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    Default Re: Water soluble silicones?

    Most silicones in typical cosmetic products are water soluble anyways. The other ingredients formulated with them typically all go into the effectiveness of how they perform on your hair. There’s too many cones to list, but maybe just try finding one that you like? You don’t have to go all out, just try one that catches your eye and see how you like it for however long.
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    Default Re: Water soluble silicones?

    Quote Originally Posted by AutobotsAttack View Post
    Most silicones in typical cosmetic products are water soluble anyways. The other ingredients formulated with them typically all go into the effectiveness of how they perform on your hair. There’s too many cones to list, but maybe just try finding one that you like? You don’t have to go all out, just try one that catches your eye and see how you like it for however long.
    That's kind of technically correct, but in this context the solubility refers to how the silicone behaves once it's on the hair. Maybe for precision we should say 'water-rinsable' see the notes next to the headings in this post: http://science-yhairblog.blogspot.co...lity-list.html

    [I did initially intend to say "it refers to how the silicone acts when bonded with the hair. Silicones are polar molecules and more strongly attracted to damaged areas of the hair because those are more charged. Water-soluble silicones are ones that should have that bond disrupted by water alone, whereas the others need a surfactant to wash them off, and almost always require a more effective surfactant than the fatty alcohols usually found at the top of the ingredients lists on conditioners".
    HOWEVER I'm second-guessing myself on the bonds disrupting bit, and I'm not sure why I might make that up but I've just about used up all my brainpower this evening ]

    Of course the formulation of the rest of every product will indeed affect exactly how the silicones behave and how the product works with one's individual hair chemistry - just like any other type of ingredient
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    Quote Originally Posted by MusicalSpoons View Post
    It contains several amino acids, which are apparently good for helping retain moisture. It has helped with repeated use, but best with sustained use - my hair would feel great with it and would happily go longer between washes if my scalp hadn't needed a thorough cleansing each week(ish). After several washes not using it I am starting to feel the difference. [It also rinses *really* well, which surprised me as I thought it would be heavier than it turned out to be!]
    Thank you! I might give it a try

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    Quote Originally Posted by MusicalSpoons View Post
    That's kind of technically correct, but in this context the solubility refers to how the silicone behaves once it's on the hair. Maybe for precision we should say 'water-rinsable' see the notes next to the headings in this post: http://science-yhairblog.blogspot.co...lity-list.html

    [I did initially intend to say "it refers to how the silicone acts when bonded with the hair. Silicones are polar molecules and more strongly attracted to damaged areas of the hair because those are more charged. Water-soluble silicones are ones that should have that bond disrupted by water alone, whereas the others need a surfactant to wash them off, and almost always require a more effective surfactant than the fatty alcohols usually found at the top of the ingredients lists on conditioners".
    HOWEVER I'm second-guessing myself on the bonds disrupting bit, and I'm not sure why I might make that up but I've just about used up all my brainpower this evening ]

    Of course the formulation of the rest of every product will indeed affect exactly how the silicones behave and how the product works with one's individual hair chemistry - just like any other type of ingredient
    I was under the assumption we were talking about cones mostly found in conditioners. Most formulated with water as the first ingredient are soluble from the get go. I believe. Hence my statement of saying most products concerning shampoo and conditioner are. Im under the impression we are talking about the PEGs more so than the actual silicones and dimethicones we all know.

    Guess I too could’ve been more specific. I personally love silicones, especially the water soluble ones, because they allow me to really pack in the moisture and they play friendly with other products I have. I guess it’s because I separate the cones used for sealing from the ones used in moisturizing products rather strictly. I suppose leave ins could be factored in as well as a suggestion?
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    Thank you for all the replies I will look in to them,by using the 97% natural hair shampoo and conditioner my hair got worse and worse I know they say it can detox but I tried it for many weeks with no improvements, I will look in to faith in nature , I’m also getting a lot of hair loss we’ll shedding especially when I wash it and throughout the day my hair is everywhere really beginning to depress me, it has a white bulb at end so I know it’s not breakage, Just wish they made a noticed product to help ��

    Slightly of topic but does anyone know if diet can affect hair with dryness and hair loss ? As in not eating much like once a day as I am trying to overcome a eating disorder I’ve had for many years

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    Mandy, do you think its alot more hair shedding than usual or could you just be paying attention to it more lately? You could try to keep your hair contained for the whole day and collect the sheds to see exactly how much you lose. If you think this will add stress then disregard my comment. They say 100 hairs is normal but I feel like it's just an average and maybe people have their own average rate. I believe normal for me is about 50, so when I was losing well over 100 a day after having my youngest child I knew that was a pretty heavy rate for my personally.

    Washing and manipulating your hair will be the time when most of those sheds will escape, they are falling g throughout the day but you are physical removing them when washing and brushing.

    I believe 100% yes that not eating enough and giving your body the nutrients it need will effect hair. I have heard of shedding from eating disorders in particular. Are you speaking with a doctor about your diet? I would reach out to one for some advice on how many calories your body needs, or if a supplement or multivitamin would be appropriate. I am sorry you have to go through the demon of eating disorders but glad you are overcoming it, I am proud of you, it is not easy feat.

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    Default Re: Water soluble silicones?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mandymandymandy View Post
    Thank you for all the replies I will look in to them,by using the 97% natural hair shampoo and conditioner my hair got worse and worse I know they say it can detox but I tried it for many weeks with no improvements, I will look in to faith in nature , I’m also getting a lot of hair loss we’ll shedding especially when I wash it and throughout the day my hair is everywhere really beginning to depress me, it has a white bulb at end so I know it’s not breakage, Just wish they made a noticed product to help ��

    Slightly of topic but does anyone know if diet can affect hair with dryness and hair loss ? As in not eating much like once a day as I am trying to overcome a eating disorder I’ve had for many years
    I’ve used various Noughty shampoos and conditioners and some of them aren’t very moisturising but others are much better. I don’t suppose you want to try another though ispf you’ve had a bad experience with one. Just for reference though, I find the Shine range more nourishing than the Pumped Up (didn’t like that one at all). I use the Wave Hello range most of the time, it reduces frizz more than the others but I do need to use leave in and/or curl cream as well to get enough moisture.

    What you’re eating/not eating will certainly affect your hair. I’ve been where you are, it took me a long time but I started with eating regularly, even if it was one bite of something at each meal time (and usually on my own) but having just something, regularly, helped me because it helped my blood sugar. One bite one day might lead to two bites another day, and it got better from there. It was a step towards making my relationship with food more normal.

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    ndy, do you think its alot more hair shedding than usual or could you just be paying attention to it more lately? You could try to keep your hair contained for the whole day and collect the sheds to see exactly how much you lose. If you think this will add stress then disregard my comment. They say 100 hairs is normal but I feel like it's just an average and maybe people have their own average rate. I believe normal for me is about 50, so when I was losing well over 100 a day after having my youngest child I knew that was a pretty heavy rate for my personally.

    Washing and manipulating your hair will be the time when most of those sheds will escape, they are falling g throughout the day but you are physical removing them when washing and brushing.

    I believe 100% yes that not eating enough and giving your body the nutrients it need will effect hair. I have heard of shedding from eating disorders in particular. Are you speaking with a doctor about your diet? I would reach out to one for some advice on how many calories your body needs, or if a supplement or multivitamin would be appropriate. I am sorry you have to go through the demon of eating disorders but glad you are overcoming it, I am proud of you, it is not easy feat.[/QUOTE]



    I have had shedding a lot for a while it did ease a tiny bit for about 3 weeks and starting again it’s been like this a long time over the course of 2 years I’ve lost around 35% of my hair maby more, that’s why I’m wondering could it be a vitamin deficiency?
    Plus the hair that’s growing on the top is very dry and sparse and could looking it’s like a burillo pad , I’m devistated and I have seen a dermatologist he said it’s dry hair and no other help

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