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    Question How can I keep 2b waves from going flat?

    I am in a place of both excitement AND frustration with my hair. I used to think it was straight, though very thick and coarse. Eventually I discovered I'd simply been doing it all wrong, and that my hair is a pretty classic 2b (straighter at roots, although initially when wet to 25% dry the roots have a strong S-curve; and waves from ear down, large clumps of ringlet-patterns in front though).

    I now cowash and know how to care for my hair. Recently I got a diffuser (took too long lol!) and I get amazing results when I "plop" upside down in the shower with conditioner, at 50% dry I use a curl cream like Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, scrunch it in gently, and use the diffuser alternating warm heat with cool bursts of air to reduce frizz.

    This gives my hair more volume and curl than I knew was possible. There is a big issue though. After a couple hours, much of the hair starts to fall flat and straighten out a bit. Usually the very front stays fairly unchanged but that's the curliest part of my hair anyway. I don't touch or play with my hair.

    My hair is all one length as initially I imagined blunt, thick, waist-length hair. But I'm wondering...is that hindering me? Should I try layers and maybe adjust the image in my mind of my end goal? Is there anything else I could try? Something I'm doing wrong?

    Here's a before and after. https://imgur.com/a/177XI
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    Default Re: How can I keep 2b waves from going flat?

    I have a theory that the more "stuff" that coats each strand of hair, the heavier it gets and the heavier it gets, the harder it is for the strand to stay curly.

    I know curly girl ways are recommended, but there are so many different products to use, that finding what is perfect for your hair can be a hard and long journey.

    I have my hair in a bun all the time, so I don't bother with curl enhancers, and when I want to have my curls, I simply add a bit of water, flip my hair upside down and scrunch with my hands. Seems to work OK... except that I am now in the wonderous world of no-poo and no conditioner, so my hair is more or less coated depending on what mix I made. Sometimes my hair is flatter than usual, a bit greasier or more coated, but it takes time to perfect a recipe. I think it also takes time to find the right combo when using store bought products as well.

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    Default Re: How can I keep 2b waves from going flat?

    1. You may have 1c or 1c/2a hair type like me. Or rather 2a/2b than the full 2b.
    2. A blunt cut doesn't hold volume on the top. The weight of the length drags curls down.
    3. Layers are hard to grow, easy to damage, difficult to condition and style each and every layer. Plus: there are so many different types of layers that actually I don't know what in god's name haircut I had. It gives me an almost stick straight hair up to my bra strap then it goes directly into 1"-curling-iron-curls. I had a long pixie that is what the haircut is called
    4. Hmm we have threads for wavy-wurly and for each and every hair type. And the official 2 weeks thread for people to think over the change.
    5. Personally I think all the scrunching, plopping, defusing for half an hour in the bathroom is totally fake curls. Those are not waves or curls, they are forced to bent in the way you hold them. I think hair that grows to terminal length shows the real shape of the strands. I mean c'mon hair doesn't grow to bra strap length and grows then shorter at your shoulder to frame the face or something. I don't understand why people don't realise how fake haircuts are! But that's just my thoughts on it.
    6. If I keep my hair in buns it results in a 2a hair type especially at the ends. If I hold my hair in braids I will have kinks instead of curls hihi. But if I apply leave-in conditioner my hair goes 1c.
    I tried scrunching my hair when I still got bra strap length hair. It looked freaking 2c at the ends and cowlicks in the crown because of my shorter layers somewhere at armpit length I guess. So yeah not so much length to drag my cowlicks. Btw if you layer your hair it will show off the cowlicks and bed kinks (not waves) by the next day. Yeah good luck with hiding that in a bun lol. I still have a v from the past haircut but my short layers start from hip length and my longer one is 2cm away from the so nicely called butt-crack-length 😊
    7. Keep in mind that wavy means straight on the top and wavy on the length. I don't know why people are desperate about waves on the crown, because wavy doesn't mean wavy on the crown. It is so! I can't explain this, but it is real. People who cut their hair short below chin length Bob think they have straight hair. Curly means curls from the top yes. But 3a can go like 2b in a minute if you bun it! That's why people confuse curly with wavy with coarse with natural... My God I learned from LHC and LHC member's blogs in half a year more than a hairdresser learned in their entire career life!
    8. Not every frizzy hair is wavy, as not every curly hair is frizzy. Try products that work for you without listening to advices. I have learned this precious tip on LHC. Forget the no-silicone conditioners. if your hair frizzies and likes coney conditioner this doesn't mean your hair is wavy, it means your hair is fine (not thin). Every shampoo, conditioner, cream, gel, etc. Works in its own way. Some products will leave your hair greasy, some others won't cleanse correctly, other stuff even work also as a cleanser although it contains Silicones! There are also some products that makes hair curl even more. All in all wavy second day hair is not achievable without the regular wasting time on it instead of bunning it in 20 seconds.
    9. Weather changes also the way your hair behaves: humidity frizzies fine hair, it can make it clump together and some strands may go curly lol. Or it can go flat and fried. You can't expect curly hair on the top just because you plop, scrunch and defuse it. I wish I could have 1a /c/iii hair but I have 1c(1c/2a?)/f(m?)/ii. So try to accept your hair rather than "work it girl work it".

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    Default Re: How can I keep 2b waves from going flat?

    I think what "remains" after the diffusing has cooled down is what you're dealing with. Not that you can "keep" the waves that come out of diffusing. I think that is just how the cookie crumbles.

    Maybe try a longer plop and dry a bit in the towel like that, before letting it airdry and then after a few hours diffuse. It's how I usually mostly do it. Except I don't plop, I put it just up in a regular microfiber turbie.
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    Default Re: How can I keep 2b waves from going flat?

    Wow, so much insight already! Thank you!

    Reptilian: you make a good point. It's possible I haven't experimented enough with zero product. That'd probably be a good way to get to know my natural hair better.

    leayellena: Thank you for taking the time to give me such a detailed response! That's a lot of advice and general insights that are great for me to think over. One thing at least that I do know is that it is definitely in the wavy classification. It's funny, you've made me think about something that should maybe be obvious and I just haven't realized it lol. The way I discovered my hair type was this. Well, in the past I always brushed my hair wet after a shower. And I'd continue to brush it as it dried in hopes of making it more manageable. But it just made it poofy and I either threw it in a bun or used a curling iron.

    So, what I did was take a shower and not touch my hair when I got out. Not at all, even a little, not even to push pieces out of my face. It was just sopping wet, so uncomfortable, but I just kept a towel around my shoulders and watched a movie. Eventually when my hair dried on its own, it had turned into definite waves. And in fact what I call big curls because they were the classic shape, I don't know how to describe it, not waves but hair that curled like a ringlet. Except it would clump together (on its own) to make very large ringlets. When I did this, which I did a few times when trying to get to know my hair, my hair would be wavier/curlier than I've ever had it. It would also begin its wave from the crown. But I still don't feel like I'm 2c because it doesn't curl from the crown, just waves.

    So the funny part in telling you this is I'm having a really "duh" moment here. In order to have my hair in its most natural state, it seems that it needs to be completely left alone, with no product, no diffuser, no twisting, scrunching...how could I not think of this?? Let's blame it on the medications I take for my illnesses, haha! The only annoying thing is how practical is it to need to try to function with completely soaked hair that'll take 45 minutes to an hour to fully dry? Maybe the most realistic option for me is settling for flatter (but still wavy!) hair using my diffuser on a regular basis, but when I have the time/inclination, I can let it be and get my natural texture.

    But then it's like...how do I preserve this hair for tomorrow? lol. I think wavy hair that's right in between straight and really curly is so tough. It seems like many really curly girls have hair that can be manipulated more for overnight styles without losing shape, and straight hair is just straight, but wavy hair is more liable to lose shape. Ugh, it's just so annoying lol.

    lapushka: may I ask what you mean by diffusing hours later? does diffusing on dry hair do anything?
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    Default Re: How can I keep 2b waves from going flat?

    DizzyGinger, first up, you have gorgeous hair. As a fellow wavy (mine's wavy from the root, and curlier in the underlayer), I find spritzing my hair with water after it's dried can help bring the whirls back that manipulation kills (well, all that drying, adding of product, plopping, etc.). And yup, I get my best sausage ringlets, smaller ringlets and whirls from clumped, dripping wet, totally untouched hair (not even towel-dried, wrung out or anything), but that can take a whole day of air drying, or more, so not something I bother with most times. In any case, I definitely find less is more, and that may help you?
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    Default Re: How can I keep 2b waves from going flat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crystawni View Post
    bring the whirls back
    Ahh whirls! That was the word I was looking for! thank you lol
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    Default Re: How can I keep 2b waves from going flat?

    I have T2A/B hair as well. If I roller set or even after I wash the wave/curl, it drops after a few hours. When I do wear my hair down on a special occasion, I'll sprits Herbal Essence Volumizing hairspray ( just a little) to hold the volume or curl.

    ETA: your color and hair is very lovely.
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    Default Re: How can I keep 2b waves from going flat?

    At some point you need to figure out if it's worth it for a few more waves, to sit there with a soaking head. I don't think it's worth it. Give me saggier waves any time.

    I'd wring it out after a wash, detangle it, style it (scrunch the product in), then put it in a towel to plop for a few hours, then take it out, leave it alone *or* diffuse. That's what I would try. It will at least be much more comfortable. And to me comfort is everything (but that's me).
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    Default Re: How can I keep 2b waves from going flat?

    What about twisting your hair in a bun or two overnight? It might change the texture a bit but you will have voluminous bouncy waves since you already have waves, it should hold up you a bit more for you. It works sometimes for my impossible straight hair and leaves a nice texture grip that naturally never has.

    Im a natural 1B-C head and growing out from so!

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