Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC

[ktani]

A slight honey lightening departure.

Regular tea and coffee rinses have been reported to be drying to the hair.

In my research on tea and Vitamin C, I came across possible explanations as to why regular tea rinses might be drying to the hair - its resin content - among other things - that IMO, can build-up on hair and or interfere with other products.

Tea - Camellia sinensis - chemistry
"Tea polyphenols also have high .... affinity to ..... carbohydrates, proteins, and nucleic acids.
Herbal teas, which contain various known or unknown components .... quite different from tea (Camellia sinensis) ...."
http://www.teatalk.com/science/chemistry.htm

"A good amount of tea is placed in the pot with tweezers .... along with the cups it is washed in special bowls already filled with hot tea. This "seals" the cups with the tea's resins."
http://www.btmbeijing.com/contents/en/btm/2002-09/teaspecial/Tea

Camellia sinensis - tea
"Constituents --.... aqueous extract, protein wax, resin, ash and theophylline."
http://www.inpursuitoftea.com/category_s/46.htm

[ktani]

This is very interesting, IMO.

"APIMEDICA Presentation: Honey and Helicobacter Pylori - 2006

* Honey varieties higher in hydrogen peroxide content .... more effective in killing Helicobacter pylori .... compared to honey varieties with lower levels of hydrogen peroxide.

* Thyme honey, with its low pH and high osmolarity .... most effective in eliminating in vitro Helicobacter pylori."
http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2006/...honey-and.html

Osmolarity definition
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/osmolality

Thyme honey, because of its Vitamin C content, has a lower peroxide value than other honeys, so it is not recommendd for honey lightening but it has been shown to be effective against H. - the other named factors - its acidity and osmolarity obviously have great significance.


I am getting better at understanding some of the more complicated aspects of the research - I am right.

"Osmotic effect of honey on growth and viability of Helicobacter pylori
Honey from New Zealand and Saudi Arabia at concentrations .... 20% (v/v) inhibit the growth of H. pylori in vitro. .... anti-H. pylori effect involves both hydrogen peroxide- and non-peroxide-mediated killing mechanisms.
Osmotic effects .... shown to be the most important parameter for killing H. pylori .... inhibited 100% of the H. pylori."
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=1718741

[ktani]

Something interesting in this link

"* Ulcers can be treated at a low cost by thyme honey .... difficult to maintain a high concentration of honey at the gastric mucosa .... extended periods."
http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2006/...honey-and.html

may have and answer from this link

"UMF Active Manuka to treat H. pylori
Research .... by world honey expert Dr Peter Molan .... Waikato University Honey Research Centre .... good results ....
eating 20g (a heaped teaspoon) of Active Manuka Honey on a small square of bread one hour before meals .... (The bread was added to ensure the honey stayed in the stomach for longer periods)"
http://www.honeybalm.com/article/36

[ktani]

I realize that I have hijacked this thread away from honey lightening on this page but I know of at least 2 people with H. pylori.

While honey is not a guarateed cure at this point - the standard treatment currently is various strong antibiotic cocktails which can require experimentation to get right - I do not think honey can hurt and from the research it may be very helpful.

I am not in any way suggesting that honey should be used to replace standard conventional medical therapy.

Always consult your doctor before attempting to self medicate, IMO.

Thyme honey can be purchased here for as little as $12 USD, as well as in food stores.
http://www.artisansweets.com/category/s

They ship internationally.
http://www.artisansweets.com/customer_service

and it is cheaper than UMF manuka honey, which is the only one guaranteed by New Zealand, to have the Unique Manuka Factor.

UMF Manuka honey can be purchased at health food stores or ordered online.

In Toronto, thyme honey can be purchased at

Greek House Food Market
565 DANFORTH AVE, TORONTO, ON M4K 1P9
in between Fenwick & Carlaw
(Cross Street: Carlaw AVE and Danforth AVE)
Phone: 416-469-1466 Thyme honey in jars, $13.99 ea

[Alley Cat]

Can I ask a question ktani? I know you are not recommending conditioner anymore but just water , but did the conditioner and honey treatments still lighten hair at all in those who were doing those treatments earlier on?
I was wondering who did just that and did get lightening before water was known to be better?
I will probably still do some more water and honey treatments with the other additives, but I am wondering also about the occasional honey and conditioner treatment even without the additional additives just as a treatment . Would you still get gradual lightening doing that as well. I like the feel of my hair after a honey and conditioner treatment more than a honey and water treatment and it's easier to apply.

[ktani]

Can I ask a question ktani? I know you are not recommending conditioner anymore but just water , but did the conditioner and honey treatments still lighten hair at all in those who were doing those treatments earlier on?
I was wondering who did just that and did get lightening before water was known to be better?
I will probably still do some more water and honey treatments with the other additives, but I am wondering also about the occasional honey and conditioner treatment even without the additional additives just as a treatment . Would you still get gradual lightening doing that as well. I like the feel of my hair after a honey and conditioner treatment more than a honey and water treatment and it's easier to apply.

Alley Cat

The answer to your question is yes.

Honey and conditioner was reported to lighten hair.

However, the more the conditioner was diluted - more lightening was reported.

Here is an example of a report - going from all conditioner to 1/2 water 1/2 conditioner
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=586

And here is an example of a report - going from using conditioner previously to no conditioner and finally getting results
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=916

The 4 parts water to 1 part honey dilution works best IMO and in only 1 hour.

It may be more difficult to apply and get used to but again IMO, the results are worth it.

If you like the feeling of conditioner - try using conditioner only to wash the treatment out of your hair.

Conditioners can be problematic in the honey lightening recipes because of 2 reasons.

1. They can contain ingredients that interfere with the lightening.

2. Depending on their water content - they can shorten the supply of the water needed to reach the 4 parts water level.

[Alley Cat]

Alley Cat

The answer to your question is yes.

Honey and conditioner was reported to lighten hair.

However, the more the conditioner was diluted - more lightening was reported.

Here is an example of a report - going from all conditioner to 1/2 water 1/2 conditioner
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=586

And here is an example of a report - going from using conditioner previously to no conditioner and finally getting results
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=916

The 4 parts water to 1 part honey dilution works best IMO and in only 1 hour.

It may be more difficult to apply and get used to but again IMO, the results are worth it.

If you like the feeling of conditioner - try using conditioner only to wash the treatment out of your hair.

Conditioners can be problematic in the honey lightening recipes because of 2 reasons.

1. They can contain ingredients that interfere with the lightening.

2. Depending on their water content - they can shorten the supply of the water needed to reach the 4 parts water level.

Thanks ktani

[ktani]

Alley Cat

You are most welcome.

[ktani]

GlennaGirl's previous results - honey lightening with conditioner and the 4 to 1 dilution.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=653


GlennaGirl's new signature picture details.

She did a water-only (no conditioner) treatment using honey and cinnamon - the 4 to 1 dilution.

and a cardamom treatment, using 1/2 cup water and 1/2 cup conditioner, 1/4 cup honey and the cardamom.

Hair hennaed - after her latest 2 honey lightening treatments - unfortunately she had a temporary reaction to the cardamom.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=133292&postcount=6


GlennaGirl's new thread
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ead.php?t=6111

[ktani]

Most important to me is the fact that there is scientific research that supports the results reported in all of the Honey threads to date, that honey lightening is not damaging to hair.

The recipe ingredients that contain peroxide, starting with honey, all contain constituents that have been clinically shown to protect human cells from hydrogen peroxide damage. IMO, as I have said - this extends to hair.

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=969

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=974

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...&postcount=991



From past honey lightening recipes, tomato, a peroxide booster now not recommended because of its Vitamin C content - also contains these protective constituents.

“Tomatoes and tomato-based products contained primarily quercetin …. and…. myricetin.”
http://www.us.edu.pl/uniwersytet/jed...la/16_AC13.pdf

Hibiscus or roselle, also now not recommended for honey lightening because of Vitamin C - contains quercetin.

“…. flowers of Roselle …. contain quercetin …. “
http://www.bpi.da.gov.ph/Publication.../r/roselle.htm



While the amounts of these constituents may vary and the honey lightening peroxide containing ingredients do not necessarily contain all of the protective constituents named in the research, the reported results in the Honey threads have been consistent - honey lightening has not been reported to cause hair damage.

An encore of the latest honey lightening news.