Chelating shampoo

[Hollyfire3]

OK, I'm back, long rant warning.
My hair is still messed up. I got it to look good finnaly after a week of vinegar rinses in place of conditioner. But now, my hair is back to horrible. I have devised this horrible little theory that every 4 or so washes, my hair looks decent, and it goes down hill from there until 4 washed later. Well, i dont want to have to waash my hair 4 days in a row just for good hair on the 5th day and so on. I was reading this article on clarifying and build-up http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/vbjournal.php?do=article&articleid=194 and i think i have waxy buildup.
I want to try the last suggestion (down on the very bottom, the very last list of things to do) and it mentions clelating shampoo. I do not want to go out and buy this just to find A. it doesnt work at all and B. strips my hair color. suggestions? Comments? Do you think this routine on the bottom would fix ANY possible problems that are wrong with my hair?

[cubiczoeconia]

Chelating shampoo is a deep clarifying shampoo. So, in theory, it will remove buildup. However, it is not color safe, but one application shouldn' hurt too much. It's a good thing to have around to use monthly if you tend to get a lot of buildup.

[jojo]

cheleating shampoos are good for getting rid of mineral build up but I find them clarifying too. I use this one http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=joico+chelating+shampoo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=4104195458723835414&sa=X&ei=DZ3qTpnKKITysgaW2rSwBw&ved=0CIoBEPMCMAM and have never had a problem with colour being stripped, its really gentle on my hair and makes it very soft. But id recommend getting a clarifying shampoo such as tresseme deep clean which isnt too expensive and see how your feels after. Remember to follow with a good moisturising conditioner as they can (I don't find either of these products drying) be drying.

[Hollyfire3]

cheleating shampoos are good for getting rid of mineral build up but I find them clarifying too. I use this one http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=joico+chelating+shampoo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=4104195458723835414&sa=X&ei=DZ3qTpnKKITysgaW2rSwBw&ved=0CIoBEPMCMAM and have never had a problem with colour being stripped, its really gentle on my hair and makes it very soft. But id recommend getting a clarifying shampoo such as tresseme deep clean which isnt too expensive and see how your feels after. Remember to follow with a good moisturising conditioner as they can (I don't find either of these products drying) be drying.


Thanks, so should i buy the joico chelating shampoo or the clarrifying shampoo? I want to use the rotinue listed on the very bottom of the article i posted. Also, i want to be quite certain that this will work to some degree if there is the slight chance it will strip my color.

[Roscata]

Thanks, so should i buy the joico chelating shampoo or the clarrifying shampoo? I want to use the rotinue listed on the very bottom of the article i posted. Also, i want to be quite certain that this will work to some degree if there is the slight chance it will strip my color.

Clarifying is NOT the same as chelating. Chelating only removes mineral build-up, while clarifying removes product build-up (styling products, silicones, etc) and does not remove mineral build-up.

Joico is both chelating and clarifying so you don't have to choose one or the other. I believe that is why it is the most recommended shampoo for chelating. I also recommend using this shampoo to remove build-up since it covers all the bases. :D

ETA: Shampoo in general strips color, clarifying shampoo also strips color even more so. BUT if you have build-up there is no alternative to fixing that but to clarify and chelate. Check your products for silicone and protein ingredients and check to see if you have hard water. If you swim in pools with chlorine often that can also cause build-up. You can avoid having to clarify if you avoid ingredients that build-up.

[Hollyfire3]

Clarifying is NOT the same as chelating. Chelating only removes mineral build-up, while clarifying removes product build-up (styling products, silicones, etc) and does not remove mineral build-up.

Joico is both chelating and clarifying so you don't have to choose one or the other. I believe that is why it is the most recommended shampoo for chelating. I also recommend using this shampoo to remove build-up since it covers all the bases. :D


So, if my hair has been thinner feeling (well in my opinion, but i have ALOT of hair, so no one has noticed) limper, not poofy or volumized (it usually is over the top thick) not as curly and not responding to stylign products every execpt for every 4th shampoo, do you think i should try this product? And what do you think the results on hair colored about 3 weeks ago would be?

[Hollyfire3]

Clarifying is NOT the same as chelating. Chelating only removes mineral build-up, while clarifying removes product build-up (styling products, silicones, etc) and does not remove mineral build-up.

Joico is both chelating and clarifying so you don't have to choose one or the other. I believe that is why it is the most recommended shampoo for chelating. I also recommend using this shampoo to remove build-up since it covers all the bases. :D

ETA: Shampoo in general strips color, clarifying shampoo also strips color even more so. BUT if you have build-up there is no alternative to fixing that but to clarify and chelate. Check your products for silicone and protein ingredients and check to see if you have hard water. If you swim in pools with chlorine often that can also cause build-up. You can avoid having to clarify if you avoid ingredients that build-up.

I have never clarifyed before in my life and i do not swim, and do not have hard water, but i do use mousse and other heavier styling products. I just wish to be sure that build up is the issue before i risk color striping. But, i do use a color depositing shampoo that i could mix a bit with the clarifyer just to help the color. Is there a sure fire way to tell if i have styling product build up?

[Roscata]

So, if my hair has been thinner feeling (well in my opinion, but i have ALOT of hair, so no one has noticed) limper, not poofy or volumized (it usually is over the top thick) not as curly and not responding to stylign products every execpt for every 4th shampoo, do you think i should try this product? And what do you think the results on hair colored about 3 weeks ago would be?

Try replacing your styling products with something more natural (Natural Styling Products (https://sites.google.com/site/roscatahair/naturalproducts)) that won't build-up as much. And as I said before check your shampoo, conditioner, whatever you use for silicone (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=2216) and protein (http://archive.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=46633) (protein free and silicone free examples (http://www.longhaircommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46045)), avoid those ingredients because they build-up.

I have no idea what clarifying will do for your chemically colored hair because I don't know what kind of dye you used, what color you started with, which products you use on your hair regularly, etc. BUT if you're not a bottle red-head and you use SLS (http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/sodium-lauryl-sulfate.html) shampoo on a regular basis, it should be too bad.

[Hollyfire3]

Try replacing your styling products with something more natural (Natural Styling Products (https://sites.google.com/site/roscatahair/naturalproducts)) that won't build-up as much. And as I said before check your shampoo, conditioner, whatever you use for silicone (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=2216) and protein (http://archive.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=46633) (protein free and silicone free examples (http://www.longhaircommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46045)), avoid those ingredients because they build-up.

I have no idea what clarifying will do for your chemically colored hair because I don't know what kind of dye you used, what color you started with, which products you use on your hair regularly, etc. BUT if you're not a bottle red-head and you use SLS (http://www.natural-health-information-centre.com/sodium-lauryl-sulfate.html) shampoo on a regular basis, it should be too bad.


Yes i use SLS shampoo usually, and i am a natural brunette and a bottle very dark brunette, do you think trying the shampoo and the benifits gotten will out wiegh and colo fade that may not even occur?

[kristib123]

I use a product by Redken which here is the description:


Redken Hair Cleansing Cream Shampoo clarifies and works to remove copper, iron, hard water minerals and styling product build-up on all hair types. Formulated with fruit acids to add shine, purify and refresh hair. Contains a high concentration of chelating agents that surround minerals, making them more soluble so they can be washed away. Formulated with fruit acids to add shine, it purifies and refreshes hair.

I do have salon colored hair and have had no issues with it stripping the color. I use it exactly as directed and only on occasion as needed. We do have horrible well water so I know I get build up from that + styling products though I have cut down on those :D

[Roscata]

Yes i use SLS shampoo usually, and i am a natural brunette and a bottle very dark brunette, do you think trying the shampoo and the benifits gotten will out wiegh and colo fade that may not even occur?

Then you should be ok. There shouldn't be more fading than your regular SLS shampoo, not in a noticeable way. If you're really worried about it you could try washing only a strand of your hair to see if color fading can be observed. But I really doubt it.

[justgreen]

Just so you are aware....you can get build up from ANY kind of product, even the no-silicone, no-sulphate stuff. It happens. And like it's already been posted, just washing your hair can fade out color. So do you want to save your color ......or get the gunk off your hair and have nice hair more often?

[heidi.maryke]

Another vote for the redken cleansing cream, it removes absolutely any build up on your hair, mineral or product! And used in small quantities it doesn't dry hair out

[ktani]

Just so you are aware....you can get build up from ANY kind of product, even the no-silicone, no-sulphate stuff. It happens. And like it's already been posted, just washing your hair can fade out color. So do you want to save your color ......or get the gunk off your hair and have nice hair more often?

True and well said.

According to P&G it is the water used during shampooing not the shampoo itself that removes the colour.

The term "clarify" is often misrepresented by product marketing teams. Many so called "clarifying" shampoos, including chelating shampoos that claim to clarify the hair, deposit build-up causing coatings of their own.

[ktani]

True and well said.

According to P&G it is the water used during shampooing not the shampoo itself that removes the colour.

The term "clarify" is often misrepresented by product marketing teams. Many so called "clarifying" shampoos, including chelating shampoos that claim to clarify the hair, deposit build-up causing coatings of their own.

ETA: Joico Resolve shampoo is called a deep cleansing shampoo and contains protein.
http://www.makeupalley.com/product/showreview.asp/ItemId=34084/Resolve/Joico/Shampoo

Joico K Pak chelating shampoo contains waxy cetyl alcohol and waxy stearic acid and protein, all of which build-up on hair.

ETA: 2 I actually meant to add the ETA to the above post - ooops.

[Hollyfire3]

ETA: Joico Resolve shampoo is called a deep cleansing shampoo and contains protein.
http://www.makeupalley.com/product/showreview.asp/ItemId=34084/Resolve/Joico/Shampoo

Joico K Pak chelating shampoo contains waxy cetyl alcohol and waxy stearic acid and protein, all of which build-up on hair.

ETA: 2 I actually meant to add the ETA to the above post - ooops.


So which CVS avaliable clarifying shampoo should i use?

[ktani]

So which CVS avaliable clarifying shampoo should i use?

CVS carries Prell in the bottle, http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/catalog/shop_product_detail.jsp?filterBy=&skuId=538231&productId=538231&navAction=jump&navCount=3#Prodtabdetail

It is as basic as it gets for a clarifying shampoo. It is too strong to use continually but as a clarifying shampoo, it will remove product build-up very effectively without adding any such coatings of its own.

[Hollyfire3]

CVS carries Prell in the bottle, http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/catalog/shop_product_detail.jsp?filterBy=&skuId=538231&productId=538231&navAction=jump&navCount=3#Prodtabdetail

It is as basic as it gets for a clarifying shampoo. It is too strong to use continually but as a clarifying shampoo, it will remove product build-up very effectively without adding any such coatings of its own.

I heard that purell is harsh on haircolor, when i say CVS avaliaable, i mean that it can be a salon brand or a brand such as Tresseme just as long as i can get it at CVS

[justgreen]

I heard that purell is harsh on haircolor, when i say CVS avaliaable, i mean that it can be a salon brand or a brand such as Tresseme just as long as i can get it at CVS

Purell (http://www.google.com/products/catalog?pq=prell+shampoo&hl=en&cp=7&gs_id=v&xhr=t&q=purell+hand+sanitizer&biw=1280&bih=709&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=6539817244124664824&sa=X&ei=ejrsTo3jJ-KniAKFyI35Aw&sqi=2&ved=0CJ0BEPMCMAU)(hand cleaner) is not the same thing as Prell (http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/prell-shampoo/ID=prod6053203-product?ext=gooBeauty_PLA_Clarifying-Frequent_Use_prod6053203&adtype=pla)(shampoo)

[sycamoreboutiqu]

I am going to make a guess that it could be your color depositing shampoo that is the culprit.

I used some years ago and hated the way my hair eventually felt.

Try stopping that and see what happens. Do you use it every time or maybe that 4th shampoo you don't use it and your hair feels better ?

Process of elimination.

PS - I just use a teaspoon of baking soda in a handful of conditioner as my clarifier. Works
like a charm and leaves my hair feeling wonderful. I have a combo of henna and box color and I don't notice any color loss - but then with henna you never do.

[Hollyfire3]

I am going to make a guess that it could be your color depositing shampoo that is the culprit.

I used some years ago and hated the way my hair eventually felt.

Try stopping that and see what happens. Do you use it every time or maybe that 4th shampoo you don't use it and your hair feels better ?

Process of elimination.

PS - I just use a teaspoon of baking soda in a handful of conditioner as my clarifier. Works
like a charm and leaves my hair feeling wonderful. I have a combo of henna and box color and I don't notice any color loss - but then with henna you never do.

Yeah, i thought the color shampoo was the issue too, thwen i stopped it for 3 weeks,with no results. Yes, i use it every 4th shampoo. I might just try the baking soda thing if i can't find a good clarifying shampoo, again, have still read horror stories of whta it could do to color, but it may be worth it if it actually works, i can always re-dye my hair in a few weeks (i know, it sounds damaging but its deposit color only i have been doing it for 3 years with no really issues, i think the 3 times a day straightening was the real bad part a year or so ago, i don't think my hair coloring was an issue) Thanks to evreyone for the help, im off to CVS (when they open of course) to look for a clarifying shampoo, cross your fingers and i hope it works! :) I just want my hair back soo bad! If this doesnt work, i will be posting as new thread, sooon.

[jojo]

Thanks, so should i buy the joico chelating shampoo or the clarrifying shampoo? I want to use the rotinue listed on the very bottom of the article i posted. Also, i want to be quite certain that this will work to some degree if there is the slight chance it will strip my color.

id try the tresessme its just as good, does the same job and cheaper! i love what it does for my hair.