What was the concensus using Dairy Whip before catnip? I just received my Dairy Whip order and am anxious to try it out. Should I just use them on different wash days?
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What was the concensus using Dairy Whip before catnip? I just received my Dairy Whip order and am anxious to try it out. Should I just use them on different wash days?
Diluted Dairy Whip and catnip work very well for rymorg2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demetrue
Ktani is right demetrue....I use DW and catnip every time I wash. I dilute the DW. Here's what I do:Quote:
Originally Posted by Demetrue
1. Dilute a blob of DW in a squirt bottle with water, wash with it.
2. Usually a 2nd wash with catnip tea, rinse immediately.
3. Hour long catnip treatment in bag.
4. Final distilled water rinse.
I will say that due to my hard water and the tendancy of oils to build up on my hair, I do have to wash with poo once in awhile.....Anywhere from once every 2-4 weeks is normal for me.
Thanks for the response! I never knew I could get so excited about hair products ;>)
Catnip can have that effect on people and so can Dairy Whip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demetrue
Well, I have joined the crazy catnip crew! :) I did my first catnip wash this afternoon. I'm trying "catnip only" washes first; if needed, I'll try other methods. I used 1 teaspoon of catnip steeped in 300 mL of water. I only let the catnip sit on my head while I was doing shower stuff, so it probably only stayed on for about 10 minutes. I was able to comb my hair while wet and while dry without any problems. My hair isn't as moisturized as I'm hoping it will be in the future, but it is rather soft and still has some moisture in it. And my hair is not weighed down like it usually is after a conditioner-only wash.
For those wondering, the catnip by itself seemed to clean my hair pretty well. However, I hadn't used cones in quite awhile and I used very little, if any, oil on my hair between today's wash and the previous wash. The hair near my scalp had been greasy, and the catnip took care of that without any problems. I also did not notice any tackiness or stickiness after only using the catnip.
I'll be experimenting a lot with catnip to try to determine what works best for me. I am aware that I may need to increase the length of time that my hair soaks in the catnip, and I may need to occasionally use shampoo or conditioner-only in addition to catnip. I'll keep everyone apprised of my experiments here. :)
Sounds great so far. Yes catnip can remove sebum and does so well. Results may vary though, as some people produce more than others. I am happy with "catnip shampoos" but have not used them only, yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaeleyAnne
Well, I didn't have time to make the catnip tea, so just used the Dairy Whip alone, and I'm telling you - my hair really, really NEEDS the catnip. Maybe if I wasn't still growing out chemical damage would have been okay, but those poor straggly ends want their catnip! I'll try to squeeze in a treatment tomorrow.
Thank you Ktani for your diligence in maintaining this thread! I just went through most of the thread and found that your careful instructions and responses to questions are extremely helpful! I have just ordered some dairy whip and have brewed up some catnip tea, and I'm looking forward to having stronger, healthier hair. I did use the catnip tea yesterday after washing - leaving it in for about 20 minutes and then rinsing out. I like the softness and shine! It sounds like it only gets better with time and a simple routine. Anyway, I'll report later on my experience. Thanks again!! :flowers:
You are most welcome and thank you for the kind words.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialKitty
If you like 20 minutes of catnip on your hair, I think that you will love 60 minutes, lol.
YW, and mine NEEDS the catnip too btw....DW alone is not enough. DW and catnip? Perfection.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Demetrue
I did A dry braid with catnip soaked into it, then henna mixed with catnip tea on the roots of my hair left it all on for three hours. Rinsed it all out with diluted shampoo then rinsed it twice with clear water and finished with two rinses of catnip tea.
My hair has never been this soft, de-tangled and shiny.
I may give up conditioner.
I think the trick for me was to put it on DRY hair and let it soak in then wash my roots with shampoo and with my entire head twice with the tea letting it soak while I shaved, scrubbed and exfoliated.
SOFT.
Honestly its the ends of the hair that need the help the most so thats where I concentrate the catnip soak but it definitely adds shine where I splash it otherwise.
This stuff works great for me!
KJ
I keep playing with my routine too. I just jused more shampoo than last time but just the normal amount I used to use, did a 2nd catnip shampoo as well, then colour/conditioned and my hair is heavenly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keenkitty
They are so many ways to play with it in a haircare routine. I love the variety. And still, no downside.
Forgive me if this has been asked - I have read many of the posts in this thread, but not all- it would take a bit more time than I have, at the moment!
Has anyone had success using catnip soakings after washing with a shampoo bar? Or, would that leave too much of a coating on the hair? I've been using Chagrin Valley shampoo bars, and they do seem to leave something like a waxiness on my hair sometimes, though not always. I understand from Ktani's posts that any coating on the hair may interfere with the catnip's effects. Anyone?
Use a vinegar rinse after the shampoo bar and see how your hair feels. It may be enough for you not to have a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by hennared
It works almost too well on mine. Conditions like whoa, and I only leave it on perhaps ten minutes. However, I'm using CV's regular soap now, not shampoo bars, which seem to leave a different residue. Just use your vinegar rinse, then the tea; shower cap it until you want to rinse, then rinse with cool water. I put some BPAL in mine, which then leaves my hair smelling nice. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hennared
One of the main differences between the CV shampoo bars and the CV soap is the amount of castor oil used, http://www.chagrinvalleysoapandcraft...oapvsshamp.htm. Castor oil is heavy and can leave a more or a coating on the hair, as well as darken hair colour, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1311.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sokudo Ningyou
I tried a catnip soak of about 40 minutes before washing, figuring that since i don't really wash my length, it might work well. It was easier, too, this way, since I was not going to really soak my whole head with catnip; I concentrated the catnip tea on the ends. (I brewed it just like Ktani's instructions). I then washed with the CV mud and clay bar, and followed with a light vinegar rinse (1 tbsp ACV to 32 oz of water). There was no waxiness, and, I do think the catnip conditioned nicely; I did not condition my ends as I usually do, after a wash. Next time I will try the catnip after the wash.
I may try straight catnip shampoo to see what it can do. I keep putting that off but it has worked for others. It does depend IMO, on how oily the hair gets as to how well it may work.
I know that it can remove my skin oil well, as my face can get oilier sometimes more than others and catnip has not failed me yet, there.
I just trimmed close to an inch off my hair length (I measured it after I cut it off). It was overdue. Not too much growth taper since my last trim, (over 4 months) and no breakage taper, which is consistant with how my hair has been growing for over the last 1.5 years, since I increased the catnip timing.
I am growing at least .5 inch per month, maybe slightly more. I used to grow .75 inch per month but I do not measure it.
The .75 I know, because a stylist I went to, measured it, after I told him that was what I thought it was. That may have been a growth spurt, lol and was a looong time ago but I was not a teenager.
I do know that my hair is growing well and fast but how much of that growth rate is from catnip alone, I cannot say. Catnip has from what I see, kept the hair I do grow, from breaking off the way it used to and my having ratty ends between trims. When that stylist measured my growth, my hair was kept shorter and layered and was trimmed more often.
Someone asked me how long my hair is now. I just pulled the hair in back down and pulled straight, it reaches my waist.
I have no hair goal length. I just decided to let it grow to see at what length I can still wear it loose without it being a pain and have it still looking, what I consider, to be good.
Around Christmas time, my sister-in-law, who rarely comments about anyone's hair, said that longer hair looks good on me. Nice. I had been trying to grow it longer for a while but my now former stylist, would always wind up maintaining my length at what he considered my best length, when I went for a trim.
I put up with that while I dealt with stabilizing my breakage level over the last 2 years but that became more than just a nuisance, over the last 1.5 years, when I did, because it became a challenge that I did not need. He and I had discussions about what we both considered an inch trim. He always managed to take off more. When I used to have ratty ends between trims, I did not mind. That changed.
He is a friend though, with a heart of gold and the trade off was, among other things, that he was/is a very kind person, who would always be generous in ways that count, more than his opinion on my ideal hair length.
I do not keep a hair blog and I am fairly private, when it comes to details about my personal life. This thread is a close as it gets to a blog, for me.
UPDATE.....
My hair is absolutely fine after coloring, no difference in before and after, because of catnip and coconut/argan oils as a pretreatment. HOORAY!!!
I will say though, that I believe I was right about the catnip and it's contribution to protecting my hair from the color. I think that using the catnip on a regular basis for the month or so prior to coloring this time helped my breakage and strengthened my hair so that the oils could do their job better.
Also, I noticed that while I had more shedding the day of color (which I expected) I had MUCH LESS the day after when I used my DW and catnip again.
Just to be clear, did you use catnip on your hair and then the oils?Quote:
Originally Posted by rymorg2
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by ktani
The wash prior to coloring I did not use catnip to keep the catnip from affecting the dye uptake. Then the night before I used the coconut and argan oils. I didn't use catnip again until the day after coloring.
A tip from the hair obsessed (in my case, getting the sides even and straight, never mind breakage ) when doing any form of self trim.
Do the trim only at a time when you are calm. Think it through as to how and what you want.
Last trim was an impulse and I was not calm enough to avoid re trimming a piece of hair that I deliberately made shorter for effect.
No harm done and I did not over trim too much, just enough for it to difficult to put my hair up and have that piece stay up, until it grew in to the length I originally had in mind.
:cheese:Quote:
Originally Posted by rymorg2
Makes sense. Thank you.
I believe you are right on about the effect catnip has on hair strength and condition, based on my hair and experience with it.
Nice to know that effect contributes to helping with results from something like conventional demi hair colour.
You're quite welcome ktani. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ktani
Notes on definative hair terminology as I understand it.
Years ago, I had hair hair samples sent into Redken for analysis, before Redken was bought out by L'oreal, when I had a damage problem (lots of breakage and hair fraying) that turned out to be caused by overuse of their Hair Cleansing Cream shampoo formula, at that time.
6 hairs from different parts of my head were sent in, with the bulb attached, more than one time.
What surprised me was not the results (or the cause of my problem) but how they defined my hair.
Medium not fine. That is based on the diameter of the hair shaft, not the coarseness of any given hair, or its condition.
I have always been told that I have fine hair and I have no doubt that some of my hair is fine, by that definition. Their definition, was based on the hair samples they received.
Coarse hair can be the result of a number of things; genetics, mechanical damage, coatings, chemical abuse, weathering etc., and is the hair's texture.
That is not the same as hair shaft diameter.
Thin or thick hair or something in between, is based on the actual number of hair folicles.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ktani
Here's a little lesson.....:D
The most common assumption or mistake that people make is thinking that "fine" and "thin" mean the same thing....they do not.
Fine, Med. and Coarse describes the diameter of the hair shaft. Thin, medium and thick describes the amount of hairs on the head.
For instance, my hair is fine. Each individual hair is hard to see, and hard to feel in between your fingers. But it's thick in that I have a TON of it. I have probably 3 times the normal amount of hairs on my head.
Medium can also be called normal in regards to the density of the hair (How much is on the head)....the diameter of each hair is also called texture. Texture and density are what a stylist looks at to recommend things.
Ah, so, texture is a measure of hair shaft diameter. Interesting, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by rymorg2
But coarse can also be a result of damage in terms of description and be the result of damage, so my fine hair can be damaged and feel course?
Yes, coarse can also mean how it feels to the touch, if it is damaged. Coarse in that sense means rough. But it will still be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by ktani
Thanks. So if the terms are used loosely it can get confusing. Great, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by rymorg2
I usually use the term "dry" or "rough" or "crunchy" to describe the feeling that coarse would give normally. That way I don't confuse people overmuch.Quote:
Originally Posted by ktani
That makes more sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by rymorg2
I noticed that unless I use the catnip on dry hair as a soak for a half hour to an hour that it doesn't soften or condition as well as when I put it on wet.
I think I am going to have to put it on my hair dry next time not wet.
I will have to invest in a shower cap for this though, it will be much akin to condition only washing I would wager?
KJ
Catnip has always worked best for me, the longer I have left it on. I can get away with less time by now, and have but rarely do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keenkitty
I have an observation.
Doing the second wash with catnip only has been helping. Doing catnip shampoos only does not work; I use too much in the way of oils for it to remove them. But one DW wash diluted followed by one Catnip wash, and a last treatment of an hour or more....that's heaven for my hair.
I looked through my hair's ends today. I don't have a lot of damage now, and what I do have is just bent at an angle and not truly split or knotted or anything like that from what I could see. I'll take angles....they're easier to deal with. :cheese:
That is excellent! I also found that that to be true. The angled ends on my hair are not as fragile either, when I stress them, mechanically. However, I got a little too over zealous my last wash and used too much catnip in my "catnip shampoo". The result was my hair separated more than I like.Quote:
Originally Posted by rymorg2
Yes, there's a fine line for my hair between too much and too little separation.Quote:
Originally Posted by ktani