and blindly trusting the amount that needed trimming. I've come to terms over the last year or so that without those yearly 3-4" trims I would probably be well on my way to knee by now. But my hemline is beautiful, I enjoy my hair and its health, and now I'm taking on learning to trim it myself to avoid the extraneous loss of growth in the future.

The only problem was is I religiously trim every three months, if it was less often I would get.
You have a blunt hemline right? I always love them!

[Vara La Fey]

....I kept taking off 4" out of every 6"! It ended up being a lot better for my hair in the long run though frustrating to see folks "graduate" while I was still wobbling around hip. I'm sorry you had so much more than you desired trimmed off - but you'll make it! And your hair will be that much further along in its healthy journey when it does.

I've come to terms over the last year or so that without those yearly 3-4" trims I would probably be well on my way to knee by now. But my hemline is beautiful, I enjoy my hair and its health, and now I'm taking on learning to trim it myself to avoid the extraneous loss of growth in the future.

I know YMMV, but seems to me you could just big-trim once and then mask and hair-care for the next 2-3 years. That's what I've done from SL to the WL+ you see in my pic, and I didn't even start with a big trim. My hair had decayed back to SL, and I didn't even trim the decay after that. I just stopped all the physical hair abuse, stopped sulfates and non-soluble cones, and started masking almost religiously. Most of which I learned from LHC.

Before that, I'd given up. I thought my anagen was the problem, and that with the alleged shortening of anagen with age, I'd never even reach MBL again. Surprise....

Imagine calling others mediocre and then mention Sarah Ingle is an expert... ��
Yikes.

Seems to me she is. She has hair to her hips, her videos generally make sense, and they tend to align with much of the wisdom from here. Did she give any specific bad advice we should be wary of?

[mochichichi]

The only problem was is I religiously trim every three months, if it was less often I would get.
You have a blunt hemline right? I always love them!

Ahhh, okay. I can definitely see how that would stall you for sure. A couple inches every 3 is the majority of your growth. Is your hair able to stand up to trimming less often? 6 months maybe? Around waist I was also trimming more, and it's also where I decided to lop off the bottom 6 inches or something where my layers used to be. I was stuck at waist for ages. And yes! My hemline is blunt. Now the primary purpose of me getting trims is to even it out so it lays flat-ish and isn't so lopsided.

I know YMMV, but seems to me you could just big-trim once and then mask and hair-care for the next 2-3 years. That's what I've done from SL to the WL+ you see in my pic, and I didn't even start with a big trim. My hair had decayed back to SL, and I didn't even trim the decay after that. I just stopped all the physical hair abuse, stopped sulfates and non-soluble cones, and started masking almost religiously. Most of which I learned from LHC.

Before that, I'd given up. I thought my anagen was the problem, and that with the alleged shortening of anagen with age, I'd never even reach MBL again. Surprise....

At a point, I think trimming is mostly personal preference. If your hair isn't prone to damage that would eat it up from the bottom, then trimming is mostly an aesthetic thing, but I could definitely see some of the more delicate haired folks needing to trim so they don't get splits the whole length up. Whether or not that's true for a particular person is something that needs to be experimented with.

[Vara La Fey]

At a point, I think trimming is mostly personal preference. If your hair isn't prone to damage that would eat it up from the bottom, then trimming is mostly an aesthetic thing, but I could definitely see some of the more delicate haired folks needing to trim so they don't get splits the whole length up. Whether or not that's true for a particular person is something that needs to be experimented with.

It's definitely personal preference, and YMMV. I'm one of the "delicate haired" people, and it's frustrating af to see breakage after only 2 weeks of missing my oil mask. But if my fragile hair can add lots of length without "health" trims, it seems that anyone should be able to. Esthetic trims are a whole other story, of course; I'm delaying mine until there's enough length to not set me back.

[dancedance]

Imagine calling others mediocre and then mention Sarah Ingle is an expert... ��

Yikes.

What is wrong with Sarah Ingle? She is a certified trichologist and very knowledgeable. It's quite rare for anyone on social media to scientifically deconstruct hair "common sense" to counteract misinformation, in fact the only other social media influencer I know of who does anything of the sort is Lab Muffin Beauty Science. Most everyone else seems content to uphold ideas that are widely appealing, usually because they feel wholesome and natural, even when they are not supported scientifically.