Reply With QuoteThat is very trueOriginally Posted by ktani
I'm enjoying it too.
Ha that's funny, I meant sitting up with my hair wrapped up but yes lying in a bath full of honey and water you would need gallons of the stuff hey.HAHA! I can not imagine how much honey I would need!
That is very true
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That is very true
Now that is what I call a lovely side effect of honey lightening.
Ok, so the sun has gone down below the tree line and no after pictures until tomorrow. She did not wash all of the evo out! She wanted me to put in soft curlers, but I told her not to expect much because she did not get all the oil out. She said she washed twice and did a vinegar rinse. I never know how well she's washing her hair. She uses the CV nettle shampoo bar.
Until tomorrow with pics ...
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BrianaFineHair
Ok, so the sun has gone down below the tree line and no after pictures until tomorrow. She did not wash all of the evo out! She wanted me to put in soft curlers, but I told her not to expect much because she did not get all the oil out. She said she washed twice and did a vinegar rinse. I never know how well she's washing her hair. She uses the CV nettle shampoo bar.
Until tomorrow with pics ...
Well then - in your case honey lightening is serving 2 purposes - IMO - the quality time with your DD is more important than the lightening results - but I do look forward to your pictures and report.
Thank you ktani,I know I can use cardamom...and whatelse??
I know I can use cardamom...is there any other spices??
Last edited by Sissilonghair; June 15th, 2008 at 03:07 AM. Reason: double message
Yes ,I know about people that experienced lightning their hair with shea butter,but I am not sure if you can use it in the mix...I am not active in this thread much anymore... but for people who are interested in "bulking," could they try shea butter? My only concern is that the shea wouldn't mix with the water (which is a pretty valid concern), I think the only reason they mixed for me was because of the emulsifying ingredients in the conditioner. My shea was also warmed up in order to make it liquidy-- perhaps using warm water and putting a bowl of shea into it would work, without raising the temperature enough to negatively impact the honey enzymes.
I did see a big lightening boost with the shea, though.
ktani will give us an explanation(please??)
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Sissilonghair
The honey lightening boosters are all listed here - there are only 2 recommended spices. Other spices were researched and tried - this is the result.
"3. The honey lightening boosters - ingredients that add extra peroxide to the recipes are; cardamom, cinnamon, coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil.
Spices can be irritatiing - less is more with the 4 to 1 dilution - start with 1 tablespoon after patch testing - suggested maximum - 2 tablespoons.
Oils can be difficult to wash out of the hair - suggested amount - 1 tablespoon. "
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1174
After going over her posts again in the older Honey thread - I believe that the accidental extra lightening chloeishere got was from adding extra conditioner to her recipe - the recipe choeishere used had a shea butter/conditioner/oil mix in it - that increased the dilution - enabling the honey to produce more peroxide - not the shea butter.
Shea butter proved to be a problem used in a honey lighteing recipe on its own - it was reported by someone else to leave the hair sticky, was difficult to wash out and was not reported to produce much lightening.
I do not recommend shea butter for the recipes.
The 4 parts water to 1 part honey dilution has been reported to dilute honey more effectivley than conditioner - without the possible problems conditioner can cause.
Conditioner is no longer recommended for honey lightening.
This is the Successful Honey's list - if you cannot find one where you are - try a dark coloured honey blend.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ount=856itamin
Avoid these honeys - they contain high levels of Vitamin C - Anzer, buckwheat, linden flower, locust flower, mint and thyme honeys.
Last edited by ktani; June 15th, 2008 at 06:45 PM. Reason: spelling
Honey thread
A Comprehensive Summary of the newest honey lightening recommendations. Patch test any ingredient not previously used on the scalp or skin.
These recommendations are based on accredited research and successful honey lightening reports in this thread.
1. The 4 to 1 dilution is 4 parts water to 1 part honey. It is now the recommended dilution to be used for honey lightening. With this dilution, a treatment only needs to be left on the hair for 1 hour, because a honey will produce its maximum amount of peroxide in that time. The minimum amount of honey to be used is 10 grams. Here is a honey conversion table - See "Convert cup of honey into grams g, ounces oz or tablespoons." Use 4 times the amount of water by weight, e.g. 40 grams water to 10 grams of honey. You can also convert to ml, because 1 gram = 1 ml.
http://www.traditionaloven.com/conve...surements.html
According to reports posted in this thread, better results were achieved with the 4 to 1 dilution in 1 hour, than with repeated treatments using the old dilutions. Different honeys produce different levels of peroxide. Here is the Successful Honeys List - if one cannot be found - try a dark coloured honey blend - raw or pasteurized - both have been reported to work equally well.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ount=856itamin
2. Distilled water is recommended to be used for honey lightening in place of plain water. It is a better choice, for getting the best results from a honey lightening recipe because hydrogen peroxide can decompose in contact with certain minerals. More information on distilled water can be found here.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1173
3. The honey lightening boosters - ingredients that add extra peroxide to the recipes are; ground cardamom, ground cinnamon, coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil.
Spices can be irritating - less is more with the 4 to 1 dilution - start with 1 tablespoon after patch testing - suggested maximum - 2 tablespoons.
Oils can be difficult to wash out of the hair - suggested amount - 1 tablespoon.
4. Herbal teas if used instead of straight distilled water - chamomile - Roman chamomile is preferable but it is possible that chamomile can add a gold tone to the hair. Mullein - leaves only not flowers - the leaves are not known to add colour. The herbal tea should be brewed with distilled water.
5. Herbal tea that is used with honey lightening needs to be cooled first to room temperature before any other ingredients are added to it. Do not add spices to a recipe after you have applied the recipe to your hair - if any dry spice spills - you risk skin irritation - mix the spices into a recipe. The spices will blend better, mixed into herbal tea, when the honey is added first.
6. For blondes, lighter hair colours, and hair colours where one does not want the possibility of added colour, distilled water is better than risking added colour by using herbal tea.
7. Distilled water used with honey lightening should be room temperature only. Do not add spices to a recipe after you have applied the recipe to your hair - if any dry spice spills - you risk skin irritation - mix the spices into a recipe. The spices will blend better, mixed into water, when the honey is added first.
8. No external heat should be used with honey lightening - no blow dryers, sunlight. None of the recipe ingredients except herbal tea should be heated at any time. Heat (except body heat) can destroy hydrogen peroxide by decomposing it to water and oxygen. It depends on the degree of heat and the amount of time that it is applied. Pasteurization does not destroy the enzyme in honey that produces peroxide.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=883
9. No ingredients that contain Vitamin C, (except gound cardamom, which has the highest peroxide value for a spice and a low Vitamin C level), should be used in the recipes. Hydrogen peroxide oxidizes Vitamin C and is depleted in doing so. Some honeys naturally contain higher levels of Vitamin C. Avoid using Anzer, buckwheat, linden flower, locust flower, mint and thyme honeys. Most honeys contain very low levels. Here is a list of ingredients that contain Vitamin C.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=429
10. Jarrah honey, from Australia, is known for its very high peroxide value and is a good choice for honey lightening. Information on Jarrah honey and current suppliers can be found here.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1266
11. Conditioner is no longer recommended to be included in honey lightening recipes. Conditioner can contain ingredients that interfere with honey lightening and because of its water content (most conditioners are between 70 to 90 % water), if used as part of the 4 to 1 ratio, shorten the amount of water needed for optimal honey dilution. You can use conditioner only, to wash out a honey lightening treatment, instead of using shampoo or just rinsing it out. If there is honey residue, shampoo and or a vinegar rinse is recommended and has been reported to easily resolve the problem.
12. The honey lightening recipes can be applied with a tint or blush brush for more control of placement.
13. Cover the hair during the 1 hour needed for the treatments, with plastic, a bag, wrap or shower cap, to ensure the best results. This provides a constant moisture level, and allows the honey to produce peroxide uninterrupted. If the hair starts to dry, the honey slows its production of peroxide and it will stop producing peroxide altogether, if the hair dries completely. An option is misting the hair without the use of plastic, provided that the hair is kept wet at all times during the treatment. Honey only produces peroxide when diluted and kept wet. The treatments can be left on the hair longer than 1 hour, if so desired. You can also let a recipe sit for 1 hour before applying it, to allow the honey to produce its maximum peroxide value.
14. Honey lightening has not been reported to damage hair even after repeated use, over long periods of time. What has been reported occasionally is dry hair and crunchy ends. That is a honey residue result, and can easily be resolved by shampooing and or a vinegar rinse. The effects are temporary when shampoo and or vinegar are used. Some honeys leave fewer residues than others. More on honey lightening, and research on the protective mechanisms in honey lightening recipe ingredients, can be found here.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1035
15. This is the updated Pictures Post of some past and current Honey thread, honey lightening results.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1095
Last edited by ktani; June 24th, 2008 at 07:10 AM. Reason: update
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