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ccmso12
September 29th, 2011, 01:38 AM
Okay, mabey not . . .but HELLO if you are in a profession you need to know about the products in your profession! LOL this is kind of funny.

Stopped at a pricey salon today (Regis) to see if they had any deep condish. treatments forsale. A lady came up to see if I need help (side note she had 1/2 her head shaved, the other half a chin length purple bob--really VERY cute on her though not kidding)

I first asked her to look at the 'fly aways' at the top of my head and tell me if it was breakage or new growth, she said "I think prob damage", then she asked me what Kind of shampoo do I use? she actually asked twice as she didnt beleive me that I use conditioner only, the second time I said except once a month I use a clarifying shampoo . . .to which she said, "oh thats your problem, you need a moisturizing shampoo, those are very harsh on hair!" (uhhhh really?????? the 1X monthly use???)

It gets better;

I asked her what deep conditioning treatments they had that are cone free . . .she said, "what s that?" . . .I said like 'silicone' (uh duh) . . .she picks up a bottle and says I like this stuff . . .and I dont see any silicone in it .. . .

The THIRD ingredient was dimethicone!!!



jeez . . .Id loose my nursing liscence if I was this ignorant about my proffession

katienoonan
September 29th, 2011, 01:50 AM
I know it's important for professionals to understand thier... profession! But you have to remember that us wierdos here at the LHC are the ONLY people in the world who care about cones! I'm sure this silky purple bob has never really needed anything other than the standard SLS shampoop and litls of cone-y slip!

:puppykisses:

isabelx
September 29th, 2011, 01:53 AM
Haha! I kinda understand how you feel, I wouldn't even bother asking my hairdresser whether she uses cones/sulphates etc!

alwayssmiling
September 29th, 2011, 02:29 AM
I remember years ago, before I joined here, my HD asked me what products I was using because she was trying to work out why my hair was breaking ( I was having my hair bleached every 8 weeks and heat straightening everyday - I think there lies the answer but anyhow...). When I said Tresemme she said ooh you don't want to use that its full of silicones and that makes your hair brittle.

As I had never heard of silicones in hair products I was very interested and shocked by this revelation and promptly bought some very expensive shampoo and conditioner from the salon. When I got home I researched silicone so I could look out for it in products. And yes you've guessed it the super expensive stuff that had been sold to me in the salon was chokablock with silicones.

I don't think she was trying to pull the wool over my eyes, I just think she had heard a little bit of information about silicones and was passing it on to her clients without realising what a silicone actually looked like on the side of a bottle.

missoj
September 29th, 2011, 03:02 AM
The hair dresser I used to go to, I asked her to do pin curls for an event for me. She had no clue what I was talking about, needless to say I haven't gone back and I done my own hair for the event.

beccababesx
September 29th, 2011, 03:20 AM
To be fair to her, I don't think these kinds of things are taught in hairdressing courses etc, the vast majority of people don't even know what silicones and sulfates are let alone have an opinion on them.

BunnyBee
September 29th, 2011, 03:35 AM
To be fair to her, I don't think these kinds of things are taught in hairdressing courses etc, the vast majority of people don't even know what silicones and sulfates are let alone have an opinion on them.

This is true. Most hairdressers are more like sandwich makers than Michelin starred chefs! XD

If you want a proper hair professional.. go to a trichologist - if you can afford it, or well, just stay here haha

Alaia
September 29th, 2011, 04:34 AM
To be fair to her, I don't think these kinds of things are taught in hairdressing courses etc, the vast majority of people don't even know what silicones and sulfates are let alone have an opinion on them.

Yup. The only ones who really know are the "Long Hair Specialists" for example those in the George Michael chain of salons. They know all about the badness of 'cones, though their shampoo (the Blue one anyway) does contain a sulphate (I was shocked, but my hair doesn't mind that particular one).

heartgoesboom
September 29th, 2011, 06:33 AM
maybe she just work the front desk?

Albiryo
September 29th, 2011, 06:36 AM
Yeah, I know that feeling.

Most hair dressers make me feel so angry!

Lapin
September 29th, 2011, 06:37 AM
I don't think she was trying to pull the wool over my eyes, I just think she had heard a little bit of information about silicones and was passing it on to her clients without realising what a silicone actually looked like on the side of a bottle.

i always worry about doing this, but i'm not selling expensive products to people! although, i do agree with the other posters that the majority of hair salons, and this particular woman, are more into the fashion and appearance of hair rather than the health of hair...

UltraBella
September 29th, 2011, 07:36 AM
Many salons have a receptionist who is NOT a stylist. And Regis would not be categorized as an expensive or high end salon. They are quite known for hiring gals just out of beauty school with limited skills, so they can pay them next to nothing. And many have a receptionist who is not a stylist and is making minimum wage. Either way, the poor gal tried to be helpful to you and in return you jump on LHC to bash her.

It's not like you had some awful haircut or something. That is totally different. Cones or no cones - it's not common knowledge, most people are using cones and cones are in most professional products.

Seriously, what's with all the threads just meant to make fun of and belittle hairdressers ?? This is becoming a VERY ugly trend on LHC and I for one do not appreciate it. There was no reason to start this thread, except to be mean spirited. And you chalk up her "ignorance" to an assumption that she is a stylist, but what if she is just a bit challenged in the brains department ? I meet people daily who just seem to have less common sense, smarts, or education than others. I wouldn't dream of poking fun at them. Would this thread be nearly as entertaining if she was working anywhere other than a salon ?? Nope, because here at LHC we are quite excepting of others and their short comings, unless they are a stylist. Then we throw them under the bus.
Nice.
OP, if you ever make a mistake, or do not know the answer, pertaining to nursing - I truly hope someone shows you more tolerance than you are willing to extend to others.

Mesmerise
September 29th, 2011, 07:49 AM
My DH has a friend who is a hairdresser, and is good enough that she taught at TAFE for awhile.

Well, she did tell me not to use Pantene because of the silicones... but now I know more about cones, I realise that the condish she uses also has cones in it (I've heard a few people say how bad Pantene is without realising that you actually have to search pretty hard for a conditioner WITHOUT any).

She also told me when I first met her not to use henna "because of the metallic salts" even though I told her that I'd dyed over my henna and my hair had never melted!

Well the other day we all got a free trim off her, and she asked me if I was using henna, so I said "Yes, but it's got no metallic salts" and she said "Are you SURE?" sounding very skeptical (well yeah...I am sure lol...I've never even SEEN the henna with metallic salts).

I also told mentioned that my hair was thin after hair loss last year (and demonstrated how it gets thin part way down, and showed her a chunk of shorter hair on the top). She said, "Errm do you brush your hair when it's wet?" *sigh*. No, I don't. And NO it's not breakage. My hair doesn't break (unless I do something stupid like get it stuck in a hair clasp, or errm...my glasses...and it breaks when I tug it :() and if it WAS broken, then wouldn't it have masses of splits??

This also reminded me of WHY I'm avoiding hairdressers, because I don't want comments about my hair being broken (when it isn't) or about how thin it is (yes, I know it's thin...I don't need it pointed out...).

But anyway...she IS a good hairdresser, I believe, BUT she is obviously ignorant about some things (esp henna!!). Or maybe... I was a little sensitive because I'm not a "hair idiot" and I do know how to care for my hair, and what's wrong with it (I'm not an expert... but I do know when my hair's damaged and when it's not etc. etc.).

theodora
September 29th, 2011, 07:53 AM
I agree with you UltraBella, I really don't like this trend of bashing hairdressers. I'm not going to say I have never b*tched about a hairdresser in my life, I have had plenty of horrible haircuts and problems with hairdressers who DO NOT listen and just do whatever they want.
But I think it is unfair in this case to expect people outside of the LHC, which is a limited community, to know about things like "cones". Especially if you're gonna call them cones, not even silicones. And then again if you said silicones, it wouldn't be what is written on the bottle as it is just the name of a category.

The way to go about doing some thing like this is to politely ask if you can look at the ingredients on the bottle. I am sure people would be fine with someone doing this. Most beauty schools don't teach students about silicones or sulphates I am sure, as such a huge proportion of commercial products use them.


People have got to stop complaining about hairdressers. It is a profession like all professions, there are good hairdressers, bad hairdressers, everything in between, and that is a subjective issue anyhow. You can say the same about doctors, lawyers or teachers for example. Also, you can never please everyone. As a teacher last year, I was teaching lots of different classes and there was just this one class that I could not get through to. Nobody's perfect, deal with it.

Sorry, rant over now.

AlannaMaria
September 29th, 2011, 08:08 AM
Agreeing with UltraBella and theodora here. Before LHC, I had no idea what cones were, and that's not something they teach girls in beauty school. Give the girl a break. She was most likely a newer girl and just trying to help out in the way she knows how.