Just chiming in here for fine, straight-haired people. I could not do any sort of bun without a ponytail holder until at least BSL, at which point I could literally only do a cinnabun held by Amish pins or maybe a 4-pronged hair fork once I got closer to waist. I could not understand why people loved the lazy wrap bun and the Gibralter bun and all those other buns, because I could NOT get them to stay, definitely not with only one hair stick.
Well, once I hit hip, suddenly everything started magically working! It was amazing! Now all I live in are LWBs and Gibralter buns!
So it can really depend on your hair type. I will definitely recommend trying the Disc bun - it held well in my hair much sooner than many other buns did.
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