Tresemme Naturals ingredients - no silicones, but any potential for buildup?

[pariate]

Today I bought a little bottle (100ml) of the Tresemme Naturals conditioner with aloe and avocado. The bottle proudly states "No silicones" but I wonder if there is anything else likely to cause buildup?

Ingredients: Water (Aqua, Eau), stearyl alcohol, cetyl alcohol, caprylic/capric triglyceride, stearamidopropyl dimethylamine, fragrance (parfum), lauroyl lysine, caprylyl glycol, brassica campestris/aleurites fordi oil copolymer, aspartic acid, distearyldimonium chloride, persea gratissima (avocado) oil, citric acid, alcohol, isopropyl alcohol, aloe barbadensis leaf juice.

I have highlighted the ingredients about which I am most curious. Can any of our resident scientists answer this for me please?! I tried the conditioner tonight after my oil shampoo and (as has been mentioned in this thread (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?p=995951)) it felt extremely slippy when I rinsed. Time will tell what it feels like when my hair is dry, I won't be able to report on that until tomorrow morning.

Hope someone out there can shed some light on this. Is it wrong of me to be suspicious when a major high street brand ditches silicones? There must be a catch, right?! :bull: :p

ETA: I am currently using sulfate-free shampoos as part of my oil shampoo routine.

[teela1978]

Anything can build up. I haven't noticed any problems when using it, but I use sulfates (yay sulfates!). Garnier also makes a cone-free conditioner, their Sleek and Shine usually is cone free (they often change things up and pop amodimethicone in there, but then it magically switches back). I think the Garnier Body Boost might also be cone free.

[RocketDog]

I have been using this shampoo and conditioner for a good six months or so and I never notice any buildup, although I do not CO-wash so I'm not sure what it would do with that sort of routine.

[RavennaNight]

I was using the Tresseme Naturals conditioner and Lower Sulfates shampoo for a while and did not notice any buildup at all. The conditioner worked really well for me.

[RadiantNeedle]

I use these conditioners and I do need to clarify occasionally, but then I also use coconut oil.

[pariate]

Hmmm.... It's the brassica campestris/aleurites fordi oil copolymer that really got me wondering. Copolymer could mean almost anything as far as build-up is concerned - cyclopentasiloxane (one of the silicones which is renowned for causing awful build-up) is a polymer, but there are other polymers which will not necessarily cause any build-up whatsoever.

I think I might post a new thread, asking a more specific question in the title. I think I phrased my question badly and too vaguely in this thread!

Thanks for the responses.

[teela1978]

A co-polymer is just a polymer with 2 constituents. In this case, it would be (apparently) 2 botanical oils chemically linked in a chain.

Cyclopentasiloxane actually isn't a polymer to my understanding, its a ring-shaped molecule rather than a long chain. The definition of "Polymer" is a long chain of various subunits which doesn't change its chemical properties if you add more units. I can guarantee that a ring of 6 siloxanes will be different from a ring of 5... thus not a polymer. Dimethicone on the other hand is a polymer.

[pariate]

A co-polymer is just a polymer with 2 constituents. In this case, it would be (apparently) 2 botanical oils chemically linked in a chain.

Cyclopentasiloxane actually isn't a polymer to my understanding, its a ring-shaped molecule rather than a long chain. The definition of "Polymer" is a long chain of various subunits which doesn't change its chemical properties if you add more units. I can guarantee that a ring of 6 siloxanes will be different from a ring of 5... thus not a polymer. Dimethicone on the other hand is a polymer.

Thanks for your reply. I got my data from this article (http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curl-products/polymers-in-hair-care-products). What do you think?

[teela1978]

I think its oddly written in the part where cyclomethicone and cyclopentasiloxane are listed. Neither would be polymers, though they are both silicone derivatives ('cones), its confusing because they list some cationic polymers (polyquats) and then "some silicones" including some polymer and non polymer versions. Odd.

cyclomethicone (not a polymer): http://www.3dchem.com/molecules.asp?ID=315

dimethicone (polymer): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydimethylsiloxane

[pariate]

I think its oddly written in the part where cyclomethicone and cyclopentasiloxane are listed. Neither would be polymers, though they are both silicone derivatives ('cones), its confusing because they list some cationic polymers (polyquats) and then "some silicones" including some polymer and non polymer versions. Odd.

cyclomethicone (not a polymer): http://www.3dchem.com/molecules.asp?ID=315

dimethicone (polymer): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydimethylsiloxane

Okay, thank you very much! So what are you views regarding the copolymer in the Tresemme conditioner - do you think it's something that could cause build-up or is it so easily removed that this wouldn't be an issue? I appreciate your input. :)

[Athena's Owl]

Hmmm.... It's the brassica campestris/aleurites fordi oil copolymer that really got me wondering.

I went hunting. here.

http://www.tri-k.com/search.html?cx=014780726796227178756%3Awqqvxbis7pm&cof=FORID%3A10%3BNB%3A1&ie=UTF-8&q=glossamer&sa=Search

that's a bunch of pages from the cosmetic ingredients company who developed Glossamer, AKA Brassica campestris/Aleurites fordi oil copolymer.

B. campestris is a type of mustard green.
A. fordi is Chinese Tung oil.

[pennyroyal]

I use the shampoo & love it! I have had no buildup problems myself & have been using it for months now.

[teela1978]

I think determining whether or not something will build up is a bit too complicated for me to really comment on. It seems to be so dependent on individual hair type and water quality and whatnot. I never noticed buildup with it, but I always use sulfates of some sort (although not the matching shampoo).