Reply With QuoteThank you!Originally Posted by Alley Cat
Jan in ID your before and after pictures are amazing well done.
Thank you so much for all this info! I'm doing a treatment tonight with Wildflower Honey. It is a darker honey. I will take pics.
Growing to BSL - currently at APL
Thank you!Jan in ID your before and after pictures are amazing well done.
Honey thread
Jan in ID
Thank you for the fast reply.
I am glad that the condition of your hair is so good - that is consistent with other reports - no one has reported any hair damage from honey lightening - just dry hair and ends occasionally.
I want to add your type of honey to the Successful Honeys list when you can find out what it is.
I mentioned the CV shampoo bars darkening lynnala's hair so that you could be aware of the possibility.
You may get even better results without them.
I know many here love the bars and I have nothing against them - I just note things as they come up.
It took a bit of investigating to figure out what was causing the darkening for lynnala - it was cumulative.
Last edited by ktani; June 21st, 2008 at 06:56 PM. Reason: clarification
Honey thread
Robinlyn
You are most welcome.
Wildflower honey is on the Successful Honeys List - good luck!
I look forward to your results.
Last edited by ktani; June 21st, 2008 at 06:50 PM. Reason: added text
Honey thread
Notes on castor oil and darkening hair
Castor oil darkening hair - research from this thread
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=83462&postcount=431
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=83508&postcount=435
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=84377&postcount=440
lynnala on CV shampoo bars darkening her hair
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1047
and
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1050
From Ida’s website - the amount of castor oil in shampoo bars vs soap bars
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=84607&postcount=441
flapjack on castor oil darkening hair - links from another thread
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=124839&postcount=19
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=125850&postcount=21
Last edited by ktani; June 21st, 2008 at 09:21 PM. Reason: spelling
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The updated Pictures Post
OK, here are a couple of pictures...
This is my hair on 04/20/08, when I first decided to let my hair grow out.
This is my natural virgin hair.
This one is from today, 06/21/08, after 2 honey treatments.
My hair definately appers to be lighter.
And wow, I can really see a difference in growth!
This is the first comparison pic I have taken!
I have another treatment (my 3rd) on my hair as I type this.
My recipe is:
1 cup distilled water
1/4 cup raw honey
1 tbs evoo
1 tbs coconut oil
2 tbs cinnamon powder (I will probably cut this back to 1 tbs because it clumps so bad)
I bought a squirt bottle yesterday and it works well. My DH puts it in my hair for me.
I leave it on for a couple of hours, sometimes more.
I have to lather and rinse several times (I use CV shampoo bars), and my hair is still greasy looking when it drys. I just leave it and wash again like normal the next day and it is fine. My hair is soft and shiny!
I have been doing this once a week for the last 3 weeks.
I will try to post a pic tomorrow of the results of todays treatment.
Wow! You got some really great lightening results. When you say your dh uses the mister on your hair....do you mist it and leave it down or you soak it and put it up and wrap it? What do the oils do to the mix? Is cinnamon powder and cinnamon extract (like you cook with) the same or similar?
Honey thread
Ground cinnamon has a high peroxide value for a spice (not as high as that of ground cardamom) and has been reported in this thread to work very well with honey for lightening on all hair types - virgin, colour-treated, hennaed and henndigoed. It is an irritant though. That comes from its oil content - and cinnamic aldehyde not hydrogen peroxide.
Cinnamon oil is a powerful irritant - has no peroxide value that I know of and I do not recommend using it in pure form.
"Opinion concerning a review on the safety of perfumery materials
Restriction and condition
Cassia oil Cinnamon bark oil
prime allergen is Cinnamic aldehyde .... concentration of Cinnamic aldehyde in .... finished cosmetic product should not exceed 0.1%."
http://ec.europa.eu/health/ph_risk/c.../out150_en.pdf
"Science Findings
Cinnamaldehyde (cinnamic aldehyde) is .... main component in cassia oil as well as cinnamon bark oil .... Cinnamon oil .... contains 70% to 90% cinnamaldehyde ...."
http://www.epa.gov/opp00001/biopesti...eet_040506.htm
"Cinnamon contact dermatitis .... considered as irritant contact dermatitis .... allergic reaction would only occur during prolonged exposure to the irritant."
http://www.statssheet.com/articles/article74165.html
Cinnamon caution
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=2382
The oils mentioned in the recipe (coconut and evoo) do have peroxide values - they boost the peroxide level of the honey lightening recipe and are known hair conditioning oils as well. Extra virgin olive oil has the highest peroxide level of most oils.
The peroxide levels of the honey lightening boosters though are not as high as the peroxide levels of most honeys, and have not been reported to lighten hair much on their own.
Ground cinnamon has been reported to lighten hair, in another thread, when used continuously, over a long period of time.
Cinnamon extact is very different to ground cinnamon - I do not recommend cinnamon extract. It is a flavouring - prepared with alcohol and water.
"Pure Cinnamon Extract Ingredients: oil of cinnamon, alcohol, and water."
http://www.cooksvanilla.com/product_...n_Extract.html
".... Pure Cinnamon Extract .... propylene glycol, alcohol, water and extractives of cinnamon. Like most of our extracts .... flavors ...."
http://www.silvercloudestates.com/vi...ct.aspx?id=191
Cinnamon extract ingredients
"PROPYLENE GLYCOL, ALCOHOL(40%), WATER, AND EXTRACTIVES OF CINNAMON."
http://www.mccormick.com/productdetail.cfm?id=11738
".... Cinnamon extract .... flavoring extract prepared from oil of cinnamon .... contains not less than two percent by volume of oil of cinnamon."
http://www.legis.state.ia.us/IACODE/...ENT/190/1.html
Last edited by ktani; November 14th, 2009 at 09:03 PM. Reason: added link and text
With the new measuring requirement you would have a lot more liquid I might try the 1/8 of a cup next time which would mean needing 170g of water and see if that is enough to cover my hair, I think it would be. I had heaps of mixture left last time which I re added half way through but it seemed to just drip away. Is 1/8 of honey enough or is it better with the 1/4 a cup and just not bother about the waste ? What do you think?
Honey thread
Alley Cat
The minimum amount of honey to use is 10 grams.
"The overview of the method.
.... honey (preferably 10 grams) .... mix with 4 times that amount of water .... generate hydrogen-peroxide ...."
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/H2O2.html
According to this - that is 1/2 tablespoon- you would need 40 ml or 40 grams of water. Scroll down to the 1st conversion table.
http://www.traditionaloven.com/conve...surements.html
You can make the recipe whatever size you need - as long as you use the right amount of water.
And based on Jan in ID's results - distilled water is proving itself.
Last edited by ktani; June 22nd, 2008 at 12:24 AM. Reason: added link and text
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