Sunflower oil?

[baaaad_kitty]

Sorry, I wasn't sure where to post this. Anyway, I've been putting sunflower oil in my hair. I love how it makes my hair feel! My hair becomes so much less frizzy and in shiny. MY question is: Is sunflower oil as good as coconut oil for the hair? I've been researching, and I've found that sunflower oil contains linoleic acid, one of the EFA's. And it's also a triglyceride like coconut oil. But does it get absorbed into the hair like coconut oil will? The reason I ask is because I can't stand the smell of coconut oil on my hair. There's coconut oil everywhere here in the Phils. It makes me think of food and we put it on our dogs's fur. It's also used to remove dandruff, what we call "balakubak".

Does anyone also use this for their hair? Can I mix in other essential oils to make it smell nice (like lavender?) thanks!

[Artsy]

I am a big fan of sunflower oil. If you look in the polls section of the forum you will find 2 polls that reflect on what kind of oil you can use on your hair and people's reactions. I personally use chamomile oil which is based on sunflower oil about 30%:70% ratio. I also used avocado oil that is based on sunflower oil as well. I love the scent of coconut, but coconut oil is too heavy for my fair. Olive oil is even better on my hair, but just like you with coconut, it smells like food to me, so I rather use sunflower oil with some other fragrant oils, you can mix with essential oils es well.
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[ktani]

Sorry, I wasn't sure where to post this. Anyway, I've been putting sunflower oil in my hair. I love how it makes my hair feel! My hair becomes so much less frizzy and in shiny. MY question is: Is sunflower oil as good as coconut oil for the hair? I've been researching, and I've found that sunflower oil contains linoleic acid, one of the EFA's. And it's also a triglyceride like coconut oil. But does it get absorbed into the hair like coconut oil will? The reason I ask is because I can't stand the smell of coconut oil on my hair. There's coconut oil everywhere here in the Phils. It makes me think of food and we put it on our dogs's fur. It's also used to remove dandruff, what we call "balakubak".

Does anyone also use this for their hair? Can I mix in other essential oils to make it smell nice (like lavender?) thanks!

It does not penetrate (http://journal.scconline.org/pdf/cc2003/cc054n02/p00175-p00192.pdf) hair like coconut oil does. It coats the hair (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=635023&postcount=889) and is a drying oil. However, if you like it that is the bottom line. You may simply need to clarify your hair more often if you overuse it. That applies to any oil though. You should be able to mix it with essential oils without a problem.

[Cleopatra18]

It's a Great oil! I started using it recently and it makes my hair very smooth and shiny as well! It has ceramides which makes the hair stronger,shiner and silkier. Here is a thread (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:PhcTO3lz1osJ:www.longhaircareforum. com/forums/showthread.php%3Ft%3D488440+ceramides+and+evolutio n+of+my+buns&cd=1&hl=ar&ct=clnk&gl=eg) from another forum on the benefits of ceramides and oils which have them.HTH!

[baaaad_kitty]

bummer. Is there no alternative to coconut oil then? I doubt I can find argan oil locally here

[ktani]

Here are 2 referenced articles on ceramides, which form a barrier on the skin or hair, whether they are synthetic or natural and the articles fit with the information on sunflower oil forming a coating on the hair and requiring clarifying, and for skin, ceramides needing to be balanced.

Ceramides: Remedy for Dry, Damaged Hair? (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2745257/ceramides_remedy_for_dry_damaged_hair_pg3.html?cat =69)
"... Do note that ceramides can and often do build up on the hair shaft, so regular clarifying may be needed between conditionings. The build up associated with ceramides may also be linked to other ingredients in the product formula (i.e. oils, silicones). ... The build-up will need to be clarified regardless of the instigating ingredient to prevent moisture problems down the road. ..."

Ceramides Skin Lipids that Keep Skin Moisturized (http://dermatology.about.com/od/skincareproducts/a/ceramide.htm)
"... The SC contains three types of lipids (http://dermatology.about.com/od/glossaryl/g/lipids.htm) -- ceramides, cholesterol and free fatty acids. ... There are nine different types of ceramides in the SC, conveniently named ceramide 1 through ceramide 9, and they account for 40-50% of the lipids in this outermost layer. ... Moisturizers with Ceramides - Not All the Same There are several moisturizers that claim to have ceramides in their ingredients, but these are just regular moisturizers unless they can show: The moisturizer also contains cholesterol and free fatty acids, The ratio of these three ingredients is correct ..."

[ktani]

bummer. Is there no alternative to coconut oil then? I doubt I can find argan oil locally here

If you like using sunflower oil, and its effects on your hair, you do not have to stop using it. You will probably need to clarify more often than using a different oil. Coconut oil for hair can be found in most health food stores and you can buy argan oil online. Very little agan oil is needed for conditioning. Argan oil can make skin sun sensitive so it is best kept off the scalp unless you use it as a pre-treatment before conventional dye or lightening or as a pre-shampoo oil.

[Flaxen]

Sunflower oil was the only oil I could use when I first found the boards. All other oils were too heavy and would make my hair instantly greasy. In fact, when I make up a batch of Fox's Shea Butter Cream, I still use sunflower oil as the oil part.

Yes, you can add essential oils. I like equal parts lavender and rosewood. :smile:

[Cleopatra18]

Here are 2 referenced articles on ceramides, which form a barrier on the skin or hair, whether they are synthetic or natural and the articles fit with the information on sunflower oil forming a coating on the hair and requiring clarifying, and for skin, ceramides needing to be balanced.

Ceramides: Remedy for Dry, Damaged Hair? (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2745257/ceramides_remedy_for_dry_damaged_hair_pg3.html?cat =69)
"... Do note that ceramides can and often do build up on the hair shaft, so regular clarifying may be needed between conditionings. The build up associated with ceramides may also be linked to other ingredients in the product formula (i.e. oils, silicones). ... The build-up will need to be clarified regardless of the instigating ingredient to prevent moisture problems down the road. ..."

Ceramides Skin Lipids that Keep Skin Moisturized (http://dermatology.about.com/od/skincareproducts/a/ceramide.htm)
"... The SC contains three types of lipids (http://dermatology.about.com/od/glossaryl/g/lipids.htm) -- ceramides, cholesterol and free fatty acids. ... There are nine different types of ceramides in the SC, conveniently named ceramide 1 through ceramide 9, and they account for 40-50% of the lipids in this outermost layer. ... Moisturizers with Ceramides - Not All the Same There are several moisturizers that claim to have ceramides in their ingredients, but these are just regular moisturizers unless they can show: The moisturizer also contains cholesterol and free fatty acids, The ratio of these three ingredients is correct ..."
so does it mean it's bad? and how often is clarifying needed? I made another thread weeks ago for this question but sadly i didnt get much replies. Also will shampoo bars be enough to remove the build up? or does it have to be a SLS shampoo/baking soda rinse?? (really sorry for hijacking the thread).

[Elenna]

I can relate to the dry, brittle and unmanageable hair problem.

Our hair needs moisture, protein and now ceramides which is supposed to keep the hair smoother and shinier.

According to the LHCF post, there are several oils (http://www.longhaircareforum.com/threads/462088-Official-2010-Ceramides-Challenge) that contain ceramides.

It seems to me that coconut oil (or another favorite oil) mixed with one of the ceramide-type oils would help with the moisturizing and smoothing of the hair. It'll be a multi-task hair oil!

I've been experimenting with hemp, sunflower oils, etc. And my hair is much better. Knowing the reason why these ceramide oils "work" is interesting.

[ktani]

so does it mean it's bad? and how often is clarifying needed? I made another thread weeks ago for this question but sadly i didnt get much replies. Also will shampoo bars be enough to remove the build up? or does it have to be a SLS shampoo/baking soda rinse?? (really sorry for hijacking the thread).

No, it does not mean it is bad at all. And you are not hijacking the thread in my opinion. It simply means that it is important to understand what kind of oil you are dealing with and what it can and cannot do.

That goes for any product. The more you know, the less surprises or complications in the future because you did not know something that may have helped.

I do not know if shampoo bars can remove all of its residue. It is possible and worth a try before using something else to clarify it. How often one would need to clarify depends on how much oil is used and how much and what other products are used that can also build-up.

[In2wishin]

I use sunflower oil, but I make sure I get the high oleic type.

Some info from the Livestrong.org website:

Sunflower oil is commonly found in hair-care formulations. In fact, it is the second most common base oil used in the hair oil industry, according to the Journal of Cosmetic Science, thanks to several properties of the oil. There also are nutritional benefits in sunflower oil that can enhance hair health when people consume it.

Emollient
Sunflower oil acts as an emollient, according to Cosmeticscop.com. Emollients are thickening and lubricating agents that have a softening effect. Emollients also prevent water loss.

Conditioning Greasy Hair
Sunflower oil is a valuable ingredient for conditioning greasy hair, says Valerie Ann Worwood in her book, "The Complete Book of Essential Oils and Aromatherapy." Sunflower oil helps to nourish the hair and prevent breakage, say Caroline Bunker Rosdahl and Mary T. Kowalski in "The Textbook of Basic Nursing."

Hair Oil
Sunflower oil is an inexpensive ingredient that people can use to make scented hair oil, according to Carl Deite's "A Practical Treatise on the Manufacture of Perfumery." Since it's odorless at ambient temperature, it does not detract from perfumery formulations. For example, use 500 drams sunflower oil with 2 drams lemon oil, 3 drams rosemary oil, 5 drams lavender oil, 1 dram geranium oil, 1 dram thyme oil and ¼ dram musk tincture. A dram is about 1/8 oz.

Nutrition
Sunflower oil contains gamma linolenic acid, which is an omega-6 fatty acid. Such fatty acids are essential to hair health, says Spencer David Kobren in his book, "The Truth About Women's Hair Loss: What Really Works for Treating and Preventing Thinning Hair." GLA also is effective in preventing hair loss from male and female pattern baldness as well as alopecia areata, which causes round patches of lost hair. Just 1 tsp. a day is all that's needed, Kobren says.

[Artsy]

If ceramides coat hair in a similar way to silicones, than it makes sense that my type of hair absolutely prefers this kind of oil, because silicones are my best friends.
I do not clarify with shampoo at all, however I am assuming that monthly henna applications remove a lot of this sort of buildup better than any shampoos that I tried in years:confused:
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[ktani]

I use sunflower oil, but I make sure I get the high oleic type.

Some info from the Livestrong.org website:

Sunflower oil is commonly found in hair-care formulations. In fact, it is the second most common base oil used in the hair oil industry, according to the Journal of Cosmetic Science, thanks to several properties of the oil. There also are nutritional benefits in sunflower oil that can enhance hair health when people consume it.

Emollient
Sunflower oil acts as an emollient, according to Cosmeticscop.com. Emollients are thickening and lubricating agents that have a softening effect. Emollients also prevent water loss.

Conditioning Greasy Hair
Sunflower oil is a valuable ingredient for conditioning greasy hair, says Valerie Ann Worwood in her book, "The Complete Book of Essential Oils and Aromatherapy." Sunflower oil helps to nourish the hair and prevent breakage, say Caroline Bunker Rosdahl and Mary T. Kowalski in "The Textbook of Basic Nursing."

Hair Oil
Sunflower oil is an inexpensive ingredient that people can use to make scented hair oil, according to Carl Deite's "A Practical Treatise on the Manufacture of Perfumery." Since it's odorless at ambient temperature, it does not detract from perfumery formulations. For example, use 500 drams sunflower oil with 2 drams lemon oil, 3 drams rosemary oil, 5 drams lavender oil, 1 dram geranium oil, 1 dram thyme oil and ¼ dram musk tincture. A dram is about 1/8 oz.

Nutrition
Sunflower oil contains gamma linolenic acid, which is an omega-6 fatty acid. Such fatty acids are essential to hair health, says Spencer David Kobren in his book, "The Truth About Women's Hair Loss: What Really Works for Treating and Preventing Thinning Hair." GLA also is effective in preventing hair loss from male and female pattern baldness as well as alopecia areata, which causes round patches of lost hair. Just 1 tsp. a day is all that's needed, Kobren says.

GLA for thinning hair is not listed here (http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/gamma-linolenic-000305.htm) and the health benefits research results are mixed.

"... Avoid doses of GLA greater than 3,000 mg per day. High levels may increase inflammation in the body ... Pregnant women should not take borage seed oil, and possibly other sources of GLA, because they may harm the fetus and induce early labor. ... Until more research is done, health care professionals recommend not taking omega-6 fatty acids, including GLA, if you are at risk for or have prostate cancer. ..."

Sunflower oil is not recommended for breast cancer (http://foodforbreastcancer.com/foods/sunflower-oil)
"... Sunflower oil (sunflower seed oil) is a dietary source of unsaturated fat (primarily the monounsaturated omega-6 fatty acid, linoleic acid), vitamin E, and some phenolic compounds. Unlike olive oil, canola oil or walnut oil, sunflower oil has not been found to be associated with health benefits such as reducing cardiovascular risk factors. Nor has it been associated with any reductions in cancer risk in population studies. ..."

[ktani]

If ceramides coat hair in a similar way to silicones, than it makes sense that my type of hair absolutely prefers this kind of oil, because silicones are my best friends.
I do not clarify with shampoo at all, however I am assuming that monthly henna applications remove a lot of this sort of buildup better than any shampoos that I tried in years:confused:

Henna is not a conventional product build-up clarifier. From reports on henna results, henna is best used on clarified hair.

[Jean Stuart]

bummer. Is there no alternative to coconut oil then? I doubt I can find argan oil locally here
I saw it at sallys the other day right on the counter in little bottles.

[In2wishin]

GLA for thinning hair is not listed here (http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/gamma-linolenic-000305.htm) and the health benefits research results are mixed.

"... Avoid doses of GLA greater than 3,000 mg per day. High levels may increase inflammation in the body ... Pregnant women should not take borage seed oil, and possibly other sources of GLA, because they may harm the fetus and induce early labor. ... Until more research is done, health care professionals recommend not taking omega-6 fatty acids, including GLA, if you are at risk for or have prostate cancer. ..."

Sunflower oil is not recommended for breast cancer (http://foodforbreastcancer.com/foods/sunflower-oil)
"... Sunflower oil (sunflower seed oil) is a dietary source of unsaturated fat (primarily the monounsaturated omega-6 fatty acid, linoleic acid), vitamin E, and some phenolic compounds. Unlike olive oil, canola oil or walnut oil, sunflower oil has not been found to be associated with health benefits such as reducing cardiovascular risk factors. Nor has it been associated with any reductions in cancer risk in population studies. ..."

That is if taken internally, not when used as a hair oil.

[MandyBeth]

Argan at Sally's is cone serum with a drop of argan oil. My concern with sunflower oil is the potential ties with cancer in that it seems to feed the cancer.

[ktani]

That is if taken internally, not when used as a hair oil.

That is what I was referring to. Your link was referring to its health benefits one section. What I said was, "the health benefits research results are mixed" and I did not see a listing for thinning hair in the link I posted on uses.

[MandyBeth]

Ok, granted, the cancer risks are with internal use. HOWEVER, it's well known that what you put on your skin can and does enter your body. That's how transdermal medication works.

My uncle took thalidomide for late stage cancer. ANY person of child bearing age in the family other than myself could NOT handle that medication AT ALL, due to the risk of birth defects. That's TOUCHING the medication, not taking it. I got to handle the medication because I myself am on category X medications so it was not a risk for me as I can not legally bear children.

For more hair related, I have increased shedding with some hair products, which means it's in the hair root, which means it's past the skin. PPD goes into your system. You use henna to dye your hair, many people report grayish urine after for a while.

If you put ANYTHING on your skin, it MAY get into your system. Which is all I need to not use sunflower oil.

ktani, do you have a list of the oils that have ceramides? The earlier link isn't working for me, sorry!

[ktani]

Ok, granted, the cancer risks are with internal use. HOWEVER, it's well known that what you put on your skin can and does enter your body. That's how transdermal medication works.

My uncle took thalidomide for late stage cancer. ANY person of child bearing age in the family other than myself could NOT handle that medication AT ALL, due to the risk of birth defects. That's TOUCHING the medication, not taking it. I got to handle the medication because I myself am on category X medications so it was not a risk for me as I can not legally bear children.

For more hair related, I have increased shedding with some hair products, which means it's in the hair root, which means it's past the skin. PPD goes into your system. You use henna to dye your hair, many people report grayish urine after for a while.

If you put ANYTHING on your skin, it MAY get into your system. Which is all I need to not use sunflower oil.

ktani, do you have a list of the oils that have ceramides? The earlier link isn't working for me, sorry!

According to this link (http://facesofperfection.blogspot.com/2010/05/hair-products-containing-ceramides.html),
"OILS THAT CONTAIN CERAMIDES:

Barley Malt Oil

Eucalyptus Extract

Hemp Seed Oil

Hot 6 Oil

Kukui Oil

Sunflower Oil

Walnut Oil

Wheat Germ Oil"

They are also in rice bran oil.

ETA: I agree that transdermal absorption is possible with many products, depending on the skin being irritated in some cases.

[MandyBeth]

Ok, here is the short news on the Sunflower Oil being used/not used in pet food. http://www.nightwatchmankennels.com/sunflower-oil.html I have the actual full study and more news somewhere, but I've not teched in so long, I'm not sure where it is now. I'll keep looking.

ETA - here is a pretty basic article with good documentation on the issues with Polyunsaturated Oils. http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fats_and_cancer.html

A journal article on polyunsaturated oils. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.23394/full

Erm, this may be a double up on ktani's http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1890998/

This is on why olive oil is good, but there is a bit on the issues with sunflower oil http://www.streetdirectory.com/food_editorials/health_food/fruits/three_recent_studies_olive_oils_impact_on_cancer_a nd_aging.html

http://foodforbreastcancer.com/foods /sunflower-oil (http://foodforbreastcancer.com/foods/sunflower-oil) Good summary on a lot of articles, which are all included and I believe are from peer reviewed journals.

http://www.heall.com/body/healthupdates/food/saturatedfat.html More on the issues, does have evidence of information.

Here's my thing, I'm trying to make sure what I find has some journals behind it, or verifiable evidence for the study. I can find plenty of things that say X is good or bad, just not a lot of the ones that say X is bad based on this peer reviewed study that was then confirmed by this....

ETA for the final time - Having dug up my uncles records that I have, his oncologist has it very clearly listed for him to not use or ingest sunflower oil. Given as this doctor gave my uncle 4 years of life after 3 others had told him he had months at best, maybe it's crazy, but I'm willing to buy into that.

[Artsy]

Henna is not a conventional product build-up clarifier. From reports on henna results, henna is best used on clarified hair.
True, it is recommended to shampoo hair to have better dye uptake in the hair. I think what I am talking about is actually washing out gritty henna, seems to act like a scrub.
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[ktani]

True, it is recommended to shampoo hair to have better dye uptake in the hair. I think what I am talking about is actually washing out gritty henna, seems to act like a scrub.

I get that. However, henna also contains a resin itself that coats hair and washes out between applications. So I am not convinced that it clarifies mechanically.

[MandyBeth]

I get that. However, henna also contains a resin itself that coats hair and washes out between applications. So I am not convinced that it clarifies mechanically.

I think it clarifies the conditioner coatings off hair. But from trying a catnip rinse after henna, and now knowing how the catnip works for me in clean hair - the henna leaves a layer of the resin behind. This resin prevents the catnip from working, so it clarifies the build up, but then needs to be clarified itself.

[ktani]

I think it clarifies the conditioner coatings off hair. But from trying a catnip rinse after henna, and now knowing how the catnip works for me in clean hair - the henna leaves a layer of the resin behind. This resin prevents the catnip from working, so it clarifies the build up, but then needs to be clarified itself.

Not all henna is gritty though. I am still not convinced that it can clarify all wax residue and coatings off the hair and leave its own resin behind at the same time.

[christine1989]

If your hair responds well to it then that tells me that it must be good for it :). Here in the U.S. we generally think the opposite- sunflower oil reminds me of food and coconut does not. Funny how different cultural cusine dictates what we put in our hair. I can totally relate to you when it comes to the smell though- it does smell really bad!

[MandyBeth]

Not all henna is gritty though. I am still not convinced that it can clarify all wax residue and coatings off the hair and leave its own resin behind at the same time.

Don't know there. I found the good henna actually seemed to get more "stuff" off and leave more resin. The gritty stuff my hair didn't feel the same as with the fine grit henna, and there was a lot less resin. But that could just be the resin, and not getting waxes and such off.

Hrm. Now how do I test this exactly? Now that I've got to figure out. I've got enough white hair (big white fluffy dogs live here), so I could test to see how well the henna dyes with a coating on the hair. Ok, gotta get DF to furminate the dogs then.

[baaaad_kitty]

If your hair responds well to it then that tells me that it must be good for it :). Here in the U.S. we generally think the opposite- sunflower oil reminds me of food and coconut does not. Funny how different cultural cusine dictates what we put in our hair. I can totally relate to you when it comes to the smell though- it does smell really bad!

Yes, absolutely! haha

All this information I'm getting from you guys is a bit confusing. The sunflower oil people say it's good, while other reports say it's not so good. Now who to believe?

[MandyBeth]

If your hair responds well to it then that tells me that it must be good for it :).

Lead makes for pretty cosmetics and originally looks ok. Don't think we should use that.

Arsenic makes your skin lighter/clearer. Don't plan on putting that on my face either.

Roaccutane does wonders for severe acne. It's not the safest drug at all.

As for which side to believe. My way in deciding is what side has current peer reviewed research to back it up, and what is either side selling. No research, either could be right. If one is trying to sell something without research, and another says no, that's wrong and here is why, I'm believing the side that isn't selling something.

[Deborah]

You can buy refined coconut oil. It is supposed to have no smell at all. It should affect one's hair about the same as the unrefined oil.

[Elenna]

Sorry, I wasn't sure where to post this. Anyway, I've been putting sunflower oil in my hair. I love how it makes my hair feel! My hair becomes so much less frizzy and in shiny. MY question is: Is sunflower oil as good as coconut oil for the hair? I've been researching, and I've found that sunflower oil contains linoleic acid, one of the EFA's. And it's also a triglyceride like coconut oil. But does it get absorbed into the hair like coconut oil will? The reason I ask is because I can't stand the smell of coconut oil on my hair....



It [sunflower oil] does not penetrate hair like coconut oil does. It coats the hair and is a drying oil. However, if you like it that is the bottom line. You may simply need to clarify your hair more often if you overuse it. That applies to any oil though. You should be able to mix it with essential oils without a problem.

Coconut oil and sunflower oil are two different oils with different properties. The coconut oil is easy to wash out and does deep moisturize hair. But the sunflower oil does seem to target the dry ends better and less frizz. I'm using both oils, and my hair is in much better condition.

[ktani]

Coconut oil and sunflower oil are two different oils with different properties. The coconut oil is easy to wash out and does deep moisturize hair. But the sunflower oil does seem to target the dry ends better and less frizz. I'm using both oils, and my hair is in much better condition.

There may be some cautions about sunflower oil I had not considered when I wrote that.

[christine1989]

It looks like the general consensus is that coconut oil is "better" in the sense that it can penetrate the hair shaft but as you mentioned it does stink and sunflower oil makes your hair feel silky and well conditioned. Have you thought of maybe mixing oils? You could get rid of the nasty, stale coconut smell by adding essential oils or mixing a small amount of coconut oil into sunflower oil. You could also try sweet almond oil- I think it smells best out of all the oils I have tried and it is generally thought to be good for conditioning and strengthening hair.

[Priska]

It seems to me that coconut oil (or another favorite oil) mixed with one of the ceramide-type oils would help with the moisturizing and smoothing of the hair. It'll be a multi-task hair oil!
I one time made mixture from coconut oil and sunflower oil and that really gave me great result :hmm: I didn't even know that they would work well together, but well maybe it was because of this.

[Fiorentina]

That’s very interesting, I will give a try too.
How many drops of sunflower oil do you use per serving size?
Regards
Fiorentina

[Priska]

If you're asking me, i put half-and-half. But right now i've fallen in love with sunflower oil and I'm putting only that at the moment. But i'm mixing it into the shampoo and it works well that way. If i'm using the oil only as a pre-poo, I think coconut oil is easier to use, at least for me. By now the sunflower oil has left my hair greasy if i have used only it that way..

[Fiorentina]

In the meantime I tested the sunflower oil a few times.
I used it only on dry, freshly washed hair and I now came to the following conclusion.
By the way, I use virgin sunflower oil. It seems to me a little lighter than almond oil and definitely much, much lighter than olive oil. I was able to apply it very well and easily into my hair. I found the procedure was no big deal, it was even easier to apply than almond oil and almond oil is easier to use than olive oil…So really no big deal.
Yes indeed, it was really simple and comfortable in dosage and application. Also the result did not end up too oily/greasy way too fast.
Regards
Fiorentina

[Priska]

In the meantime I tested the sunflower oil a few times.
I used it only on dry, freshly washed hair and I now came to the following conclusion.
By the way, I use virgin sunflower oil. It seems to me a little lighter than almond oil and definitely much, much lighter than olive oil. I was able to apply it very well and easily into my hair. I found the procedure was no big deal, it was even easier to apply than almond oil and almond oil is easier to use than olive oil…So really no big deal.
Yes indeed, it was really simple and comfortable in dosage and application. Also the result did not end up too oily/greasy way too fast.
Regards
Fiorentina
Interesting comparing, thanks! I also think that almond oil is thicker than sunflower oil, at least mine is. It works ok anyway, but I don't know if it beats sunflower oil or not...

[Fiorentina]

Thank you for your words, Priska, your are coming up with the exactly question I asked my self.
At the moment I tend to prefer sunflower oil. I also think it is worth mentioning that it gives a wonderful shine. I like the shine better than that of almond oil spends.
Regards
Fiorentina

[Priska]

If you're asking me, i put half-and-half. But right now i've fallen in love with sunflower oil and I'm putting only that at the moment. But i'm mixing it into the shampoo and it works well that way. If i'm using the oil only as a pre-poo, I think coconut oil is easier to use, at least for me. By now the sunflower oil has left my hair greasy if i have used only it that way..

I'm sorry I see now that this my answer was totally incomprehensible. I guess I mixed this thread with some other thread and I meant that if I mix sunflower oil with shampoo, that's my ratio, same amount of shampoo and sunflower oil. I actually have not tried many different ways to use sunflower oil yet, but I find it's kind of strong oil and not getting rinsed off too easy. Might even leave the hair greasy, that's why I like to mix it with shampoo because that way the hair will not be greasy because shampoo is washing the hair in the same time. But this oil still gets my vote!

[Fiorentina]

I'm sorry I see now that this my answer was totally incomprehensible. I guess I mixed this thread with some other thread and I meant that if I mix sunflower with shampoo, that's my ratio, same amount of shampoo and sunflower oil. I actually have not tried many different ways to use sunflower oil yet, but I find it's kind of strong oil and not getting rinsed off too easy. Might even leave the hair greasy, that's why I like to mix it with shampoo because that way the hair will not be greasy because shampoo is washing the hair in the same time. But this oil still gets my vote!

Thank you for your words, Priska
I never came up with the idea of mixing oil directly into the shampoo, I usually apply it only to my hair. Now you made me curious. I think I should give it a try.
What are you saying? How much oil do you use with how much shampoo?
Regards
Fiorentina

[Priska]

Thank you for your words, Priska
I never came up with the idea of mixing oil directly into the shampoo, I usually apply it only to my hair. Now you made me curious. I think I should give it a try.
What are you saying? How much oil do you use with how much shampoo?
Regards
Fiorentina
To the roots I only apply shampoo (some light, conditioning shampoo, sulfate-free is good). To the lengths I add maybe a little less than same amount with shampoo and to the ends a little more. I mix it very well in my left palm, stirring strongly with my index finger, this creates a white foam from shampoo-oil mix. To the very tips I still might add even more sunflower oil. You can make your own research which amounts are good for you, depends on hair type too :) My hair is fine, thin and from the ends very dry and tangly, but this gives really good result :) After rinsing I still make an acv rinse that I don't rinse off.

I also use Henrietta's stroke method with this oil-shampoo, meaning I try to flatten my hair cuticles by making them flat between my hands and pulling my hands down like this many times: https://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=67634 I also let the oil shampoo mix sit some time on my hair, while I wash my corps.

(That method is now working with me better with shampoo oil method than with conditioner. Conditioner always leaves some tangling residue to my ends, oil-shamphoo does not.)

[cookies]

Hey Priska! I put some sunflower oil in my shampoo today, thought I’d share with you :D
I had very little shampoo left in the bottle, so I figured it’d be a good time to try it. I poured a glug of sunflower oil in the almost empty shampoo bottle and shook it well, I was aiming for a 1:1 ratio. First thing that surprised me was the change of color of the shampoo - it’s normally a semi transparent pearly white, after mixing with the oil it was 100% opaque white, didn’t see that coming lol. I massaged it well in my roots, it did lather up ok, but wasn’t quite enough for the lengths. When I rinsed it off, I didn’t get that clean hair feeling. I couldn’t tell if it was because of the oil or because it had been awhile since my last wash, so I went for a second round. There was very little left, so I added a bit of water to the bottle to get it all out. Now that lathered up like crazy and there was plenty for the lengths too. I washed it all the way down to the ends, which I never do. I was intending to not use conditioner and just the oil shampoo as that was the original idea from the oil shampoo thread if I remembered correctly… But while my hair did feel squeaky clean, it wasn’t smooth enough to detangle safely, so I did end up using a tiny bit of conditioner for that.
I didn’t let the shampoo or conditioner sit on my hair (because I didn’t have hot water and wanted to get tf out lol). Out of the shower, I just put a little bit of hair oil on the ends, wrapped in microfiber towel for a bit, then air dried

It did dry very soft and shiny and with lovely movement down to the ends! Only downside (for me) was the crazy floof of frizz :lol: I’m not sure yet what I’ll do next time, but I’ll keep you posted :D