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    Unhappy Ugh... All I want for Christmas is smooth, silky hair!

    For months now I've been battling with my hair, trying to get *something* to work right for me.

    I desperately want slip, I want that silky-smooth feeling, the ability to run my fingers through my length without getting my fingers caught up in everything, I want to stroke it and not have it feel dry or coarse. I want smooth, I want silky, I want soft!

    So, obviously, right now my hair feels pretty coarse. I have accepted that this might just be my natural hair texture. Even with epic moisturising rituals, clarifying, protein, acid rinses, leave-ins (etc, etc, etc) my hair always remains the same. This is okay. At one point I was sure that I was secretly a wavy, I so badly wanted to be one of those people who CO-wash for a month and suddenly they have beautiful, soft, happy and wavy hair! But no, no I. I just have kinda rough hair, I guess. It doesn't have build up, protein overload/underload, moisture issues or anything like that.... I guess on the plus side it's very, very shiny....

    Anyway, I want slip, but is it attainable for a coarse hair type? I feel like I've tried so many things. I don't really want to go back to cones because I'm sort of paranoid about them. I am just getting kind of tired of my hair now that I've reached Waist+, I would enjoy it so much more even if I could just gently run my fingers through it.


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    Default Re: Ugh... All I want for Christmas is smooth, silky hair!

    My hair is fairly rough, even in its best condition. On the thicker hairs, I can actually feel scales when I run my fingers along the strand. Since it grows out of my scalp like that I have come to the conclusion that it is normal and inevitable. I also suspect that it is why my hair is so prone to tangles. For slip, I use a catnip rinse leave-in, trim splits relentlessly, and comb or brush my hair several times a day to reduce tangles.

    I accept my hair texture and work within its limitations, and consequently, my hair is growing like a weed.
    My routine has changed since starting to use Rogaine regularly to try to regain some thickness. I still cleanse every other day, but I use T/Sal shampoo, followed by my beloved Suave Wild Cherry conditioner. A vinegar rinse and catnip leave in follow.

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    Default Re: Ugh... All I want for Christmas is smooth, silky hair!

    Quote Originally Posted by ravenreed View Post
    My hair is fairly rough, even in its best condition. On the thicker hairs, I can actually feel scales when I run my fingers along the strand. Since it grows out of my scalp like that I have come to the conclusion that it is normal and inevitable. I also suspect that it is why my hair is so prone to tangles. For slip, I use a catnip rinse leave-in, trim splits relentlessly, and comb or brush my hair several times a day to reduce tangles.

    I accept my hair texture and work within its limitations, and consequently, my hair is growing like a weed.
    My hair is really likes to tangle too! It also grows like crazy now that I've sort of 'given up' and now have a basic, stable routine going.

    I guess I just want that unattainable 'pantene commercial' smoothness and silkiness, but I think to get that I would have to straighten my hair with heat and load on cones upon cones.

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    Default Re: Ugh... All I want for Christmas is smooth, silky hair!

    Have you tried a Vinegar rinse yet? I'm amazed with how smooth and shiny it makes my hair. I tried it a while ago and wasn't very impressed. Then I tried it again a few months ago and the results were awesome. My hair feels so silky that I can't keep myself from touching it (shame on me, I need to stop that). Only one time a few weeks ago did I forget to do the Vinegar rinse, and my wide tooth comb kept getting stuck in tangles and my hair felt "rough".

    I only use a capful of Vinegar mixed in a 12 ounce plastic cup of warm shower water, some people use more Vinegar (after shampoo and conditioner is rinsed off). I pour about half over my head, then I dunk my length in the cup for about a minute, then pour the remaining over my head again. I rinse it out, some people don't. I use White Vinegar instead of Apple Cider Vinegar since it might give a reddish color over time to your hair.

    Also, have you tried Mineral Oil (Johnson's Baby Oil) on damp hair? Only a couple drops, though.
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    Default Re: Ugh... All I want for Christmas is smooth, silky hair!

    Quote Originally Posted by MeowScat View Post
    Have you tried a Vinegar rinse yet? I'm amazed with how smooth and shiny it makes my hair. I tried it a while ago and wasn't very impressed. Then I tried it again a few months ago and the results were awesome. My hair feels so silky that I can't keep myself from touching it (shame on me, I need to stop that). Only one time a few weeks ago did I forget to do the Vinegar rinse, and my wide tooth comb kept getting stuck in tangles and my hair felt "rough".

    I only use a capful of Vinegar mixed in a 12 ounce plastic cup of warm shower water, some people use more Vinegar (after shampoo and conditioner is rinsed off). I pour about half over my head, then I dunk my length in the cup for about a minute, then pour the remaining over my head again. I rinse it out, some people don't. I use White Vinegar instead of Apple Cider Vinegar since it might give a reddish color over time to your hair.

    Also, have you tried Mineral Oil (Johnson's Baby Oil) on damp hair? Only a couple drops, though.
    I have tried both, yeah. Unfortunately I can't use mineral oil because if my hair touches my skin then I break out.

    The vinegar rinses I haven't had much success with but I've only really tried it a few times, so I will try again with your method and see if it works out!

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    Default Re: Ugh... All I want for Christmas is smooth, silky hair!

    Have you tried an EVOO (or other oil your hair likes) pre wash? My hair's dry and doesn't have a ton of slip but EVOO has made my hair so much silkier and it seems to be have more slip. I just warm up ~1/8 cup oil and let it marinate in my sleep braid overnight before shampooing it out in the morning.
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    Default Re: Ugh... All I want for Christmas is smooth, silky hair!

    Good news and bad news based on my own experience with coarse hair. Good news is that it is attainable. Bad news is that it is attainable once in a blue moon when the stars align just so and I still don't quite know how I did it in the few times I've achieved it. I've listed each time below to demonstrate how random and rare they are, and how it may have more to do with weather and water than anything else.

    The first time was when I was 15 and I was visiting cousins in West Virginia for winter break. Super cold and dry mountain air. Not sure how hard or soft the water was. I was using some Herbal Essences shampoo and a now discontinued Herbal Essences conditioner for oily hair.

    Second time, I thought had to do with weather. I was spending my spring break, junior year of college, in Ireland, and my blow dried hair was unusually silky compared to what I could get in the New Orleans humidity that I was used to. It was cold and dry but not hugely so.

    The third time, I thought had to do with clarifying and a change in water. I was spending my winter break of my second year of law school, in northern California. I clarified and then CWCed a few washes in a row, with silky results every time. However, it did not last very long and soon my hair went back to coarse poofiness.

    The fourth, just a month ago, I thought had to do with finding the perfect routine: prewash oiling with coconut and olive oil, thorough wash with a sulfate shampoo, mix of Herbal Essences Honey I'm Strong conditioner and Tresemme Naturals conditioner (both protein-free) with honey and a capful of ACV, icy cold rinse, olive oil as a leave-in, and damp bunning. (Sounds exhausting, I know). It may also have to do with weather. I was in Long Island and it was starting to rapidly get cold but not freezing just yet.

    The results weren't the same just as I moved to the DC metro area. No more silk, even with that routine. Now, this may have to do with buildup from my routine and perhaps a good clarifying will help. It may also have to do with water hardness. Maybe the weather as well. It's cold and snowy, but still humid (which is pretty unpleasant). I may have overdone the conditioner? *Sigh*

    I'm trying to say that I sympathize and I'm also chasing an elusive condition of my hair that has teased me periodically for eleven years. It sucks. Make of this post what you will.

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    Default Re: Ugh... All I want for Christmas is smooth, silky hair!

    Quote Originally Posted by TrapperCreekD View Post
    Have you tried an EVOO (or other oil your hair likes) pre wash? My hair's dry and doesn't have a ton of slip but EVOO has made my hair so much silkier and it seems to be have more slip. I just warm up ~1/8 cup oil and let it marinate in my sleep braid overnight before shampooing it out in the morning.
    I have tried soooooo many oils! I have found that meadowseedfoam oil does a good job for both pre wash & post. Hair still feels kinda naturally 'grabby' though.

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    Default Re: Ugh... All I want for Christmas is smooth, silky hair!

    Quote Originally Posted by HintOfMint View Post
    Good news and bad news based on my own experience with coarse hair. Good news is that it is attainable. Bad news is that it is attainable once in a blue moon when the stars align just so and I still don't quite know how I did it in the few times I've achieved it.
    Hmm... That's interesting! Thank you for sharing that.

    I suppose that if it's possibly attainable (albeit fickle and rare) then I can have hope that maybe one day I will experience it too... So I will keep trying and hoping for it

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    Default Re: Ugh... All I want for Christmas is smooth, silky hair!

    Milly, I just noticed your siggy. Waist length can be a really annoying length when it comes to tangles. You're at the end of the Mid Back Abyss, and the majority of your hair is resting on your back. Every time you turn your head, your length is brushing against your back, it's not hanging freely, so to speak. You're at one of those highly tangly phases of your growth. I had baseball sized knots at Waist constantly.

    Just something to keep in mind.
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