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    Hi everyone and thanks in advance for any replies!

    Today I got my hair colored. I usually go about every 8 weeks, only do the roots now, but there is damage at the lower 6 or so inches from when I used to color all of it.

    My hairstylist knows I don't want to cut or even trim at all right now. I do coconut oil treatments (pre-shampoo) on occasion and that does help with my dry ends. They are not quite velcro-y so the damage isn't too bad.

    My stylist recommended I get a deep conditioning treatment. I asked her what it was (I assumed some kind of hot oil treatment). She said she washes the hair with a special shampoo which opens up the cuticle and then the treatment is put on. The open cuticle allows the treatment to penetrate. I don't know if heat is involved, I didn't want to ask loads of questions because I didn't want her to think I was afraid she might do something damaging when she was trying to do something just the opposite. I know, I shouldn't have been shy to ask for more details.

    Anyway, it's the shampoo that opens the cuticle that sounds scary to me. Has anyone gotten this kind of a treatment before and do you recommend it?

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    Default Re: question about salon deep conditioning treatment

    This might be of interest:
    http://www.thenaturalhavenbloom.com/...ticle-for.html

    There are plenty of really effective deep conditioning treatments you can do at home- have you tried an SMT?
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    Default Re: question about salon deep conditioning treatment

    I have done a few SMTs, they do really work well, although sometimes they leave a residue on both hair and scalp which is hard to get out even after loads and loads of rinsing. I could just do one on the bottom half of my hair where it really needs it most.

    I will check out that link, thanks furnival.

    Edited to add: I have read the link and have bookmarked it for further study. Just as I suspected, forcing the cuticle open is bad!

    I will just continue with my pre-shampoo coconut oilings (must do them more often!) and a bottom half SMT every now and then.
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    Default Re: question about salon deep conditioning treatment

    I colored the mess out of my hair. Once I damaged it and needed to fortify it a bit. I used Aphogee Keratin 2 Minute Reconstuctor. Its got protein in it so just go easy but it did wonders for it. I did it about twice a month for awhile then my hair decided it didn't like the protein. I lightly oil my hair if its dry. I like macadamia nut oil, my daughter has fine hair and she likes apricot kernal oil as it is a lighter oil she can use without getting greasy. Sunflower oil is kinda light too. I started to use those wash out colors on it and henna and its in better shape and I can still change it up a little. I did just trim 3 inches off the bottom but mny hair was past my waist so it didn't hurt so bad.

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    Default Re: question about salon deep conditioning treatment

    I'm not sure why you're concerned about shampoo opening the cuticle? Do you normally use shampoo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahthegemini View Post
    I'm not sure why you're concerned about shampoo opening the cuticle? Do you normally use shampoo?
    Oh, yes I use both normal shampoo (diluted) and sometimes a SLS-free shampoo. This was a special shampoo that forced the cuticle to open (I'm assuming much more than what normally washing it would do) so that the treatment could penetrate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andeee View Post
    Oh, yes I use both normal shampoo (diluted) and sometimes a SLS-free shampoo. This was a special shampoo that forced the cuticle to open (I'm assuming much more than what normally washing it would do) so that the treatment could penetrate.
    Tbh my cynical side is telling me that the stylist is ********ting you. An ordinary shampoo opens up the cuticles plenty.

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    Default Re: question about salon deep conditioning treatment

    Don't worry so much. Water opens the cuticle, too. Salon deep conditioning treatments using heat make my hair shine like glass; I love it!

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    Default Re: question about salon deep conditioning treatment

    Quote Originally Posted by furnival View Post
    This might be of interest:
    http://www.thenaturalhavenbloom.com/...ticle-for.html

    There are plenty of really effective deep conditioning treatments you can do at home- have you tried an SMT?
    I was going to refer you to the same blog article.

    I think the whole approach of "opening the cuticle" that the product promotes is wrong.
    Hair cuticles are not like skin pores to be cleansed or layers to be exfoliated. You don't want to "open the cuticle" in order to "deep treat" it; you want to keep it intact... or patch-repair missing/chipped/damaged cuticles where the damage is done.

    I think it's best to keep cuticles lying as flat as you can get away with while washing, drying, styling and otherwise handling your hair. Cuticles are lifted/opened under extremely alkaline, damaging conditions: e.g. dyeing, bleaching, relaxing, soaking in concentrated baking soda solution. This leads to more hair porosity... which, ironically, you'll later need to patch-repair with conditioning ingredients (especially hydrolyzed proteins) if you want to grow your hair long and manageable.
    Why cause damage in the first place so you'll have to routinely patch-repair later?

    Here's a great read on understanding and managing porosity and elasticity: http://science-yhairblog.blogspot.ca...y-in-hair.html

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    Default Re: question about salon deep conditioning treatment

    To add to Natural Haven links...here was the 2nd part...this one explains why most ingredients do not need to penetrate to help hair
    http://www.thenaturalhavenbloom.com/...y-need-to.html

    If you take this sentence..."Healthy hair has closed hair cuticles. Factors that change the cuticle’s surface can include your shampoo. Some strong shampoos not only strip the hair of its natural oils but also injure the cuticle by tearing up the overlapping scales. " then it seems counter productive to damage hair just to correct it.

    I would think mild heat such as warm rinsing are just enough to get the cuticle to react and take in what needs penetrated...without tearing it open enough to cause serious hair. I would appreciate feedback on if that is true if anyone can confirm or deny.

    This topic is so interesting to me as I always believed in the past about stripping and adding. It explains a lot of my past issues.
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