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DragonLady
December 20th, 2009, 08:36 PM
I kinda...almost...accidentally got myself embroiled in a controversy about heated appliances and hair.

Anyone want to comment on this topic? ETA: Link Removed, please do not start Board Wars. -Dianyla

Maybe someone here is better at explaining then I am.

Edited because I accidentally posted before I was done typing.

manderly
December 20th, 2009, 08:50 PM
eh, I wouldn't argue with "anonymous" online. Save your breath :)

Bene
December 20th, 2009, 08:54 PM
Don't bother. They "know" what they know, not going to convert people who don't want to hear it.

Nat242
December 20th, 2009, 09:09 PM
You've said your piece, and have suggested sources for this person to explore if they're interested. They're NOT interested in changing their point of view, so there's nothing else that can be done.

One of the things I'm trying to learn is when to walk away. Some people are incapable of acknowledging that they might be wrong about something, or that other points of view may have some merit. Those people are not worth arguing with; you'll drive yourself batty.

That's why I keep this comic (http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png) bookmarked.

ETA: You may not have convinced or informed Anonymous, but other people reading that site may consider the information you've presented.

DragonLady
December 20th, 2009, 09:14 PM
That's why I keep this comic bookmarked.

lol

And now I do too. Thanks! :)

Longlocks3
December 20th, 2009, 09:24 PM
OMG.

'Using a heat protecting spray and a good salon quality shampoo will protect your hair"...........


WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. But alas, the myths are so ingrained to main stream hair society it's widely believed.

I did love the part about living with three feet of hair though.

missjessiecakes
December 20th, 2009, 09:39 PM
All you'll get by arguing with them is a headache. We will live here in our world of hair care and they will live there in theirs and we will just look at each other over the divide. :flower:

manderly
December 20th, 2009, 09:40 PM
I snarked out on her. Couldn't help it, she was being a biatch.

DragonLady
December 20th, 2009, 09:44 PM
I snarked out on her. Couldn't help it, she was being a biatch.

lol Love your comment. Right back at her. :)

spidermom
December 20th, 2009, 09:52 PM
I think you both have a point. Yes, water can be brought to a boil, but it takes some time; it doesn't happen instantaneously. If a heat protective spray is used, #1 it's very slick so the flat-iron glides right down it easily without hanging up anywhere long enough to bring water to a boil, and #2 silicone is a very poor heat conductor. It keeps the heat from penetrating into the hair. Of course if you're keeping the hair clamped onto a very hot curling iron, the above two arguments don't apply.

DragonLady
December 20th, 2009, 10:04 PM
I think you both have a point. Yes, water can be brought to a boil, but it takes some time; it doesn't happen instantaneously. If a heat protective spray is used, #1 it's very slick so the flat-iron glides right down it easily without hanging up anywhere long enough to bring water to a boil, and #2 silicone is a very poor heat conductor. It keeps the heat from penetrating into the hair. Of course if you're keeping the hair clamped onto a very hot curling iron, the above two arguments don't apply.

I've never used a straightener myself. But the few times I've seen other people use one, they've s-l-o-w-l-y pulled it down the hair, so I think it has time to do plenty of damage.

Back in the 80's I curled my hair almost every single day. I'd turn the thing up on "high" and hold each curl to a count of 60. Then wait for it to cool enough to touch before I'd add hair spray, then sometimes brush or curl it again.

I had NO IDEA how much damage I was doing. I really believed that a curling iron made for hair was...well, safe to use on hair. I didn't really figure out the connection between that and the thousands of hairs in my hairbrush every day until I quit using thing for a few months. When I went back to it and started getting those clumps of hair again I realized what was causing it. But I still used it occasionally right up 'till I decided to grow my hair really long, and gave it up along with my blow dryer.

BlackfootHair
December 20th, 2009, 10:11 PM
lol I couldn't resist. :)

DragonLady
December 20th, 2009, 11:28 PM
Thanks, everyone, for commenting. :) I admit, I was a little ticked at the anonymous who claimed to be a hairdresser, as I thought she was being rude.

I think I lost a suicidal person there last night, and seeing that comment on the hair topic today kinda made me boil a bit. :(

I do agree, though, that it's usually futile to argue with them. Nevertheless, I answer every topic I can because I figure that even if 99% of the people reading aren't going to get it or at least take the time to find out for themselves, at least one person somewhere might. The same with the trolls and the attention-seekers; if they're just playing games someone who is serious might read it and be helped or at least be willing to seek more help somewhere else.

DarkBotticelli
December 21st, 2009, 12:14 AM
Hehe, I am sooo tired of people trying to tell others that heat styling and a massive amount of "product" are safe and carrying on this war on natural hair. I bought into in high school and straightened my hair at least once a week and destroyed it. I would let it recoup over the summer, but the damage was still horrendous as well as what is was doing to my self-esteem. Women need to see that beauty is more than slick straight, chemically altered hair and that we don't need to hurt our health to be beautiful. That's my wordy way of saying that I joined in as well. Haha, and I enjoyed it. Of course, it's in her best interest to recommend straightening and using products. She makes a career out of it. I almost feel bad for the poor ignorant soul...

Shermie Girl
December 21st, 2009, 12:42 AM
I couldn't resist... :D

WavyGirl
December 21st, 2009, 01:28 AM
I try not to get sucked into these arguments although I am often entertained reading them :evil:

I posted answering her original question instead. Poor girl sounds very confused. What a shame to be scared to wear your hair down.

Nat242 I love the comic.

Heidi_234
December 21st, 2009, 02:58 AM
That's what they are taught in beauty school - to sell.
How the heck shampoos can save your hair from heat styling damage?

I'm also in the camp of those who fail to see how any cream protects hair from the heat. If you smudge the flat iron with the "heat-protecting" cream/gel/whatever, would you be able to run your fingers across the hot surface without burning them? No. Also, isn't the heat is what makes it straighten/curl? Wouldn't a cream that really insulates heat counteract the flat iron in that case?

Dreams_in_Pink
December 21st, 2009, 03:25 AM
this is why i no longer go to hair dresser's.

Crysta
December 21st, 2009, 05:24 AM
I am a hairdresser (I wont work in a shop or anything, but i'm qualified so I can wear that hat)
They do teach you the basics of what heat styling does to your hair. but they also teach you that the more you can get someone to let you do to their hair, the more money they can give you.

the encouragement of getting stylists to use bleaches, hair styling heat tools very nasty shampoos and cone filled conditioners is ridiculous. and it sells because imediately after someone's hair may look great and shiny. until a couple of hours later. or a wash later.

but yeah most stylists are brainwashed to hell 'heat protecting products' are basicly aload of BS - that's all I can say about them.



ETA:

SRSLY THOUGH! bitch got owned. that's what you get for trying to troll people when you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

vanity_acefake
December 21st, 2009, 10:41 AM
Good for you. I despise hairdressers who claim to know everything and believe all the product hype without doing any actual research. Nice to see one of them taught something new. Although i sadly doubt any of it went in!

Gvnagitlvgei
December 21st, 2009, 10:50 AM
Hahahaha at the comment asking if they truly believe protectants prevent heat damage and to spray it on the arm then strap the flat iron to it to test. LOL.

Bene
December 21st, 2009, 10:52 AM
LOL @ the LHC crew rolling in and taking on a hairdresser

Dianyla
December 21st, 2009, 11:38 AM
I'm closing this thread.

It's not fun when TLHC gets invaded by trolls, and it's not appropriate to post here on TLHC asking members here to go gang up on other people at other websites. :shake:

I know the holidays are stressful for everyone. Please find better ways to amuse yourselves.