Re: Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC
MadHatterOriginally Posted by MadHatter
I just found it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_osmosis
I think that you should try to find distilled or deionized - or you could try your tap water first.
Distilled water should not be that difficult to find.
A list is of American retailers but the kinds of vendor sources for distilled water should be similar everywhere.
http://www.hardforum.com/archive/ind...t-1121735.html
Last edited by ktani; August 10th, 2008 at 07:59 PM. Reason: added link and text
Re: Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC
My hair is still wet, so I can't tell much.
But I could tell that my hair dried some even under a plastic bag. I read somewhere here that a shower cap is better. Is it really? I don't see how it would be, but if it's worked better for others, I won't argue.
Re: Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC
I am getting discouraged. I had read that tap water wasn't good...we live in the country so it would be well water but I didn't use that....I used some water that I buy for making baby bottles and it is spring water (I just checked). The first time I put my hair in a shower cap and then a towel over that and today I only put a towel over my hair. So is it my water, etc.? I am confused. Is there a way you could do some type of mix of just honey and conditioner for moisturizing the hair that might also lighten it if left on for a long time??? Any advice or tips is appreciated.
Re: Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC
MadHatter
It is less critical that the hair be kept completely wet under the plastic, if you let the treatment sit for 1 hour in advance of the application because the honey would have produced its maximum amout of peroxide in that first hour.
But it is advisable to keep it fairly wet IMO.
People keep reporting hair drying under the plastic. That means that the plastic was not secure enough.
No, a shower cap is not necessarily better.
It depends on whether you let the treatment sit for the hour before application. If you want to use it right away, try using a bathing cap.
Also, apply extra treatment to the areas that you feel dried, before covering the hair next time.
Please update on your results.
Last edited by ktani; August 11th, 2008 at 06:26 AM.
Re: Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC
plainjanegirl
I do not recommend tap water but there are exceptions, very few IMO, it depends on the tap water.
That is why I recommend distilled water.
Spring water contains minerals, well water would too even more so. Distilled or deionized water does not.
I do not recommend conditioner for honey lightening. It has not been reported to be reliable for honey lightening and can contain ingredients that interfere with honey lightening.
I suggest that you buy a different honey if after you try distilled water, you are still having problems.
As for method, you do not need to put a towel over the plastic, the towel can go around your neck to catch drips.
Buy putting just a towel on your hair this time, in addition to the spring water, the towel would have absorbed the treatment and your hair would have gotten dry and the treatment would have dried in the towel.
I suggest that you use a bathing cap over the treatment.
Last edited by ktani; October 16th, 2008 at 06:22 AM. Reason: spelling
Re: Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC
When honey and the correct 4 to 1 dilution is used with distilled water, is left to sit at room temperture for 1 hour in advance of application, the honey will produce its maximum peroxide level.
For honey lightening the level depends on the honey. Some honeys produce very little peroxide. That is why I prepared the Successful Honeys List. http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ount=856itamin
If one cannot be found - try a dark coloured honey blend - raw or pasteurized - both have been reported to work equally well. Dark coloured blends were reported in research, to have higher peroxide levels than lighter coloured blends. A dark coloured, single source honey, does not necessarily have a high peroxide value - it depends on the plant source.
I did not know how critical it would be to keep the hair wet with this method, under plastic, but it appears from reports, that the hair still needs to be kept mostly wet.
If a treatment is applied to the hair right away, it needs to be kept very wet, in order for the honey to keep producing peroxide for the hour it is on the hair. A bathing cap (swimming cap) is the best way to ensure that, IMO.
The water used is very important, IMO. It needs to be mineral free. Distilled water and deionized water are mineral free, spring water is not.
Most tap water is unsuitable. There are excetions but the only tap water that has been reported to be excellent is kokuryu's so far. She lives in Poland.
Conditioner is not recommended for honey lightening. It has been reported to be unreliable and can contain ingredients that interfere with honey lightening, as well as not enough water to properly dilute honey.
The hair does not need to be covered with a towel over plastic and a towel should not be used instead of plastic. It will absorb the treatment, drying the hair and making the whole process a waste of time, IMO. Body heat is not critical to successful honey lightening. Heat is not recommended for honey lightening. Body heat does not negatively affect honey lightening though - that is the difference.
Last edited by ktani; August 11th, 2008 at 07:39 AM. Reason: adjust text
Re: Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC
Jarrah honey - highly recommended - it has a very high peroxide value. More information and suppliers can be found here.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1266
Alley Cat - more on the condition of her hair following her 9th honey lightening treatment - with Jarrah honey, which has a very high peroxide value (Jarrah honey was not used for all of the treatments)
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1596
Alley Cat 1st Jarrah honey report
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1562
Last edited by ktani; August 11th, 2008 at 09:33 AM. Reason: added link and text
Re: Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC
Thanks for the pm's Ktani!
I went to bed before my hair dried last night, so I didn't get a good look until today.
There wasn't any immediately noticeable change. But as I looked, I realized that my hair is a tad bit brighter. It used to be that under my bathroom light, the color wasn't obviously red (it appeared more of a dark brown with a red cast). Now, it's actually noticeable.
Aside from that, my hair is shiny and really soft.
I'm not actually considering this, I'm just wondering, but what do you think would happen if one were to throw in a bit of that store bought hydrogen peroxide?
Re: Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC
MadHatter
I am glad to read that you got some lightening and that the condition of your hair is good.
I would give the correct honey lightening recipe, method and ingredients a try first.
You can always use conventional peroxide at another time.
Honey lightening has not been reported to cause hair damage.
Conventional hydrogen peroxide has been reported to do so.
Honey and the honey lightening boosters, naturally contain constituents, that have been clinically shown to be protective against hydrogen peroxide damage, which IMO, supports the fact that honey lightening has not been reported to damage hair. http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1035
If you add conventional peroxide to the mix, it gets into percentages. How much extra peroxide do you add, that at 10 volumn peroxide, is about 1000 times stronger than the hydrogen peroxide honey produces, which is more than the boosters produce? Would the amount of those constituents in a recipe still be enough to offset the new, total recipe peroxide value? At what point would they not be enough? I am not saying that it is not possible, but I think that it would get very tricky indeed.
Honey lightening has been reported to work very well on its own, without any reported damage, and the gamble of damage to hair, that conventional peroxide would add, IMO.
Last edited by ktani; August 11th, 2008 at 03:39 PM. Reason: clarification
Re: Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC
Shortened version of the newest honey lightening recommendations, which have been reported to be working out very well. This is all in the recommendations post in my signature.
Patch test any of the ingredients not previously used on scalp or skin.
1. Choose a honey - the Successful Honeys List
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ount=856itamin
"If one cannot be found - try a dark coloured honey blend - raw or pasteurized - both have been reported to work equally well. Dark coloured blends were reported in research, to have higher peroxide levels than lighter coloured blends. A dark coloured, single source honey, does not necessarily have a high peroxide value - it depends on the plant source."
Jarrah honey - highly recommended - it has a very high peroxide value. More information and suppliers can be found here.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1266
Some honeys naturally contain higher levels of Vitamin C. Avoid using Anzer, buckwheat, linden flower, locust flower, mint and thyme honeys.
2. Use distilled water only. It contains no minerals. Minerals can deplete the recipe peroxide (so can Vitamin C, see #5). Conditioner is no longer recommended for honey lightening. Its ingredients and lack of water content can interfere with results. The same applies to coconut cream and milk (they contain minerals and can contain Vitamin C, as well as not enough water).
3. Use the 4 to 1 dilution (it is based on 4 x the amount of water to honey by weight) - e.g. 1/8 cup honey needs 3/4 cup distilled water, 50 g honey needs 200 ml distilled water etc.
http://www.traditionaloven.com/conve...surements.html
4. Do not apply heat to any of the recipe ingredients at any time, except herbal tea if used, that is cooled to room temperature before adding any other ingredients. Peroxide containing boosters are ground cardamom, ground cinnamon, extra virgin olive oil and coconut oil.
5. Do not add lemon juice, or any other ingredient that contains Vitamin C to a recipe, like tomato products, which are no longer recommended. Hydrogen peroxide oxidizes Vitamin C, and is depleted in doing so.
6. Mix the treatment at room temperature and let it sit for 1 hour, also at room temperature, to allow the honey to produce its maximum peroxide value.
7. Apply the treatment to dry hair if there is no aloe gel on it - aloe gel contains Vitamin C, or an unrinsed out rinse with Vitamin C, heavy residue, or a large amount of oil on the hair (a large amount of oil will act as a barrier to the water). If there is, wash the hair first then dry it to slightly damp. You will get less drips on dry hair. The treatment can be applied with a tint, blush, or pastry brush or a squirt bottle.
8. Pin up, then cover the hair with plastic, to keep it out of the way and contain drips. Leave the treatment on the hair for about 1 hour.
Last edited by ktani; August 17th, 2008 at 05:48 AM. Reason: clarification
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