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Clem_Dela
August 26th, 2011, 10:15 AM
:cheese:

My sister and I are wanting to try henna for the first time.

After some research, I've found that henna which contains no chemicals or metals are the best way to go.

So without further ado, has anyone ever used this brand of henna?
http://www.light-mountain-hair-color.com/

And if so, is this chart accurate?
http://www.light-mountain-hair-color.com/chart-natural.php

My sister wants to use Red. She has shortish, finer hair, so I'm wanting to use her extra Red and mix it with my Burgundy to get a mix. Has anyone done this before?

Thank you and g'day! :eyebrows:

celebriangel
August 26th, 2011, 10:44 AM
Light mountain henna has lots of other stuff in it other than henna, and the henna itself has reported to give weak(er) stains, suggesting it is not wonderful quality.

If you want red/burgundy, many people have had good results with the henna hut henna (google henna hut). It still has other things in it to make it go the colours it goes, but the henna itself appears to be of good quality.

What colour is your sister's hair? And what colour is she hoping to achieve? Bearing in mind, in case you weren't aware, that henna is totally and completely forever and you can't remove it from your hair.

Clem_Dela
August 26th, 2011, 11:01 AM
My sister's hair is a mediumish dark brown, and mine is a bit darker.

We both know that we can't really get the brightest color we would like, because both of us have relatively dark hair. However, I think we're prepared for whatever change henna will introduce.

I know henna is not super permanent. That's part of the reason why I chose it :P This is the first time either of us have ever fully dyed our hair, so the temporary nature of henna makes it easier to take the plunge. Plus it's not too expensive, and a good deep-condition for your hair, so i wouldn't mind if I ended up henna-ing on a regular basis.

Clem_Dela
August 26th, 2011, 11:03 AM
*Oops, I misread your post.

I had heard that henna fades quickly and only lasts 4-6 weeks or so?

defineinsanity
August 26th, 2011, 11:17 AM
Nope henna is a permenant colour change, you wont be able to change it. I think it would be better to inform your sister of this before she makes the decision to go ahead with it :)

Alvrodul
August 26th, 2011, 11:19 AM
Actually, henna is far, far more permanent than chemical dyes. With chemical dyes you will usually be able to bleach it out, with henna, don't count on it! Some who have used a henna gloss or henna-cassia mix (cassia obovata is also sometimes clled "neutral henna" because it doesn't impart much color, it has a light yellow dye molecule that is not permanent) find that their color fades, and some will also experience fading color the first couple of times they use henna. But never count on that! Instead, assume that the only way you will get the henna color out of your hair is :scissors: cutting it out.
I would guess, given the color in the chart, that the burgundy color you are eyeing is mixed with indigo. Indigo can be just as permanent as henna for many, and for some it will wash out. One thing is certain, if you try using indigo on your hair, you should never, never, ever use peroxide on your hair after - because it will turn an unpleasant green!
In any case, before you start using natural dyes, research it thoroughly, so that you know what you are getting into. Start with this article (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/vbjournal.php?do=article&articleid=7), then look at the cassia thread (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=406) and the henna (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=45) threads (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=9336) here on LHC. Also look up henndigo - there are likely to be threads on that too!

ETA: I found some more information on their site:
http://www.light-mountain-hair-color.com/pdf/LtMntPOP.pdf
Basically, it seems that they use cassia, henna and indigo in varying proportions in their products.

Clem_Dela
August 26th, 2011, 11:38 AM
wow thanks! this definitely clears up some contradicting stories i've come across.

So what's in the mix of a "henna gloss" that is different from an actual henna dying treatment?

Alvrodul
August 26th, 2011, 11:46 AM
A henna gloss is simple - you simply mix a suitable amount of your dye-released mud with conditioner and apply. More mud means more color.
Leave it on your hair for a suitable amount of time - more time also means more color.
Rinse well, and admire your hair. If the color wasn't strong enough, do it again in a few days. (Let the color oxidize first!):D

stacyyyy1972
August 26th, 2011, 11:50 AM
You mix a smaller amount of the henna in with conditioner just to brighten up the color between full applications or if you just want to add slighter highlights to it if I remember correctly as im fairly new to this (:

Clem_Dela
August 26th, 2011, 12:58 PM
thanks for all the input everyone!

My sister is really confused now, lol. She was wanting to do something that would fade quickly (4-6 wks) so that she wouldn't have to touch up her roots later.

is there anything you can recommend for her?

(I, on the other hand, still want to dye with henna. (o: )

Clem_Dela
August 26th, 2011, 12:59 PM
she just corrected me- something that would fade in 3 mos. or so. But anything you can recommend would land on grateful ears. :o)

BlazingHeart
August 26th, 2011, 01:13 PM
The vegetable based deposit-only dyes should be good for that. Manic Panic and Punky, as I recall (with Punky tending to last longer). I've used temporary boxed dyes for that, just make sure it's a one part dye - dyes that include developers will tend to last longer and do more damage as the developer lifts your cuticle.

~Blaze

Clem_Dela
August 26th, 2011, 10:48 PM
thank you!
we talked about it and I think she is going to take the plunge and do henna, as am I :) probably from henna hut.

what kind of mixes do you guys use? i've heard about people using things like coffee, lemon, and cheap red wine, and paprika and cloves and cinnamon... i'm not sure where I would start with these things. I think I want to use paprika though.

Alvrodul
August 27th, 2011, 02:01 AM
thank you!
we talked about it and I think she is going to take the plunge and do henna, as am I :) probably from henna hut.

what kind of mixes do you guys use? i've heard about people using things like coffee, lemon, and cheap red wine, and paprika and cloves and cinnamon... i'm not sure where I would start with these things. I think I want to use paprika though.
To get an idea of what is possible, colorwise, have a look here (http://www.hennaforhair.com/mixes/). Be aware that you can not get lighter hair with henna - you can only dye your hair darker!
As for details on how to mix - start collecting the color from your hairbrush for your testing. Testing is your friend - you can't do enough testing! And be very sure to get your proportions right when you mix up test batches in order to get the resulting color right.
I would recommend against using lemon juice when you mix the henna - it is very harsh, and can dry out your scalp - and henna is drying enough on its own. I just use water.
Adding ground ginger to the mix can be a good idea - it will cut the smell of henna, which is not to everyone's taste.
Do you proper research, and happy dying! :stirpot:

Clem_Dela
August 27th, 2011, 01:25 PM
thanks!!!
Do you think mixing Aloe Vera gel into the henna would help at all with the drying problem..?