Waist | Hip

[floridaorchid]

Judging from your album pic from 5 days ago, it looks longer too. Looks definitely waist+ and maybe even hip.

It's waist + at most. But I hit waist almost a year ago. I made the mistake of going to a new salon to trim the ends and she took off four inches. Since then, it just feels like it hasn't grown. I know it's because I am watching it more, but it is frustrating at times.

[Vara La Fey]

It's waist + at most. But I hit waist almost a year ago. I made the mistake of going to a new salon to trim the ends and she took off four inches. Since then, it just feels like it hasn't grown. I know it's because I am watching it more, but it is frustrating at times.

Most stylists are sociopaths! 'If a customer doesn't see a big pile of hair on the floor, they won't feel they got their money's worth.' Bull!!! And what other business can routinely violate customers' trust and expect to get away with it? You're better off avoiding all stylists you don't already trust, or at least trying to find one who has hair like the hair you want. Then let them know if they take off more than whatever you ask you, you will walk out without paying them. That's how I will play it in a year or two when I need a shaping trim that I can't do on my own.

Re growing, fwiw I suggest to brush your hair over something sufficiently opposite of your hair color so you can clearly see any broken pieces. If you see more than 2-3, then oil masking overnight weekly should help.

[GordonMurphella]

Most stylists are sociopaths! 'If a customer doesn't see a big pile of hair on the floor, they won't feel they got their money's worth.' Bull!!! And what other business can routinely violate customers' trust and expect to get away with it? You're better off avoiding all stylists you don't already trust, or at least trying to find one who has hair like the hair you want. Then let them know if they take off more than whatever you ask you, you will walk out without paying them. That's how I will play it in a year or two when I need a shaping trim that I can't do on my own.

Oh this is SO not true, and so unfair. Personal experience with a stylist or two, ok, but please. Pluswhich, it's just kind of ... nasty.

[Bat]

I'm a newly graduated psychopath!
Jokes aside I was forever being told off for not cutting enough off

[floridaorchid]

Most stylists are sociopaths! 'If a customer doesn't see a big pile of hair on the floor, they won't feel they got their money's worth.' Bull!!! And what other business can routinely violate customers' trust and expect to get away with it? You're better off avoiding all stylists you don't already trust, or at least trying to find one who has hair like the hair you want. Then let them know if they take off more than whatever you ask you, you will walk out without paying them. That's how I will play it in a year or two when I need a shaping trim that I can't do on my own.

Re growing, fwiw I suggest to brush your hair over something sufficiently opposite of your hair color so you can clearly see any broken pieces. If you see more than 2-3, then oil masking overnight weekly should help.

As much as I want to disagree (my friend is a stylist), she constantly calls long hair a cult and is wanting to give mine a chop. Love her, but man stylists just love to hate on long hair.

[Vara La Fey]

Oh this is SO not true, and so unfair. Personal experience with a stylist or two, ok, but please. Pluswhich, it's just kind of ... nasty.

No. I told the truth and I'm going to quintuple-down on it.

1. "Personal experience with a stylist or two"?? In fact, this over-cutting scenario keeps coming up over and over again with users on here. In my own experience it has been the rule almost without exception. It has been going on since the mid-80s at least. And since I decided to ignore all "advice" I've ever received from stylists, and replaced it with my own research and with the advice from LHCers, my hair is longer, healthier and looks better than it ever has in my life.

2. I was wrong to say that "most" stylists are sociopaths, because much more accurately most stylists are trained to follow a sociopathic sales plan, and for whatever reason they do it with gusto.
a) They sabotage their customers' explicit wishes and overall trust just to make more money for the salon - and if that's not sociopathic, you tell us what is.
b) I have been told, and I believe it, that they are trained to over-cut "so that the customer feels they got their money's worth" - if this is false, then you tell us why they consistently do overcut.
c) They routinely violate reality by hard-selling their customers into constant and completely unnecessary 6-week trims where they will continue to over-cut - if this isn't sociopathic, then you tell us why we need that trimming schedule.
d) They try to sell customers only on products whose sole defining characteristic is that their bosses made business deals with the distributors - if that isn't sociopathic sales tactic, then tell us why it isn't.
And I ask again: what other business can routinely violate customers' trust in so many ways and expect to get away with it?

3. Most stylists are under-trained and thus ignorant - if you want to glaze their eyes over, mention anagen, telegen or exogen. Even when I was keeping my hair short, I literally used to ask stylists anagen questions just for entertainment. All such ignorant stylists do not care to educate themselves beyond the minimum training required to get their license, and clearly much or most of their training is on sales rather than on hair. Wanna test this? See how many can pitch you on the latest Nexxus or Aveda crap their bosses sell, versus how many can tell you what a volatile or a water-soluble silicone is. I wonder how many keep an ingredients list on their phones so they can look up such things when asked.

4. Stylists are self-proclaimed hair "professionals", but the actual experts are here on LHC and/or are social media influencers like Sarah Ingle. These are experts with hair down to their knees, experts who routinely have no-trim challenges and who normally trim maybe twice a year without the challenges. They are experts who read science papers and educate themselves _without_ being paid for it. And they're experts who in general seem to follow little if any "advice" meted out by stylists. Poll them about this if you want.

5. On the very rare occasions someone finds a stylist who is competent and honest, keep going to that person. But I repeat that in the vast majority of cases you're better off avoiding all stylists you don't already trust. And I repeat this as well: if you need a stylist for a trim you can't DIY, try to find one who has hair like the hair you want. Then let them know if they take off more than whatever you ask, you will walk out without paying them. That's how I will play it in a year or two when I need a shaping trim that I can't do on my own.

I don't know who you are, you posted zero pictures of your own hair, and you said zero things to disprove anything I said (but you complained nonetheless), and so your credibility with me is literally zero. Of course most LHCers know better than to pay attention to stylists when it comes to length and health, but there are always a few who don't. Example: the LHCer who just complained about a four inch "trimming of the ends"!! THAT'S what is "kind of ... nasty".

Stylists are generally good for coloring and highlighting, and they're good for helping customers choose and maintain a short/medium length style. Those are important things to many people, and no question they're the bread and butter of salons everywhere. But these things do not invalidate what I've said in any way, shape or form.

Rant over, but rant mode on standby....

[Vara La Fey]

As much as I want to disagree (my friend is a stylist), she constantly calls long hair a cult and is wanting to give mine a chop. Love her, but man stylists just love to hate on long hair.

She actually calls it a "cult"?? It's not longhairs who use appeals to knowledge-authority to trick people into growing their hair, it's stylists who use appeals to knowledge-authority try to trick people into paying them money to cut it. If either side is a cult, which side would it be?

Stylists could, if they were at all thoughtful, make money off us longhairs. They could learn the stuff that's commonly known here at LHC, advise customers on that, and do honest S&D and honest trims and even do our hair pix for us. They could become worthy of the trust inherent in their position. And they wouldn't lose anything! They'd still have a vast majority of customers who don't have their own ideas coming in and saying, "I dunno, just give me something short and stylish".

But they're too cultish to think of that.

[Vara La Fey]

I'm a newly graduated psychopath!
Jokes aside I was forever being told off for not cutting enough off

Wow. Well, most stylists are a freaking scam.

And it really doesn't have to be that way, but it is.

[mochichichi]

I would guess I've seen somewhere around 15 different stylists. The vast, vast majority of them tried to convince me that I wanted something I specifically said I didn't want (layers, bangs, face framing sections) or tried to convince me to chop off my hair. I have had more than one stylist insist that I would love it if they gave me a pixie cut. A pixie!!

The one I always think of told me that it would change my life. I think I was at waist length at the time. She even tried to tell me that since I wear my hair up most days (for work) there was no reason to grow my hair long if I'm going to wear it up anyways and that I would admit she was right and short hair is better in all ways. I think I had been growing for some five years or so at this point.

Many of the stylists, the majority, have told me that my hair is stale, and that I "need" something short and fresh to change things up. This is not a "one or two" issue, this is something I have personally encountered at multiple salons with at least ten different stylists.

Most of the ones that didn't try to push me into a big chop have taken off 3-4" of "dead ends" when I asked for a trim. I've lost as much as 6" in a "trim." I think I would notice if the bottom six inches of my hair were in that bad shape.

[GordonMurphella]

No. I told the truth and I'm going to quintuple-down on it.

1. "Personal experience with a stylist or two"?? In fact, this over-cutting scenario keeps coming up over and over again with users on here. In my own experience it has been the rule almost without exception. It has been going on since the mid-80s at least. And since I decided to ignore all "advice" I've ever received from stylists, and replaced it with my own research and with the advice from LHCers, my hair is longer, healthier and looks better than it ever has in my life.

2. I was wrong to say that "most" stylists are sociopaths, because much more accurately most stylists are trained to follow a sociopathic sales plan, and for whatever reason they do it with gusto.
a) They sabotage their customers' explicit wishes and overall trust just to make more money for the salon - and if that's not sociopathic, you tell us what is.
b) I have been told, and I believe it, that they are trained to over-cut "so that the customer feels they got their money's worth" - if this is false, then you tell us why they consistently do overcut.
c) They routinely violate reality by hard-selling their customers into constant and completely unnecessary 6-week trims where they will continue to over-cut - if this isn't sociopathic, then you tell us why we need that trimming schedule.
d) They try to sell customers only on products whose sole defining characteristic is that their bosses made business deals with the distributors - if that isn't sociopathic sales tactic, then tell us why it isn't.
And I ask again: what other business can routinely violate customers' trust in so many ways and expect to get away with it?

3. Most stylists are under-trained and thus ignorant - if you want to glaze their eyes over, mention anagen, telegen or exogen. Even when I was keeping my hair short, I literally used to ask stylists anagen questions just for entertainment. All such ignorant stylists do not care to educate themselves beyond the minimum training required to get their license, and clearly much or most of their training is on sales rather than on hair. Wanna test this? See how many can pitch you on the latest Nexxus or Aveda crap their bosses sell, versus how many can tell you what a volatile or a water-soluble silicone is. I wonder how many keep an ingredients list on their phones so they can look up such things when asked.

4. Stylists are self-proclaimed hair "professionals", but the actual experts are here on LHC and/or are social media influencers like Sarah Ingle. These are experts with hair down to their knees, experts who routinely have no-trim challenges and who normally trim maybe twice a year without the challenges. They are experts who read science papers and educate themselves _without_ being paid for it. And they're experts who in general seem to follow little if any "advice" meted out by stylists. Poll them about this if you want.

5. On the very rare occasions someone finds a stylist who is competent and honest, keep going to that person. But I repeat that in the vast majority of cases you're better off avoiding all stylists you don't already trust. And I repeat this as well: if you need a stylist for a trim you can't DIY, try to find one who has hair like the hair you want. Then let them know if they take off more than whatever you ask, you will walk out without paying them. That's how I will play it in a year or two when I need a shaping trim that I can't do on my own.

I don't know who you are, you posted zero pictures of your own hair, and you said zero things to disprove anything I said (but you complained nonetheless), and so your credibility with me is literally zero. Of course most LHCers know better than to pay attention to stylists when it comes to length and health, but there are always a few who don't. Example: the LHCer who just complained about a four inch "trimming of the ends"!! THAT'S what is "kind of ... nasty".

Stylists are generally good for coloring and highlighting, and they're good for helping customers choose and maintain a short/medium length style. Those are important things to many people, and no question they're the bread and butter of salons everywhere. But these things do not invalidate what I've said in any way, shape or form.

Rant over, but rant mode on standby....

Wow. Just .... wow. You seem to be a very angry person. Thanks for the personal attack, too, by the way. I feel sorry for you.