Waist | Hip | BCL | Tailbone

[WaitingSoLong]

Today is one year from my last trim where I went for an inch and the lady cut off a crooked 2" that had to be fixed ultimately losing 4". I swore off trims then, knowing I couldn't forever. FTE's are ok, but I always get compliments on my blunt hemline with my hairlength. My hair always feels better after a trim but is harder to get into buns because the ends want to pop out.

I, too, plan to wait til TBL to trim. But as of now I have no plans to go past TBL. I am going to maintain here awhile until I am happy with the health of my ends. I am not sure I will ever be able to stand hair past TBL. It gets in my way so much now, I need to learn to really live with TBL hair before I move on.This stage is the first time I have encountered this issue. I will be in this thread probably another year.

I am with Myotis and Medeival on losing the war with splits and it being harder not to trim between hip and TBL. BUT, I am happy just to be hip, which was my original goal. I never had splits until I hit around hip length.

dfotw I have not tried monistat or MTG or anything else applied topically for hair growth. I have taken many vitamins and supplements and discovered some great ones for OTHER things. But nothing has made my hair growth speed up (I get about 8" a year at the roots). I still take MSG, Flaxseed Oil, DE and a multi-vite for general health reasons. I have made some major dietary changes for my overall health and have lost 20+ pounds. I think I am as halthy as I can be, I eat healthy and get my vitamins naturally so there is nothing I can take or do that is better, kwim? I am only 3 lbs away from my ideal weight, having lost another 2 lbs in the last couple weeks.

Ultimately, I am patient and do not mind 8" a year or the actual 6" it turns out to be from breakage/loss, which is really only 4" when you account for trims because I cannot stand unhealthy ends. I have gone much longer than a year between trims before, but only between BSL and waist, which goes very quickly, then waist to hip which also really went quickly. I have pictures from 2008 where my hair is BARELY covering my breasts in front. It has really just been since hip that I have had all the trouble. Sometimes I feel TBL is term for me anyway bt I have NEVER had my hair to hip or past 35" before this year.

Wow, I sure can ramble about my hair, but then, this is the only thread I post in really and I certainly do not discuss the issues IRL!

ETA: Forgot to say I am TBL wet! Yippee!!

[Henrietta]

Today is one year from my last trim where I went for an inch and the lady cut off a crooked 2" that had to be fixed ultimately losing 4". I swore off trims then, knowing I couldn't forever. FTE's are ok, but I always get compliments on my blunt hemline with my hairlength. My hair always feels better after a trim but is harder to get into buns because the ends want to pop out.

I, too, plan to wait til TBL to trim. But as of now I have no plans to go past TBL. I am going to maintain here awhile until I am happy with the health of my ends. I am not sure I will ever be able to stand hair past TBL. It gets in my way so much now, I need to learn to really live with TBL hair before I move on.This stage is the first time I have encountered this issue. I will be in this thread probably another year.

I am with Myotis and Medeival on losing the war with splits and it being harder not to trim between hip and TBL. BUT, I am happy just to be hip, which was my original goal. I never had splits until I hit around hip length.

dfotw I have not tried monistat or MTG or anything else applied topically for hair growth. I have taken many vitamins and supplements and discovered some great ones for OTHER things. But nothing has made my hair growth speed up (I get about 8" a year at the roots). I still take MSG, Flaxseed Oil, DE and a multi-vite for general health reasons. I have made some major dietary changes for my overall health and have lost 20+ pounds. I think I am as halthy as I can be, I eat healthy and get my vitamins naturally so there is nothing I can take or do that is better, kwim? I am only 3 lbs away from my ideal weight, having lost another 2 lbs in the last couple weeks.

Ultimately, I am patient and do not mind 8" a year or the actual 6" it turns out to be from breakage/loss, which is really only 4" when you account for trims because I cannot stand unhealthy ends. I have gone much longer than a year between trims before, but only between BSL and waist, which goes very quickly, then waist to hip which also really went quickly. I have pictures from 2008 where my hair is BARELY covering my breasts in front. It has really just been since hip that I have had all the trouble. Sometimes I feel TBL is term for me anyway bt I have NEVER had my hair to hip or past 35" before this year.

Wow, I sure can ramble about my hair, but then, this is the only thread I post in really and I certainly do not discuss the issues IRL!

ETA: Forgot to say I am TBL wet! Yippee!!

Yaaaay! So now it's only about a little time when you will be at TBL officialy:D How does it feel??:)

[Heidi_234]

WaitingSoLong - I can understand your frustration with trimming appearing to set you back - but if you accept you may lose 2" to breakage anyway, why not invest them into trimming? :) This way you'll grow it out to TBL and have it healthier than if you just keep not-trimming.

I'm taking the trimming path - after seeing progress picture of an LHC member. She grown out from SL to Hip+ length, and at one point she decided to stop trimming to achieve more length. She barely grew out at all, and in the same time span, after returning to regular trims, she had an amazing progress.

I was stalling on 37"ish for quite a few months (BCL on me), after deciding not to trim until I reach TBL. After another frustration monthly measuring, I decided to trim, and look at me now - 39" and TBL. Just my :twocents:

[3azza]

I have finally reached tailbone length. It took me such a long time. My trim is due in 3 months, so hopefully i will maintain my TBL after i trim. I don't feel i have reached TBL though, because my hair curls up to hip or waist and sometimes even to ShL, so frustrating!!!

[luxepiggy]

FTE's are ok, but I always get compliments on my blunt hemline with my hairlength. My hair always feels better after a trim but is harder to get into buns because the ends want to pop out.

I love blunt ends (^(oo)^)v but dealing with the ends popping out of buns is worst! I've just given up at this point; I just let them pop out now and act like that's the way I wanted it to look :D



I, too, plan to wait til TBL to trim. But as of now I have no plans to go past TBL. I am going to maintain here awhile until I am happy with the health of my ends. I am not sure I will ever be able to stand hair past TBL. It gets in my way so much now, I need to learn to really live with TBL hair before I move on.This stage is the first time I have encountered this issue. I will be in this thread probably another year.

I've been growing to TBL and then cutting back to waist or hip length for my entire life for this very reason :p it's only a few additional inches but it just seems to take on a life of its own at TBL, doesn't it? I was kneeling down to get something out from under a table, when suddenly I realized I was kneeling on my own hair :rolleyes:



I am only 3 lbs away from my ideal weight, having lost another 2 lbs in the last couple weeks.


congratulations! hope you reach goal weight soon! :cheese:

[xoxophelia]

I'm not trimming again until the start of September. I am trimming .5" every month (my hair grows slightly faster than that from what I can tell so far) to even out the V hemlime (which is closer to a U right now) and still gain a little bit of lenght.

It will be awhile until I get to TB but my hair isn't my number one focus right now anyways :)

[ancilla]

Oh my gosh I am STILL only like 1.5 inches from tailbone. It feels like I have been here forever. I can't wait to reach it so I can start to trim to thicken up my hemline!

[Camee]

I guess I should join this thread. I'm definitely in the hip area, my loose hair is a bit past the top of my hipster jeans. I've started trimming monthly though. I have a ridiculous number of spit ends and I think I might be able to thicken the hemline, reduce breakage and therefore increase growth if I keep ahead of the damage.

I'm aiming for terminal length and I hope that's a long way off!

[Teufelchen]

I am so frustrated at the moment. My hair doesn't seem to grow and I lost my FTE in July, when I went to the hair dresser (stupid me) to get 2-3cm trimmed. 5,5cm were cut. :(
And since then I am not seeing any improvement. I am still around hip length, but it feels so short again.
I was just starting to get the long-hair-feeling.

[freckles]

I guess I should join this thread. I'm definitely in the hip area, my loose hair is a bit past the top of my hipster jeans. I've started trimming monthly though. I have a ridiculous number of spit ends and I think I might be able to thicken the hemline, reduce breakage and therefore increase growth if I keep ahead of the damage.

I'm aiming for terminal length and I hope that's a long way off!

I feel for you Camee. I have a bajillion split ends. I can't bear not to gain length, so I'm going to trim every two months rather than monthly. I'm thinking I should ramp-up my S&D efforts, too. I would love some way to measure empirically whether I'm getting less splits, but I don't know how. Maybe I should have scheduled S&D missions, and record how many I cut off, but the problem is that I normally stop because I'm bored, not because they're all gone! :lol:

[Alvrodul]

I feel for you Camee. I have a bajillion split ends. I can't bear not to gain length, so I'm going to trim every two months rather than monthly. I'm thinking I should ramp-up my S&D efforts, too. I would love some way to measure empirically whether I'm getting less splits, but I don't know how. Maybe I should have scheduled S&D missions, and record how many I cut off, but the problem is that I normally stop because I'm bored, not because they're all gone! :lol:
The last couple of months (since I read a good descriptions of the process somewhere on LHC) I have been doing S&D missions. They are not at all regular, but OTOH it is not hard to have a pair of scissors lying next to the PC, and I will often have a little session when I am surfing the web.
The first times I did it, many split ends fell to the dreaded scissors. :scissors: ;) But lately there have been far fewer split ends for me to destroy. So I suppose my old regimen of "benign neglect" wasn't so bad after all. In addition, it is good to see that something is working. :)

[darkwaves]

I'm in this range, too.

My hair is TBL - some days. Other days, a bit shorter. Always a couple of inches below hip, though. (I'm trimming to get rid of dry/rough ends, so the length bounces around...)

I like the current length and look the best so far -- finally, I feel I have long hair.

However, it really snarls -- both when washed, and when left loose. I'm hoping with more trims, that may improve... The other possibility is that my fine wanna-be-dreaded hair will always snarl when set free.

Anyway, I plan to gradually get rid of perhaps two? three? more inches at the bottom before going on to classic. But who knows? Benign neglect may take over again; I may stop trimming; it may grow...

[Ravenwaves 88]

Checking in with a pic from today. I think this is my first official pic post on this thread. I take monthly pics.

http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss334/Ravenwaves88/Hair/DSCF3517.jpg

I look forward to growing to my goal of Tailbone with you all! :D

[WaitingSoLong]

Yaaaay! So now it's only about a little time when you will be at TBL officialy How does it feel??

Honestly? Frustrating and gets in the way LOL. But when I see pictures I LOVE it. I just took some more Friday since I had to blow fry my hair for a special event. Going to upload after this post.


I love blunt ends (^(oo)^)v but dealing with the ends popping out of buns is worst! I've just given up at this point; I just let them pop out now and act like that's the way I wanted it to look

Not sure why but I LMBO at this!


WaitingSoLong - I can understand your frustration with trimming appearing to set you back - but if you accept you may lose 2" to breakage anyway, why not invest them into trimming? This way you'll grow it out to TBL and have it healthier than if you just keep not-trimming.

I am considering it. It takes me a couple of months to get up the nerve to even walk into a salon once I have decided to do it. I have had too many bad cuts. However, I am going to a new place to a recommended stylist next time. I never cut more than once a year ever. That has always been enough to keep my splits off before until this year. Since I have just now hit the one year mark, I am due but not in a rush. Honestly, I am so busy right now that, while I am irritated with my hair, I don't really think about it except when I am on LHC and when I wash my hair. I will end up procrastinating a cut until December or January anyway. I just hate being so close to goal and trimming it away. Another reason I am hesitant about the cut is the bunning issue. Ah well. It IS just hair....right?

[Henrietta]

Checking in with a pic from today. I think this is my first official pic post on this thread. I take monthly pics.

I look forward to growing to my goal of Tailbone with you all! :D

Do you have your hands at waist? It looks like you are holding them a little bit lower! To me you are at least in halfway to hip! :):):)
Yaaay!

[bunnii]

Do you have your hands at waist? It looks like you are holding them a little bit lower! To me you are at least in halfway to hip! :):):)
Yaaay!

I have to agree, where have you been Ravenwaves 88? come in come in :)

We have cookies and cheese! :cheese:

[Ravenwaves 88]

I have to agree, where have you been Ravenwaves 88? come in come in :)

We have cookies and cheese! :cheese:

Ha ha ha.....Mmmmm Cookies and Cheese!

I have large hips so I figure it's not too far from waist and it was easier to be consistant with the photos if I had my hands sitting at the top of my hip bone. So yes....I'm technically at Top of Hip, but Hip to me is where my pants fall so alittle higher than Low-Rise and I'll be at hip (in my mind).

Thanks for the welcome!:D

[myotislucifugus]

Ah! Finally found my scissors and began S&Din in earnest since my move. Woke up today, a day after a wash, and having a good hair day, but my hair looks like it is barely at hip right now! It's the braid waves, but it was kind of crushing to see that in the mirror this morning, especially since I am definitely going to trim at least an inch off (maybe 2) very soon.

[Idun]

I will not be leaving this thread yet after all. I went to get a trim today at a salon and I am now back hovering 2 cm above BCL. My ends look great though! :D I was happy to hear the haidresser saying my hair is healthy and smooth! But she did blowdry it some, using that tecnique where you hold the dryer a cm from the hair and go down the lenght with the dryer and a brush. I totally froze and was unable to stop her! The cut looks very good though, so all in all not so bad. :)

It cost me the equivalent of several delicious hairtoys! :rolleyes:

[Henrietta]

I will not be leaving this thread yet after all. I went to get a trim today at a salon and I am now back hovering 2 cm above BCL. My ends look great though! :D I was happy to hear the haidresser saying my hair is healthy and smooth! But she did blowdry it some, using that tecnique where you hold the dryer a cm from the hair and go down the lenght with the dryer and a brush. I totally froze and was unable to stop her! The cut looks very good though, so all in all not so bad. :)

It cost me the equivalent of several delicious hairtoys! :rolleyes:

Oh... I know that. I am always asking them for leaving my hair as it is, I can go home with damp hair, really, just take this blowdryer away...! No. Blowdryer, brush and a hairspray. Grrr!!

But I am glad you feel good with the cut itself:)

[Idun]

Thanks Henrietta! :)

I always feel like a freak when I go to the salon. It is difficult to know in advance what is going to happen. Many dangers lurke; blowdryers, heat straighteners, sls/silicones + + (she put some silicone on today to make it easier to comb. I figured rather have cones than her ripping my hair off!), brushes with the balls on each tine, damaging clips, and worst of all a stylist who doesn´t understand or respect your choice to have long hair.

So what can you do? Bring your own combs and brushes? Bring a list of 10 (or 20?) commandments what not to do to hair? A friend to stand behind and hawkeye the work? I´m sure they would kick me out or something!

I´m glad it went relatively easy today, and the result was ok. I will need some light therapy though to get over the ordeal.

[WaitingSoLong]

Thanks Henrietta! :)
Many dangers lurke...brushes with the balls on each tine

What is wrong with those? What kind of brushes are good and which kind are bad? :confused:

[HuggyBear]

Hello....I am joining the club. I was really close to hip length a few weeks ago but I got a trim that ended up taking 4 inches off. So here I am back at waist. Since joining LHC, I have gained at least an inch in growth already.Taking super special care of my hair and taking supplements are really paying off. :cheese:

My mom cuts my hair now but when I went to a salon, I never let them wash my hair. I washed it before I went and told them I wanted no blowdrying or product in my hair. They never seemed to have a problem with it. Actually, they did not charge me full price as they did not have to wash or style my hair. :)

[Heidi_234]

Why, why would one blowdry straight 1b hair?! :justy:

:nono:


I'm glad your ends feel so much nicer now Idun :)

[Idun]

What is wrong with those? What kind of brushes are good and which kind are bad? :confused:

They rip out hair. I used brushes like that for years and thought it was normal to have half a sheep left in the brush after use. :grin: After changing my combs and brushes (and tecnique) I know it isn´t so.


Why, why would one blowdry straight 1b hair?! :justy:

:nono:


I'm glad your ends feel so much nicer now Idun :)

Thank you Heidi! :)

I refused to have my hair washed, so she wet it down in the sink instead. After she was through cutting it wet, she blowdryed it, and then I had to stand up (salon chair was too low on the highest setting :D) and she did tiny adjustments to the ends and found hairs she had missed. I thought that was really good, I just didn´t like the blowdrying part. I told her she did not have to dry it on account of me, but she had a purpose... Well, if she could have just held the dryer longer away from my hair it would not have been so bad. I swear my face was positively plum coloured with stress during this procedure. :laugh: The other thing was her clips. She twisted sections of hair and put them on top of my head with som clips that obviously had small metal tines. I could actually hear hairs break a couple of times.

Yesteday I bought three new glass hairsticks to console myself! :o Now I feel guilty and stupid. Stupid that I am such a wuss and guilty that I spent too much money on toys this week. :doh:

[Henrietta]

They rip out hair. I used brushes like that for years and thought it was normal to have half a sheep left in the brush after use. :grin: After changing my combs and brushes (and tecnique) I know it isn´t so.



Thank you Heidi! :)

I refused to have my hair washed, so she wet it down in the sink instead. After she was through cutting it wet, she blowdryed it, and then I had to stand up (salon chair was too low on the highest setting :D) and she did tiny adjustments to the ends and found hairs she had missed. I thought that was really good, I just didn´t like the blowdrying part. I told her she did not have to dry it on account of me, but she had a purpose... Well, if she could have just held the dryer longer away from my hair it would not have been so bad. I swear my face was positively plum coloured with stress during this procedure. :laugh: The other thing was her clips. She twisted sections of hair and put them on top of my head with som clips that obviously had small metal tines. I could actually hear hairs break a couple of times.

Yesteday I bought three new glass hairsticks to console myself! :o Now I feel guilty and stupid. Stupid that I am such a wuss and guilty that I spent too much money on toys this week. :doh:

Don't feel guilty! :) You deserve it after all the stress connected with going to a salon. Ok, it was good this time (yaaay!) but it doesn't mean that you didn't feel nervous at the beginning, so... Yes. Buiyng beautiful glass hairsticks is a good way to make yourself feeling better;)
May we see them?:)

[Idun]

I will post pics in another thread when I get them. ;) They shipped today.

[WaitingSoLong]

[quote=Idun;1216873]They rip out hair. I used brushes like that for years and thought it was normal to have half a sheep left in the brush after use. :grin: After changing my combs and brushes (and tecnique) I know it isn´t so.[quote]


Can you give me more information? Is this only on wet hair? Seems like everything I have heard about brushing ruining hair was on wet hair. I only use comb on wet hair. What kind of brush is good for detangling then? Or only combs? I have been using a ball-tip paddle brush recommended to me and it detangles marvelously. I have tried using a comb for detangling, it works but I lose just as much hair no matter how gentle/slow/patient I am. I must be doing something wrong.

[luxepiggy]

Can you give me more information? Is this only on wet hair? Seems like everything I have heard about brushing ruining hair was on wet hair. I only use comb on wet hair. What kind of brush is good for detangling then? Or only combs? I have been using a ball-tip paddle brush recommended to me and it detangles marvelously. I have tried using a comb for detangling, it works but I lose just as much hair no matter how gentle/slow/patient I am. I must be doing something wrong.

You have to start at the bottom / ends and detangle up towards your scalp - don't try to detangle from the roots, otherwise, you'll just be pushing all of the knots down together at the ends. Then if you try to pull the brush thru that's when you end up ripping out hairs
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff33/shoppingpiglet/piggies/1heo140.gif

I'm probably a bit of an outlier, but I only detangle with my fingers (^(oo)^)v

[luxepiggy]

Thanks Henrietta! :)

I always feel like a freak when I go to the salon. It is difficult to know in advance what is going to happen. Many dangers lurke; blowdryers, heat straighteners, sls/silicones + + (she put some silicone on today to make it easier to comb. I figured rather have cones than her ripping my hair off!), brushes with the balls on each tine, damaging clips, and worst of all a stylist who doesn´t understand or respect your choice to have long hair.

So what can you do? Bring your own combs and brushes? Bring a list of 10 (or 20?) commandments what not to do to hair? A friend to stand behind and hawkeye the work? I´m sure they would kick me out or something!

I´m glad it went relatively easy today, and the result was ok. I will need some light therapy though to get over the ordeal.

http://forum.purseblog.com/images/smilies2/hugging.gif glad that you survived your visit relatively unscathed! (^(oo)^)

I stopped going to salons after one charged me $120 to trim my straight, non-layered hemline :rolleyes:

[luxepiggy]

Hello....I am joining the club. I was really close to hip length a few weeks ago but I got a trim that ended up taking 4 inches off. So here I am back at waist. Since joining LHC, I have gained at least an inch in growth already.Taking super special care of my hair and taking supplements are really paying off. :cheese:
:)

Congrats on your improved growth, and welcome to the club :D

~piggy (^(oo)^)/"

[IloveSpain11]

Hi Piggy!! Good to see you around here... Im from Tpf and a Long Hair Community Forum addicted!
Wellcome and congratulations on your beautifull hair!

[Idun]

Can you give me more information? Is this only on wet hair? Seems like everything I have heard about brushing ruining hair was on wet hair. I only use comb on wet hair. What kind of brush is good for detangling then? Or only combs? I have been using a ball-tip paddle brush recommended to me and it detangles marvelously. I have tried using a comb for detangling, it works but I lose just as much hair no matter how gentle/slow/patient I am. I must be doing something wrong.

Your hair looks very healthy and beautiful, so maybe the ball-tip paddle brush is fine for you? I know there are different qualities.

I shed hairs no matter which brush/comb I use, but the ball tip brush used to take out a whole lot more. (It was also recommended to me by a hairdresser.) I never comb or brush when my hair is wet, just some light detangling with my hands. When hair is dry, or almost dry, I start with a large widetooth comb. Then I use a less wide spaced comb, and then another even lesser spaced and so on till I can use a fine tooth comb.. I do have a Tangle Teezer and a Mason Pearson BBB. The last one I never use for detangling, but the Tangle Teezer I use sometimes. Although on freshly washed hair I always start with the combs. I´m sure there are many other ways and preferences. :)

[xoxophelia]

Speaking of shed hairs.. I have noticed I shed much less hair lately. Really ever since shortly after I joined LHC. I wonder why this is? :S

Struggling with my hair currently. It is in a "transition" phase with old color, layers, and heat damage. -__-'

[PineappleJello]

I've noticed my shedding has decreased as well. Maybe it is because I moved home for the summer so there is less stress and I'm getting healthier food. Or just maybe it's positive thinking (I'd be willing to believe this helped a lot... the placebo effect of LHC).

[LadyVictoria]

I am about 3 inches from TB. I keep trimming to get rid of damage though so I have been at 32.5" for quite sometime.

[Heidi_234]

I was just wondering - How much is waist lenght and how much would you estimate TBL is on you ladies (and gentlemen)?

I'm not much taller than everybody else but it seems like my measurements are always bigger than everybody else's. Waist is about 32" and TBL would be a little more than 39". Is this just a feeling?

[Ravenwaves 88]

I was just wondering - How much is waist lenght and how much would you estimate TBL is on you ladies (and gentlemen)?

I'm not much taller than everybody else but it seems like my measurements are always bigger than everybody else's. Waist is about 32" and TBL would be a little more than 39". Is this just a feeling?

I'm a bit past waist at 31.5" and TLB will be 42"-44" on me. I haven't quite decided exactly where I want tailbone to be. lol.:D

[Idun]

Waist on me is 28" and BCL is 35.4". I can´t feel the tip of my tailbone so I don´t really know where that would be. I have put my goal to be 39,4 (100 cm) because at 39.8" (101 cm) my hair will touch the seat when I am sitting. (In my head I call that seat lenght)

When I look at the pics from the Euromeet I get this urge to go classic though. :)

I am 173 cm tall by the way (which would be 5.67 according to the online calculator)

[eamane]

Waist on me is app. 30" and TBL is somewhere around 40" I think. It feels like a long way to go ;)

[luxepiggy]

I was just wondering - How much is waist lenght and how much would you estimate TBL is on you ladies (and gentlemen)?

I'm not much taller than everybody else but it seems like my measurements are always bigger than everybody else's. Waist is about 32" and TBL would be a little more than 39". Is this just a feeling?

I suspect it also has something to do with body proportions - the only time I appreciate my bizarrely short torso is when it comes to growing hair (^(oo)^)v If your torso is pretty long and you're always searching for shirts that are long enough, then that's probably the reason . . .

my waist is at 28", hip at 30" and TBL at 34.5" . . .so my gap is about the same as yours, but everything's shifted shorter, b/c i'm a very small piggy :p

[luxepiggy]

Hi Piggy!! Good to see you around here... Im from Tpf and a Long Hair Community Forum addicted!
Wellcome and congratulations on your beautifull hair!

woo! piggy's cover is blown! hehe j/k (^(oo)~) there's another PFer here too - gotta have something to tide us over during those long maintenance outages, eh? :p

[Idun]

May I ask what Tpf and PF is?

[IloveSpain11]

May I ask what Tpf and PF is?


Tpf is The Purse Forum. Pf I dont really know...yet.:rolleyes:

[Heidi_234]

Tpf is The Purse Forum. Pf I dont really know...yet.:rolleyes:
Purse Forumee? Forumer? :p

[WaitingSoLong]

Well, I think I am going to get that trim sooner instead of later. I had MANY reasons to wait...

1. I wear my hair up incessantly during summer because of heat/working outside. When I get a trim, I cannot hardly keep it in a bun because of the ends.
2. I fear salons/bad trims/excess loss of length
3. I was waiting to reach goal before trimming (December)
4. I was measuring my hair for a year as a basis for recording. I am close, only need to wait til December.
5. I had finally reached "the longest my hair has ever been" and a trim would set me back. Of course, now any length is the longest my hair has ever been. 36" seemed to take FOREVER to reach, I am only like 2" from TB.
6. My hair looks so good in pictures, maybe I should just stop looking at it up close? lol I love how it looks right now

My reasons NOT to wait:
1. My breakage is phenominal and I know my root growth is almost double that of my overall growth, so ultimately, I SHOULD be gaining with a trim, right?
2. My hair has actually reached a length I find unwieldly.
3. My ends are crunchy, hair health is more important than length (?)

I haven't totally talked myself into the trim yet but I think I will stop by and talk to the lady, have her look at my ends and give me her professional opinion. The best I can tell myself, I need 2" off. The main reason ( I think I am repeating myself) is bunning. I HAVE to bun and I HATE stray ends.

If I trim, that means I gain nothing for the last year because of my 4" trim last August. Wahhh!!! I want to have gained SOMEthing by the end of 2010!

I am super discouraged about shedding. I am very careful not to pull it hard, etc. I am healthiest I have ever been holistically speaking, my diet could not really be better, I have lost 25 pounds and feel great. I wonder if my dietary changes are somehow to blame for the shedding, like it is purging or something. 36" takes a long time to grow back! I hate to say it, but my hair was doing better before LHC. However, it was never this long before LHC either.

[Heidi_234]

Thanks ladies for the responses! :flower:
So my measurements are definitely not that off at all, I guess that's all I needed to see. :o

[luxepiggy]

Tpf is The Purse Forum. Pf I dont really know...yet.:rolleyes:

PF is also purse forum . . . yes, piggy is too lazy to type the one extra letter (^(oo)^)v

[myotislucifugus]

Well, I think I am going to get that trim sooner instead of later. I had MANY reasons to wait...

1. I wear my hair up incessantly during summer because of heat/working outside. When I get a trim, I cannot hardly keep it in a bun because of the ends.
2. I fear salons/bad trims/excess loss of length
3. I was waiting to reach goal before trimming (December)
4. I was measuring my hair for a year as a basis for recording. I am close, only need to wait til December.
5. I had finally reached "the longest my hair has ever been" and a trim would set me back. Of course, now any length is the longest my hair has ever been. 36" seemed to take FOREVER to reach, I am only like 2" from TB.
6. My hair looks so good in pictures, maybe I should just stop looking at it up close? lol I love how it looks right now

My reasons NOT to wait:
1. My breakage is phenominal and I know my root growth is almost double that of my overall growth, so ultimately, I SHOULD be gaining with a trim, right?
2. My hair has actually reached a length I find unwieldly.
3. My ends are crunchy, hair health is more important than length (?)

I haven't totally talked myself into the trim yet but I think I will stop by and talk to the lady, have her look at my ends and give me her professional opinion. The best I can tell myself, I need 2" off. The main reason ( I think I am repeating myself) is bunning. I HAVE to bun and I HATE stray ends.

If I trim, that means I gain nothing for the last year because of my 4" trim last August. Wahhh!!! I want to have gained SOMEthing by the end of 2010!

I am super discouraged about shedding. I am very careful not to pull it hard, etc. I am healthiest I have ever been holistically speaking, my diet could not really be better, I have lost 25 pounds and feel great. I wonder if my dietary changes are somehow to blame for the shedding, like it is purging or something. 36" takes a long time to grow back! I hate to say it, but my hair was doing better before LHC. However, it was never this long before LHC either.

When you make up your mind (or if you need support) let me know when you plan on doing it, and I'll do it the same day! I need a trim of about 2" and I've almost talked myself into it. It needs to happen, and since we're about the same length we can be cut buddies! Aka, so close to tailbone and yet so far...

[Ravenwaves 88]

Is it just me or did this thread get busier?

Maybe it's like when you get a new car you start noticing the same type of car everywhere.

Maybe there has been an influx of members? I don't know what it is but I like it! I'll be here for at least a year and a half.....I'm ready!

[darkwaves]

I was just wondering - How much is waist lenght and how much would you estimate TBL is on you ladies (and gentlemen)?

I'm not much taller than everybody else but it seems like my measurements are always bigger than everybody else's. Waist is about 32" and TBL would be a little more than 39". Is this just a feeling? You have a longer torso than I do -- I suspect you're much taller, too? (I'm somewhere under 5'3".)

For me, pre-measurement guesses are usually wrong because my hair wurls away and I can't get it to lie down to be measured... And, with visual measurements, I prefer to wait until they are somewhat visible to claim them! (Luckily for me, most of my curl drops out by day three or four, so that is possible, unlike the situation for true curlier curlies! The benefits, I guess, of fickle hair.)

Again, for me waist was about 29", hip about 32"; tbl will be about 36" or a bit more -- this measure is more iffy than the others for me!

In any case, to get back to more concrete measurements, on me, classic should be about 42" -- at least that's the measurement with the tape measure pulled sort of straight -- but hardly dead straight. (Tight, the tape measure says it would be at 40" for me, but I doubt my hair will agree! More likely, I won't think I'm there till I reach 46" or 49", if I am to be so lucky.)

After classic, if my hair cooperates, the increments on me are shorter than for many... yes, my torso is short -- but I have really short legs! It surprises me that I look somewhat normal proportioned in real life, esp. after spending so much time reading other people's measurements on LHC!

And I have the same issue as you, Heidi_234, when it comes to hair that will not look its length because of its personality!

(For the record, right now, post-mini-trims, I'm at 34.5, so I would like to regain and keep two inches before I claim a solid tbl. ... and my sig pic, as of Aug 10 is a somewhat deceptive Oct. 2009 shot, so my hair is a wee bit longer than it might appear here... and this was taken on a "straight" day for me.)

[luxepiggy]

In response to a few of your points:


Well, I think I am going to get that trim sooner instead of later. I had MANY reasons to wait...

1. I wear my hair up incessantly during summer because of heat/working outside. When I get a trim, I cannot hardly keep it in a bun because of the ends.
2. I fear salons/bad trims/excess loss of length Have you considered trimming yourself instead of going to a salon? (^(oo)^)
3. I was waiting to reach goal before trimming (December)
4. I was measuring my hair for a year as a basis for recording. I am close, only need to wait til December.
5. I had finally reached "the longest my hair has ever been" and a trim would set me back. Of course, now any length is the longest my hair has ever been. 36" seemed to take FOREVER to reach, I am only like 2" from TB.
6. My hair looks so good in pictures, maybe I should just stop looking at it up close? lol I love how it looks right now

My reasons NOT to wait:
1. My breakage is phenominal and I know my root growth is almost double that of my overall growth, so ultimately, I SHOULD be gaining with a trim, right? It's sort of inevitable that as your hair gets longer, you're going to encounter more breakage than you did before, I think. Do you actually have splits? If not, I'm not clear on how trimming would affect the breakage situation?
2. My hair has actually reached a length I find unwieldly.
3. My ends are crunchy, hair health is more important than length (?) Have you tried some moisture treatments?

I haven't totally talked myself into the trim yet but I think I will stop by and talk to the lady, have her look at my ends and give me her professional opinion. Every hairdresser I know is of the perpetual "professional opinïon" that people need more haircuts :p The best I can tell myself, I need 2" off. That is a lot for a "trim" - 2" is getting into the zone of a "cut" in my opinion! What is it about your ends that makes you feel you need 2" off? The main reason ( I think I am repeating myself) is bunning. I HAVE to bun and I HATE stray ends.

If I trim, that means I gain nothing for the last year because of my 4" trim last August. this one, definitely not a trim! eep! (>(oo)<) Wahhh!!! I want to have gained SOMEthing by the end of 2010!

I am super discouraged about shedding. I am very careful not to pull it hard, etc. I am healthiest I have ever been holistically speaking, my diet could not really be better, I have lost 25 pounds and feel great. I wonder if my dietary changes are somehow to blame for the shedding, like it is purging or something. I lost 30+ pounds a few years back and my hair did thin out quite a bit - I think with that scale of weight loss it's inevitable. However, also remember that it may seem like you are shedding more just b/c the hairs are longer now and it looks like more volume while still being the same number of strands. 36" takes a long time to grow back! I hate to say it, but my hair was doing better before LHC. However, it was never this long before LHC either.

[WaitingSoLong]

When you make up your mind (or if you need support) let me know when you plan on doing it, and I'll do it the same day! we can be cut buddies! .

This stylist has a waiting list so it will not be immediately once I call. I will let you know.

[myotislucifugus]

This stylist has a waiting list so it will not be immediately once I call. I will let you know.
That'd be great. Kinda funny, but great. :p

[WaitingSoLong]

Hmm, it is tricky to reply to this because I am quoting a quote...hope you can figure this out


In response to a few of your points:

2. I fear salons/bad trims/excess loss of length Have you considered trimming yourself instead of going to a salon? (^(oo)^)3. Yes, I have tried that before to much disaster. I had my Mom try, too, to much disaster.

My reasons NOT to wait:
1. My breakage is phenominal and I know my root growth is almost double that of my overall growth, so ultimately, I SHOULD be gaining with a trim, right? It's sort of inevitable that as your hair gets longer, you're going to encounter more breakage than you did before, I think. Do you actually have splits? If not, I'm not clear on how trimming would affect the breakage situation?2. OH YES I have splits up to 2", thus my reason for 2".

3. My ends are crunchy, hair health is more important than length (?) Have you tried some moisture treatments? Yes, actually, my hair is not dry. Just the splits. I do DCT's and oil.

I haven't totally talked myself into the trim yet but I think I will stop by and talk to the lady, have her look at my ends and give me her professional opinion. Every hairdresser I know is of the perpetual "professional opin&#239;on" that people need more haircuts Well, that is where this particular stylist comes in. I have talked to some of her clients and they all says she never cuts more than necessary and seems to be in favor of long hair. Tho I have not met her yet. .

If I trim, that means I gain nothing for the last year because of my 4" trim last August. this one, definitely not a trim! eep! (>(oo)<) Wahhh!!! I have explained this before but who knows on what forum. The trim was supposed to be 1" with a slight "U". The lady butchered it and took of 2" and only "U'd" one side. I went back the next day to have it fixed (the other stylist was appalled) and ended up losing a total of 4" to fix the butchering the other lady did. I swore off trims then AND that salon. Really, it was traumatic for me. I was so livid and I actually cried for several days. I know, dumb. It is just hair, right?

I am super discouraged about shedding. I am very careful not to pull it hard, etc. I am healthiest I have ever been holistically speaking, my diet could not really be better, I have lost 25 pounds and feel great. I wonder if my dietary changes are somehow to blame for the shedding, like it is purging or something. I lost 30+ pounds a few years back and my hair did thin out quite a bit - I think with that scale of weight loss it's inevitable. However, also remember that it may seem like you are shedding more just b/c the hairs are longer now and it looks like more volume while still being the same number of strands. Really? Weight loss can cause hair loss? I figured since it has been gradual (Since January) it would not really matter. I mean, I am losing weight the RIGHT way, not with pills, etc. And yes, I know it can look like a lot because of length. I have stopped just short of picking out the hair and counting them. Yet regardless, I have seen an increase. I have cut most fats out of my diet, I wonder if fat was actually good for my hair? That being said, I do take Omega 3 supplements. Also, I have been warned not to totally cut out fats as it can be bad to do so.

[WaitingSoLong]

That'd be great. Kinda funny, but great. :p


Funny?

I go right by the place on my way into town, which I am doing today. I will stop in, get their hours and hopefully the one stylist will be there so I can meet her. It is like choosing a doctor, they may be good but if there is a personality clash...
Anyway, I will see how long the wait is to get in. I am not sure if we are talking days or weeks or what.

[myotislucifugus]

Funny?

I go right by the place on my way into town, which I am doing today. I will stop in, get their hours and hopefully the one stylist will be there so I can meet her. It is like choosing a doctor, they may be good but if there is a personality clash...
Anyway, I will see how long the wait is to get in. I am not sure if we are talking days or weeks or what.
I don't know, I just find it amusing that two longhairs both are facing trepidation about cuts, but both need them for the same reasons, and both of these people joined TLHC at about the same time, and have about the same length of hair. I just think it is funny to have an odd connection of cutting at the same time as someone I've never met in real life.

Or maybe I'm just being creepy. Sometimes I miss those social cues...

[luxepiggy]

I don't know, I just find it amusing that two longhairs both are facing trepidation about cuts, but both need them for the same reasons, and both of these people joined TLHC at about the same time, and have about the same length of hair. I just think it is funny to have an odd connection of cutting at the same time as someone I've never met in real life.

Or maybe I'm just being creepy. Sometimes I miss those social cues...

that's what I love about these special-interest type forums . . . imagine, we could all have gone through our whole lives without anyone to commiserate with over our mutual tonsurephobia :scissors:

[myotislucifugus]

that's what I love about these special-interest type forums . . . imagine, we could all have gone through our whole lives without anyone to commiserate with over our mutual tonsurephobia :scissors:
How long have you wanted to use the word tonsurephobia in a sentence?

[WaitingSoLong]

I don't know, I just find it amusing that two longhairs both are facing trepidation about cuts, but both need them for the same reasons, and both of these people joined TLHC at about the same time, and have about the same length of hair. I just think it is funny to have an odd connection of cutting at the same time as someone I've never met in real life.

Or maybe I'm just being creepy. Sometimes I miss those social cues...


that's what I love about these special-interest type forums . . . imagine, we could all have gone through our whole lives without anyone to commiserate with over our mutual tonsurephobia :scissors:


How long have you wanted to use the word tonsurephobia in a sentence?


ROFLMBO!

Where do you live myotis? We COULD meet...JUST KIDDING.

I did not know there was a word haircut-aphobia! I should have known. Do you think, if I learned how to pronounce it and spouted it off to the stylist she would know what it means?

So I did go by the salon today. The stylist I wanted to see was not there. She has weird hours. Anyway, my appointment is for Sept. 3rd, a Friday morning. I was ambivalent about making it without meeting her. Guess I will take the chance, and if I get there and she rubs me the wrong way I will just leave! How rude would that be? lol

[fisher2]

well it seems i have reached waist so now i go into this group for the next 2-4 years lol hooray for mile stones il be happyier at tb i know it

[Heidi_234]

You have a longer torso than I do -- I suspect you're much taller, too? (I'm somewhere under 5'3".)

For me, pre-measurement guesses are usually wrong because my hair wurls away and I can't get it to lie down to be measured... And, with visual measurements, I prefer to wait until they are somewhat visible to claim them! (Luckily for me, most of my curl drops out by day three or four, so that is possible, unlike the situation for true curlier curlies! The benefits, I guess, of fickle hair.)

Again, for me waist was about 29", hip about 32"; tbl will be about 36" or a bit more -- this measure is more iffy than the others for me!

In any case, to get back to more concrete measurements, on me, classic should be about 42" -- at least that's the measurement with the tape measure pulled sort of straight -- but hardly dead straight. (Tight, the tape measure says it would be at 40" for me, but I doubt my hair will agree! More likely, I won't think I'm there till I reach 46" or 49", if I am to be so lucky.)

After classic, if my hair cooperates, the increments on me are shorter than for many... yes, my torso is short -- but I have really short legs! It surprises me that I look somewhat normal proportioned in real life, esp. after spending so much time reading other people's measurements on LHC!

And I have the same issue as you, Heidi_234, when it comes to hair that will not look its length because of its personality!

(For the record, right now, post-mini-trims, I'm at 34.5, so I would like to regain and keep two inches before I claim a solid tbl. ... and my sig pic, as of Aug 10 is a somewhat deceptive Oct. 2009 shot, so my hair is a wee bit longer than it might appear here... and this was taken on a "straight" day for me.)
I'm about 2" taller than you, so it just makes my torso somewhat longer. I also completely forgot that some people tend to refer to BCL as TBL, while I prefer to mark TBL as halfway between BCL and classic. Maybe that's why it seemed to me like my TBL measurement is too big. Funny thing is, classic would be around 42" for me too (pulled straight).

Don't you stretch your hair when measuring it? I'm confused. I feel like measuring it 'as it is' is very unreliable, because there's 4" worth of shrinkage, and my "actual" hair length can fall anywhere in that range. I assumed the measuring tape is suppose to lie just like wet/stretched hair would do, and therefore measuring by the tape can predict how long your hair will be in it's stretched state when you reach this or that length goal.

That said, you have a very good point about giving a little bit of extra length to what the tape says your hair will be at future goal length. I actually did it without intending to, when I rounded *up* my goal length. Also, I'm with you - I tend not to claim milestones until I'm solidly there, which would make it at least an inch past the milestone.

And I'll say it again :o - always admired your beautiful mane! :flowers:

[Rivanariko]

Getting SO close!

I've been pretty much braiding and ignoring my hair lately, especially after moving to a hard-water area, I've been washing a lot less to try to avoid getting the hard water build-up. I hate the way my hair feels right after a wash now. Bu the advantage is, my hair is growing and surprising me! Last time I actually cared to take a look at it, I was a little past hip, just brushing past the top of my jeans. Now, I'm only a few inches to TBL!!http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=3456&pictureid=79880

:cheese:

[Ravenwaves 88]

Getting SO close!

I've been pretty much braiding and ignoring my hair lately, especially after moving to a hard-water area, I've been washing a lot less to try to avoid getting the hard water build-up. I hate the way my hair feels right after a wash now. Bu the advantage is, my hair is growing and surprising me! Last time I actually cared to take a look at it, I was a little past hip, just brushing past the top of my jeans. Now, I'm only a few inches to TBL!!http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=3456&pictureid=79880

:cheese:

Wow Rivanariko, you look Tailbone in that pic. Congradulations, you are almost a graduate. Are you going classic?

[HuggyBear]

Getting SO close!

I've been pretty much braiding and ignoring my hair lately, especially after moving to a hard-water area, I've been washing a lot less to try to avoid getting the hard water build-up. I hate the way my hair feels right after a wash now. Bu the advantage is, my hair is growing and surprising me! Last time I actually cared to take a look at it, I was a little past hip, just brushing past the top of my jeans. Now, I'm only a few inches to TBL!!http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=3456&pictureid=79880

:cheese:

You're hair looks great! :) I have hard water & hate how it makes my hair feel. Just recently, I have been using collected rain water as my final rinse as suggested my another member here and my hair feels so much better.

[Rivanariko]

Wow Rivanariko, you look Tailbone in that pic. Congradulations, you are almost a graduate. Are you going classic?
Thank you! I'm measuring tailbone by where my actual tailbone ends, and that's a few inches lower. My ultimate goal that this point is knee, but we'll see how changes once I get to classic. I might decide that the whole sitting on my hair this is overrated. I really want to see if I can get there though!


You're hair looks great! :) I have hard water & hate how it makes my hair feel. Just recently, I have been using collected rain water as my final rinse as suggested my another member here and my hair feels so much better.
I read that thread, and was curious about it. I've been thinking about trying it, just not sure how to collect the rainwater. We're getting almost nightly thunderstorms here, but the rain is usually accompanied by really high winds so I can't just set a bucket outside. Maybe I can bungee it to the porch...

[WaitingSoLong]

MYOTIS...I have decided to change how much I am getting trimmed. Well, I am going to ask her what she thinks NEEDS to be trimmed. If t is more than 2", I will say NO, just 2", but if it is less, I will go with less. Once I went in for a trim and told her she could take as much off up to 3", but she said it only needed about an inch. I am not even sure she took that much off and I left feeling like I didn't lose anything but still got a trim. That is what I am hoping for this time.

Ok, because I am scared about a trim, can anyone tell me how to tactfully STOP a stylist if I feel they are going to ruin my hair? Like if they don't get on eye level with my ends or something like that? I am afraid I am going to come off as a snob or rude because I am protective of my hair! And while you're thinking of a reply, keep in mind I come off a bit brash in general, even when I try not to! This is my first trim since The Disaster of August 2009.

[luxepiggy]

How long have you wanted to use the word tonsurephobia in a sentence?

years, I tell you . . . YEARS! :D


Ok, because I am scared about a trim, can anyone tell me how to tactfully STOP a stylist if I feel they are going to ruin my hair? Like if they don't get on eye level with my ends or something like that? I am afraid I am going to come off as a snob or rude because I am protective of my hair! And while you're thinking of a reply, keep in mind I come off a bit brash in general, even when I try not to! This is my first trim since The Disaster of August 2009.

I've found that it's best to be upfront and explain your concerns before the cut starts. For example, when you first get in there, before you even sit down, I would very nicely say something like "sorry if I seem a bit nervous, I just had a very bad experience at my last trim." At which point she'll probably ask why, which is your cue to explain your concerns, and how you'd really appreciate it a lot if she could err on the side of cutting too little, etc. etc.

If you say it all before you even get in the chair, she'll (a) be paying more attention instead of half-listening while cutting, and (b) be less likely to feel insulted or like you're "correcting" her mid-cut. Positioning it as your issue also makes her less likely to feel defensive, and for some people who are more competitive, it will actually make them even more careful, to prove to you that they're much better than the other hairdresser you went to (^(oo)^)v

At the end of the day, remember, you're paying them. You have a right to ask for what you want!

[chopandchange]

WaitingSoLong, I think if I was ever to go back to a salon again (which I'm not planning on doing; I trim my own hair now) I would write out a contract and have the stylist sign it. Something like this: "I understand I have been asked to only cut off X inches and I agree to do this. I understand that if I cut any more off, I will not receive payment and legal action may be taken against me for failing to carry out the agreed service."

Of course, this is very extreme and it's possible they would think I was a psycho and refuse to sign it, or start rolling their eyes and whispering and laughing with their colleagues, but that is how much my hair length matters to me. At least I'd have proof in writing of the length they were supposed to cut.

[myotislucifugus]

I agree with Luxepiggy, if you start out telling her that you had a bad experience last time, she'll probably try to avoid duplicating a disaster, if only to prove she's better than a different nitwit.

Especially if this is a different salon, that will probably work best. I personally had a bad experience where the stylist cut me from BSL to APL, and I was ripped. I've never gone back to that chain of hair cutting places again, and instead went to a different one, and mentioning that was like sparking a competition.

Of course, as soon as I made it to waist length I started trimming my own hair, and haven't looked back.

Quite frankly, if after you share your concerns, don't worry about appearing brash. It's your hair, and she is expressly ignoring your wishes. If it were a tattoo artist or a surgeon, you'd object, right, this is the same. Well, presumably you'd be unconcious with the surgeon, but same idea...

[Suze334]

I can't find the instructions on self trims. Help please!

[Heidi_234]

I can't find the instructions on self trims. Help please!
There you go :)
http://community.livejournal.com/feyeselftrim

[cmnt831]

I can't find the instructions on self trims. Help please!

Is this what you're looking for?
http://community.livejournal.com/feyeselftrim

[WaitingSoLong]

I've found that it's best to be upfront and explain your concerns before the cut starts. For example, when you first get in there, before you even sit down, I would very nicely say something like "sorry if I seem a bit nervous, I just had a very bad experience at my last trim." At which point she'll probably ask why, which is your cue to explain your concerns, and how you'd really appreciate it a lot if she could err on the side of cutting too little, etc. etc.

If you say it all before you even get in the chair, she'll (a) be paying more attention instead of half-listening while cutting, and (b) be less likely to feel insulted or like you're "correcting" her mid-cut. Positioning it as your issue also makes her less likely to feel defensive, and for some people who are more competitive, it will actually make them even more careful, to prove to you that they're much better than the other hairdresser you went to (^(oo)^)v

At the end of the day, remember, you're paying them. You have a right to ask for what you want!

Wow, luxepiggy, you rock! The psychology of it makes sense. The competition, making it MY issue, etc. I doubt I will appear nervous, but the stylists USUALLY ask how long it has been since my last cut, and since I never cut more than a year apart, they are always shocked, etc. (tho, come on, is it THAT uncommon?). Then I get the "do you color your hair? What products do you use?" and last time during the fix cut I got "I have never cut anyone's hair as long as yours". Hopefully I will find a segue, because I tend to appear snotty if I just am blunt, which is how I usually am. Ultimately, I care more about how my hair turns out than how I make her feel, but if how I make her feel affects HOW my hair turns out, well...

I don't like to rant or go on about a bad experience. I like to state the facts and leave out the unnecessary criticism. It IS a different salon, but I am hesitant to say WHICH salon did it, because it's uncouth, and although I had great cuts from there before this one gal, sadly they lost my business due to her. THAT has more to do with the salon hiring someone as incapable as she was. This new salon is a not a chain. The woman cutting my hair is the owner, very established (30 years?) and thus the wait to get in.

I feel like I have spent way too much mental energy on this stupid trim. I even had a nightmare about it last night! I was thinking of posting it on the thread about hair dreams, but not sure I want to relive it.

Actually, I did a clarify yesterday with ACV rinse and my conditioning balm to follow and the ends seem better (it had been along time since I clarified). Another post on the Main Forum prompted me to do this. I sort of forgot abut clarifies. What are the odds she says I don't need a trim and sends me away? HA. Not likely. I mean, I CAN see splits...

Ok, so, I was going to wash my hair before I go because I don't want my hair going don the drain of their sinks and because I have NEVER had a good experience with the post-wash combing at a salon. Do you think she will be able to accurately determine the condition of my ends while they are wet?

Need to quit obsessing.

[myotislucifugus]

Do you think she will be able to accurately determine the condition of my ends while they are wet?

Not really, unless she is very attentive. If you aren't a daily washer, I'd wash the night before, and let it dry before going. You have a good idea of how much needs to go, balanced with how much you want to have cut. I would just give the raw numbers, and not leave it up to her/him to determine the condition of the hair, especially since you don't seem to trust the trimmer. If you have to trust them on both counts (the amount trimmed, and their judgment of your hair) it will increase your stress. Pick a number, and have them stick to it.

[MerryKat]

I managed to get a (very bad quality) picture of my hair this morning - 34 inches (Hip for me) with slight V hem (cut last night using Feye's self trim)
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=4183&pictureid=80275

[WaitingSoLong]

Well I am seriously thinking of cancelling my appt. I think I do have that phobia, because my heart starts racing thinking about it. How dumb. I was really astonished at the improvement of my ends after the clarify and even though I do have some splits, now that the ends don't FEEL fried, maybe they do not warrant a trim but rather a good S&D (which I don't have time to do really). I have a week to make up my mind. My rule has always been "when in doubt, don't" and I think I need to cancel it. I can always shcedule it again later. I am thinking about asking a 3rd party their opinion of my ends, like my Mom or someone. Wish I was friends with a stylist that would give me an honest opinion.

[Cleopatra18]

I feel so dissappointed with my progress,i think i have been stuck at hip forever! barely any growth and i really need to trim those see-through ends =S is it normal to be stuck at hip for such a long time??

[Suze334]

Is this what you're looking for?
http://community.livejournal.com/feyeselftrim
Yes-thanks!:)

[cmnt831]

You're welcome. :)

[Henrietta]

I feel so dissappointed with my progress,i think i have been stuck at hip forever! barely any growth and i really need to trim those see-through ends =S is it normal to be stuck at hip for such a long time??

Maybe it's because of the ends? I used to argue with hairdressers, who was saying that tirimming causes faster growth. This doesn't have to be true, though some people noticed faster growth after a trim. BUT I am sure that damaged ends crumble. And in a fact you are losing more length than you gain because of crumbling. That's why we need to trim. Not to stimulate growth but to stop crumbling. It's just my crazy theory, but it works in my case. I am stuck too, but at BSL, which is worse:D

[jane53]

I trim my hair every 6-8 weeks. I keep it at hip length, but it heads toward tailbone, and then the trim brings back its swing and shine. Trimming doesn't make hair grow faster, but it can help it to break less and look thicker and healthier.

[Henrietta]

I trim my hair every 6-8 weeks. I keep it at hip length, but it heads toward tailbone, and then the trim brings back its swing and shine. Trimming doesn't make hair grow faster, but it can help it to break less and look thicker and healthier.

That's exactly what I wanted to say;)
And it's also possible for hair to grow more than we trim. It depends on us, we don't have to cut off all the length we gained since the last trim;)

[Cleopatra18]

Maybe it's because of the ends? I used to argue with hairdressers, who was saying that tirimming causes faster growth. This doesn't have to be true, though some people noticed faster growth after a trim. BUT I am sure that damaged ends crumble. And in a fact you are losing more length than you gain because of crumbling. That's why we need to trim. Not to stimulate growth but to stop crumbling. It's just my crazy theory, but it works in my case. I am stuck too, but at BSL, which is worse:D
I really dont know,I dont think my hair is breaking or split in a horrible way,But i have seen very small progress since march.I have been under alot of stress and had a shedding phase which also contributed to my see-through ends.I am just tired of seeing all the people around me having thick long hair without doing all the efforts i have to do for my hair.:(

[MissManda]

Hello everyone! :waving:

I recently did a self-trim, which made me discover that my hair was longer than I thought it was. Before my trim,, I thought that I was just above waist (yay for hair anorexia) but I had to trim off three or four inches of hair off because I haven't been to the hair dresser in over a year-and-a-half and my ends were starting to resemble Velcro. When I finally trimmed all of my ends off, I realized that my new, even hemline is pretty much smack-dab on waist-length, maybe a little more. So my very thin ends were about halfway to hip-length!

So here I am! :D

I don't know when I'm going to get to tailbone length because I have decided to do monthly micro-trims to get rid of my horrible layers and to even up my hemline. Since my hair grows insanely fast (roughly a foot a year, no joke, I just measured how much my hair has grown), I expect to reach tailbone sometime within the next year, even with trims.

My final goal is Classic length, but I have been contemplating knee-length for a while now. I'll see what happens when I get to Classic and I'll just worry about getting to hip and tailbone lengths first.

[Johanna]

I am about an inch and a half away from tailbone!! Ah! That's only about 3 to 4 months for me. I've been doing tiny trims here and there to keep my hemline blunt and thick. It's not as thick as I would like, but it is very old dye down there so I can't expect too much.

I'm so excited, if I keep going on this path I'm going to have really nice, thick hear for my wedding in November next year :D

[jane53]

That's exactly what I wanted to say;)
And it's also possible for hair to grow more than we trim. It depends on us, we don't have to cut off all the length we gained since the last trim;)

I trim regularly, and sometimes a lot, and my hair always grows more than I trim. My hair does only one thing well: grow!

[WaitingSoLong]

I am just tired of seeing all the people around me having thick long hair without doing all the efforts i have to do for my hair.:(

Sometimes I think we try too hard. Before I ever started caring about my hair care, the stylists would always comment in awe at how healthy my hair was and ask me what I did. When I told them Pantene, they then proceded to chastise me. :rolleyes: I even blow fried my hair about daily back then. Of course, we are talking waist length or above. I swear after that it changes.


I am about an inch and a half away from tailbone!! Ah! That's only about 3 to 4 months for me.

I'm so excited, if I keep going on this path I'm going to have really nice, thick hear for my wedding in November next year :D


Oooh! Getting married with LOOONGG hair!

Hey, we are both at 36"! And both about 1.5" away from TBL! Are you 5'4" tall? I am going to do a microtrim on myself in a few days (I have to measure tomorrow first, I measure once a month for a year and tomorrow is my measure date for August). I grow about 1/2 to 3/4" a month. It averages right at 1/2, so I expect to be at TBL by my birthday in early December.

[Cupofmilk]

Hello all. I am tiptoeing in, my hair is oh so nearly waist length...
Anyway could some of you tell me roughly wear TB is for you. I am 5'10 and waist is about 32 inches, I think hip 35 inches and TB around 39 ish inches. Is it the very bottom of my backbone give or take an inch?
I am wondering if my measurements are out by a lot.
I shall be back properly in a couple of months when I feel more confident that I am really at waist. My hair was BSL (bottom bsl) in Dec 09 and has made it to waist 8 months later which is slow old growth.

[jane53]

I really dont know,I dont think my hair is breaking or split in a horrible way,But i have seen very small progress since march.I have been under alot of stress and had a shedding phase which also contributed to my see-through ends.I am just tired of seeing all the people around me having thick long hair without doing all the efforts i have to do for my hair.:(

Cleopatra, sometimes I think all the efforts backfire.

What does your hair do when you just wash it and lightly condition it a couple of times a week?

Good luck!

[Cupofmilk]

Cleopatra - I have been thinking back to when I last grew from waist to TB. I did have several periods of stalling. In my case I cut back to waist end of May 06 had my son in June 06. By Sept 07 it was hip. And there it stayed for a while - hormones and stress in my case - had my daughter in June 08 and my hair was not noticeably longer than in Sept 07. Then it grew madly for a while and stopped in May 09.
Everytime I get stressed or have any sort of hormonal change my hair sheds badly and it just wont grow. I do a lot of S&D. I also have 2a hair ( i think). The trouble I think with wavy hair can be that it needs to grow more to cover the same length due to the waves when compared with straight hair. Also I find that wavy hair tends to be quite prone to fairytale ends and I think they are more vulnerable to splitting/ damage etc. I also have very fine hair. The end result being that I have to wear it up nearly all the time to prevent damage and tangles. I also now rely heavily on coconut oil.

I am sorry I can't be much more use but have some hair growing :cheese: from me

[Johanna]

Oooh! Getting married with LOOONGG hair!

Hey, we are both at 36"! And both about 1.5" away from TBL! Are you 5'4" tall? I am going to do a microtrim on myself in a few days (I have to measure tomorrow first, I measure once a month for a year and tomorrow is my measure date for August). I grow about 1/2 to 3/4" a month. It averages right at 1/2, so I expect to be at TBL by my birthday in early December.

Close, I'm 5'5". I haven't been measuring on a regular basis, I think the last time I measured was about three months ago. It was a bit of a suprise when I went to update my details and I had jumped from 34.5 to 36. Makes it feel fast lol.

[Cleopatra18]

Sometimes I think we try too hard. Before I ever started caring about my hair care, the stylists would always comment in awe at how healthy my hair was and ask me what I did. When I told them Pantene, they then proceded to chastise me. :rolleyes: I even blow fried my hair about daily back then. Of course, we are talking waist length or above. I swear after that it changes.


I totaly agree with you,I was in the exact same position but my hair never reached anything after waist length,I think that hair just crumbles after that length and cant't deal with any further abuse.Sadly even my sister has hip length now (same as me) and she is even taller,and I wont talk about the things she does to her hair becuase they are simply too many.


Cleopatra, sometimes I think all the efforts backfire.

What does your hair do when you just wash it and lightly condition it a couple of times a week?

Good luck!
I really do my best with my hair.Also for me,caring for my hair is sort of a treat for myself so sometimes i think i might over do it to be honest,but i dont think i ever did anything damaging or harming to my hair in any way.


Cleopatra - I have been thinking back to when I last grew from waist to TB. I did have several periods of stalling. In my case I cut back to waist end of May 06 had my son in June 06. By Sept 07 it was hip. And there it stayed for a while - hormones and stress in my case - had my daughter in June 08 and my hair was not noticeably longer than in Sept 07. Then it grew madly for a while and stopped in May 09.
Everytime I get stressed or have any sort of hormonal change my hair sheds badly and it just wont grow. I do a lot of S&D. I also have 2a hair ( i think). The trouble I think with wavy hair can be that it needs to grow more to cover the same length due to the waves when compared with straight hair. Also I find that wavy hair tends to be quite prone to fairytale ends and I think they are more vulnerable to splitting/ damage etc. I also have very fine hair. The end result being that I have to wear it up nearly all the time to prevent damage and tangles. I also now rely heavily on coconut oil.

I am sorry I can't be much more use but have some hair growing :cheese: from me

My hair also sheds SO MUCH from stress and god knows how much i pressure i was under last year,but also it sheds in the fall AND in the spring..and it's really frustrating sometimes.The S&D are the main cause for my thin ends because when i started i had ALOT of split ends and I just didnt want to trim anymore (i trimmed 2-3 inches at the begining) so i did S&D every other day to remove the splits (which sometimes were 2-4 inches up the shaft).I just want to get to tailbone so I can cut all that damage and fairy tale ends.

[Cherry_Sprinkle]

I'm holding steady right between waist and hip at my longest layer when pulled straight.. :( just not moving past there! and coming back from Europe left me with a huge shed so it feels really thin too :( just needed to vent a little.

[RadiantNeedle]

Shed shed shed shed shed. Ugh. Thinking of trimming back to waist from hip to get rid of some damage. Not sure if I should cut some thicker bangs, cos my hair feels thin enough already.

[TinaDenali]

I'm solidly in this group, now. And it's exciting! My goal is tailbone, so likely this will be my home.

It took me two years to get from chin to waist length, so I'm thinking that by summer time NEXT year I'll be quite near tailbone. Without any trims, that is. We'll just have to wait and see...

ETA -

I just measured my hair and it's 29.25 now! When I joined in March my hair was at 25 inches, so I've gained 4.25 inches in 6 months! Yay!!

[Cupofmilk]

TinaDenali - that is amazing growth - wow.

Radiant Needle & Cherry Sprinkle - sorry about the shedding. Mine has been awful this year. I had my son in Oct 09 and starting shedding in Feb when I stopped feeding him. Since then I had a m/c very recently and the shed has started again in a major way. The trouble is when you are already stressed it is the last thing you need as it creates more stress.

[TinaDenali]

Thank you, Cupofmilk :)

That is one thing I am really afraid of with having children... the shed! I'm not afraid of labor or anything else... it's the dreaded shed....!!!

[HuggyBear]

Thank you, Cupofmilk :)

That is one thing I am really afraid of with having children... the shed! I'm not afraid of labor or anything else... it's the dreaded shed....!!!

I've had 3 kids and did not have excessive shedding after any of them. So not everyone experiences it, at least to the extent that it is really noticeable. :)

[RadiantNeedle]

Well, I've been stressed to the point of nearly throwing up this week, so I'm sure that has something to do with the shedding. I'm pretty certain I'm sensitive to sulphates, but having an anxiety disorder doesn't help matters either!

[Brianna]

Another shedder here. I recently trimmed it myself because the ends were looking so thin, but I'm not sure it helped much. :rolleyes: I seem to be permanently stuck at hip as well, so that's doubly irritating.

It's frustrating how slowly my hair seems to be growing, and I'm starting to feel like I'll never end up at tailbone, let alone classic. :(

[TinaDenali]

I've had 3 kids and did not have excessive shedding after any of them. So not everyone experiences it, at least to the extent that it is really noticeable. :)

Oh, well great to know!! I'll keep my fingers crossed that I don't go though the shed, either! :)

[WaitingSoLong]

OK! Yesterday was my measure date and I measured somewhere between 36.25 - 36.5. I did a self-dusting, my first ever. It looks even! DH said I am an even 36" now so I am very happy I canceled my trimming appointment, saved $25 and didn't ruin my hair. I was pleased that, in the last month, my hair had grown from 35.5 to 36. 25, 3/4"!!

No more trimming for a year, if a dusting even counts. I then set out to do an S&D. There was nothing to S&D on my ends, but the shorter hair around the circumference of my head (is there a term for this hair?) always takes the most abuse and there were many splits to S&D there. That hair is nowhere near hip lenth.

I also did an experiment the last week or so with my regular conditioner vs. the Bioloage Balm, and I think I am ditching the regular conditioner. My hair has ALWAYS loved cones but either our water has changed or at hip+ length my hair changed it's "mind"? Also not sure I can oil it anymore.

Now if I can get switched over to sulfate-free poo...

[myotislucifugus]

I also did an experiment the last week or so with my regular conditioner vs. the Bioloage Balm, and I think I am ditching the regular conditioner. My hair has ALWAYS loved cones but either our water has changed or at hip+ length my hair changed it's "mind"? Also not sure I can oil it anymore.

Interesting, my hair seems to have done the same thing. I hit 35" and it was almost as though my hair did change it's mind. It doesn't like oil any more, it seems to prefer shampoo bars with VO5 conditioner on the last 6 inches, and nothing else. It is light, soft and fluffy when I follow that routine, it is lank and sad when I add oils or other leave ins... When I oil, my hair is either limp, or like plastic.

[Teufelchen]

I am so unhappy at the moment. I am stuck at hip, my hair does not seem to grow at all atm. I had 1cm growth last month, (I usually have around 1,5cm) But it seems to not grow at all. I checked my shedding rate and it shoul dnot have hit terminal legth yet, but I am worried. Why does it not grow?
The only thing I have changed, is I do CO twice a week and CWC once a week, instead of CWC twice a week. Could that stop my hair from growing?

[luxepiggy]

Sometimes I think we try too hard. Before I ever started caring about my hair care, the stylists would always comment in awe at how healthy my hair was and ask me what I did. When I told them Pantene, they then proceded to chastise me. :rolleyes: I even blow fried my hair about daily back then.

Seriously - I used to lather up with my trusty pantene every single day, end my hair was super shiny and soft from age 5 thru age 26. Then I hit 27 and my shine went on strike for better working conditions (^(oo)^)


I'm solidly in this group, now. And it's exciting! My goal is tailbone, so likely this will be my home.

It took me two years to get from chin to waist length, so I'm thinking that by summer time NEXT year I'll be quite near tailbone. Without any trims, that is. We'll just have to wait and see...

ETA -

I just measured my hair and it's 29.25 now! When I joined in March my hair was at 25 inches, so I've gained 4.25 inches in 6 months! Yay!!

congrats on the super-fast growth! \(^(oo)^)/ I'm planning to be a "regular" here too - it's been a longtime habit of mine to let my hair grow to TB, then cut back to waist, ad infinitum (^(oo)^)

[myotislucifugus]

I am so unhappy at the moment. I am stuck at hip, my hair does not seem to grow at all atm. I had 1cm growth last month, (I usually have around 1,5cm) But it seems to not grow at all. I checked my shedding rate and it shoul dnot have hit terminal legth yet, but I am worried. Why does it not grow?
The only thing I have changed, is I do CO twice a week and CWC once a week, instead of CWC twice a week. Could that stop my hair from growing?

Sounds like a stall. I would just relax, a lot of people around here seem to hit a stall at either waist or hip. It can last for a few months, but you'll be back to growing before you know it. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've been stalling for about 2 months now. I can't seem to quite hit tailbone...

[tcheney91]

I realized in the shower yesterday that I'm less than an inch from BCL! That's a huge milestone for me. I'm making progress! Yay!

[TinaDenali]

congrats on the super-fast growth! \(^(oo)^)/ I'm planning to be a "regular" here too - it's been a longtime habit of mine to let my hair grow to TB, then cut back to waist, ad infinitum (^(oo)^)

Thank you!!

[Henrietta]

I realized in the shower yesterday that I'm less than an inch from BCL! That's a huge milestone for me. I'm making progress! Yay!

So you will reach BCL in about 2 months! Yaay! It's so close! :)

[Teufelchen]

Sounds like a stall. I would just relax, a lot of people around here seem to hit a stall at either waist or hip. It can last for a few months, but you'll be back to growing before you know it. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've been stalling for about 2 months now. I can't seem to quite hit tailbone...
I guess I am lacking patience at the moment. Hopefully you are right, I want 90cm at Christmas, I am currently at 86.5cm So another 3.5 cm to got in about 3 month.

[myotislucifugus]

I'm pretty sure I'll hit tailbone by Christmas, probably a little bit before, and then I'll maintain there for a few months. We can do it!

[Quahatundightu]

Wwoooow Teufelchen I am astounded!! I am on 86.5cm as well and only need 3.5 more cm to TB!! XD Can't believe we have the same measurements!! Exciting! XD Of course my hair is slow growing so I think it will take me until at least April next year, but who knows. I am just shocked at how similar our torsos must me! Hahaha :D

[Teufelchen]

Wwoooow Teufelchen I am astounded!! I am on 86.5cm as well and only need 3.5 more cm to TB!! XD Can't believe we have the same measurements!! Exciting! XD Of course my hair is slow growing so I think it will take me until at least April next year, but who knows. I am just shocked at how similar our torsos must me! Hahaha :D
Unfortunately I hit TBL at 95ish cm. So I have to grow it 8.5cm more to get it. 90cm is just the next tiny goal which I already had in July, before 5.5cm were cut.:( I agreed with 3cm, but in the end my hair was 5.5cm shorter.
And in addition to that, my hair just took a brake on growing.

But I have quite short legs, so I hit the golden cut just 5cm beyond classic. :)

[Quahatundightu]

Teufelchen Oh sorry to have misinterpreted! And it sucks that your hairdresser didn't listen to you :( Hopefully your hair will get out of its stall and be at TB in no time. <3

I should really get a trim myself, but as my hair grows so slowly I have decided to just let it stay see-through and start maintaining once I reach TB. If I ever get there, man does my hair move at glacial speed!

[janeytilllie]

I have just hit waist length :D I'm hoping I will be tailbone by Christmas.

[Teufelchen]

Teufelchen Oh sorry to have misinterpreted! And it sucks that your hairdresser didn't listen to you :( Hopefully your hair will get out of its stall and be at TB in no time. <3

I should really get a trim myself, but as my hair grows so slowly I have decided to just let it stay see-through and start maintaining once I reach TB. If I ever get there, man does my hair move at glacial speed!
I guess it will start growing faster now, as it knows you won't cut it. ;)

[Heidi_234]

Unfortunately I hit TBL at 95ish cm. So I have to grow it 8.5cm more to get it.
My TBL is about 100cm :) I was almost there, but I trimmed and now I'm set back a little. Stalls are annoying, but it's okay. you'll get to TBL sooner than you realize :D

[Faolan]

I'm about waist right now and I've been thinking I'll go for TB. I've got a lot of splits though, so I think a trim is in order which is going to set me back a couple inches.

[MsBubbles]

Another newbie to the waist-to-tailbone thread here!! I just took some pics of my hair and noticed it was an inch past my waist. I am high waisted, it seems (30" - 31"). I actually really only have my ultimate goal as hip, not tailbone but I'm sure that'll change ;). I have no idea what part of my hip to aim for. Maybe once I can upload my latest photo some of you can help me figure that out!

[luxepiggy]

Another newbie to the waist-to-tailbone thread here!! I just took some pics of my hair and noticed it was an inch past my waist. I am high waisted, it seems (30" - 31"). I actually really only have my ultimate goal as hip, not tailbone but I'm sure that'll change ;). I have no idea what part of my hip to aim for. Maybe once I can upload my latest photo some of you can help me figure that out!

On me, I find lengths between waist & high hip to be more flattering than lengths between high hip & TBL. I think it's probably for the same reason one should avoid skirts or boots that stop at the widest part of the calf; it tends to make people think the rest of you is the same width! :p

Of course, those of taller stature may not have this issue; maybe it's unique to very small piggies

[TinaDenali]

I have just hit waist length :D I'm hoping I will be tailbone by Christmas.

Your hair grows incredibly fast, Janey - you'll make TBL by Christmas :)

[sunrain]

Whee, I fit in this journey thread! Right now, I'm about 2 inches past waist if my eyes don't deceive me. I'm kind of short, so that's around 30 inches. I don't think I've ever grown my hair past hip, but I hope to be at least hip+ by Christmas. I'm praying that my growth rate won't slow down or stall, haha. My ultimate goal is terminal, which I hope is at least knee-length.

[Henrietta]

Whee, I fit in this journey thread! Right now, I'm about 2 inches past waist if my eyes don't deceive me. I'm kind of short, so that's around 30 inches. I don't think I've ever grown my hair past hip, but I hope to be at least hip+ by Christmas. I'm praying that my growth rate won't slow down or stall, haha. My ultimate goal is terminal, which I hope is at least knee-length.

Though I don't belong here officially I am glad to welcome you here:) Don't even think about a stall. Or terminal length:D Just enjoy your journey! :cheese:

[Quahatundightu]

Yay congrats and welcome to the new people in the thread :) Wishing you fast growth!!! :)

[janeytilllie]

Your hair grows incredibly fast, Janey - you'll make TBL by Christmas :)

Thank you :flower:

[Schipperchow]

I'm a new member & I hope to reach TBL stretched next winter. I am a little past waist now.

HHG everyone:)

[Henrietta]

I'm a new member & I hope to reach TBL stretched next winter. I am a little past waist now.

HHG everyone:)


Yaaay! Hello there. Happy growing ;)
From waist to TBL... You will be there faster than you expect! :)

[Schipperchow]

^^ Thank you Henrietta. I've been a lurker for years & this is one of the threads that I frequent. I finally decided to come out of hiding!

[Henrietta]

^^ Thank you Henrietta. I've been a lurker for years & this is one of the threads that I frequent. I finally decided to come out of hiding!

Years...? I am glad you came out of hiding;)
I should hide, haha:) I mean here, in this thread. Officially I am in BSL to waist;) Pssst... ;)

[sunrain]

Thanks Henrietta! I am certainly enjoying the journey with all these lovely people to keep company! Oh, and I just wanted to say that I recognize your avatar. I know who the artist is, haha.

[MsBubbles]

On me, I find lengths between waist & high hip to be more flattering than lengths between high hip & TBL. I think it's probably for the same reason one should avoid skirts or boots that stop at the widest part of the calf; it tends to make people think the rest of you is the same width! :p

Of course, those of taller stature may not have this issue; maybe it's unique to very small piggies

Hmm, that's something to think about! I mean I have a high waist but a really long (and wide) rear end. If I ever wanted to create the illusion of a smaller butt by covering it with my ends it would be another ten years...probably :p.

I think for you, Luxepiggy, and others with thick hair, it hides a lot more. My hair is relatively thin and starting to get threadbare on the ends, so people can still see my narrower parts. Ha ha. Well there's one advantage to having ratty ends, I guess.:D

I think I want to get to hip and stay there because I don't think I want to put up with my hair any longer than that. I think it will get on my nerves much beyond that. I dunno. I'm sure I'll change my mind later.

[Henrietta]

Thanks Henrietta! I am certainly enjoying the journey with all these lovely people to keep company! Oh, and I just wanted to say that I recognize your avatar. I know who the artist is, haha.

Great, because I need to admit I don't know. Shame on me... :o I found it using Google, I was looking for pictures of an elf.

I am trying to ignore my hair. Or at least the "growing" part. "Taking care" part cannot be ignored;) Maybe one day I will woke up with waist length finally.

[sunrain]

Great, because I need to admit I don't know. Shame on me... :o I found it using Google, I was looking for pictures of an elf.

I am trying to ignore my hair. Or at least the "growing" part. "Taking care" part cannot be ignored;) Maybe one day I will woke up with waist length finally.

Lol, the artist's website is meadowhaven.net (http://meadowhaven.net/). Her art is really pretty, and she has plenty of art featuring long hairs!

I'm kind of in the same boat with growing. I'm trying to ignore growth for at least 3 months, which will be much easier once school starts. In the meantime, experimenting with treatments and styling will be lots of fun!

[Henrietta]

Lol, the artist's website is meadowhaven.net (http://meadowhaven.net/). Her art is really pretty, and she has plenty of art featuring long hairs!

I'm kind of in the same boat with growing. I'm trying to ignore growth for at least 3 months, which will be much easier once school starts. In the meantime, experimenting with treatments and styling will be lots of fun!

School! Indeed! I am totally afraid (I'm starting university in October) but at least I will have less time to obsess with hair:D

[Johanna]

I had my morning shower today and noticed that the ends were tickling me in places they havent before. My hair hits tbl when wet :D :D Now to just get it there when dry. It's looking like I'll be there by the end of November. Yaaaaay!

[WaitingSoLong]

I had my morning shower today and noticed that the ends were tickling me in places they havent before. My hair hits tbl when wet :D :D Now to just get it there when dry. It's looking like I'll be there by the end of November. Yaaaaay!

ME TOO ME TOO

I finally finished sewing myself a silky sleep cap (long). It goes down to TBL so I will know I am at a good solid TBL when my ends stick out of the cap.

[kjirstiben]

I had my morning shower today and noticed that the ends were tickling me in places they havent before. My hair hits tbl when wet :D :D Now to just get it there when dry. It's looking like I'll be there by the end of November. Yaaaaay!


ME TOO ME TOO

Yay! Congratulations! So exciting!

Sigh. I was there a month ago, but my fairytale ends were really starting to get Velcroey and annoyed me, so I did a big (~3") trim and I'm back to just barely hip length. It's SO much healthier now, and I think I got the rest of the "long layers" that I had cut about 5 years ago (forgot about that until this trim left me with nontapered hair!), but now I have to wait it out to tailbone again.

[RoseRedDead]

Still hanging out. At the beginning of next month I'm gonna get 1'' taken off, instead of my usual 1/2''. Feel the need to thicken up Ye Old Hemline.

It feels like it's taking forever to get to tailbone, and I don't really know when I'll reach it, but most days I enjoy this length.

[Henrietta]

ME TOO ME TOO

I finally finished sewing myself a silky sleep cap (long). It goes down to TBL so I will know I am at a good solid TBL when my ends stick out of the cap.

Do you have any pics? It sounds like an interesting project ;)

[mglmdvd]

I had my morning shower today and noticed that the ends were tickling me in places they havent before. My hair hits tbl when wet :D :D Now to just get it there when dry. It's looking like I'll be there by the end of November. Yaaaaay!
After a shower with my hair wet and the curl pulled straighter, I've always thought it's great to feel how much farther the ends reach down!

[WaitingSoLong]

Do you have any pics? It sounds like an interesting project ;)

No, I am going to have hubby take one tonight. Then I have to re-teach myself photobucket. I always forget how to do it in between times.

I cannot get a pic on my own without my face being in it. My hair is up for the day now. It is a very crude cap, seeing that I made it from a pajama pant leg.

[sunrain]

I just realized that I'm about an inch from hip! I thought I was closer to waist than hip. In the shower last night, my hair was tickling my skin in that general area, so I checked the mirror. Dry, my hair definitely looks like it's getting close to my hipbones! Yeah, just wanted to share. :)

[luxepiggy]

I just realized that I'm about an inch from hip! I thought I was closer to waist than hip. In the shower last night, my hair was tickling my skin in that general area, so I checked the mirror. Dry, my hair definitely looks like it's getting close to my hipbones! Yeah, just wanted to share. :)
congrats! (^(oo)^)

[WaitingSoLong]

side view (http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp17/Poetry4me75/P1030516.jpg)
Back view (http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp17/Poetry4me75/P1030518.jpg)

Here are 2 pictures of the sleep stocking I made. If anyone knows of a place I can buy something like this (I prefer not to sew) please direct me to the website! I have looked and looked...:eye:

Going to crosspost these links to the Mane Forum.

[Henrietta]

side view (http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp17/Poetry4me75/P1030516.jpg)
Back view (http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp17/Poetry4me75/P1030518.jpg)

Here are 2 pictures of the sleep stocking I made. If anyone knows of a place I can buy something like this (I prefer not to sew) please direct me to the website! I have looked and looked...:eye:

Going to crosspost these links to the Mane Forum.

Great project! I have never thought about a pyjamas leg. Thank you for sharing :flower:

sunrain, congrats! It must be awesome to discover something like this:)

[WaitingSoLong]

Trying to figure out who gave me the pajama idea. Going to do a search...

OK, it was METRYKAT.

Link to thread: wet hair options and sleep braid question (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?p=1232660&highlight=pajama#post1232660)

[Henrietta]

Trying to figure out who gave me the pajama idea. Going to do a search...

OK, it was METRYKAT.

Link to thread: wet hair options and sleep braid question (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?p=1232660&highlight=pajama#post1232660)
Thank you :flower: I have just one more question. metrykat's explanation is not clear for me, as I am foreign speaker... The wider part, I mean the "thigh" end is a "head" part and the end of the leg which was close to the foot is at the end of the hair? Or the other way round? ;)

[WaitingSoLong]

Thank you :flower: I have just one more question. metrykat's explanation is not clear for me, as I am foreign speaker... The wider part, I mean the "thigh" end is a "head" part and the end of the leg which was close to the foot is at the end of the hair? Or the other way round? ;)

The "foot" part is what goes around your head. I had to read it a couple time, too.

[Johanna]

Latest length shot, taken at night. My hair is still partially wet here so it looks a bit stringy and thin at the bottom (if only I could say the same about my rear :P ) I was way too impation for it to dry fully.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/Eruanna_jo/IMG_1349.jpg
It looks so dark in this photo, if only it always looked that dark :D

I had to update my hair classifiers today. I've gained an extra two inches in thickness now that my virgin hair has reached long enough to grab into a ponytail, it's now 5" which is the size of my wrist! I'm looking forward to the thickness I get at my hemline when I'm virgin XD

[eamane]

Johanna: that looks great! :)
I'm not really meassuring my hair at the moment but last night when washing my hair I noticed that when wet, my hair reached hip! I showed DH and he said it looked better now than before I had that big cut last December :D

[WaitingSoLong]

Wow Johanna that is major thickness! My hair is 36" as well but my pony is only like 2.5". And you have a nice rear...can I say that? lol. Mine is all flat and not "perky".

ETA: I am definitely BCL, "just so". I looked after my shower today (the only time I can tell where BCL is is when I am naked) and it is definitely just at BCL. Another inch or so to TBL.

[Henrietta]

Wow Johanna that is major thickness! My hair is 36" as well but my pony is only like 2.5". And you have a nice rear...can I say that? lol. Mine is all flat and not "perky".

ETA: I am definitely BCL, "just so". I looked after my shower today (the only time I can tell where BCL is is when I am naked) and it is definitely just at BCL. Another inch or so to TBL.

What is the full form of BCL? This is the only abbreviation that I cannot remember:D I know where it is but full version of it's name always runs away from my memory.

[Armelle]

Oh hair...why won't you GROW?! :wail:
It was nearly tb length a year and a half ago before the hair disaster. Now it doesn't seem interested in growing that long!

[MissManda]

What is the full form of BCL? This is the only abbreviation that I cannot remember:D I know where it is but full version of it's name always runs away from my memory.

I was about to ask the same question! :) *Curious.*

ETA: After a little bit of thinking, I believe BCL might mean b*ttcr*ck length. lol :o

[xoxophelia]

It means Butt Cleavage Length :P

[Henrietta]

It means Butt Cleavage Length :P

I will write it down;)

[sunrain]

Johanna, your hair looks really nice! It doesn't look as stringy or thin as you seem to think it is. And whoa, your circumference really jumped! I want my circumference to jump like that, too! :D

[Ravenwaves 88]

I am in my 8th month of no trims. I was trying to hold out for a year but I miss being able to easily finger comb my hair. Is this just a length issue in combination with clingy ends? Or could I trim those ends off and get some managable hair again? I've never had it this long so I just don't know what to do besides just keep it up forever. :(

[xoxophelia]

I am in my 8th month of no trims. I was trying to hold out for a year but I miss being able to easily finger comb my hair. Is this just a length issue in combination with clingy ends? Or could I trim those ends off and get some managable hair again? I've never had it this long so I just don't know what to do besides just keep it up forever. :(

If you have already clarified and tried different methods to moisturize, then I would start with a dusting. Even the smallest trims can make a huge difference I have found with clingy ends :)

[WaitingSoLong]

Ravenwaves: From waist on does seem to cross some manageability threshhold for many people. It did for me. Abive waist, I did not really have to baby my hair.

I just did a dusting and am very glad I did!

[constantki]

Yay!! This is me. I'm a few inches past waist length and growing strong!

[constantki]

Just for reference-- where exactly does tailbone length fall? I'm a bit confused...

[Jules diamond]

Just for reference-- where exactly does tailbone length fall? I'm a bit confused...

It's just before your butt crack I think.

[kittensoupnrice]

Some people here use BCL to mean TBL.
Others like to use the actual end of tailbone as the indicator, which for many is about an inch down from BCL.

[constantki]

It's just before your butt crack I think.
Thanks! It seems I have about 2 to 2 1/2 inches to go then. :joy:

[Johanna]

Thanks guys!

For me, above waist length I had no hassles with my hair at all. I could constantly leave it down and I didn't have issues with it being lent on or caught up when I slept. From about waist length onwards I've had to braid it to keep it out of the way. My parents were weirded out when I went home wearing updo's.

Getting incresingly longer! Woo! Just did a little bit of a s&d and my ends are feeling so much prettier. Yay for self controlled scissors.

[Carolyn]

I am in my 8th month of no trims. I was trying to hold out for a year but I miss being able to easily finger comb my hair. Is this just a length issue in combination with clingy ends? Or could I trim those ends off and get some managable hair again? I've never had it this long so I just don't know what to do besides just keep it up forever. :(Do you do S & D? I find I need to keep up with it regularly or my ends are Velcro-like.

[jane53]

As for the manageability matter--that's why I keep mine hip length. Longer than waist but shorter than tailbone. It's manageable for me at that length, but not at tailbone and longer.

[Rivanariko]

wearing it down seems to be becoming more and more of a hassle as I get longer. In the car, I used to just be able to flip it in front of my shoulder to avoid the seatbelt and it was fine. Now, when I do that, it gets caught under the lap belt, rather than the shoulder strap...

I've got maybe another 1/2" to tailbone. :D if I don't decide I need a trim before then...

[Gemma]

Been away for a while, and doing some serious 'benign neglect' when it comes to my hair. I haven't been fussing with it or taking pictures of it for some time because it seemed like it wasn't growing at all. I finally caved and got a pretty decent length shot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Keller/Hair/IMG_3705a.jpg

I really feel like I am hovering at this point, and it's super frustrating because my hair also springs back up 3 inches whenever it's fully dry. I've also had to do a few trims so, although I know my hair is growing thanks to my roots (growing out henna, right now), it is staying the same length.

Right now, I am torn between persevering, and cutting it.

[Cirafly24]

My hair is just about at BCL now when stretched. I still consider another inch or so before I get to TBL. I will try to get a length photo tonight after it's dry. I finally got batteries for my camera, so I'm excited! I haven't been able to take any photos for months.

[myotislucifugus]

My hair is just about at BCL now when stretched. I still consider another inch or so before I get to TBL. I will try to get a length photo tonight after it's dry. I finally got batteries for my camera, so I'm excited! I haven't been able to take any photos for months.
Ha ha! I did this yesterday! New pics soon.

[WaitingSoLong]

An inch to go to TBL.

I love to tilt my head back as far as it can go and see how long it is then. Going by past experience, when I do this, it is about how long my hair will be in a year without trims.

Today when I tilted it back, it reached MID-THIGH!! Whoa! I have not done this in some time and was shocked. Last time I did it, it reached almost classic!

[WaitingSoLong]

Post the pictures already! I want to see!

[constantki]

When my hair is wet, I only have about 2 inches to go until tailbone, but when it is dry that number doubles.

[Heidi_234]

Mine is 'can I call it TBL' when wet. :D But when dry it's visually between waist and hip length, so I suppose I still have a year or so before I even think of graduating from this thread. ;)

[paperwhite]

Hi everyone :waving: I'm jumping into this thread after leaving the BSL to Waist thread. I kind of took the benign neglect thing into taking and posting progress pictures...I'm lazy with photos. Badly. It's been a while since I took any hair pictures and even longer since I posted any, and I didn't realize I'd gained a few inches.

Anyway, I'm about two inches past waist right now (I'd post a pic, but we can't upload to our albums just now), and hope to get to TBL as soon as possible. :)

[Irnann]

Hello ladies,

may i join this thread? I think i am quite a while now at waist, and my ends are healthy enough to go on i think.

My hair ist stubborn, so i need really some advises for updos. I tried sticks and forkes, but i have allways the feeling, my hair on one hand is not long enough for it, on the other its to heavy to be hold by sticks and forks and my scalp starts hurting after a while because i have to make the updos so tight that they stay on there place....does this make sense??

My daily updos are braids an scrunchie-buns.... very boring.....

[swivelhop]

I'd like to join here as well. After seeing video I realized my hair might be "long on me" but I am short and it doesn't move like long hair. So back to letting it get longer.

[paperwhite]

<snip>
My hair ist stubborn, so i need really some advises for updos. I tried sticks and forkes, but i have allways the feeling, my hair on one hand is not long enough for it, on the other its to heavy to be hold by sticks and forks and my scalp starts hurting after a while because i have to make the updos so tight that they stay on there place....does this make sense??

My daily updos are braids an scrunchie-buns.... very boring.....

Have you tried wide bear claw clips over a gently twisted bun/doubled over twist? I'm talking about clips that look like the ones on the second row of this page:

http://www.scrunchies.com/index.cfm?templ=accessories

I have one that I've had forever and I love it, I use it constantly. It's really durable and it can hold a lot of hair without feeling like it's pulling in any one direction or feeling heavy.

[Carolyn]

I have another 1-2" to go to hip length. I'm loving my length so much more this time around.

[Irnann]

Have you tried wide bear claw clips over a gently twisted bun/doubled over twist? I'm talking about clips that look like the ones on the second row of this page:

http://www.scrunchies.com/index.cfm?templ=accessories

I have one that I've had forever and I love it, I use it constantly. It's really durable and it can hold a lot of hair without feeling like it's pulling in any one direction or feeling heavy.


I am living in germany and this brand i have not seen here, but i have a lots of claw clips in all sizes. Unfortunately all of them are hurting or they can 't keep my hair in place.

Just today i was wearing a big oktopus claw-clip over my ponytail-5-strand-braid to hold the elastic a bit more secure on place, but there where no chance to take more hair into it, so the tail was hanging down.

Last week i bought the biggest claw-clip i ever had, but this one was to soft to hold it up. My stup---stubborn hair just makes itselfs bigger and bigger, the clip opened under the pressure...thats it.

But thank you for your suggestion, if i see this brand here one day, i will try it for sure!

[luxepiggy]

Hello ladies,

may i join this thread? I think i am quite a while now at waist, and my ends are healthy enough to go on i think.

My hair ist stubborn, so i need really some advises for updos. I tried sticks and forkes, but i have allways the feeling, my hair on one hand is not long enough for it, on the other its to heavy to be hold by sticks and forks and my scalp starts hurting after a while because i have to make the updos so tight that they stay on there place....does this make sense??

My daily updos are braids an scrunchie-buns.... very boring.....

What types of updos are you making with the sticks & forks? I've never had issues with updos pulling on my scalp when I use sticks - how are you inserting the sticks?

Also, on another note - have you tried a sockbun? I find those to be very comfy for all-day wear as well (^(oo)^)v

[WaitingSoLong]

I feel like I am stalled but I know I am not. It is just frustrating, when I was at 34", it looked like I had about 1.5" to go to TBL. Now I am 36" and still have at least another inch. Maybe my perception of where TBL is changed? I was going by my actual tailbone knobby thing.

So close....why is it taking so long? :yawn: LOL, hence my screen name.

[luxepiggy]

This little piggy gave herself a haircut! (^(oo)^)v

I took off about 3-4 inches over the weekend, which put me safely above TBL, but still past hip. Probably will cut another 3 inches or so to get myself between waist & high hip today or tomorrow.

I guess this thread's going to be stuck with me for a while! (^(oo)^)

[swivelhop]

Waist to tailbone might be my permanent home. I tried fingertip length once, got frustrated at having to "find my hands."

[SpinDance]

Hello ladies,

may i join this thread? I think i am quite a while now at waist, and my ends are healthy enough to go on i think.

My hair ist stubborn, so i need really some advises for updos. I tried sticks and forkes, but i have allways the feeling, my hair on one hand is not long enough for it, on the other its to heavy to be hold by sticks and forks and my scalp starts hurting after a while because i have to make the updos so tight that they stay on there place....does this make sense??

My daily updos are braids an scrunchie-buns.... very boring.....

Welcome! This may be my permanent home. :)

Looking for up-do instruction was how I first found LHC. Have you found the article section?

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/vbjournal.php?do=category&categoryid=1

I spent a long time reviewing and practicing making buns. The instructions and videos are great. Now I wear buns every day instead of braiding. I find them much easier, faster and more comfortable than any other way to wear my hair. It's amazing how easy and comfortable a single stick can be once you figure out how to use it right! :D

[JCFantasy23]

When I started conditioning my hair it got into a growth spurt and it took about four months to get to waist, and now the longest strands are about hip. Haven't gotten to tailbone just yet.

[luxepiggy]

Waist to tailbone might be my permanent home. I tried fingertip length once, got frustrated at having to "find my hands."


Welcome! This may be my permanent home. :)



Yay! Some fellow permanent residents (^(oo)^)

[WaitingSoLong]

I was going to be a permanent resident but decided to go on to Classic once I get to TBL. I am not to TBL yet so we will see. I reserve the right to change my mind! (AGAIN).

[Irnann]

What types of updos are you making with the sticks & forks? I've never had issues with updos pulling on my scalp when I use sticks - how are you inserting the sticks?

Also, on another note - have you tried a sockbun? I find those to be very comfy for all-day wear as well (^(oo)^)v

I tried the chinese bun and the figur 8 several times the last view years and every time i was not very successfull. Maybee its not my hair which is strange, but my hands?

The sockbun worked very well untill i past midback length. Now its looking to big, i look like an alien with it:shrugg:

[Gemma]

I feel like I am stalled but I know I am not. It is just frustrating, when I was at 34", it looked like I had about 1.5" to go to TBL. Now I am 36" and still have at least another inch. Maybe my perception of where TBL is changed? I was going by my actual tailbone knobby thing.

So close....why is it taking so long? :yawn: LOL, hence my screen name.

I am right there with you!

My hair feels so short to me, as if it isn't growing at all, even though it must be since my roots are horrendous (growing out henna is a chore). DH took a shot of me the other day when I was out wading and I was surprised by how long my hair looks from the back. It looks shorter when I'm peering over my shoulder. So I had him take some shots for me. I feel like I have been saying "so close" for MONTHS.

Wet hair:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Keller/Hair/IMG_3712.jpg

Dry hair with braid waves brushed out:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Keller/Hair/IMG_3715a.jpg

[freckles]

my hair seems to be breaking as fast as it is growing right now. I'm still dead-on waist and it seems to be going nowhere. Sigh.

[Locksmith]

Does anyone else find that plaiting their hair at this length is really annoying? Maybe it's just my hairtype, but whenever I try to do anything more complex than an English braid, or God forbid a half-up, the ends of my hair all cling and stick to each other. It's maddening! :(

[Heidi_234]

Locksmith, could it be build up? It can make hair act grabby and velcro like on the ends. My ends are quite damaged and all worn out and it happens to me all the time. When I braid I have to separate the strands every once in a while, and when I undo the braid I need to be extra careful and undo each bump separately before moving up or I'll get a nasty tangle on my ends.

[Locksmith]

Locksmith, could it be build up? It can make hair act grabby and velcro like on the ends. My ends are quite damaged and all worn out and it happens to me all the time. When I braid I have to separate the strands every once in a while, and when I undo the braid I need to be extra careful and undo each bump separately before moving up or I'll get a nasty tangle on my ends.

Hmmm. I guess it could be, though I do an acid rinse every time I wash, and it's not long since I clarified with an SLS shampoo. :shrug: You're probably right about it being damage - I know I badly need a trim!

[LindsayNichole]

I think my hair is hip length now... I'm pregnant and my stomach is starting to really grow faster, so it's kinda hard for me to tell exactly where my waist and hips used to be compared to where they are now! But I'd say my hair reaches just to the top of my hipbones.

I don't know how long I want to grow my hair. The plan was to grow to waist, then decide where to maintain there, or grow it longer. I'm way to attached to it to cut it now! Also, I've determined not to cut beyond S&D until after the baby in January. Don't want to do anything I'd regret because of pregnancy brain! I think I'm going to go to classic, then make another decision from there. But for now, I'm eagerly awaiting TBL! :D

[WaitingSoLong]

Well I did a microtrim or dusting back on August 29th and I have grown 1/2- 3/4" since then! Yay! I measured my hair in centimetres for fun and it was 90ish.

[verene]

I haven't been on here in ages, but I'm excited to report I've reached BCL!! I've been so busy for the past month that I've been wearing my hair up all the time. I finally wore it down for a while yesterday only to realize that my hair has grown and now reaches the top of my bum. Only another inch or two until true TB.

Now I just have to figure out what I'm going to do when I reach my goal. I've been dreaming about it since I was 6, so it's taken me a while to get there. I think I'll maintain for a bit, and then decide if I want longer, shorter, or to stay the same.

[Locksmith]

I haven't been on here in ages, but I'm excited to report I've reached BCL!! I've been so busy for the past month that I've been wearing my hair up all the time. I finally wore it down for a while yesterday only to realize that my hair has grown and now reaches the top of my bum. Only another inch or two until true TB.

Now I just have to figure out what I'm going to do when I reach my goal. I've been dreaming about it since I was 6, so it's taken me a while to get there. I think I'll maintain for a bit, and then decide if I want longer, shorter, or to stay the same.

Yaaaay! :cheese: Congrats on reaching BCL! I've just got there too. I'm enjoying it while I can, because I know I'm going to have to trim at least an inch soon... :rolleyes:

[sunrain]

@ Irnann Perhaps you could try a bun with a large beak clip, or something similar? A clip like this (http://www.hipsterchic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Antique-Gilt-Butterfly-Beak-Clip.jpg), or this (http://www.pretty-pieces.co.uk/v/vspfiles/photos/A07RHANC05-1.jpg). Mine is roughly 5 inches. I usually make a cinnabun or braided bun and work the tip of the clip into the bun so that it catches scalp hair and bun hair. It's alright if the clip doesn't close. I personally don't care if some of my ends are sticking out, especially for everyday, casual wear. The key is figuring out where and how to clip so that the bun feels stable and you barely feel it. Sometimes it takes me a few tries before I find a good angle/hold. I personally don't open the clip up very much while inserting, so the tip is often hidden under hair as well. Hopefully this is helpful! I'm sorry if it's confusing, but of course it would be so much easier just to show you in person.

[Irnann]

@ Irnann Perhaps you could try a bun with a large beak clip, or something similar? A clip like this (http://www.hipsterchic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Antique-Gilt-Butterfly-Beak-Clip.jpg), or this (http://www.pretty-pieces.co.uk/v/vspfiles/photos/A07RHANC05-1.jpg). Mine is roughly 5 inches. I usually make a cinnabun or braided bun and work the tip of the clip into the bun so that it catches scalp hair and bun hair. It's alright if the clip doesn't close. I personally don't care if some of my ends are sticking out, especially for everyday, casual wear. The key is figuring out where and how to clip so that the bun feels stable and you barely feel it. Sometimes it takes me a few tries before I find a good angle/hold. I personally don't open the clip up very much while inserting, so the tip is often hidden under hair as well. Hopefully this is helpful! I'm sorry if it's confusing, but of course it would be so much easier just to show you in person.

Thank you sunrain for your suggestion. Since mine is only 4,5 i should be able to use this kind of clip. I will try it and give you my feedback about it;)

Lately i have been successfull with a rose bun these days an a double braided bun.

http://irnann.beepworld.de/files/doppelbeheave.jpg

http://irnann.beepworld.de/files/dutt.jpg

[paperwhite]

I haven't been on here in ages, but I'm excited to report I've reached BCL!! I've been so busy for the past month that I've been wearing my hair up all the time. I finally wore it down for a while yesterday only to realize that my hair has grown and now reaches the top of my bum. Only another inch or two until true TB.

Now I just have to figure out what I'm going to do when I reach my goal. I've been dreaming about it since I was 6, so it's taken me a while to get there. I think I'll maintain for a bit, and then decide if I want longer, shorter, or to stay the same.

Congrats! :D Isn't it fun to have the occasional hair surprise? That's how I ended up in this thread--wore my hair up for ever, got lazy with measuring, and then BAM. Here I am :) You're so close to TB! That's awesome!

[sunrain]

@ Irnann Haha, rose buns used to be my go-to style! I found they were easy to manipulate and looked really pretty without a lot of work. I used to have trouble with braided buns, but now they are easy. I haven't tried a double braided bun, though, but maybe I will soon. Oh, I don't know if this will apply to your hair, but I simply stab the clip straight into the bun. I don't use the reverse pinning method for this one, especially since it wouldn't with my particular clip (it's got a pretty, open metal pattern towards the spring end that used to catch horribly on my hair when I had less practice). Also, the end of the clip near to the spring will sometimes catch scalp hair, making it difficult to remove. I've learned to check and clear the hair out/away from the end before removing the clip.

[WaitingSoLong]

I haven't been on here in ages, but I'm excited to report I've reached BCL!! Only another inch or two until true TB.

Now I just have to figure out what I'm going to do when I reach my goal. I think I'll maintain for a bit, and then decide if I want longer, shorter, or to stay the same.

Congrats! I checked today, too, and I can say I am BCL as well! I did not realize it either. My hair has grown seemingly fast since my microtrim a few weeks ago, I lost about 1/4" and have gained 3/4" since. My official measure date for the month is Wednesday.

I have another inch til TBL. Right at 38".

My goal was TBL, then TBL braided. Now it is classic. Only I am having a huge urge to shave it all off and start over. I doubt I ever would. I don't know if I can make it to classic, though, my hair is already getting on my nerves. I hope it is a phase.

[Heidi_234]

Congrats! I checked today, too, and I can say I am BCL as well! I did not realize it either. My hair has grown seemingly fast since my microtrim a few weeks ago, I lost about 1/4" and have gained 3/4" since. My official measure date for the month is Wednesday.

I have another inch til TBL. Right at 38".

My goal was TBL, then TBL braided. Now it is classic. Only I am having a huge urge to shave it all off and start over. I doubt I ever would. I don't know if I can make it to classic, though, my hair is already getting on my nerves. I hope it is a phase.
Don't you dare shave it all off! Your hair is amazing, I admit I even returned few times to your albums just to see the bigger version of your avatar. It's truly thud-worthy, and I'm sure I won't be the only one who would love to have hair like that. :flower: Don't submit to your urges!

[WaitingSoLong]

Don't you dare shave it all off! Your hair is amazing, I admit I even returned few times to your albums just to see the bigger version of your avatar. It's truly thud-worthy, and I'm sure I won't be the only one who would love to have hair like that. :flower: Don't submit to your urges!


WOW :bigeyes: :o :puppykisses: :flower:

I am speechless. Thank you.

[Heidi_234]

WOW :bigeyes: :o :puppykisses: :flower:

I am speechless. Thank you.
Aww don't mention it. I thought I was stating the obvious :wink: :flower:

[Henrietta]

Aww don't mention it. I thought I was stating the obvious :wink: :flower:

Yes, because it IS obvious:wink: I would love to have such hair, WaitingSoLong! :)

[PineappleJello]

Pretty sure I can solidly say I'm at hip, but I'd like to wait another inch until I release an 'official' statement. Approximately 6 more inches until I'm at tailbone. So... hopefully 8 months *fingers crossed*

[MerryKat]

My official measurement for the end of September (and the end of my 5th year at LHC) is 35 inches (1 1/2 inches past hip).

Last night I cut 3 inches of damaged ends taking me back to 32 inches (1.5 inches shorter than hip).

Onward to BCL and Tailbone for me this year ahead, and butt length if it grows fast enough.

[Avital88]

I soo wished to be legal at this thread..I have to wait 2 more months to be official waist.
So 2011 will be my a total past waist journey!!
Keep up the good work.

xxAvi

[Johanna]

Ants! I have ants crawling on me! Oh wait...it's just my hair tickling me in new places XD
Have actually made that mistake this last fortnight. My hair is slowly reaching solid tailbone. I've had thoughts of having a 4-5 inch chop to make it all one length, to bring it to my old fringe. For now I'll just let it grow, as it's way too much effort for me right now.

Benign neglect ftw!

[WaitingSoLong]

Today is my measure date. I have grown between 1/2 and 3/4 inches since my microtrim a month ago. I always record the lower measurement, so I am at 36.5" now. I am really only about 1/2 inch from TBL but I like the extra inch to make it solid. So probably by December sometime.

I think my sleep cap is causing me splits. I tried to sleep without it last night and my husband layed on it and had me pinned by my hair. That is the first time that has ever happened. I am going to try a different material. I really need my sleep cap!

[Carolyn]

Ants! I have ants crawling on me! Oh wait...it's just my hair tickling me in new places I love it when I get a tickle in a new place :)

[SpinDance]

WaitingSoLong, I haven't had much luck with a sleep cap, but a nautilus bun on the upper back of my head held with a shorter Flexi works well. It only rarely gets bumped and pops open, and is easy to put back in place if it does.

[eamane]

I love it when I get a tickle in a new place :)
Usually me too, but right now it mostly seems to mean I've got a loose hair :rolleyes: I think my hair has hit a stall :(

[anna francesca]

Although this might not be exactly the right spot, I just wanted to say that I think I have finally reached WAIST. WOOT WOOT!!! I noticed that I was past BSL and had a bit of a problem locating where exactly my waist is, but I guess I've reached it!

Cant wait to reach TB, this is when I truly consider myself to have long hair. I think TB is when long hair really starts to stand out in a good waý. Im trying to grow a little bit more and then trim back to cut of some of the old ends.

Anyways, good luck everyone. I am so happy I can finally participate in this thread :D

[SpinDance]

Welcome, anna francesca! I hope your trip to TB is smooth and fast.

[swivelhop]

Although this might not be exactly the right spot, I just wanted to say that I think I have finally reached WAIST. WOOT WOOT!!! I noticed that I was past BSL and had a bit of a problem locating where exactly my waist is, but I guess I've reached it!

Cant wait to reach TB, this is when I truly consider myself to have long hair. I think TB is when long hair really starts to stand out in a good waý. Im trying to grow a little bit more and then trim back to cut of some of the old ends.

Anyways, good luck everyone. I am so happy I can finally participate in this thread :D

You're in the right spot congrats on making the long hike through mid-backland. :beerchug:

[WaitingSoLong]

WaitingSoLong, I haven't had much luck with a sleep cap, but a nautilus bun on the upper back of my head held with a shorter Flexi works well. It only rarely gets bumped and pops open, and is easy to put back in place if it does.


I tried this once and got a massive headache. Well, not with a flexi, with a small stick. I make a sleep stocking, a cap with a long sleeve my hair stays inside. I have a thread about it, but here is the photo:
http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp17/Poetry4me75/th_P1030516.jpg (http://s393.photobucket.com/albums/pp17/Poetry4me75/?action=view&current=P1030516.jpg)

Anyway of restraining my hair (braid, bun) hurts my head. I have tried loose but I just cannot do it anymore, it has reached some magic incompatible length for that with my sleeping habits I guess. (I am a stomach sleeper). What stinks is that my stockings are not nice on my hair, even though one is silky, I seem to be getting splits from it. I know the weave is too loose and my hairs will thread through the fabric.

The one I made today is no better, BUT I can make this cool turban-do with it that I can do my chores in! An awesome way to keep my hair up without braids or bunning (but looks hideous, LOL). I should get a picture. I have one more piece of fabric I will try, it is silky, too but very heavy. SIGH. This may be as long as my hair gets, if I cannot sleep, what will I do???

[katze666]

I´ve reached waist, son tailbone...here we go!

[Soraine]

I'm at waist as well! Yay! Onward to tailbone!

[pepperminttea]

I'm just at waist, after trimming back on the 22nd (only two inches lost, but it feels like an awful lot). Probably going to be in this thread for a good few years. :)

[SpinDance]

WaitingSoLong I like the look of your sleep cap, but knowing myself I think I need something a bit more confined. My hair would go nuts loose inside something. However, I wonder if you could make a cap out of one of the inexpensive silk pillowcases from Dharma Trading Co.? I use a plain white silk pillowcase from there over my regular pillowcase and that does help with keeping my hair smoother.

I don't know if a stick would work for me like the Flexi does. I tend to need a bit tighter bun for the stick to hold, since it is friction fit, as it were. A Flexi can hold a bit looser bun securely, so long as I don't toss and turn too much. I have to use a bit shorter one that I sometimes wear during the day, so it doesn't stick out to the sides. I've also found that if I put the bun up too high on the back of my head that it will be tender and sore in the morning. If it is too low on my neck then it gets in my way. The things we go through to have long hair! lol

[sunrain]

EEeeeee! I've reached hip! :cheese:

[SpinDance]

EEeeeee! I've reached hip! :cheese:
Congrats!!

[Quahatundightu]

Noo I just measured my hair and it hasn't grown at all since August (at least that I can tell) *cry*

[Carolyn]

Getting past waist again has brought back my excitement for growing my hair again. I'm sitting here petting my ends where they lay on my arm. I'm loving how my hair tickles my back just a smidge lower than it it a couple months ago. I'm so happy to be in the below waist range again.

[satpri]

http://C:\Documents and Settings\admin\My Documents\Downloads\sathish.jpg

[satpri]

I am a 20 yrs guy.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/satanupriya/photos/album/1979177342/pic/1721076049/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

[WaitingSoLong]

I wonder if you could make a cap out of one of the inexpensive silk pillowcases from Dharma Trading Co.?

A Flexi can hold a bit looser bun securely, so long as I don't toss and turn too much.


It has to be a stretchy fabric. I tried with regular silk/satin and it wouldn't work. The hair is somewhat loose in there. I may sew the sleeve part narrower.

I have one flexi and it is forever popping open and falling out. I hate it! lol And that is wearing it by day, not at night.

[RoseRedDead]

Just had a 1'' trim, so I'm hanging out at past-hip length. Still got a ways to go 'til tailbone.

<twiddles thumbs>

[Flaxen]

I am a 20 yrs guy.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/satanupriya/photos/album/1979177342/pic/1721076049/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc

Hi satpri,
To post a picture, you'll need to have it hosted somewhere that is viewable by the public. We have a support thread that should help with this. Click here (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=7240). :smile:

[Heidi_234]

I think I'm 100cm! It's about 39.4 inches, and it's TBL on me when my hair is straight. SO close - yet so far away. Not leaving yet, because when my hair's naturally curly it's barely brushing hip.

[Teufelchen]

WaitingSoLong, have you tried a regular sleepcap like e.g. Cinnamon Hair uses it?
I just made one out of satin and it works fine. My hair is 7cm from TB now. I had to make my own one, as all the ones you can buy are to large for me. I have a child size head :lol:

My hair started growing again in September. Maybe it wasn't happy with the weather in August. ( It was raining all the time.) I guess it saw the rain and decided to stay inside. ;)
I am at 88cm now. :)

[WaitingSoLong]

WaitingSoLong, have you tried a regular sleepcap like e.g. Cinnamon Hair uses it?
I just made one out of satin and it works fine. My hair is 7cm from TB now. I had to make my own one, as all the ones you can buy are to large for me. I have a child size head :lol:


They are too big for me, too. I mean like WAY. I think they are meant for the "old lady" hairstyles.

Nah, I am still using the one from the picture. Last night I slept with it loose because I was too tired to put it on.

I am SOOOOO close to TBL is hurts. I measure, it grows, but still never TBL? It is some evil trick! Like, my torso is growing at the same rate as my hair. I think I need to just forget about it for awhile and reassess in December.

[swivelhop]

I am SOOOOO close to TBL is hurts. I measure, it grows, but still never TBL? It is some evil trick! Like, my torso is growing at the same rate as my hair. I think I need to just forget about it for awhile and reassess in December.

This is so true for me. I was 'close to tailbone' the closer I get, the straighter I stand up and the pickier I get about "is that REALLY the tip of my tailbone?" UGH so yes torso is growing.

[Johanna]

I'm at definite BCL now. My braid also gets stuck under my arm now. That's a first. Normally my hair only gets stuck under my arm when it's down. Woo! When I first started growing my hair here I only had 7 braid bumps, I now have 15. I'm so happy with my progress.

Been considering putting an ash dye only on my ends to take away the red coppery look to them, but I'm not wanting to damage my brittle ends any more :/

[SheaLynne]

I am SOOOOO close to TBL is hurts. I measure, it grows, but still never TBL? It is some evil trick! Like, my torso is growing at the same rate as my hair. I think I need to just forget about it for awhile and reassess in December.


Haha...I could have written this! This is so exactly where I am, too. Even my estimates based on my monthly growth said I should have been at upper TBL by now--and I've measured the right amount of growth each month, but it's not there yet! How can that happen??

Yep, wait until December. Surely we'll be there by then!

[Ravenwaves 88]

Pic from today. Hands at tailbone. My ends are getting thin and this fall shedding is not fun. :(

http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss334/Ravenwaves88/2&#37;20years%20of%20hair%20growth/09Oct20102.jpg

[Cirafly24]

Getting closer! Today-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/DragonflyWings/DSCF1624.jpg


When it's wet...it's about an inch past BCL

[Ravenwaves 88]

Getting closer! Today-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/DragonflyWings/DSCF1624.jpg


When it's wet...it's about an inch past BCL

Oooo congrats Cirafly......looking very silky and long :D

[WaitingSoLong]

This is so true for me. I was 'close to tailbone' the closer I get, the straighter I stand up and the pickier I get about "is that REALLY the tip of my tailbone?" UGH so yes torso is growing.

This is exactly what I do. I am starting to see some "I reached TBL" posts and I think my hair is as long or longer than theirs, yet I do not consider myself at true TBL yet. Plus, it depends on what jeans I am wearing, I look more TBL in some than others, because it gives a different illusion of where TBL is.

I am highly concerned about my shed rate right now. I am on some long term antibiotics and wonder if it is making me shed. :confused: I am afraid TBL will be term if this keeps up.

[Teufelchen]

I just discovered, that my FTE are purely due to my camera.:eek: It must have been a hair dresser before.
It cuts off about 5cm and is thinning my ends.
I met some other loghairs last weekend and the difference in the pictures was stunning. I have a almost blunt hemline and they looked much longer than on my pictures. :eek:

When I realized that I decided to let it grow to classic without trims. I like FTE and I want them at least during the journey. When I hit Classic I am going to trim 5mm each month, until I hit my ultimate goal. (Which is now 8cm shorter, as I measured wrong. :oops:)

[myotislucifugus]

I finally got around to a serious S&D, and now my ends are so wispy and see through. It is strange. I'm definitely past hip, but depending on how my hair lies, it looks like it is barely touching hip...
Getting frustrated at this point

[jane53]

That's why I keep my hair trimmed blunt. It stays thick.

Right now, it's inching past hip toward tailbone again. I'm wondering if I'll get even more cut off next time I get a trim. Usually I get it trimmed back to hip length. I wonder what BSL would feel like? It's been decades since it was that short.

[Gemma]

Pic from today. Hands at tailbone. My ends are getting thin and this fall shedding is not fun. :(

http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss334/Ravenwaves88/2%20years%20of%20hair%20growth/09Oct20102.jpg

I have to say, your ends don't look thin to me. :flower: I tend to baby my hair during winter so that it will bounce back in the spring. Fall and summer are my major shedding times, too.

[WaitingSoLong]

A few recent pics of my hair which is somewhere between hip and TBL.

working on links...
ok I think I figured out what I was doing wrong. Oh yes! It worked! Ok, you can click on the pics for a larger pic.

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp17/Poetry4me75/Hair/th_P1030612.jpg (http://s393.photobucket.com/albums/pp17/Poetry4me75/Hair/?action=view&current=P1030612.jpg)

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp17/Poetry4me75/Hair/th_P1030548.jpg (http://s393.photobucket.com/albums/pp17/Poetry4me75/Hair/?action=view&current=P1030548.jpg)

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp17/Poetry4me75/Hair/th_P1030551.jpg (http://s393.photobucket.com/albums/pp17/Poetry4me75/Hair/?action=view&current=P1030551.jpg)

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp17/Poetry4me75/Hair/th_P1030598.jpg (http://s393.photobucket.com/albums/pp17/Poetry4me75/Hair/?action=view&current=P1030598.jpg)