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    So I tried the WCC method last night.

    I washed with a sulfate free shampoo, conditioned and then used a hydrating mask. Normally I would just wash ,then either condition or deep condtion/mask. This time
    I did both.
    Then I scrunched my hair, put up in a microfiber towel for a while, let down and air dried. I didn't use any product.

    The results are horrible. The pic is bad, but not as bad, but not as bad as what I'm seeing.

    My hair feels soft, but very heavy and I'm thinking that by tomorrow, it's going to feel oily.
    Also, it's still somewhat frizzy!!
    If you see a color difference in the pic, that's from yeas of sun exposure, not coloring. The very ends have a couple of pieces with some old highlights that haven't been trimmed off yet, but that's it. The rest is virgin hair.

    So my question is, what product can I use to get rid of the frizz without weighing down my hair?? Natural oils (argan and such) only work for a short time and I can't use them excessively.
    I think my HG oil (Ouai hair oil) may be making my hair drier, but I'm not 100% sure. Still, I'd like to switch to a lighter cream (no gel) styling formula that's not drying, and control frizz well.

    Any recommendations? I'm at a loss.



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    Quote Originally Posted by nycelle View Post
    The results are horrible. The pic is bad, but not as bad, but not as bad as what I'm seeing.

    My hair feels soft, but very heavy and I'm thinking that by tomorrow, it's going to feel oily.
    Also, it's still somewhat frizzy!!
    If you see a color difference in the pic, that's from yeas of sun exposure, not coloring. The very ends have a couple of pieces with some old highlights that haven't been trimmed off yet, but that's it. The rest is virgin hair.

    So my question is, what product can I use to get rid of the frizz without weighing down my hair?? Natural oils (argan and such) only work for a short time and I can't use them excessively.
    I think my HG oil (Ouai hair oil) may be making my hair drier, but I'm not 100% sure. Still, I'd like to switch to a lighter cream (no gel) styling formula that's not drying, and control frizz well.

    Any recommendations? I'm at a loss.


    I respectfully disagree. I think your results are amazingly beautiful - no joke!

    Maybe try the CWC method, that might be less "heavy" on the hair.

    I use the Shea Moisture curl enhancing smoothie to style + gel + a serum (LOC/LCO method). But I only use a coinsize for almost classic length hair. Both of the cream as of the gel, as of the serum. I scrunch it all in. Your hair is shorter, so I would use a pea size (just scoop a bit with your finger).

    I also don't see any frizz, TBH. Just defined waves.
    WCC method (washing) --- Rinse-out oil (MO) --- LOC/LCO method (styling)

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    Well, I think your hair looks fantastic, personally!

    However, one way to battle frizz is to rinse in the coolest water you can tolerate, followed by a rinse of cool water dilution of apple cider vinegar or citric acid. The cooler water and the acid dilution helps to flatten the cuticle, reducing frizz. And it won't make your hair oily.

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    Agnes Eliza, it's worth a try to do a cold rinse (they never worked on me).

    I have never heard of vinegar or lemon rinses laying the cuticle flat, though. I thought it was for hard water deposits, mainly.
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    Firstly, I think your hair genuinely looks lovely! But we don't have anything else to compare it to so it might not be great compared to how it normally is; either way please don't be discouraged because it truly doesn't look bad to other eyes!

    I agree with lapushka, maybe WCC is too heavy for your hair. It's definitely worth trying CWC instead. You could try ROO with the natural oils that don't work for long enough (but only change one thing in your routine at a time and give it several goes to see the true result).

    I don't know what conditioner and mask you used, but if they normally work individually for you then whatever the ingredients are shouldn't be a problem. You mentioned your hair oil possibly drying your hair out so I looked up the ingredients (maybe you already know what they are so apologies if I'm telling you something you already know. There's a huge looking list of natural oil extracts which sound amazing, but the two first ingredients are Cyclopentasiloxane and Dimethicone, both silicones. That's not to say they are bad, but with sulphate-free shampoos you need to be aware of what else you're using on your hair and make informed decisions. However if you have cocamidopropyl-betaine or coco betaine in the shampoo that should remove those two cones (you just might have to squeeze the shampoo down the length to be sure - not a scientific observation but from my own experience with the occasional heavy product!)

    If you are specifically wanting to go/stay sulphate-free then this is a good resource: surfactants that get wash out silicones http://science-yhairblog.blogspot.co...silicones.html

    Also seconding the cold rinse and suggestion as it works well for me too.
    Growing back to definite-calf length with hopefully some semblance of a hemline.
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    Cold water does wonders for my frizzy hair! Though it is not easy to tolerate in the winter!

    Here is an article about how ACV helps the cuticle lay flat but it does so partly because it reduces buildup:

    https://www.bustle.com/articles/9109...-done-for-your

    There are other articles on the internet that state similar things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnes Eliza View Post
    Cold water does wonders for my frizzy hair! Though it is not easy to tolerate in the winter!

    Here is an article about how ACV helps the cuticle lay flat but it does so partly because it reduces buildup:

    https://www.bustle.com/articles/9109...-done-for-your

    There are other articles on the internet that state similar things
    Thank you for the information, Agnes Eliza! It does say it helps clear build-up (hard water deposits), helping the cuticle lay flat, but that is if it is a final rinse, I think. I think if you use it early on in the wash routine and then if you go through your regular routine (warm water, other products), that cuticle opens right back up, so you would still have to do a final cold rinse. At least, that is what I think.
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    nychelle since your regular hair washing regimen was working out well for you, I presume, why did you decide to switch?
    Whenever I try something new with my hair washing regimen and it doesn't work, I just go back to my regular routine that was. There wasn't any major damage done to your hair, by trying the WCC for such a super short time, so all you really need to do is just re-wash and condition your hair and start over. As, I have also had to do this too, whenever I have put in a styling product in my hair that just didn't agree with it at all. I just re-washed my hair is all.

    Also, in regards to going without styling product in ones hair, that is something that honestly most people can't get away with at all, so that I am sure effected the outcome of your hair as well. When it comes to your hair being frizzy, I don't see anything major going on with frizz with your hair in the picture. It just looks like you need to go back to your former hair washing regimen and apply styling product to your hair, and oil if needed. Unfortunately, I can't 100% pinpoint! exactly which styling product or products will work best for your hair, because that can only truly be found through trial and error. If there is a local Sally's near you, you can always pop in there and speak to one of the sales associates, tell the individual about your hair and see what product recommendations they come up with. Sally's does allow for returns of used hair care products and I definitely know that Walmart does as well. If you don't want to go to Sally's you can quickly drop into Walmart and as long as you check the back of the product ingredient listing and it doesn't gave any ingredients in it that are known allergens to you or that you already know your hair doesn't like, and it's either your budget, then be open towards giving it a try.


    On my hair wash days, I keep things very simple. I will pre-poo (I try to do so preferably every week now), cleanse, deep condition w/heat), apply my moisturizing leave in spray (which also doubles as a refresher spray) and my styling creme. Now, when it is very hot and sticky out, I can actually get away with using no leave in in my hair. In between wash days, I just re-apply a bit of my leave in/refresher spray and /or styling Creme and that is it. My hair has gotten to a point, where I can go out into a heavy thunderstorm and my hair won't frizz or I can even be in the bathroom and the glass will fog up like crazy due to humidity in the bathroom, but yet, my hair will still be looking frizz free and not crazy in any type of way at all. Which isn't something that I could not have said years ago, when I was going around trying lots of new stuff in. Y hair back to back, changing up my hair care routine,mat the drop of a whim, and just doing way to much to my hair that wasn't truly needed in the first place. it was a major learning experience, but it taught me, in essence how to take best care of my hair as possible, which is why, I have no regrets in regards to the bumps in the road that I went through in order to get me where I am at today with my hair. Because it helped me to finally start to be more at peace with my hair overall.

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    Try the CWC method like lapuska recommended and an ACV rinse. These 2 saved my hair esp the later. Maybe you need cones? I found I did, so I use either hello hydration or nutrogena triple moisture. Your hair is beautiful though.
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    Thanks everyone - I appreciate the nice words and advice.

    I tried to WCC because I felt my hair needed extra moisture. The top layer is dry and I have some breakage going on. Unfortunately, it's too heavy for my hair.
    I will definitely try the other method of CWC next time and see how that goes. I also won't be using a mask after conditioning, just a regular conditioner. I think adding the mask was just going over the top for my hair.

    I do rinse with cool water, very cool. My tolerance is high. But I've never done an ACV rinse, so will definitely give that a try. It can't hurt.

    The picture is crappy. It lost a lot definition when I re-sized. Still you can see either new growth, or breakage around my crown, and down through the mid-length. I need to find a way to tame it, it just looks terrible.
    So far not much is working for longer than 1-2 hours at at time. I was hoping to find something that wouldn't need to be re-applied all day long.

    @MusicalSpoons; I us MorroconOil Hydrating shampoo and conditioner. I checked and the shampoo does contain cocamidopropyl betaine.
    I think I need to stick to cone based conditioners. The two cone free ones I've tried in the past left, my hair a ratty mess.
    That link is awesome, thank you.

    My routine needs something more @Reservechic . Some kind of product that I haven't found yet. I shampoo/condition, air dry. Then apply oil from mid-length to ends. This last week I stuck to only natural oils, not my HG oil ,and have lots more frizz. So I'll definitely go back to using Ouai. Would still be nice to find a good leave in that gives me definition, and controls fly aways/frizz.

    @WendyP - I use cones, just not sulfates.
    If you like Herbal Essence Hello Hydration.. you would probably love Herbal Essences, "Repair Argan oil of Morroco." I think it's the best product Herbal Essences have every put out. I still have the conditioner and will be using it next time for my CWC.

    Also, has anyone tried Devacurl for wavy hair? I wouldn't invest in the full size version, but Ulta has the 3 item set in a trial size for 9 USD.

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