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MemSahib
June 23rd, 2008, 07:48 AM
I am noticing several threads with people worrying about their "thin" hair — usually from the fines, or baby fines — and I thought a simple definition of the types and how they occur might be helpful. This is from The Hair Boutique (http://www.hairboutique.com/tips/tip1471.htm) and while it is not couched in scientific terms, it is a good, basic definition of the differences between types of hair. Finehairs, take note that our hair usually is missing the central medulla that other hairtypes have. This means each individual hair is smaller in circumference than the other types. It does make for some killer silkiness and gorgeous shine. Enjoy your type, friends! Each has its own advantages and disadvantages.

If anyone has other links to add on the science of hairtypes, please post them...



Fine hair has the smallest circumference. Fine hair can be so soft and silky that it can actually feel like feathers. Unless it has been chemically altered to damage the cuticle, fine hair reflects light the best of the three textures. When it is healthy, fine hair will often have a natural megawatt shine. Fine hair generally has a much thinner cortex than other hair textures and generally does not contain the inner medulla like other hair textures. Usually only the cortex and cuticle are present in fine hair which adds to it fragility.

Medium hair is the most common type of texture. Medium textured hair is neither super soft nor rough to the touch. Medium hair has lots of body and bounce and usually holds either a blow-dry shape or any type of set very well. It has the most styling flexibility of the three types. Although most medium textured hair usually contains the medulla, cortex and cuticle structural layers, there are exceptions.

Coarse hair has the largest circumference. Coarse hair can feel heavy and rough. Exceptionally coarse hair may feel a little like horse hair to the touch. The outside layers of coarse hair are often overlapped at the scales and raised from the shaft. It holds many styles with ease but can look wild and bushy with the wrong cut or style. It almost always contains three distinct layers known as the medulla, cortex and cuticle.

Wiry Hair which has a very hard, glassy finish as a result of the way that the cuticle scales lie flat against the hair shaft. Wiry hair can also be coarse, medium or fine and usually contains all three structural layers.

FrannyG
June 23rd, 2008, 08:09 AM
Thank you for this post, MemSahib. :flower: I think a lot of people get "thin" and "fine" confused, as well as "course" and "thick". This will help the confusion.

rhubarbarin
June 23rd, 2008, 11:20 AM
I can't tell if my hair is fine or medium.

It feels super-soft to the touch, and is very light and cobwebby. It also gets damaged easily, and breaks instead of splitting. Despite being light colored and curly/wavy, it's quite shiny (only the healthy parts right now).

However it has tons of body and holds styles well. I can feel it when I rub it between my fingers, and I can definately see the hairs in the light..

Is having fine hair something that's really obvious? I can tell when people have coarse hair just by looking at it..

Katurday
June 23rd, 2008, 11:27 AM
My hair is surprisingly coarse.
I took a sample from an Asian friend, and a Scandinavian friend, along with a sample form a British friend.
My Scandinavian friend had the definition of fine hair. It was also "thin".
My Asian friend had coarse hair (naturally. ;D). It was "medium" in ponytail circumference.
A British friend had medium hair. It was medium to thick in ponytail circumference.
My hair was roughly the same coarseness as my Asian friend's (Perhaps slightly finer, but much coarser than both my British and Scandinavian friend) and I have a thick ponytail.

What is the moral of this story?
IT WILL TAKE ME AGES TO DO MANY STYLES.
;.;

granitbaby
June 23rd, 2008, 11:34 AM
Good post MemSahib.
My hair is fine but absolutely not thin. Bur fine healthy hair isn't always shiny and reflects light, I believe that has a lot to do with the tones of colour in the hair.

Silver & Gold
June 23rd, 2008, 11:37 AM
Thanks for posting. That was very helpful.

SchnauzerMom
June 23rd, 2008, 11:42 AM
Thanks for sharing this information, it was very helpful!

Juliet's Silk
June 23rd, 2008, 12:17 PM
MemSahib, thank you for bringing it up! :flower:

I just wanted to emphasize:
Fine, Medium and Coarse are definitions for the thickness of a SINGLE hair.

Thin, Medium thickness and Thick mean the thickness of the WHOLE mass of hair, all individual hairs measured together.

You can have Fine AND Thick hair, as well as Coarse AND Thin hair. One has nothing to do with the other, although fine haired people do tend to have thinner hair more often than people with coarse hair - this is because people with fine hair need more individual hairs than coarse haired people to get the same thickness.

jojo
June 23rd, 2008, 12:33 PM
Yep I typed my hair correct, feels like feathers but is thickish.

My hair dresser summed it up perfectly ' fine but plenty of it!'

MemSahib
June 23rd, 2008, 12:49 PM
I just wanted to emphasize:
Fine, Medium and Coarse are definitions for the thickness of a SINGLE hair.

Thin, Medium thickness and Thick mean the thickness of the WHOLE mass of hair, all individual hairs measured together.

You can have Fine AND Thick hair, as well as Coarse AND Thin hair. One has nothing to do with the other, although fine haired people do tend to have thinner hair more often than people with coarse hair - this is because people with fine hair need more individual hairs than coarse haired people to get the same thickness.Perfect, Juliet's Silk! Thanks. My own hair is baby, babyfine, but medium thickness. Translation: the individual hairs are skinny and thin but I have enough of it to be a solid ii on the thickness continuum.

I hope this thread will clear up some of the confusion about fine and thin hair. They can both be on the same head, but not necessarily.

julya
June 23rd, 2008, 12:53 PM
Wow, I didn't know that fine hair has only cortex and cuticle usually. Thanks for posting the info.

flapjack
June 23rd, 2008, 12:57 PM
This explains why I've always thought people with fine hair had glossier hair and why it's harder to take care of the top hairs on my head, hahaha. Although, now that they're in good shape, they are very shiny. Oil is their friend!

Darkhorse1
June 23rd, 2008, 01:28 PM
I was trying to figure all of this out. I think I have a blend of different hairs, because I can find some thick strands, medium strands and finer strands. I'd say I'm medium--that sounds like my hair, though it can be course, but hair dressers told me that it's usually asian hair that is deemed course. Blonds tend to have finer hair shafts.

Can anyone explain the different i definitions. there is ii/iii/iiii here and I don't know what they mean :)

flapjack
June 23rd, 2008, 01:31 PM
A lot of people have a mix of hair types on their head. I have all three types as well, but I generally go with a regimen that's similar for people with fine hair because it's better to be gentle enough for the fine hair on my head to be happy, than it is to just pay attention to the medium and coarse hairs I have. That's the easiest thing for me, anyway.

burns_erin
June 23rd, 2008, 01:37 PM
Here is an article explaining the classifiers

http://homepage.mac.com/annsofie.henriksson/hairtyping/Personal27.html

So I am a 1a because my hair is stick straight and will not hold any sort of curl. Some pictures do look like I have some sort of body but that is because it is very layered and I wear it in a bun or looped ponytail all day.

I am an F for fine because you can not feel my hair between your fingertips.

And, I am a iii because my ponytail circumfrence is 4.5 to 5 inches in diameter, even with all my layers.

Curlsgirl
June 24th, 2008, 12:31 AM
I can't tell if my hair is fine or medium.

It feels super-soft to the touch, and is very light and cobwebby. It also gets damaged easily, and breaks instead of splitting. Despite being light colored and curly/wavy, it's quite shiny (only the healthy parts right now).

However it has tons of body and holds styles well. I can feel it when I rub it between my fingers, and I can definately see the hairs in the light..

Is having fine hair something that's really obvious? I can tell when people have coarse hair just by looking at it..There used to be a place here that explained this. It generally said that if you can feel your hair between your fingers and see it in the light that you have medium, not fine. Mine tends to be shiny too for curly hair but I think maybe it's more the color, health of the hair that gives us medium curly people that.

MemSahib
June 24th, 2008, 05:22 AM
My hair is so fine I cannot feel a single strand rolled between fingertips. I can tell if a stray hair is lying on my skin — it tickles like an angel's breath. ;) My husband's medium, quite curly hair is easy to feel between the fingertips. My pony circumference is a solid 3¼" (minus the bangs) which puts me at medium thickness, or ii.

I hope this thread helps everyone sort out the meanings of fine/medium/coarse and thin/medium/thick.