Serious bleaching problem? Need help

[Of the Fae]

Hey :)

Well, I just did something stupid.
I decided to pre bleach my hair (that had henna and a permanent dye), in order to do a bright colour rinse (something like manic panic).. Well, I knew my hair would turn orange, as I've been here before, but it has turned elastic!
When I noticed, I immediately rinsed out the bleach and applied lots of conditioner. It's drying now. Is there any way to solve this? Do I need to cut it all off? (That would be awful as I'm almost bsl..)
It seems to get a little bit better when it's dry, but it's still there.
Any help? My hair lóoks fine, apart from orange, but that doesn;t matter since I'll be colouring it violet.
Any ideas?

Thanks in advance, I'm a little freaked out about this. I've heard the hair may just fall out, but this has not happened (yet).

I reposted this here, I hope eitherway I can still apply my violet colourrinse.. it says to be conditioning, and it will stop my hair from being.. wel neon orange.

[Tisiloves]

You need a lot of protein, get thee to the eggs/protein pack.

[Of the Fae]

Would that make my hair less stretchy?
Egg mask?
Thanks fellow knight :)

[Tisiloves]

Egg/mayo, avocado, yoghurt, basically if it has a ton of protein in it and you can get it on your hair it should work. Just remember to add some oil for moisture/easier wash out and not to rinse out egg based treatments with hot water (scrambled egg hair :shudder:)

[Of the Fae]

Thanks a lot! I just got me some eggs :P

[Anje]

Yes, protein protein protein at this point. Follow your protein treatments with moisture treatments so your hair doesn't get dry.

I've heard good things about soaking in dilute (like 1 Tbsp per cup of water) low-sodium soy sauce. That's got hydrolyzed protein, which means it's been broken down into small pieces that will attach to the hair better. Larger proteins like egg will probably have less effect.

On a less natural front, start looking for conditioners that call themselves "reconstructors" as these are usually heavy on the protein. Aphogee in particular is supposed to make an excellent and extremely intense protein treatment -- I recommend you seek that out, as it might make the difference between having to cut your hair or not.

[Of the Fae]

I have a repair conditioner from Wella. I'm not sure if it contains proteïn. How is it listed on the back? Any scientific name?

[meteor]

I second protein treatments, also things like henna, cassia, and herbal (tea) rinses coat and strengthen the hair and will help with stretchy, elastic hair.
Definitely, do NOT cut it. It CAN be saved.

[Tigermama]

I used Emergencee by Nexxus. It does coat the hair and make far less porous, but is probably far from natural. It worked to save the hair from breaking for me.

[Of the Fae]

I am never ever using henna again, I'm simply too fickle! But I still have cassia. Good tip, I will try that!
I'm from Holland, I don't believe they have Nexxus products there. However, I may find another repairing hair mask with the same ingredients.

[afu]

Definitly go for as much protein as you can, when looking at ingredients look for things starting with 'hydrolysed', or it may just straight out say protein. There is debate on whether protein from eggs is actually too big too enter hair but you might as well give it a try, also I've read things that say amino acids are too small and won't stay in the cuticle - so you are best looking for hydrolysed proteins which are at a size somewhere in between those

[akilina]

Ooooohhh :(
Well, Just baby your hair at this point. And protein too as others have mentioned. Don't over protein though because sometimes it will start snapping ( have experienced this)
You might be able to make the best of it and baby it and trim out damage but Just like a split end...you can never mend the split end back together into one piece of hair.
Hopefully you have some luck with it!
I don't really know what your ultimate hair goal is at this point but some sort of veggie dye would be a nice filler for your hair. Or henna.

[cmg]

urghh, I know the feeling. You have got some great advices already. If you want to use the cassia, I suggest you keep the mix soft and not dry or pasty. This will make the hair settle in positions after having the mix on for hours and perhaps snap at those points, if really brittle. Mix the cassia with just a little oil or condish or something. Mayo perhaps. When of the consistency of mustard or softer, then it will probably be fine.

In these cases also honey has given good results. There is glucose in the hair as well as sulphur, so honey can repair some of the broken bonds if they go deep enough. Good luck with pampering your hair!

/ CMG

[GoldberryHair]

The new "Keratise" (or however you spell it) by Pantene would be really good. Sometimes I use it and it gives me TOO much protein lol and it's cheap (and it's Suave!! lol)

[Of the Fae]

Well, I used a direct deposit dye, before that a mask of cassia, soy milk and egg. My hair is now very dry and brittle, but not gummy when dry, so I guess I'll go for moisturising treatments now and order manic panic. I use Crazy Colour right now, a chemical semi permanent. It says to be conditioning :P But I added a little conditioner on my ends when putting it in, it helped a little.
Now I'm going to put it up and baby it, do a little microtrim and hope all will be well ! I'm happy I could at least obtain my desired colour. I managed to get an electrical violet. It looks absolutely amazing, I'll post pics in the conventional dye thread, where I had also reposted this thread (because I didn't know if this was a henna problem or a bleach problem)

[Loviatar]

Crazy Colour is fantastically conditioning. I used it recently and am going to use it as a conditioning treatment now my hair is black.

Good protein masks I have used (I used to bleach a LOT)

Osmo deep repair mask
MOP extreme protein (has avocado in it)
Joico k-pak reconstructor
TiGi Bed Head Dumb Blonde reconstructor for after bleaching
Hask henna and placenta treatment
Dabur Vatika egg protein mask

Keep treating it - you may find that as you go on, your hair feels 'gummy' again when you wash. Mine did. Bleach has broken down the protein bonds in your hair and you need to repair them and keep them repaired.

If you ever bleach again, bleach over coconut-oil-soaked hair. Coconut oil can help your hair to resist the protein loss. I never had gummy hair post-bleaching since I discovered coconut oil. There is a big thread about it on here somewhere too.

Best of luck.

[cmg]

Well, I used a direct deposit dye, before that a mask of cassia, soy milk and egg.
Any chance to get a reciepe, please :yumm:

/ CMG

[Of the Fae]

Any chance to get a reciepe, please :yumm:

/ CMG


Sure :) it's simple: Just put cassia, one egg and equal parts hot water and soy milk in a bowl, mix it and smear it in :)

[cmg]

Thanks. I will try that next time. :) I make my own soymilk BTW, so this is totally my philosophy.

/ CMG

[jojo]

aphogee 2 step is a brilliant protein treatment that sorts the most damaged hair out, cheaper on eBay but it makes hair soft and shiny again

[red-again]

in future and for when you bleach the roots ( if you dare) it may be worth in your case using pravana vivvids in the purple they do ( wild orchid I think) as that contains protein so it will give your hair a boost as soon as possible. My hair hates protein and was a crunchy mess for a week after pravans, it was never elastic though!
Good luck

[Alvrodul]

Low-sodium soy sauce can also be used as a protein treatment! Mix a teaspoonful or so with a bit of water and put it on your hair.

[cmg]

Low-sodium soy sauce can also be used as a protein treatment! Mix a teaspoonful or so with a bit of water and put it on your hair.
Makes me think of soy milk. Would that contain more or less protein than soy sauce? I'm guessing soy milk contains more.

/ CMG

[10000days]

I like to think of myself as the Queen of Elastic Hair. I used to over-bleach my hair like crazy (from many box-dyed layers of black to "blonde"). I ended up having orange hair that was elastic (meaning that if I pulled on it when wet it would just tear apart). It shouldn't "fall out," as in, it shouldn't fall out from the roots because hair near the roots has usually been exposed to fewer dyes/bleaches/products so it's healthier- so don't worry about going bald. I think when people say their hair is "falling out" they mean "pulling/ripping apart."

It depends on the damage that's been done, but my advice is do not just go for a major cut. You'll be happier with longer hair that's damaged than short hair. You can help it by:
1. Not brushing when it's wet- EVER.
2. Use a detangler spray once your hair is dry or close-to-dry and very, very gently brush the knots out. Never pull on your hair, it will just tear the strands vertically and you'll end up having millions of flyaways.
3. Take the protein advice given. I once bought a Kerastase leave-in hair mask (which was a protein repair thing) and it worked wonders. But it's really expensive and I'm pretty sure natural remedies are just as good.
4. Lather on water-based moisture sprays/creams then seal it all in with an oil-based product. IMPORTANT: Never let your hair be dry. Like...if you're at home and your hair looks a little dry, don't just leave it like that- moisturise and oil it!

Good luck!

[Mayflowers]

Should be more like never bleaching again. That is the most damaging of all that you could possibly do to your hair.
I did that once in high school. My sister bleached my hair and it started to feel gummy. I couldn't even comb it. I waited a few days and kept putting conditioner on it ...wella balsam at the time, extra strength. I got to where I could actually comb it. I waited a month and then dyed it back to brown. I never bleached again. Hair is a living thing .. we can't just dump poisons on it and expect it to look beautiful.
You'd be better off just using henna and nothing else. Your hair will thank you.

[AnnaB]

I'm in exactly the same place myself, although the bleaching was done in hairdressers. I asked her if my hair was over processed as it looked all stingy. And her reply was ' No look its like silk when its dry' DEFINITELY IS NOT LIKE SILK. I have been trying to repair the damage ever since.

I mix egg with olive oil and honey. AND lots of oiling to keep hair moisturised.

One thing for sure that I will never ever use chemical dyes on my hair again, especially bleach!

[Diamond.Eyes]

It really sounds like you need a protein filler. Aphoge makes a "Two-step protein treatment" that can be found at Sally's beauty supply. The scent of it isn't very pleasant, but I have watched clients with trashed bleached out hair come to my sister (who is a hair dresser) and she uses the Aphoge treatment and their hair feels and looks so awesome afterward. I have personally experienced this product once when I used it on my friend and her hair was wonderful afterward. Hope this helps. :flower: