Finding a Replacement for my Favourite Conditioner

[Shorty89]

Hmm, how annoying that your favorites have gone awol!

I am deeply committed to cones in conditioners as a general rule so my favorites aren't going to work for you - however - I seem to remember reading some curlygirl reddit thread about the Down Under Naturals conditioners as being good cowashers? I looked them up and ye olde fatty alcohols are high up the list.

(watch this be your regular conditioner lol )

It is. I use the Nude line which was discontinued.

[Für immer]

I thought I mentioned it in my first post but I guess I didn't. I already have some Nightshade's conditioner bar and I like it but it's too heavy to CO with.

Ah, that's unfortunate.
Seems like it differs from person to person then, as it works splendidly for both Tatsu and I.
Admittedly, I tend to use a liquid conditioner of a Swedish brand for my roots/scalp.

I hope you'll find a good replacement.

[baanoo]

It is. I use the Nude line which was discontinued.

Ahahahahaha
Wellll dang

[Nightshade]

I know it's probably more than you want to get into, but Cetrimonium Chloride largely fills the space that the BTMS-50 I use does (it's an emulsifying conditioner).

https://thethingswellmake.com/easy-d...-natural-hair/
I bet you could start with a very basic recipe like this, swap in the Cetrimonium Chloride for BTMS-50 and then you could tinker with the other ingredients to your heart's content.

like if I took a first crack at it something like:

Phase 1 (water phase)

▢83 g distilled water
- all the "extracts" go here, too, to total up to 83g

▢5 g glycerin


Phase 2 (oils and emulsifiers)
▢5 g oils or other oil based ingredients
- Paraffinum liquidum

▢5 g conditioning emulsifiers
-Cetrimonium Chloride
- Cetyl Alcohol
- Quaternium-18



Phase 3
▢1 g preservative (DMDM hydantoin in your current conditioner)
▢1 g essential oils or fragrence oils
- your cones would also go here

The citric acid (imho) is trickier to use here, and liquid lactic acid added in a drop at a time at the end will make it easier than dealing with powdered citric acid in the water phase and hoping you stick the pH.

[Shorty89]

Ah, that's unfortunate.
Seems like it differs from person to person then, as it works splendidly for both Tatsu and I.
Admittedly, I tend to use a liquid conditioner of a Swedish brand for my roots/scalp.

I hope you'll find a good replacement.

Thanks. For now, I'm using a different Down Under conditioner but it's a bit too heavy. I'll try the conditioner bar on my length again sometime. Maybe now that it's winter, it will work better for my scalp?

Ahahahahaha
Wellll dang

Yeah. I just hope they come out with a new Nude conditioner.

I know it's probably more than you want to get into, but Cetrimonium Chloride largely fills the space that the BTMS-50 I use does (it's an emulsifying conditioner).

https://thethingswellmake.com/easy-d...-natural-hair/
I bet you could start with a very basic recipe like this, swap in the Cetrimonium Chloride for BTMS-50 and then you could tinker with the other ingredients to your heart's content.

like if I took a first crack at it something like:

Phase 1 (water phase)

▢83 g distilled water
- all the "extracts" go here, too, to total up to 83g

▢5 g glycerin


Phase 2 (oils and emulsifiers)
▢5 g oils or other oil based ingredients
- Paraffinum liquidum

▢5 g conditioning emulsifiers
-Cetrimonium Chloride
- Cetyl Alcohol
- Quaternium-18



Phase 3
▢1 g preservative (DMDM hydantoin in your current conditioner)
▢1 g essential oils or fragrence oils
- your cones would also go here

The citric acid (imho) is trickier to use here, and liquid lactic acid added in a drop at a time at the end will make it easier than dealing with powdered citric acid in the water phase and hoping you stick the pH.

I think Nightshade needs to make a new conditioner.