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I recently tried my Mellie's Mix again because my hair was getting really dark from multiple full-length hennas. So, after I did just a roots-only Dark Brown Rainbow henna to cover my gray roots, I immediately followed that up with my Mellie's Mix for approx. 1 hour (no lemon per Ktani!). Here's my before and after:
Before:
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ictureid=11348
After:
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ictureid=11349
mellie
Thank you for posting your new pictures.
Mellie's Mix does not have a honey booster in it. The mullein and Roman chamomile may contribute to the lightening but neither one has a peroxide value.
Yet, with its 4 to 1 liquid to honey dilution, the mix can still lighten multiple layers of henna and whatever other plant colours are in Rainbow Dark Brown Henna, because IMO, you got the maximum alfalfa honey peroxide value, in the 1 hour.
Your results this time are not as startling as your previous results - you did not have as many henna layers though, on your hair previously.
That does make a difference.
I can definitely see that your hair is lighter - on the areas where you did not do a fresh henna application - your length and ends.
I´ve been in this last month or month and a half making honey treatments. I took a while to understand about the dilution but anyway it also took a while to see some real difference. I was also making the mistake of giving a apple vinegar rinse and that was giving me brassiness and so it seamed that my hair was dark and brassy (it was inicially a bit but not as much).
My natural colour is a medium blonde that can go really light in the summer.
Right now i have about 4 inches of virgin hair (growing since October 2007) and the rest of it is chemically dyed with a semi permanent colour.
My goal was to take away as much of the brassy colour (the semi-permanent was a lot golden by itself) as well as make my roots combining better with the lenght
Ktani is the one that has been helping me, we all now that.
I have to thank her and also the LHC to make me believe that my colour would get better and that the best thing was to wait instead of running to the hairdresser ;)
This is the last results...
My hair was washed from the day before and had a lemon rinse (that was a bit drying and with that i dont know if it helped the honey to get inside the hair cuticle).
This was my mix:
1 soap spoon of Honey
5 soap spoon of VO5 Conditioner
1 full desert spoon cinnamon or half soap spoon ?
1 egg yolk
Left it in my hair for two hours and then washed my hair REALLY well, three times shampoo (Aubrey Organics) and a deep conditioning. I could see instantly the difference in my colour and brassiness after it started to dry (it was night already but i could see it) and today i confirmed it. My roots were more simillar to the rest of it and my hair was a bit lighter.
Today i went to the beach so the second picture is after and i havent washed my hair yet so im sorry...messy messy hair.
Before:
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...nwings/a-7.jpg
After:
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/j...nwings/me2.jpg
(i couldnt do any better picture than this last one because i had no batery)
brokenwings
Thank you so much for posting your recipe and pictures.
Your hair is a lot lighter. That is what the 4 to 1 liquid to honey dilution + a honey booster like cinnamon can do - even on previously chemically dyed hair.
Your results are consistant with firebird's. Her hair was chemically lightened before she started honey lightening too - and you both used cinnamon in your latest mixes.
I had not realized that you had a golden semi-permanent colour on your hair as well as getting darker tones from the apple cider vinegar at one point.
The lemon juice rinse, used before the honey lightening treatment and rinsed out, I do not think had an effect on the honey and the hair cuticles but it would have made the conditioner go deeper into your hair to condition it, which is a good thing.
You can continue to do honey lightening as often as you wish.
I suggest that you do not continue doing the lemon rinses though. I do not think that you need them.
Your hair looks beautiful!
How is the condition of your hair now?
Ktani,
thank you so much!
Well yes i had a semi-permanent put in my hair in October, or should i call it an intensive toner? I could see a very diferent colour tone comparing to my natural colour (in my pictures). My natural colour is a golden one but not GOLD as it was with that semi...
About the cider vinegar its not about having it darker but when the hair goes brassy it seams darker to me because its not "clean" (sorry again about the bad explanation)
Ktani i think that its not about the lemon itself but the fact that dry hair is more ansious for conditioning and it absorves everything you put in your hair, am i right or is this my imagination? But i only did the lemon rinse that time to try it out ehe ;)
im missing so badly my jojoba oil! I went to Madeira and left it on Lisbon and i really can see the difference at my ends without it. I think that my hair goes dryer with the shampoo rotine (that i have to make with these treatments), i usually would use shampoo just about twice a week and i´ve been using it more and so i can feel a bit of dryness for that. But with the honey treatment i could feel i needed some oil but the conditioning was really good (for me two different things...oiling and conditioning)
brok3nwings, your hair looks much lighter! If you feel that your hair is dry after the honey and needs some oil, you could try adding a little oil to the honey mixture next time you do a treatment. EVOO is great as it also lightens :) When I do not use EVOO in my mixture, I often have to oil the ends, but when I do add it, I don't. Maybe this would help you next time?
You are most welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by brok3nwings
I am glad the the condition of your hair is good following the honey lightening.
You can try to do just a weak white vinegar rinse following the treatment - you do not have to do both a shampoo and a vinegar rinse afterward.
As to the lemon rinse result - the dryness can make the hair more porous - it depends on the hair.
If you want - you could do a separate lemon juice treatment -1 tablespoon of lemon juice to 3 tablespoons of conditioner - leave that on you hair for a while and just rinse it out. Do not add honey to that for lightening.
Honey and lemon juice do not play well together for lightening hair color.
I understand what you mean about oiling your ends.
I hope that you can get some jojoba oil soon.
firebird
I did not see your post.
You are right - it is an excellent idea to add EVOO to brok3nwings's honey lightening recipe.
Doing that not only adds an extra booster, with cinnamon already in the mix but extra conditioning to the recipe as well.
ktani but isnt it true that in the beginning of this thread it wasnt a good thing to use conditioners that contained too much oils? If that continues to be true why dont EVO interfer negatively to the lightening?
brok3nwings
That was and is true - it very much depends though on what oils.
Some conditioners have oil derivatives, extra silicone oils that are heavy and thickeners - including hydrogenated oils - oils that are in more of a solid form.
I know that extra oils along with extra waxy ingredients and film formers can interfere with honey lightening but it is difficult to pinpoint which oils and forms of oil specifically that can do that.
Recently, castor oil, often found in hair conditioners, has been reported elsewhere and suspected here, to darken hair colour.
In order for it to do that in a conditioner, there would have to be a lot of it present.
I think that it is much better to use a light conditioner and be in control of the amount of oil and the kind of oil that you want to add to the recipe. The less processed the oil the better, IMO.
EVOO and coconut oil are recommended because of their peroxide values - EVOO having the highest peroxide value among vegetable oils.
Both oils have the added bonus of being excellent conditioning oils and have been reported to work very well in honey lightening recipes with no problems.
EVOO has been recommended from the beginning of this thread.
Coconut oil is now recommended to replace coconut cream - it works just as well and is easier to find.
In both cases, I recommend not using too much oil.
It can be difficult to wash oil out of the hair, when you do that.