Wella Color Touch

[UP Lisa]

I am thinking of trying this product, but need some help. I don't know if the product comes with any instructions regarding doing an allergy test or strand test. Can anyone tell me how I would go about doing those?

[ademtce]

the instructions come on the inside of the box, so you'll have to slit on side open to read them
includes application & allergy directions - if you buy from KillerStrands you'll get very detailed instructions

[UP Lisa]

I'm confused on the developer. I asume I want the one with the lowest volume of peroxide, since I really don't want or need to lift color. If I buy from that site, what level of developer does the color come with?

[ademtce]

you have a choice of either 6 Volume, 10 Volume, or 13 Volume.
all of which won't lift, they just open the cuticle to let the color rest on your natural pigment.

I'd choose either 10 or 13 cause they'll last longer than the 6 volume.
because it may wash out very quickly with the 6.

[UP Lisa]

I see someone on Ebay is selling it with a choice of the following developers:

1.9% Developer/Emulsion Fluid
or
4.0% Developer/Emulsion Fluid


So these two would be a very bad choice?

[Fractalsofhair]

1.9 is about 6 volume, and 4.0 is about 20 volume(I think. 3% is 12 volume IIRC) A regular semi perm is 20 volume, and a permanent is generally 30-40 volume.

[ademtce]

I see someone on Ebay is selling it with a choice of the following developers:

1.9% Developer/Emulsion Fluid ( 6 Volume )
or
4.0% Developer/Emulsion Fluid ( 13 Volume )


So these two would be a very bad choice?


either one would be a fine choice, the standard permanent is 20 Volume ( 6%)

[UP Lisa]

Seems like the 1.9 would be fine, since I don't need to lift any color.

[UP Lisa]

Well, I have purchaed two tubes of the Rich Autumn Red color. So hard to tell which color is going to be right without that little chart on a box to tell me. I'm afraid it might turn out too dark. I assume the swatches are based on hair that was white. Mine is pretty far from white. All the lighter reds seemed to be golden, which I don't want. So I hope I'm doing the right thing. Also bought developer.

[manderly]

I purchased 2 tubes from the same ebay seller and the 1.9% developer. I should be getting it in the mail today or tomorrow.

I was going to buy from Killer Strands, but her shipping was kind of outrageous.

[UP Lisa]

I agree. I was able to get a lot more developer, also for less money. I figure if I like the hair color, I can always use the developer.

So what color are you going for?

[manderly]

Dark brown :) I just have to redo it every so often as my ends begin to fade and go orangey on me.

Gotta cover that old henna and old damage :D

[UP Lisa]

So have you used Color Touch before?

[manderly]

Not that I recall. I think I was going to get it but I went with the Ion Shine (which is pretty darn good) instead.

This will be my first time using it :) I'm looking forward to it.

[UP Lisa]

I'm a little scared, since I've only used Clairol Loving Care before. Mostly, I'm not sure which method to use to apply it.

[manderly]

I used the little tub and brush. It actually is much easier than the bottle IMHO.

[ademtce]

i hope you remember to strand test first! that way you can be sure it comes out the way you want it to.

the best method for absolute coverage is to part into 4 quadrants; nose-to-neck &ear-to-ear.
then starting in the back of your head choose either left or right to start on, outline the the quadrant with your color and then start from the bottom up. use thin layers, say just about a little too thick to read though but you can still some what see through it. continue up. keep doing thin until you've covered your entire head.

the best application tools are a mixing bowl and tint brush. r

[UP Lisa]

Well, I have ordered a couple of tint brushes. I don't know if I should have someone help me, or if I'm better off just to do it myself.

Yes, I do plan to strand test. And allergy test.

[K_Angel]

I'm curious to see what your results are.... I'm getting increasing grays and I'm getting ready to do something about them, I think.... but I'm really concerned about hair damage.

Will this cover gray?

Also, if I choose a color lighter than my own, would that mean that it would color only the gray? and leave my natural color alone in the rest?

[manderly]

K angel, the color is not what you need to worry about, it's the developer that is the damaging agent in hair coloring. The developer opens the cuticle and removes (bleaches) the natural color out so the color can deposit itself into your hair.

Greys can be resistant to coloring and it's usually recommended to use around a 20 vol developer for them.




Anywhoozle, got my color in the mail today, did my hair. Darnit I didn't have any gloves in the house, so I used some ziplocs and made quite a mess, but my color came out quite nice. All that nasty orange is nicely covered and I've got a lovely darker color now. My hair is very soft and shiny.


Again, I had the 1.9% developer as I was going darker and only wanting to deposit, so minor lifting and damage. I just wish I had a tube key (it makes squeezing out the tube color easier).

I used 2 ounces of developer and added 1/4 tube (approx) of both the colors I got and mixed. That amount worked out perfectly for my BSLish hair.

I think I may have missed some spots due to not having my glasses and no gloves, but I don't notice anything looking in the mirror and I'm hoping it'll just look like highlights if I did actually miss spots (I always feel like I do, but I never have according to my hairdressers). :)

[K_Angel]

So the directions have you mix the two together? I ask because I have not even seen this product before.

How long are you required to hold it on your head? And do you apply heat to it?

TIA! :flower:




K angel, the color is not what you need to worry about, it's the developer that is the damaging agent in hair coloring. The developer opens the cuticle and removes (bleaches) the natural color out so the color can deposit itself into your hair.

Greys can be resistant to coloring and it's usually recommended to use around a 20 vol developer for them.


Again, I had the 1.9% developer as I was going darker and only wanting to deposit, so minor lifting and damage. I just wish I had a tube key (it makes squeezing out the tube color easier).

I used 2 ounces of developer and added 1/4 tube (approx) of both the colors I got and mixed. That amount worked out perfectly for my BSLish hair.

[manderly]

Yes, you mix the tube of color with the bottle of developer, like most box dyes you see. But you don't use the whole tube! You can re-use them again until you run out since it's a 2:1 ratio (2 parts developer to 1 part color) you just buy more developer if you need to until you use up the color tube :)

It only requires 20 minutes and there is no ammonia smell. No heat is required. :)

[K_Angel]

And it hasn't caused hair damage for you?

[manderly]

My hair has been dyed many, many times before. I don't have virgin hair to compare any first hand effects on, but I can tell you that it is far less damaging that any of the box dyes I have used, and my virgin roots seem just fine afterwards.

I can't tell you there's NO damage, because that's just not true. It does damage a little, that's the nature of the developer, to slightly damage and raise the cuticle so the color can penetrate. But in the scheme of things and with what my hair encounters on a regular basis, I don't feel it's worse than anything else I do.

K_angel, you just have to accept that your hair will get damaged along it's lifespan. Everything you do damages it slightly every day. Brushing, washing, putting up, wearing down, etc, all causes a tiny amount of damage. Some is not preventable, some is minor enough to be acceptable. You have to pick your battles :) I feel that this damage is minor enough to be acceptable in my own life. It fades out naturally, and since I use a color close to my own, it doesn't become noticeable when it does fade.

It's possibly something I'll stop doing when my old box dye damaged ends grow out and no longer torment me by turning orange. Who knows though, I may continue to cover the gray. :shrug:

Basically, if you want to color your hair and go a commercial route instead of henna and indigo and that sort, this is one of the best routes to go. Not necessarily this brand, but using color and the lowest volume developer you can (to get the results you want) is 100x better than buying a box at the grocery store :)

Since you're looking to cover greys, I would suggest you try a deposit only first. That would be something that doesn't require any mixing since there is no developer to lift the cuticle. It's basically a stain. Some greys have really excellent results with this. If that doesn't work out for you, I would try using a demi permanent (like this is) and use the lowest volume developer you can and a color close to your own. This will just lightly lift the cuticle to help deposit the color. If that still doesn't cover your greys, then you likely have resistant greys and a 20 volume developer is recommended there. Then you should reevaluate if that's what you want, because then you're getting into a bit more damage there.

I hope that helps you and I hope I explained everything I know. :flower:

[manderly]

Here we go, uploaded my pics:

Before:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/astrauser/Hair/Before.jpg
This is DD3 and full of coconut oil so it's very shiny and I didn't dry it curly.

After:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/astrauser/Hair/After.jpg
Fluffy after washing since I didn't allow it to curl as I wanted to have similar before and after's.

As you can see, similar, I just wanted to get out some of that orange :) I'm very happy with it, I had wanted to go a tad darker but the ebayer was out. I do like this shade though.

[K_Angel]

Mahalo Manderly! :)

I'm guessing that the amount of damage done by the Wella is less than was done on your original dye job you are now working to get rid of?

I'd use henna in a second, if it wasn't for the fact that it's red. And red is not a good color for me. I tried henna with indigo and unfortunately, the indigo won't stick in my hair. So that was a no go.

Thank you again for the pics and explanation! :flower:

[manderly]

Exactly K_angel. I'm using it as a tool to help me grow out my old damage, and I don't like henna and indigo either (I'm trying to COVER the orange :D).

The hair that has been only demi perm dyed doesn't fade to orange like the rest does, so I know it's doing less damage.

It does cover my little greys though :D But it seems to wash out of them a bit (not totally) over time so there isn't as harsh a demarcation line between the new growth.

Here's what I'm covering (old hair dye was stripped off using Color Oops and then I used henna:cassia 2 times, so it was really orange, you can see my roots for good comparison) http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/astrauser/CIMG1738.jpg

I've got about a foot and a half or so of that to grow out, and the demi helps me with that :)

I hope you figure out what works for you!

[K_Angel]

Great! Thank you very much! It really does help me to think it through. :blossom:

[ademtce]

manderly im so proud of you! the color looks great as well.

[UP Lisa]

Well, I got my color, but now I'm afraid it might be old and outdated. How can I find out if it is? I'm afraid to call Wella, since I'm not a professional.

Also, how much color do you think i will need for my hip-length baby-fine hair?

[manderly]

One of my tubes seemed to be pretty old too, but it was just fine. I don't think they really "expire" or anything.

I used 2 oz of developer and 1 oz of color for my BSL average thickness hair. It was perfect.

If you run out, it's pretty easy to mix some more up right on the spot. You can eyeball it for the most part.

Do you have a professional mixing bowl? They come with numbers on the sides to see how much you're using.

[K_Angel]

I'm a little confused by Wella's numbering system....

Here it says volume 6 or 13
http://killerstrands.myshopify.com/products/wella-color-touch-demi-permanent-color

which one would be 10 volume?

I didn't understand the post earlier that was talking about the numbers.... :o

[K_Angel]

where does everyone buy their Wella?

[manderly]

The 6 vol is similar to a 10 vol, but a little less damaging, I'd suspect, but don't quote me on that.

I think I read on killer strands that the volume means how long the developer works for....so 20 vol developer works for 20 minutes, 10 for 10 minutes, etc. The lower the volume the less damaging, but also less lift (less bleaching). At least that's how I understand it :)

I ordered mine on ebay. He sells it by percentage, not volume (yet another way to confuse us mere mortals), and I got the 1.9% which is the 6 volume.

[K_Angel]

Ah....... ok......

I'm wondering how I would choose the color correctly......

Also, is their developer different than what I can get at Sally's? I only wonder because I could save the shipping costs. But since I had a bad experience with semi-permanent before, if Wella's is less allergic, than I'd rather use it.

[manderly]

I'm not really sure about all that K_angel. I think ademtc would be the one to ask, she seems to know quite a bit from killer strands :)

[UP Lisa]

I thought it might be best to use the developer that is made to use with the hair coloring.

[UP Lisa]

One of my tubes seemed to be pretty old too, but it was just fine. I don't think they really "expire" or anything.

I used 2 oz of developer and 1 oz of color for my BSL average thickness hair. It was perfect.

If you run out, it's pretty easy to mix some more up right on the spot. You can eyeball it for the most part.

Do you have a professional mixing bowl? They come with numbers on the sides to see how much you're using.

Really? That's all you needed? I bought two tubes figuring I might need both of them.. I guess that would be a lot, though, after mixed with the developer.

No, I don't have one of those bowls, but do have lots of things to measure with.

[ademtce]

Ah....... ok......

I'm wondering how I would choose the color correctly......

Also, is their developer different than what I can get at Sally's? I only wonder because I could save the shipping costs. But since I had a bad experience with semi-permanent before, if Wella's is less allergic, than I'd rather use it.

definitely use Wella's developer, its way better quality and loaded with tons of lipids (it keeps your hair shine and moisturized)

the color can expire you leave opened for a long time but at lone as it sealed or closed tightly it should be fine. just remember to close everything promptly after you dispense the desired amount.

side note Wella colors run a 1 full level darker than the level it states; so if you buy a 4 it'll come out a 3. so choose one level up.

Up Lisa, i really recommend using a mixing bowl & tinti brush it gives way more control - don't be a afraid of the sections into 4 quadrents it works for all lengths of hair, it mite be tricky but its always tricky the first few times. just make sure you got some good plastic clips.

[UP Lisa]

Wish I would have known about them coming out a level darker. Now I suppose the color I bought is going to be too dark. None of the other Reds seemed right, though.

[LoveMyMutt]

Sooo....if a person had hair that takes color easily, except for a stripe of resistant gray, would it work to use a lower strength developer like 10vol or 13vol on the length, and then mix up a bit using 20vol for the gray stripe?

*Most* of my hair takes semi-permanent color very well; but I have this annoying streak of white hair around my hairline that never seems to get fully covered. But, I don't want to use harsher chemicals on the rest of my hair.

I may need to invest in some Color Touch and two types of developer...this idea intrigues me.

[ademtce]

Wish I would have known about them coming out a level darker. Now I suppose the color I bought is going to be too dark. None of the other Reds seemed right, though.

if they weren't right then you should try some color mixing, there's no exact science to mixing so its really a trial & error but thats what strand test are for.


LoveMyMutt
thats exactly right, for your gray stripe its good to mix colors like 1oz of N (natural/neutral) + 1/2 or 1/4oz of additional color in whatever other tone you like. the natural gives maximum coverage.

[K_Angel]

definitely use Wella's developer, its way better quality and loaded with tons of lipids (it keeps your hair shine and moisturized)

the color can expire you leave opened for a long time but at lone as it sealed or closed tightly it should be fine. just remember to close everything promptly after you dispense the desired amount.

side note Wella colors run a 1 full level darker than the level it states; so if you buy a 4 it'll come out a 3. so choose one level up.

Good to know about using their developer! Thank you!

How much do you think the developer lightens hair? I like my medium brown hair, it's just the grays that are throughout it that I don't like.

Do you think I should try to match my hair or go with a slightly lighter color that can color the grays and leave my regular color alone? Would that scheme work? Or am I not thinking of it correctly?

TIA! :blossom:

[K_Angel]

By any chance do any of you have the ingredient list of Wella Color Touch? Or do you know where I could find them?

[ademtce]

i would say go lighter, it won't lift you natural color at all but the grays will just become lighter pieces.
im not sure how well CT will cover gray since its only a demi-permanent

they're recently repackaged CT so i dont know if they changed the ingredients but on my box they are; Water, cetearyl alcohol, ethanolamine, laureth-3 sodium laureth sulfate, Glyceryl stearate SE, toluene-2, 5-diamine sulfate, sodium sulfate, decyltertade-canol, sodium lauryl sulfate, beeswax(cire d'abeille) resorcinol, sodium sulfite, hyrdroxyethyl-3, 4-methylendioxy-aniline hcl, fragrance, m-amminophel, ascorbic acid, editronic, acid, hydrolized keratin, 2-methylresorcinol, hexyl cinnamal

[K_Angel]

i would say go lighter, it won't lift you natural color at all but the grays will just become lighter pieces.
im not sure how well CT will cover gray since its only a demi-permanent

they're recently repackaged CT so i dont know if they changed the ingredients but on my box they are; Water, cetearyl alcohol, ethanolamine, laureth-3 sodium laureth sulfate, Glyceryl stearate SE, toluene-2, 5-diamine sulfate, sodium sulfate, decyltertade-canol, sodium lauryl sulfate, beeswax(cire d'abeille) resorcinol, sodium sulfite, hyrdroxyethyl-3, 4-methylendioxy-aniline hcl, fragrance, m-amminophel, ascorbic acid, editronic, acid, hydrolized keratin, 2-methylresorcinol, hexyl cinnamal
Way cool on the ingredients!!! Thank you!!!! :blossom:

Yeah, so I could use a lighter brown and that way for sure not darken my hair and it will just look like highlights? That would work for me!!! :cheese:

[K_Angel]

Oh I forgot... Ok, I have medium brown hair, and in the sun you can see red in it. And from a thing I read a long time ago I am a warm? And since I don't want any more red in my hair... how do I choose a color? Do I pick a red brown because that is the same coloring as I am now? Or do I choose a neutral?

[UP Lisa]

i hope you remember to strand test first! that way you can be sure it comes out the way you want it to.

the best method for absolute coverage is to part into 4 quadrants; nose-to-neck &ear-to-ear.
then starting in the back of your head choose either left or right to start on, outline the the quadrant with your color and then start from the bottom up. use thin layers, say just about a little too thick to read though but you can still some what see through it. continue up. keep doing thin until you've covered your entire head.

the best application tools are a mixing bowl and tint brush. r


How can I use a tint brush on hair this long? Just use the brush at the top, and work down to the ends with my hands?

[ademtce]

Oh I forgot... Ok, I have medium brown hair, and in the sun you can see red in it. And from a thing I read a long time ago I am a warm? And since I don't want any more red in my hair... how do I choose a color? Do I pick a red brown because that is the same coloring as I am now? Or do I choose a neutral?

color mix - get a Neutral + a Matt color to cancel out any red. its about 1.oz N + 1/2 oz Matt.


How can I use a tint brush on hair this long? Just use the brush at the top, and work down to the ends with my hands?

use the tint brush all the way down, since you've got lots of length i'd say to break up into parts. give yourself a weekend; one day you do the back two sections, then the next you do the front two. you could do it all once but it would just be a very very long process. start time after you've applied to all of your hair.

[UP Lisa]

Thank you for the suggestion. I hadn't thought of that. I really don't know how I can do the back secions by myself, since I won't be able to see if I've missed a spot.

Most of my hair will be in those back two sections, since my hair is shorter and thinner on the sides and front. So maybe I can do it all in one day.

[ademtce]

KC of killer strands says for self application to get some good wall mounted - extendable mirrors so you can see the back & if you've missed any.

i have to admit it is very tricky to do it yourself

[UP Lisa]

I think I will get my husband or one of my boys to help me.

[K_Angel]

color mix - get a Neutral + a Matt color to cancel out any red. its about 1.oz N + 1/2 oz Matt.



use the tint brush all the way down, since you've got lots of length i'd say to break up into parts. give yourself a weekend; one day you do the back two sections, then the next you do the front two. you could do it all once but it would just be a very very long process. start time after you've applied to all of your hair.
I"m sorry to seem stupid, but what is a Matt. color?

[ademtce]

sorry - its a green based color, it'll cancel out any red durp form your hair.

[K_Angel]

Weird thinking putting green in my hair! LOL

I don't mind the red that is already there, but I just don't want to add any more to it.... this green will do that? Leave the color I have, just not add any more?

Sorry, I"m a total newbie to the world of coloring hair.

[LoveMyMutt]

sorry - its a green based color, it'll cancel out any red durp form your hair.

That's what I need...I'm trying to cover my henna. Or would I need a violet-based color because it's orange rather than red I'm trying to cancel out?

[ademtce]

Weird thinking putting green in my hair! LOL

I don't mind the red that is already there, but I just don't want to add any more to it.... this green will do that? Leave the color I have, just not add any more?

Sorry, I"m a total newbie to the world of coloring hair.

if want to keep the red you have then stay away from the matt cause it will cancel out all the red.



That's what I need...I'm trying to cover my henna. Or would I need a violet-based color because it's orange rather than red I'm trying to cancel out?

a matt color will cancel out red & orange.

[UP Lisa]

Two more questions. I msut be getting to the end of these.....

Since baby-fine hair like mine supposedly doesn't take as long to color, should I leave the color on the entire time?

Also wondering how much I need to mix up? If I used one tube of color, I would end up with six ounces of stuff. Would that be enough?

[K_Angel]

I'm glad you keep asking these questions... as a color newbie, I wonder the same things! So thank you for asking all these questions! And thank you to the wonderful people answering them!! :blossom:

[LoveMyMutt]

if want to keep the red you have then stay away from the matt cause it will cancel out all the red.




a matt color will cancel out red & orange.

Will the matt color darken the shade? And is that what it is a called -- a matt color? Sorry, I'm kind of an ignoramus about this stuff; I've always used boxed dye from the drugstore.

I want to achieve a med/dark blond color; my hair is light but orange from henna. I don't want to go too much darker than my natural color because I am lazy & like to let it go for a while between colorings; so it needs to be something that blends in with my roots. There are pics of my natural color, along with my hennaed color and my dyed-over-hennaed color in my album. I used Natural Instincts but would prefer to use a better haircolor next time I do it.

Any recommendations would be welcome.

[manderly]

Two more questions. I msut be getting to the end of these.....

Since baby-fine hair like mine supposedly doesn't take as long to color, should I leave the color on the entire time?

Also wondering how much I need to mix up? If I used one tube of color, I would end up with six ounces of stuff. Would that be enough?


I think that should be enough for you. If you need more, it's quite easy to squirt some more in the bowl :)

And I believe the directions say you can leave it for 15 minutes or 20 minutes. Have you done any strand testing? I wouldn't want to tell you to leave it on for shorter time and you don't get as good a result, then that's money wasted.

It's incredibly non-damaging, my hair has been fabulous since doing it :)

[manderly]

Will the matt color darken the shade? And is that what it is a called -- a matt color? Sorry, I'm kind of an ignoramus about this stuff; I've always used boxed dye from the drugstore.

I want to achieve a med/dark blond color; my hair is light but orange from henna. I don't want to go too much darker than my natural color because I am lazy & like to let it go for a while between colorings; so it needs to be something that blends in with my roots. There are pics of my natural color, along with my hennaed color and my dyed-over-hennaed color in my album. I used Natural Instincts but would prefer to use a better haircolor next time I do it.

Any recommendations would be welcome.

Unfortunately I don't believe you can get back to your blonde by using color. When you add color on top of another color, it's always gonna be darker. I think the best to hope for would be a medium brown to cover that henna.

Of course, I could be wrong, ademtce is the color expert around here :)

[LoveMyMutt]

Unfortunately I don't believe you can get back to your blonde by using color. When you add color on top of another color, it's always gonna be darker. I think the best to hope for would be a medium brown to cover that henna.

Of course, I could be wrong, ademtce is the color expert around here :)

No, I'm not a light blond. And I lifted my hennaed color to roughly the same level my natural color was ... just much, much more orange. I colored over it with a dark ash blond semi-permanent color (Natural Instincts) and it came out reasonably close to my roots and the ash + the underlying orange gave a decent dark golden blond color. It's a tad darker but close enough.

I don't know how long it will last; it is only a semi-permanent and hennaed hair is notorious for not holding color. But it's been two weeks and it still looks good so far.

I want to try Color Touch next time I touch up rather than a boxed dye. If I'm going back to chemical color I want to at least use a good one to minimize the damage.

[manderly]

I've had much better and longer lasting results with Wella and Ion Shine (Sally's brand) and the lowest volume developer I could get (6 for Wella, 10 for Ion).

The box dyes eventually fade out to orange, while the 2 I've mentioned never go really orange on me :)

[ademtce]

Two more questions. I msut be getting to the end of these.....

Since baby-fine hair like mine supposedly doesn't take as long to color, should I leave the color on the entire time?

Also wondering how much I need to mix up? If I used one tube of color, I would end up with six ounces of stuff. Would that be enough?


definitely run strand test, on different timing and choose the one that has the best results


Will the matt color darken the shade? And is that what it is a called -- a matt color? Sorry, I'm kind of an ignoramus about this stuff; I've always used boxed dye from the drugstore.

I want to achieve a med/dark blond color; my hair is light but orange from henna. I don't want to go too much darker than my natural color because I am lazy & like to let it go for a while between colorings; so it needs to be something that blends in with my roots. There are pics of my natural color, along with my hennaed color and my dyed-over-hennaed color in my album. I used Natural Instincts but would prefer to use a better haircolor next time I do it.

Any recommendations would be welcome.

unfortunately all bets are off when dealing with hair that has been henna-ed, regardless of being pure.

[UP Lisa]

Thank you all so much for your help. I did it Saturday night with some help from a very reluctant husband. He was afraid I would blame him if it didn't turn out.

So far I am loving it! I left it on for the entire time, and it actually turned out a nicer color than the strand test did. Now I'm just afraid to wash it. So afraid the color will come out.

I did the coconut oil before coloring thing. I think I might have put on a little too much oil, since some of it is still on the hair after rinsing and conditioning. I used Well In-Depth conditioner after coloring.

I will post a picture when I get a chance. I think the color suits me. And it really is shiny!

[K_Angel]

Congratulations!!!!!!!!! :cheese:

I'm so glad it turned out well for you!!!!!!!

Keep us posted on how it stays in your hair and all. :)

How does the texture feel?

[UP Lisa]

I think it feels pretty good. A little bit hard to tell due to the oil in it.

[UP Lisa]

Here is a picture:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/lmreddin/Hair/Img_0674.jpg

[UP Lisa]

And one more:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/lmreddin/Hair/Img_0676.jpg

[ChrissieM]

that's a lovely color red!

[UP Lisa]

Thank you! It is looking a little oily due to the coconut oil treatment I gave it before coloring.

[manderly]

Great job :D

I don't get any color in the rinse in the shower after the 1st wash :)

[ademtce]

looks wonderful!

[K_Angel]

Really great color!!!! Looks awesome!!! :cheese:

Looking forward to your report on your first wash. :blossom:

[UP Lisa]

Well, I washed it last night, since I couldn't deal with it being oily. I used a non-sulfate organic-type shampoo and the coolest water I could stand. It seems to have come out OK. Still Red, anyway. And it really does not seem damaged. Has it's usual tangles.

I realized that the Wella In-Depth conditioner I had put on right after has dimethicone, so don't want to use that anymore. Don't want to have to clarify.

[ademtce]

you should only use it for post-color anyway.

[UP Lisa]

So, Ademtce, if I want to stay Red, what's the best way for me to do that without damaging my hair any more than I have to? Just apply the color to the roots next time, and hope enough gets on the length when I rinse?

[ademtce]

color touch is safe to put all over, in a professional salon use senario of touching up color they would apply the permanent color to the lengths & then use color touch to refresh the lengths.

[UP Lisa]

color touch is safe to put all over, in a professional salon use senario of touching up color they would apply the permanent color to the lengths & then use color touch to refresh the lengths.

Did you mean they would apply permanent color to the roots?

[ademtce]

yes, sorry i was absent-mindedly typed that. they use the permanent color for roots & CT for the lengths.

[UP Lisa]

When they say that a semi permanent will last 6-12 shampoos, or a demi permanent will last through 28 shampoos, do they mean that it will be completely out after that time?

[ademtce]

its really depends on your hair, so lighter hair like blondes, it may leave a slight stain.

[UP Lisa]

Just wondered if they meant it would START washing out after that many shampoos, or be out after that many shampoos.

[ademtce]

usually they should be pretty much all gone after (x) amount of washes. if you want extra permanence apply with 20V once and every touch up after that use the lower 6 or 10 V

[CinnamonCurls]

When I was 15 (a few days before, so technically 14) I began using a semi permanent color in an Auburn shade from Sally's. It NEVER washed out. After 6 months had passed (I never knew people could see the difference in color of colored hair versus new roots, since when I looked at the length I could see while looking down at it (not in a mirror), it was STILL just as bright red...and like I said, I have no memory of the roots growing out until a long time after...clueless 15 year olds) After quite a few touch ups (once I realized roots grew out) and not really having been taught how to color hair (applied to whole head every time) I ended up with a very, very deep burgandy color, (looks close to black in old pictures, and I am a level 7 natural,) and where I had applied the most dye was actually beginning to turn purple. I never changed brands or application process until I noticed the purple hair. I guess I was just clueless until then?!?! Assuming the color was doing what it said it would...anyways, about the time of the purple hair the brand was no longer carried, so I switched brands/colors...With EVERY semi permanent I used (for the next 5+ years) I always could see as massive difference in the roots and dyed hair, and based on photos taken of me during the said "wash out" time, my hair color never really changed...all I had to do was keep touching up my roots each month and it was pretty flawless on the length....well, besides the "wash out" color NEVER washing out....EVER. I do have very porous hair, and quite a unique story on how I went from having wavy/straight hair, to having tiny curls on the shorter parts, and nice big curls down the length...so who knows with my hair...it's been a weird thing to deal with growing up...basically going from getting it permed regularly, to having natural pretty spiral curls all within a year.

So, beware with some brands...another friend of mine had the same trouble...since my parents let me dye my hair at that age, she did too, with semi-perm also, and ended up being so mad at the color, and it never left her hair until she grew it ALL out and she was so triumphant on the day the last inches were finally trimmed off!

[K_Angel]

Just wondered if they meant it would START washing out after that many shampoos, or be out after that many shampoos.
How's the color holding up and what have you done to your hair so far? Clarified yet?

[UP Lisa]

Well, the color seems to be good yet. I have cut down on my washes, am using the coolest water I can stand, and using shampoos for red hair, including Artec color depositing.

My hair is always VERY tangly, which causes me a lot of damage when trying to remove the knots. It was feeling even more tangly and somewhat dry, so I did an SMT on it yesterday. Didn't know if that was a good idea, since some poeple have said that honey had a bleaching effect on their hair. Luckily, that didn't seem to happen, and my hair is feeling better.

[UP Lisa]

P.S. Trying to avoid clarifying.

[LoveMyMutt]

Well, the color seems to be good yet. I have cut down on my washes, am using the coolest water I can stand, and using shampoos for red hair, including Artec color depositing.

My hair is always VERY tangly, which causes me a lot of damage when trying to remove the knots. It was feeling even more tangly and somewhat dry, so I did an SMT on it yesterday. Didn't know if that was a good idea, since some poeple have said that honey had a bleaching effect on their hair. Luckily, that didn't seem to happen, and my hair is feeling better.

If you heat the honey in the microwave for a few seconds, it neutralizes the peroxide.

I have pretty porous hair, and have found that demi-permanent color usually lasts me about 4 weeks before I really notice the fading. Mind you, I don't use shampoo ever.

[K_Angel]

Well, the color seems to be good yet. I have cut down on my washes, am using the coolest water I can stand, and using shampoos for red hair, including Artec color depositing.

My hair is always VERY tangly, which causes me a lot of damage when trying to remove the knots. It was feeling even more tangly and somewhat dry, so I did an SMT on it yesterday. Didn't know if that was a good idea, since some poeple have said that honey had a bleaching effect on their hair. Luckily, that didn't seem to happen, and my hair is feeling better.
If I remember correctly, the honey only bleaches if you don't heat it first. So, if you've heated it, I think you're ok.

I'm glad the color is holding.

I use SLeS shampoo, so I'm a little concerned about that.

Thanks for keeping us posted! :flower:

[UP Lisa]

Actually, I did not heat the honey. I used some SMT I had mixed up in the past. Luckily, it didn't seem to damage the color. Next time, I will heat it first, though.

Does anyone know if you can only mix up enough for one treatment if you heat the honey?

[K_Angel]

Up Lisa: How's the color doing?

[UP Lisa]

Hi. Pretty well so far. It's still Red, anyway! I don't mind my natural color, but I'm really loving this!

[manderly]

I'm glad you like it so much :) It looks lovely.

I think it sticks around much longer than regular dyes, and when it does fade, its so gradual that it seems much more natural. :)

[K_Angel]

Very cool! And how is the texture of your hair?

[manderly]

Mine? It feels great :D

[K_Angel]

:rollin: Well, yes, anyone who uses it, I like to hear if they feel their texture or dryness has increased, but I meant to ask UpLisa. :laugh:

[manderly]

Yeah, I thought you were talking to her but I wasn't sure :D

[UP Lisa]

Texture seems about the same as usual. My hair has always been very tangly. It may be slightly drier on the ends; not really sure.

[K_Angel]

Thanks, UpLisa for the update! :flower:

[jackie75]

color mix - get a Neutral + a Matt color to cancel out any red. its about 1.oz N + 1/2 oz Matt.

Can you please elaborate on the matt color? I'm pretty much made up my mind that I'm going to try this, since I don't want to use henna.

Is matt also ash? Or is there another wella color product I'm not finding online?

[UP Lisa]

Well, my hair is still Red, but has definitely faded. It has been washed 11 times. I have used the coolest water I can stand, have used color depositing shampoo alternating with color protecting shampoo, and have kept my hair out of the sun.

I had hoped the color would hold up longer, but I know it is hard to get a Red to last.

I am thinking of putting some Clairol Loving Care on to revive the color. Does anyone see a problem with this? I don't want to use the Color Touch again yet.

[ademtce]

Can you please elaborate on the matt color? I'm pretty much made up my mind that I'm going to try this, since I don't want to use henna.

Is matt also ash? Or is there another wella color product I'm not finding online?

matt has a blue base while ash has a gray/green.
so you'll want the matt cause it will really help you kick that red out - but one question is your hair already henna-ed? if so you this may not work out if even if the formulate is 100% perfect. henna has way of resisting being cancelled out and will not let go.

but as always strand test it. you never know it may work for you.

[jackie75]

I used Surya Henna (brown shade, don't remember which one) once a little over a year ago. But BAQ Henna, no. I'm too afraid to go messing with it. :) I don't know if Surya counts as real henna since it's an extract?

I thought I would need green to tone down the red/brassiness? This blue/green thing is confusing to me. Is the matt a neutral tone? None of the products say "matt" that I've seen. Just the same ol' ash, warm, neutral, etc.

My virgin hair (about an inch & a half long) is a light/medium ash brown. Right now, all I see is gray there. The dyed part is a very brassy/reddish/burgundy brown color (don't know how to describe it, lol). I'm not looking yet to cover my grays, but I do want to blend my new growth with the rest. It doesn't have to be perfectly matching, just to tone down the red is good enough.

It's been two months since I've touched a box dye. I'll never go back to them again. I was a major box-oholic. I didn't know any better.

One more thing. The product I'm thinking of getting is the color charm, not touch, along with the charm activating lotion. From what I understand, this is deposit only too. I don't mind if it washes out soon or if it doesn't cover my grays. I only wash once maybe twice a week anyway (no sulfates, etc).

Thanks ademtce! This board is very fortunate to have such a color expert! :D

[UP Lisa]

I agree. Thank you for all your help, Ademtce!

[K_Angel]

Since I'm wanting a warm brown color for my med. brown hair, do you think I'll have as much
problem keeping the color in? I guess I'm wondering if everyone thinks UpLisa's color fade is because of red being a notoriously hard color to keep in hair?

I know there's no way I could baby my hair like UpLisa has so gallantly done with hers, and I'm a little concerned about using this and having it fade too fast?

[lilith]

Can you please elaborate on the matt color? I'm pretty much made up my mind that I'm going to try this, since I don't want to use henna.

Is matt also ash? Or is there another wella color product I'm not finding online?

Jackie, unless you're talking about a specific brand, the terms "matt" and "ash" are all but useless, because each manufacturer has a different color that they describe as "ash".

For instance, Wella's ash tone is gray with a bit of a green cast, Renbow's "ash" is violet, Schwarzkopf's is violet, but it's not a true violet - it's a blue-violet that's good for knocking out gold and yellowy brass tones.

Since this thread is about Wella Color Touch, Wella's description applies, but if you're just talking about coloring hair, without knowing what brand you want? You're better off just thinking in terms of what base you need. So if your hair has a red-orange cast you want to cover, you want a green, or greenish blue, base to cancel that out. If you want to lighten your hair and find that it gets that orangey-yellow tone, you want color with a blue-violet base. If you have gray to cover, you'll want half the formula to be a neutral base (for gray coverage) and the rest can be whatever tone, or tones, you want (like the blue/green/violet bases to cancel out unwanted brassy tones)

Does that make sense?

My cousin is a cosmetologist and I love picking her brain about this stuff :D

[jackie75]

Thanks lilith!

Yes, that's why I posted here, because I'm going to be using Wella. Box dyes are so evil, & I don't want to henna because of the red.

Sounds like the ash will be perfect in my case. I can't wait for my color to arrive. I ordered off of Sally's, since I needed other accessories. I'm getting really excited. I haven't dyed my hair for over two months....I never have gone that long since I started coloring 11 years ago! :)

[manderly]

Since I'm wanting a warm brown color for my med. brown hair, do you think I'll have as much
problem keeping the color in? I guess I'm wondering if everyone thinks UpLisa's color fade is because of red being a notoriously hard color to keep in hair?

I know there's no way I could baby my hair like UpLisa has so gallantly done with hers, and I'm a little concerned about using this and having it fade too fast?

Well, I think it's a combo of both. I don't baby my hair at all, but I'm dyeing my hair practically it's natural color, just a hare darker and cooler, so my color doesn't fade much at all (or is hardly noticeable when it does). I think that red IS notorious for fading, but she's also coloring her hair another color...she's a blonde, right? So she's not doing a red base with red dye like I am so she's seeing a lot faster fade.

HTH :flower:

[K_Angel]

Well, I think it's a combo of both. I don't baby my hair at all, but I'm dyeing my hair practically it's natural color, just a hare darker and cooler, so my color doesn't fade much at all (or is hardly noticeable when it does). I think that red IS notorious for fading, but she's also coloring her hair another color...she's a blonde, right? So she's not doing a red base with red dye like I am so she's seeing a lot faster fade.

HTH :flower:
Yes, I think I understand. In my case I want the same color I have (in fact, if I could determine what color it is, I'd want it exact) but I do have a growing number of white hairs. I was just thinking today that it seems like it's gotten a bit more white just in the last few days. I know that's not entirely possible, but you know what I mean. :)

The white hair is evenly dispersed throughout my hair, so I imagine, if I went with a slightly lighter color it would end up looking like natural highlights in my hair. And I definitely don't want to risk going darker.

On the scale of whether I'm a warm or cool toned person, I always fall on the warm side. In the sun my hair has some red highlights (I have virgin hair). I don't mind them at all, but I would not want to make my hair more red than it already is, if that makes sense? But don't feel the need to try to cancel them out either.

How would I achieve the same brown color I have? (my avatar looks almost black and my hair is not that color) My hair probably looks more like this color, especially near her roots but is too light at the bottom, in real life:

http://www.realbeauty.com/cm/realbeauty/images/hw/rb-long-brown-hair-17-0809-mdn.jpg

http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/2/20652/30_2007/AliciaSilverstone2.jpg

http://static.becomegorgeous.com/img/arts/2009/Oct/10/1340/brown_hair_thumb.jpg

It's so hard to describe my hair because on wash day it looks a lot lighter than it does the rest of the time. And by the time it's ready to be washed again, it's darker, so it looks a lot more medium brown. If that makes sense?? :shrug: The above pictures are kind of what my hair goes through in that time frame. Except that any place that has blond highlights are not what my hair does, but a bit of a reddish tint to them.

And this one ( http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/album.php?albumid=4335&pictureid=55879 ) is from my album so you can see that it has more "red" in it than the others. But since it was dark in the hallway and I think I used a little bit of oil in my hair, it's a bit darker than my normal color. But probably the closest I have to my real color on camera. Most of the time, on camera my hair looks really dark. But it's not. I would say the section from my shoulders to my APL would be the most accurate to my color.

Also, for some reason, my head just goes "tilt" when I think of putting blue/violet in my hair. Feels so counter-intuitive. But for my color hair, and to get as close as I can to it, does that mean I do a blue/violet and a neutral (because of the gray/whites)?

What do you think about my idea of purposefully choosing a slightly lighter color for my hair so that it would make the gray/white look like highlights?

[manderly]

I think (I'm no expert) that using a slightly lighter color with the lowest vol developer would do what you hope it would (fake highlights) since the developer wouldn't be strong enough to really pull much color out of your natural hair.

[K_Angel]

I think (I'm no expert) that using a slightly lighter color with the lowest vol developer would do what you hope it would (fake highlights) since the developer wouldn't be strong enough to really pull much color out of your natural hair.
Very cool! Thank you!

What color do you think I should choose and how would I figure that color out in their types?

[ademtce]

Thanks lilith!

Yes, that's why I posted here, because I'm going to be using Wella. Box dyes are so evil, & I don't want to henna because of the red.

Sounds like the ash will be perfect in my case. I can't wait for my color to arrive. I ordered off of Sally's, since I needed other accessories. I'm getting really excited. I haven't dyed my hair for over two months....I never have gone that long since I started coloring 11 years ago! :)

i really hate to tell you this, but all bets are off with Color Charm - there is not guarantee
that it wont make a mess of you hair. the only line that will not rough up your hair are the professional lines like Color Touch & Koleston Perfect.

[jackie75]

i really hate to tell you this, but all bets are off with Color Charm - there is not guarantee
that it wont make a mess of you hair. the only line that will not rough up your hair are the professional lines like Color Touch & Koleston Perfect.

Wow. Why is that? I didn't think there would be too much of a difference between the two. Is the developer harsher?

If I recall, the reason I went with the charm was because I couldn't find the color I needed with the other one.

[lilith]

i really hate to tell you this, but all bets are off with Color Charm - there is not guarantee
that it wont make a mess of you hair. the only line that will not rough up your hair are the professional lines like Color Touch & Koleston Perfect.

This hasn't been my experience at all, Adem.

I like Koleston Perfect and Color Touch, but when my hair was on the fragile side, the KP and CT didn't seem any more gentle than Color Charm. Now my hair's a lot healthier, and I still haven't noticed a significant difference between the "professional" line and Color Charm. Definitely not enough to justify the price difference plus shipping, unless it can be found on eBay at a dirt cheap price (and then I'm always nervous about the quality).

Jackie, it's been said that the pro developers are better than Sally's developers, and there might be some truth to this. I haven't noticed a huge difference either way, but I've been using Framesi and Koleston Perfect developers for about a year now and I like them.

I buy my developers at these sites:

http://www.extendedlengths.com/index.html

http://beautyclicks.com/categories_products/products/54

I don't buy pro color often, but when I do, I buy those here too. Hth :)

[jackie75]

I got the wella color charm along with the color charm activating lotion.

Why is this wella product "not professional line" but the touch is? I'm confused. I thought the only difference was that the touch was a semi, & the charm was a demi....as listed on Sally beauty supply website. :confused:

[lilith]

I got the wella color charm along with the color charm activating lotion.

Why is this wella product "not professional line" but the touch is? I'm confused. I thought the only difference was that the touch was a semi, & the charm was a demi....as listed on Sally beauty supply website. :confused:


Color Charm has both permanent and demi shades. You should be fine with the Color Charm demi and their activating lotion (which is just a low volume developer - probably 6 or 10 volume).

Color Touch is also a demi. It's just the more expensive line that licensed colorists use. Some people say they see a difference, so if you aren't happy with Color Charm you could give CT a try, but Color Charm works just fine for me. I've used both the permanent and demi versions.

I really WISH Wella had a semi permanent color (semi permanent = no developer or "activator", you just use what's in the bottle), but as far as I know, they don't carry one.

[jackie75]

Thank you lilith!

Well, I hope it turns out OK. I don't want to go through the hassle of returning it. Lesson learned. Just because it says Wella, doesn't mean it's professional. Sheesh, they could of been a little clearer on the product page!

I think this is still a much better option than henna or boxed dye. :) My hair looks awful now. I can't wait to get some ash on it! lol.

[lilith]

Thank you lilith!

Well, I hope it turns out OK. I don't want to go through the hassle of returning it. Lesson learned. Just because it says Wella, doesn't mean it's professional. Sheesh, they could of been a little clearer on the product page!

I think this is still a much better option than henna or boxed dye. :) My hair looks awful now. I can't wait to get some ash on it! lol.


I'm sure it will look great, Jackie! Let us know how it goes! :D

[UP Lisa]

The thing I question about the "professional" products is if they last as long on the hair. It would not surprise me if they were made to not last as long so as to have a person coming back more often.

[jackie75]

I wouldn't doubt it! How is your color coming along? I'm surprised that red tends to fade so quick. I guess in my case, it's not red dye that's showing but brassy bleached hair since for the past two months or so I've been trying to get my old dark color to fade with various methods. I guess it worked! :)
Anyway, my color should be here tomorrow. As soon as I get it I'm slappin' that ashy stuff on my hair! I'll post pics as soon as I can.

[UP Lisa]

It has definitely faded. Still red, but not very red.

Does anyone have an opinion on how it would work for me to apply a semi-permanent over this so that I don't need to use the demi again for a while?

[K_Angel]

Please pardon me for asking the question of color twice! I tore a ligament in my ankle and the pain meds sometime make me loopy. And for some reason in the middle of the night with pain meds in my system I seem to go online and ask goofy questions. :rollin:

[jackie75]

LOL! Pain meds tend to make me very talkitive.

[jackie75]

My hair is not completely dry yet, but I can tell this was a failure. :(
My roots are still showing, & the red is still there. Didn't even touch my grays! I got much better results from the boxed stuff! It looks like I did nothing to my hair!

I'll wait till it dries, but I doubt there will be much difference. I've done this too many times, only to be disappointed that the red is still there.

I might as well just dye it black!! :mad:

ETA: Let's see if I can post pics.

Outside:
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/picture.php?pictureid=74095&albumid=5551&dl=1276036707&thumb=1

Inside under bathroom lights (look at the virgin growth & grays not covered!):
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=5551&pictureid=74096

[K_Angel]

Jackie: Just to clarify, you used the Charm not the Color Touch right?

[jackie75]

Yes, I used the charm from Sally's beauty supply web site. I can't believe I got absolutely no coverage from this! If I would of known that the charm was a totally different product than the touch, I never would of bought it. I thought the only difference was one was a semi, & this was a demi.

[K_Angel]

Jackie: Are you going to try the Color Touch this time? I'd be very interested in hearing your results using Color Touch and comparing what you see.

Also, I was wondering, have you gray hairs been giving all dyes a bad time, or was this the first time for no coverage?

[UP Lisa]

ColorTouch is a demi.

[jackie75]

This is the first time I had no coverage with my grays. I didn't mind if I got no coverage on the grays, but no coverage on the rest of my hair?! That's what shocked me!

I have used boxed semi-permanents before, & I always got some gray coverage, not total, but enough. And it always covered my virgin growth & blended nicely with the rest.

I don't know what to do now. I'm almost tempted to say the heck with it, & use the henna I have in my freezer. I'll never be able to escape the red anyway. The only time I wasn't red was when I bleached my hair & then dyed it an ash blond. I'm not bleaching my hair again though, that's for sure.

[K_Angel]

Ok, I'm "circling the wagons" again. :rollin: Just wanted to check again on everyone's long term use of the Wella Color Touch. Is everyone still liking it and not detecting much if any damage? Color staying true and etc?

Manderly: Still using it regularly and liking it?

[jackie75]

I've used it a couple times now. I can't for the life of me cancel out the brassiness in my hair though. I tried different shades, but there is always some warmth....maybe I need to go a level darker, I'm not sure. I even used just the blue color 0/88 & it still didn't cancel out the orange/red I have.

I've come across contradicting info when it comes to what the base color is for the ash tone. Some say green, some say blue-green, & others say gray.

I almost said to myself, if you can't beat 'em, join them....& use henna instead. I even had times that I was ready to just chop of my hair, and start over.

As far as damage, I haven't noticed anymore then I already have. My hair has been growing pretty well, I'm now at BSL.

I think next time I'm going to use the 5/1. A level darker, and it's just plain ash. Then go from there.

[UP Lisa]

I'm about to try it again. The first time it didn't last very well for me, but this time I am only going to do CO washes after. Hopefully that will make a difference.

Didn't notice damage after I used it. I did apply coconut oil prior to using it, so maybe that helped.

[Babyfine]

Hi UP Lisa! I just wanted to stop in and say that your hair turned out beautiful!
I haven't posted here in awhile but I remember when you were contemplating doing the red. I love it- and it looks nice and healthy.
I have no experience with Wella color touch- I do get my hair colored every 3-5 months at the salon with Redkens Shades EQ. It's very gentle, definetly the most gentle product that I've ever used on my hair to date. I do recommend it if one is going to use chemical color.
She mixes a brown and red together ( I think cherry cola is one of them) and I do seem to get about 8 weeks out of it. The Redkens is a proffesional color so I don't know if one could get it outside of a salon.
I'm sure my hair would be healthier if I didn't color at all- but I am trying to cover a few greys. I have been thinking about henna, or Loving Care so I can do my hair at home - as the salon color gets $$$$. I stretch mine out as far as possible so I have to live with a few greys for a couple of weeks before I get it re-touched.
I've been researching henna for awhile now-just scared to take the plunge as it's so permanent. My hair is uber-fine and gets damaged very easily, so I keep thinking that maybe the henna would help strengthen it. But I don't know if I want that commitment.
I think the Wella worked beautifully on you. I agree with what an above poster said-red fades faster than the other colors. I heard it's because the dye molecule is smaller. I used to get red highlites(permanent color) years ago and I remember they faded quite fast.

[UP Lisa]

Hi Babyfine. Thank you for the compliments! After I used the Wella, I used Loving Care. I did CO only, and my hair was still looking Red after 2 months. I have a tube of Color Touch left, so plan to use that. After that I may just use the Loving Care if I want Red. I do love the Red, and it looks natural on me.

[manderly]

K Angel, I haven't used it again since I packed it in a box and moved to the mainland. I definitely need to though, my hair is back to it's regular brassiness. I've also been fairly absent here since I've been traveling a lot.

Now that I've got an apartment and will be able to get settled (on the 15th), I hope to dig out my dye and do my hair and be more present here again :D

I also can't say if my hair's any more damaged or not, since I've been fighting with several water and climate changes and my hair and I have been battling more than normal. :flower:

[K_Angel]

Manderly: Mahalo for answering! :)

I imagine your hair would have "culture shock" anywhere on the mainland compared to Hawaii!

Thanks for getting back to me and I hope you will soon be all settled in. :)

[K_Angel]

I'm about to try it again. The first time it didn't last very well for me, but this time I am only going to do CO washes after. Hopefully that will make a difference.

Didn't notice damage after I used it. I did apply coconut oil prior to using it, so maybe that helped.
Thanks! :)

Unfortunately, I can't use coconut oil as it strips my hair something fierce. I have no idea why. :shrug:

Hopefully, the stuff won't be too harsh on my hair. Everyone seems to have had great success with it not hurting their hair texture too much. So, I'm hopeful. :)

[UP Lisa]

Thanks! :)

Unfortunately, I can't use coconut oil as it strips my hair something fierce. I have no idea why. :shrug:

Hopefully, the stuff won't be too harsh on my hair. Everyone seems to have had great success with it not hurting their hair texture too much. So, I'm hopeful. :)

That's funny. You have the same hair type as I do.

[lilith]

I've come across contradicting info when it comes to what the base color is for the ash tone. Some say green, some say blue-green, & others say gray.

Jackie, in my humble opinion, the term "ash" is useless because every company has a different tone that they call "ash".

It's more practical to just learn what colors you need to drab out the warmth (or enhance it, when that's the goal) and then select colors with those particular base tones. Usually this means learning the what the numbers represent for the brand you're using; for instance Wella's /2 is a green-blue teal shade, which is perfect for cancelling out the red-orange warmth people get when they lighten from, say, level 2 to level 5. The /1 is a gray tone that tones down warmth in general, but isn't as good (for me at least) at cancelling out the specific tones a person might want to eliminate.

For your orange/red, I would definitely try one of the /2 shades! They are made specifically for counteracting your orangey-red pigments. (Do they have a 6/2? If so, maybe give that a try?)

[jackie75]

Funny, that's exactly what I tried last time, was the 6/2. Although it was the KP since I couldn't find the /2's in color touch. I still have red bits in my hair. I'm beginning to think, that no matter how low of a developer I use, my hair will pull some warmth. I have one more shade I'm going to try, and that's the /1's. I used the /71's before and later read that it's not as cool toned as the /1's.

It's been a frustrating experience, to say the least. Too bad I don't want red....I can easily get it, lol.

[ademtce]

you can use Koleston perfect mixed with a 13 or 10 Vol developer and it'll be the same as using color touch. there are only slight differences.

[jackie75]

Thanks ademtce, that's good to know! :) It will be awhile before I color again, as long as it doesn't get too brassy looking, I want to wait long as possible. This is the longest my hair has been in 14 years....I'm afraid to screw it up, lol.