Honeysuckle Rose conditioner NEW recipe

[Phalaenopsis]

Has anyone tried the honeysuckle rose conditioner from Aubrey Organics with the new recipe? I'm really panicking about losing the conditioners that saved my hair. The same with the GPB, they changed the recipe...

INGREDIENTS INCI: Aqua, cetyl alcohol, alcohol denat. (38b, lavender*), butyrospermum parkii (shea butter)*, triticum vulgare (wheat) germ oil, lonicera caprifolium (honeysuckle) extract, aloe barbadensis (aloe) leaf juice*, glycerin, simmondsia chinensis (jojoba) seed oil*, rosa rubignosa (Rosa Mosqueta®) seed oil*, citrus grandis (grapefruit) extract, tocopheryl acetate, foeniculum vulgare (fennel) fruit extract, humulus lupulus (hops) extract, melissa officinalis (balm mint) leaf extract, chamomilla recutita (matricaria) extract, glycine soja (soybean) oil, daucus carota sativa (carrot) root extract, beta-carotene, hamamelis virginiana (witch hazel) water, angelica archangelica extract, chrysanthemum sinense flower extract, magnolia biondii flower extract, ascorbic acid. *Organic

The old recipe was this:
Ingredients: Coconut fatty acid cream base, organic aloe vera, organic shea butter, wheat germ oil, organic jojoba oil, organic rosa mosqueta® rose hip seed oil; extracts of fennel, hops, balm mint, mistletoe, camomile, yarrow, chrysanthemum, angelica, forsythia and magnolia; honeysuckle oil, carrot oil, aubrey’s preservative (citrus seed extract, vitamins A, C and E).

[rock007junkie]

That really sucks! I'm worried about the alcohol denat (which is a drying alcohol) being up so high on the ingredient list. Don't get why they had to change such an awesome conditioner.

[Siiri]

Are you sure the ingredients have actually changed, or is just that the labeling is now more accurate? I mean if you look at the old labeling, to me it seems pretty vague...What is "Coconut fatty acid cream base" for instance? Maybe the old one already had alcohol denat. in that cream base along with cetyl alcohol etc?

You could sent them email and ask.

[hazelscythe]

I am worried about the new recipe too. I still have a bottle of the old formula left but I have since switched exclusively to coconut oil for conditioning.
I do use the shampoo with the new ingredients and did not notice a difference.

[brave]

I read somewhere that it has likely NOT changed, that they have just changed their label to be more in-line with what is expected. See here (http://www.thenaturalhavenbloom.com/2012/03/aubrey-organics-honeysuckle-rose-have.html) and here. (http://www.thenaturalhavenbloom.com/2010/06/aubrey-organics-ingredients-order.html)

[pepperminttea]

I read somewhere that it has likely NOT changed, that they have just changed their label to be more in-line with what is expected. See here (http://www.thenaturalhavenbloom.com/2012/03/aubrey-organics-honeysuckle-rose-have.html) and here. (http://www.thenaturalhavenbloom.com/2010/06/aubrey-organics-ingredients-order.html)

I don't know, it's a different order too, so the quantities or ratios look to have been messed with at least. :shrug: I also can't spot glycerin anywhere in the older ingredients list.

[Phalaenopsis]

I don't know, it's a different order too, so the quantities or ratios look to have been messed with at least. :shrug: I also can't spot glycerin anywhere in the older ingredients list.
Yes, that what's worrying me.
And in this review if you read all the way down, people are saying it doesn't work as well in the comments too:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R31GCR97M3URK6/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R31GCR97M3URK6

Still, brave, I really really really hope you're right :pray:

I had the lavender ylang ylang version of the GPB and the regular versioni. The lavender version had the "new" listing, the GPB the old one. I remember I found there was difference between the two and the I liked the original more...

[cheetahfast]

I own the old one...it's perfect. On Monday I will be searching every whole foods I can get to for more of the old one, just in case the old formula is not brought back.

Why did they add witch hazel...isn't that drying?!? :confused:

[UncommonTart]

Are you sure the ingredients have actually changed, or is just that the labeling is now more accurate? I mean if you look at the old labeling, to me it seems pretty vague...What is "Coconut fatty acid cream base" for instance? Maybe the old one already had alcohol denat. in that cream base along with cetyl alcohol etc?

You could sent them email and ask.


I read somewhere that it has likely NOT changed, that they have just changed their label to be more in-line with what is expected. See here (http://www.thenaturalhavenbloom.com/2012/03/aubrey-organics-honeysuckle-rose-have.html) and here. (http://www.thenaturalhavenbloom.com/2010/06/aubrey-organics-ingredients-order.html)


The official line seems to be that they've updated the lables to make them more accurate, which may be partially true, but they don't actually deny changing the formula at the same time, either. For whatever it's worth, I was a dedicated Honeysuckle Rose user for 10+ years, and I've had to give it up because it is different. The "new" stuff is different in appearance, consistency, and effectiveness, and it contains soybean oil, which I am allergic to. The old formula was creamy and smooth, about the consistency of room-temperature butter, and totally opaque with a slight almost pearly sheen. The new one is gooey- almost sticky even, and slightly translucent. It doesn't "melt" into my hair the way the old one did, doesn't detangle anywhere near as well, and afterward my hair felt coated and slightly sticky, as well as being much more tangle-prone. (This is pretty much on par for my experiences with using products containing glycerine on my hair or skin.) I used to use a bit of the old formula mixed with some coconut and jojoba oils as a leave in, but when I tried that with this stuff I just got a sticky tangle-prone mess and an itchy rash on my neck and ears (soy allergy). Since I was so used to it being "safe", it wasn't until then that I actually thought to check the ingredients for soy, which is totally my own fault- I know well enough that "always check for sensitivities with new products" also applies to old products with suspiciously "new" formulas. :o

[Phalaenopsis]

Thank you for confirming UncommonTart.
I'm glad I know for sure now. Although it makes me so incredibly disappointed in the company. I will not be buying a thing from them again.

[Phalaenopsis]

By the way: I have send an angry mail to them telling them they've lost a customer because of this. I can only advise for other HS lovers to do the same (or to at least show dissatisfaction). Or GPB lovers, because that one got changed too...

[UncommonTart]

I did the same when I discovered the formula change. I didn't get (or really expect) any reply, but maybe if enough people do so they'll think better of the change and "fix" the conditioner. (Hey, I can dream, can't I?)

[swearnsue]

I really like the old formula, the ingredients were fairly simple. I would rather they increase the price if that was the problem instead of putting in cheaper chemicals. If they are going to put junk in their conditioner then I'd rather just buy the VO5 stuff for 97 cents.

[Phalaenopsis]

I did the same when I discovered the formula change. I didn't get (or really expect) any reply, but maybe if enough people do so they'll think better of the change and "fix" the conditioner. (Hey, I can dream, can't I?)
I was dreaming/hoping the same, but well yeah, I doubt they will :(

Maybe indeed if enough people send dissatisfaction mails... Please people, please do if you loved the HS conditioner!

[cnd0020]

I bought my first bottle of Honeysuckle Rose a few weeks ago. Luckily, it's the old formula. But not so luckily, I know I can't get too attached to it because of the formula change. Womp womp.

[swearnsue]

It makes me want to try even more to just use single ingredients that I can buy from a store, like baby oil or olive oil. But I'm going to contact the Aubrey Organics company and explain why I'm disapointed(actually pissed off but I won't say it like that!) in their formula change.

[brave]

The official line seems to be that they've updated the lables to make them more accurate, which may be partially true, but they don't actually deny changing the formula at the same time, either. For whatever it's worth, I was a dedicated Honeysuckle Rose user for 10+ years, and I've had to give it up because it is different. The "new" stuff is different in appearance, consistency, and effectiveness, and it contains soybean oil, which I am allergic to. The old formula was creamy and smooth, about the consistency of room-temperature butter, and totally opaque with a slight almost pearly sheen. The new one is gooey- almost sticky even, and slightly translucent. It doesn't "melt" into my hair the way the old one did, doesn't detangle anywhere near as well, and afterward my hair felt coated and slightly sticky, as well as being much more tangle-prone. (This is pretty much on par for my experiences with using products containing glycerine on my hair or skin.) I used to use a bit of the old formula mixed with some coconut and jojoba oils as a leave in, but when I tried that with this stuff I just got a sticky tangle-prone mess and an itchy rash on my neck and ears (soy allergy). Since I was so used to it being "safe", it wasn't until then that I actually thought to check the ingredients for soy, which is totally my own fault- I know well enough that "always check for sensitivities with new products" also applies to old products with suspiciously "new" formulas. :o
Damn!

That does not make me happy. I just bought the second-to-last bottle at my health food store, and I should have bought the last one too. I only just discovered this conditioner too, and I love the smell and feel and everything. :( I didn't want to believe this.

[Natalia]

hmm i wonder if i could use it again i developed a reaction to the old formula. im sorry you may have lot a good product though. i feel that way about the giovanni leave in i just gave in and bought a sample last month and they go and change the dang formula on me after i fall in love!

[Ishje]

I have send them an email too, explaining my disappointment.

[Phalaenopsis]

I have send them an email too, explaining my disappointment.

Thank you :flower:

[Ishje]

I got mail back from them! here it is:

Thank you for contacting Aubrey. We have not changed the formula. The
formula is now in INIC labeling, were as before only the common terms
were listed. We are truly excited to have this labeling practice
implemented as it lets you know every component of the formula providing
complete transparency. Please check out the attached letter of
explanation.

Please let us know if you have any questions.

Have a great day!

Thank you,
Aubrey Team

[cuties]

I don't know about new and old packaging but I have been utterly disappointed by this conditioner. It does nothing for my hair. In general except for GBP conditioner, none of Aubrey products actually work for me.

[Phalaenopsis]

I got mail back from them! here it is:

Thank you for contacting Aubrey. We have not changed the formula. The
formula is now in INIC labeling, were as before only the common terms
were listed. We are truly excited to have this labeling practice
implemented as it lets you know every component of the formula providing
complete transparency. Please check out the attached letter of
explanation.

Please let us know if you have any questions.

Have a great day!

Thank you,
Aubrey Team

I got this too. But I replied:

Dear Aubrey Organics,

they have changed. Yarrow isn't the same as glycerine, even though both ingredients give slip to the hair. There is no mistletoe in the list. And suddenly there's cheap soyabean oil in the ingredients. There's witch hazel in it, instead of forsythia. They are not the same.
Other long haired people on the forums have stated that they noticed the change, when using the bottle with the new listing of ingredients.

Please look at this, a woman giving a review on amazon. She clearly noticed the difference:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R31GCR97M3URK6/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R31GCR97M3URK6

I'm not inclined to believe that it hasn't changed.

[Ishje]

unfortunately I don't know enough about the ingredients to have a discussion with them.
but I certainly hope you will get an answer back, and I hope you will inform us about what they have to say :)

I am inclined to order a bottle of the new formula and see how it works :)

*edit*

I wrote them a mail back, telling them my doubts about their statement.
I also asked if there where testers available of the honeysuckle rose :)

[Vampyria]

I got mail back from them! here it is:

Thank you for contacting Aubrey. We have not changed the formula. The
formula is now in INIC labeling, were as before only the common terms
were listed. We are truly excited to have this labeling practice
implemented as it lets you know every component of the formula providing
complete transparency. Please check out the attached letter of
explanation.

Please let us know if you have any questions.

Have a great day!

Thank you,
Aubrey Team

These are the old INCI ingredients: Aqua,Butyrospernum parkii*,Cetyl Alcohol,Aloe barbadensis*,Glyceryl Linoleate,Glyceryl Linolenate, Glycerin,Triticum vulgare oil,Hamamelis Virginiana,Simmondsia chinensis*,Rosa moschata oil*,Foeniculum vulgare,Hydrolized Lactalbumin,Humulus lupulus extract, Melissa officinalis extract,Viscum album extract,Anthemis nobilis extract, Achillea millefolium extract,Chrysanthemum parthenium extract,Angelica acutiloba extract, Forsythia suspensa fruit extract,Magnolia biondii extract, Lonicera japonica oil,Tocopherol Acetate,Retinyl Palmitate,Daucus carota oil,Citrus grandis,Retinyl acetate,Ascorbic acid.

So they had INCI labeling before and that didn't change, but formula did.:mad:

I noticed that some new AO conditioners have alcohol denat., so I was avoiding them.
Recently I bought a new bottle of honeysuckle (meanwhile I was using GPB, because the store didn't have honeysuckle, but I didn't like it that much).

I shampooed, rinsed, put the conditioner on my hair and left it for about 20 minutes like always. When I rinsed and my hair dried it didn't fell as soft as ussual but kind of rough, and a bit dry.

I checked the ingredients after reading this thread, but my bottle still has the old ingredients listed. I don't know, is my hair weird or the conditioner is.:shrug: And the store where I buy it still has the old ingredients on their web page.

But I'm not sure what am I going to use now, because that was the only conditioner was really amazing for my hair. :( I always wanted to try John Masters Organics but their products are so expensive.

EDIT: I have also sent them mail.

[Natalia]

just wanted to add that a good place to find discontinued prroducts/formulas is the sample section. not convenient if you use it in shower but great if you do damp bunning or as a leave in/deep treat

[cheetahfast]

I went to 6 stores and could not find the old formula!!

I'm angry...they will be getting a call, a letter, and an email from me.
Seriously not cool!!

Ugh. It will wait until morning since I have to wake up early to write a last last last minute final paper.

I will write though...I swear I will!!

[Phalaenopsis]

Someone about the GPB conditioner on Amazon:
BEWARE!!!
All of the Aubrey products that had the lovely fatty coconut acid.
Here is the new formula with hair damaging alcohol. What a scam. I had used Aubrey before and had beautiful results. I ordered another bottle and it damaged my hair so badly I had to cut it all off. All the good reviews are from the old formula. Do not be tricked. Do not use this garbage.

So clearly, it has changed. It's all a bit too coincidental

[cheetahfast]

Angry email sent!!

[Ishje]

I got an email back from them, they are willing to send a tester, but unfortunately to a US address.
witch does not help me much, as a European costumer.

that bothers me, as well as that they are probably not telling the truth about their products.
I don't see why I would use products from a company that has to lie about this sort of thing.
after all, as a costumer I would find out soon enough if their products have changed or not.

[Phalaenopsis]

I got an email back from them, they are willing to send a tester, but unfortunately to a US address.
witch does not help me much, as a European costumer.

that bothers me, as well as that they are probably not telling the truth about their products.
I don't see why I would use products from a company that has to lie about this sort of thing.
after all, as a costumer I would find out soon enough if their products have changed or not.

I haven't had a reply yet. I think I sent it before you :/ Hmm, maybe they are ignoring me because they know I'm on to them.

[UpNorth]

Oh:( I just discovered HS and my hair loves it but it is the old formula, short relationship then. I will send them an angry email too, this is NOT ok!

[Ishje]

I haven't had a reply yet. I think I sent it before you :/ Hmm, maybe they are ignoring me because they know I'm on to them.

or maybe your mail is harder to awnser ;)
I hope you will still get a reply, I am also quite sure you sent your mail before I did.

[Mairéad]

I don't know what would possess anyone to put alcohol (the non-fatty kind) in ANY kind of care product. Hair creams, facial toners, whatever. I can't think of any appealing beauty quality it could possibly possess. All it does is dry the living heck out of you. I have this saying, "If I can use it to extract DNA then I'm not putting it near my body."

[Phalaenopsis]

So I'm doubting again about the ingredients...

I used the GPB lavender ylang ylang conditioner a year ago and it was nice. It already had the new list of ingredients. Now I'm wondering if some of the people just got a bottle that was off?

I keep looking and thinking, hoping and praying... Because the aubrey conditioners were the best I've had.

[cheetahfast]

So I'm doubting again about the ingredients...

I used the GPB lavender ylang ylang conditioner a year ago and it was nice. It already had the new list of ingredients. Now I'm wondering if some of the people just got a bottle that was off?

I keep looking and thinking, hoping and praying... Because the aubrey conditioners were the best I've had.

Hmmm, I don't know.
I bought a bottle of the old formula the other day, I wasn't even looking for it anymore.

They still haven't answered my email...

[Vampyria]

So I'm doubting again about the ingredients...

I used the GPB lavender ylang ylang conditioner a year ago and it was nice. It already had the new list of ingredients. Now I'm wondering if some of the people just got a bottle that was off?

I keep looking and thinking, hoping and praying... Because the aubrey conditioners were the best I've had.

I also didn't get the answer yet.
Well I bought the old honeysuckle 3 weeks ago, but it felt a lot different. My hair felt really rough. Otherwise that conditioner made my hair so soft. Maybe the formula was already different, even before they changed the bottles. :shrug: Or am I just being paranoid...

I tried Island Naturals (one of the newer ones with alcohol denat) and it was like I used nothing at all. And it's suppose to be for dry hair.

I guess your hair also likes the new recipe.
But I'm going to start looking for the new conditioner, when I run out of the old GPB. :(

[GabrielleRose]

This stinks! I was just about to go back to these conditioners but they went and changed it which seems to happen to me a lot.

I went to my local Whole Foods and the ingredients have indeed changed. :(

[millyaulait]

Oh, no!

I just bought (the new version) this a week ago...

I always wanted to see what the old version was like!

:(

[UpNorth]

now they know I wont return as a customer too.

If they just wanted to make it cheaper they should have make the prices a little higher instead.

[winship2]

I really wonder about the new/old. I bought some of the new the other day, hoping it would still have some better qualities even if the formulation has changed. Never had a chance to use the old stuff. Cannot STAND this-- it makes my hair more tangled, not less, and leaves it with an... odd... texture. Kind of rough and sticky. I'll be returning this and trying some other moisturizing shampoo and conditner. I really like the AO Vegecol face wash, but am not having good experiences with their hair care.

Those of you who are switching from the AOHS, what are you trying instead?

[Vampyria]

The old one was really good. It made my kind of stiff hair really nice and soft.

I would like to try John Masters Organics, but it's really expensive. I was also thinking about Desert essence coconut conditioner, Avalon, Urtekram and Sanctum conditioners (those meant for dry hair).

Almost all AO conditioners now have alcohol denat. I also tried one and it wasn't good. I think AO Rosa Mosqueta conditioner still has the old ingredients (or they just haven't changed them on their site), but it's not available in my country, so I'm done with Aubrey. Unless they changed it back. ;)

[cheetahfast]

Those of you who are switching from the AOHS, what are you trying instead?

I bought the biolage conditioning balm...it's a good deep treatment for me, since it is cone and protein free.

But it is pricey for how I use the AOHS, so it's not a replacement...I'm also going around searching for the bottles with the old label on it...I found one so far (on accident), I just want a few to hold me over :rolleyes:.

[Natalia]

I bought the biolage conditioning balm...it's a good deep treatment for me, since it is cone and protein free.

But it is pricey for how I use the AOHS, so it's not a replacement...I'm also going around searching for the bottles with the old label on it...I found one so far (on accident), I just want a few to hold me over :rolleyes:.

not sure if you know but sally beauty makes a knock off of that condishoner i think it goes by GVP.

[RitaPG]

Are you sure the ingredients have actually changed, or is just that the labeling is now more accurate? I mean if you look at the old labeling, to me it seems pretty vague...What is "Coconut fatty acid cream base" for instance? Maybe the old one already had alcohol denat. in that cream base along with cetyl alcohol etc?

You could sent them email and ask.
Cetyl alcohol is "Coconut fatty acid cream base" :D more specifically, it's a fatty alcohol (non drying) derived from palm or coconut oil. It acts as a thickening agent/emollient. Lots of alcohols are drying but others, like cetyl alcohol, are moisturizing.
Alcohol Denat is a drying one, it's often used in beauty products to prevent kids from eating/drinking because it tastes really bad. It also works as anti foaming, and a solvent for all those ingredients, decreases the viscosity of it.

I see how that ingredient high up on the list is suspicious, but unless that conditioner is making your hair feel dry, I really don't think you have to worry about it. Are the results really that bad? Ingredient wise, apart from the Alcohol Denat up there, it seems like a good product, definitely something I'd try if they had it available in here.

[Phalaenopsis]

I ordered from iHerb like a month ago and thought the package was lost, but today I got my order!
And even though on the iHerb site it shows the new recipe, I still got a bottle with the old one, I'm really happy about that ^^

But I will be ordering a new bottle soon, so I can compare.

[theodora]

I've been meaning to try this conditioner for ages now, but this thread is worrying me. It's hard enough to find and expensive enough that I'm afraid to invest in a bottle that might turn out to dry my hair out...

[Vampyria]

I recommend, that you try to get some samples first.

[theodora]

I didn't know you could get samples but I'll look into it, thanks for the suggestion!

[swearnsue]

I went to the Aubrey Organics website and sent their customer service department an email, well I filled out their form and submitted it. Basically just told them that their old formula worked so well and why would they change it. I ranted a bit. Their customer service web page says to allow 2 weeks for a response, but I mostly just wanted to add my name to the list of dissatisfied customers!

[cheetahfast]

Their customer service web page says to allow 2 weeks for a response, but I mostly just wanted to add my name to the list of dissatisfied customers!

They didn't respond to me at all!!!

[RitaCeleste]

I'm falling in love with cones all over again! AOHR was nice while it lasted, but I tried Pantene Relaxed and Natural and that wasn't bad. I tried a super cheap Dollar General Smooth & Silky and it wasn't bad either. I'm going back to cones, and by using them with oils and leaving them on a long time and not shampooing as much, I get similar results to AOHR.