Safe way to remove Manic Panic please?

[Xepher]

Alright ladies, this is the deal. When my hair gets longer and healthier, I plan to henna it a nice, really dark rich brown color and just LEAVE IT THE HECK ALONE! But before that, I want to have fun with it.

When I was 17 I had chin-length magenta hair. It was AWESOME. Made my eyes stick out like you wouldn't believe. HOWEVER, it was a biznatch and a half((pardon my language)) to get out. Now i'm craving purple hair, but before I even think about applying it, i'm wondering if there's any safe harmless way to remove Manic Panic. I don't think i'll have purple hair all the time until I henna so just incase I want to remove it, I need a way to :cool:

Any ideas?

[Riot Crrl]

Hmm. What are you putting it over? My experience was that when I put them over previously peroxided hair, "permanent" and "semi-permanent" tended to reverse roles. Permanent washed out immediately, and semi stayed forever.

ColorFix or ColorOops got them out, without much damage if any, but I wouldn't want to put myself through that unless necessary. They are also not supposed to work on semi, only on permanent, but they got the semi out for me regardless.

If you must do this I would MP a strand test first, then ColorFix/ColorOops it to see what it does.

But my real question, why not just henna it now?

[Loviatar]

I think MP eventually fades, to be honest. It's not even as long-lasting as a semi-permanent. But dont take my word for it, maybe some other folks will come and chime in too.

Are you planning on bleaching again before you use it, or just putting purple over your natural colour? Purple would be dark enough to use over natural if you wanted to minimise damage.

I have bleached hair under my henna - maybe about half of my hair is bleached from the ends up, now, as I'm growing out my bleach damage. The henna has repaired some of the damage, but it will never be perfect. It's the one thing that puts me off bleaching and hennaing repeatedly to get bright red.

HTH.

[suicides_eve]

i used baby shampoo or dandruff shampoo they are what i used to really fade the color.

are you using it over colored or bleach hair?? it will hold it and you will more then likely have to do a "bleach cap" -mixed a small batch of bleach with shampoo/condish and apply for a few minutes, the shampoo acts as a buffer. you may have to do this a second time for stubborn color.


as for natural ideas i have none vinegar will make it stay in longer

[Xepher]

I think MP eventually fades, to be honest. It's not even as long-lasting as a semi-permanent. But dont take my word for it, maybe some other folks will come and chime in too.

Are you planning on bleaching again before you use it, or just putting purple over your natural colour? Purple would be dark enough to use over natural if you wanted to minimise damage.

I have bleached hair under my henna - maybe about half of my hair is bleached from the ends up, now, as I'm growing out my bleach damage. The henna has repaired some of the damage, but it will never be perfect. It's the one thing that puts me off bleaching and hennaing repeatedly to get bright red.

HTH.

No, definitely not bleaching first. And it does fade but some patches cling desperately. My pink still stayed in parts in the back and such, it was very hard to get out.

[Xepher]

i used baby shampoo or dandruff shampoo they are what i used to really fade the color.

are you using it over colored or bleach hair?? it will hold it and you will more then likely have to do a "bleach cap" -mixed a small batch of bleach with shampoo/condish and apply for a few minutes, the shampoo acts as a buffer. you may have to do this a second time for stubborn color.


as for natural ideas i have none vinegar will make it stay in longer

I'm doing it over colored hair, but I haven't colored in a veeeery long time...so I dunno.

[Xepher]

Hmm. What are you putting it over? My experience was that when I put them over previously peroxided hair, "permanent" and "semi-permanent" tended to reverse roles. Permanent washed out immediately, and semi stayed forever.

ColorFix or ColorOops got them out, without much damage if any, but I wouldn't want to put myself through that unless necessary. They are also not supposed to work on semi, only on permanent, but they got the semi out for me regardless.

If you must do this I would MP a strand test first, then ColorFix/ColorOops it to see what it does.

But my real question, why not just henna it now?

I don't want to henna now because I still don't know enough about henna for one, and second I want to have fun with my hair first and make it look funky.

[Xepher]

Hmm. What are you putting it over? My experience was that when I put them over previously peroxided hair, "permanent" and "semi-permanent" tended to reverse roles. Permanent washed out immediately, and semi stayed forever.

ColorFix or ColorOops got them out, without much damage if any, but I wouldn't want to put myself through that unless necessary. They are also not supposed to work on semi, only on permanent, but they got the semi out for me regardless.

If you must do this I would MP a strand test first, then ColorFix/ColorOops it to see what it does.

But my real question, why not just henna it now?

Oh I forgot to ask, silly me xD What IS ColorFix/ColorOops? I've never heard of either of these and have no idea where i'd find them :confused:

[suicides_eve]

sally's has it i used color zap for pictures on what its dose check out http://www.colorzap.50megs.com (http://www.colorzap.50megs.com/)

[Anje]

As I understand it, Manic Panic is reasonably safe, and if your hair isn't bleached or porous, it's notorious for coming out quickly on its own. (Not the case for you?)

No personal experience, but I've heard of people removing haircolor by a series of heavy oil treatments (think olive oil). Less hair friendly are techniques like washing with a honey-baby shampoo mixture, but deep condition really well afterward.

[Kirin]

LOl right now i'm dealing with this very problem, used midnight manic panic in my henna and used too much oops. Normally i get a brown cast, but on some of my hair i have GREEN eek!

Baby shampoo and SMT's with honey are slowly getting it out.

[Riot Crrl]

Oh I forgot to ask, silly me xD What IS ColorFix/ColorOops? I've never heard of either of these and have no idea where i'd find them :confused:


They are sulphur based products. I found one at my local drugstore, but if yours doesn't have it, then a beauty supply will.

They are quite strange. And very stinky, as they are sulphur based. In my understanding they work by 1. lifting up the hair scales so dye can fall out and 2. actually shrinking the dye molecules so that they are more likely to fall out. I didn't have to do this, but some people reported having to shampoo with a harsh shampoo, while the ColorFix was active, to really get them out. Else, their hair looked lighter while the ColorFix was active and dye was shrunk, but as soon as the dye molecules expanded again their hair darkened back up to the dye color.

While the ColorFix was active, my hair was quite scary and strange. It could stretch like a rubber band. I tried not to touch it for a while, and then it dried to a pale and only slightly more brittle version of my normal hair. Way better than bleaching the color out.

Another thing is that if you have been using peroxide dyes on your hair, and you ColorFix it out, you can end up with a range of pale and strange shades of color. It's normally recommended to use a deposit-only dye over it pretty soon, but if you plan to henna that should fit the bill.

[Xepher]

LOl right now i'm dealing with this very problem, used midnight manic panic in my henna and used too much oops. Normally i get a brown cast, but on some of my hair i have GREEN eek!

Baby shampoo and SMT's with honey are slowly getting it out.


I'm wondering why people are suggesting baby shampoo, wouldn't it be too gentle? O_O Gosh I don't know, but if you say it works then i'll consider it!

[Xepher]

They are sulphur based products. I found one at my local drugstore, but if yours doesn't have it, then a beauty supply will.

They are quite strange. And very stinky, as they are sulphur based. In my understanding they work by 1. lifting up the hair scales so dye can fall out and 2. actually shrinking the dye molecules so that they are more likely to fall out. I didn't have to do this, but some people reported having to shampoo with a harsh shampoo, while the ColorFix was active, to really get them out. Else, their hair looked lighter while the ColorFix was active and dye was shrunk, but as soon as the dye molecules expanded again their hair darkened back up to the dye color.

While the ColorFix was active, my hair was quite scary and strange. It could stretch like a rubber band. I tried not to touch it for a while, and then it dried to a pale and only slightly more brittle version of my normal hair. Way better than bleaching the color out.

Another thing is that if you have been using peroxide dyes on your hair, and you ColorFix it out, you can end up with a range of pale and strange shades of color. It's normally recommended to use a deposit-only dye over it pretty soon, but if you plan to henna that should fit the bill.


Stretch like a rubber band?! Holy moly that sounds really weird and scary! I'm tempted to use this just to experience that LOL! I wouldn't of course but WOW...i've just never heard of hair ever being like a rubber band!

[Riot Crrl]

I'm not going to lie, it was seriously freaky. At the time I had longer hair than I do now, probably around waist. After I saw that, I thought, "Wow, this time tomorrow I could be rocking a kicky bob, or possibly Mia Farrow in Rosemary's Baby cut." But, it stopped doing that as soon as the ColorFix was no longer active. My hair was a fairly normal version of what it was before, except for the strange array of light colors. I let it rest for a couple days, then covered it with drugstore blonde ammonia and peroxide dye, with no more ill effects than usual.

If faced with the options of bleaching dye out, or choosing one of these sulphur dye removal products, I will take the sulphur every time. If I had bleached the dye out of my hair, I'm certain it would have mostly broken off at ears or above. As bizarre as sulphur can be, I think it is more gentle than bleach. Too bad no stylist has ever heard of it.

[GlassEyes]

Take it from me; Manic panic will wash out all by it's lonesome.

do an AMT with some honey and don't microwave it. It should remove some of the color.

Now, if it were Special Effects, you'd have a problem...

[j4zzin]

My experience with manic panic over bleached hair is that it will fade on its own, especially if you shampoo (with regular old SLS) daily. I've used atomic turquoise, pastel pink, and purple with the same ultimate results. The lighter the color is to start with, the faster it fades.

If I were you I would try to minimize damage by letting the color fade by S&Cing daily. If you're going from magenta to purple, it won't be any biggie to dye over still slightly pink hair. It might even look that much more rad.

[dancingbarefoot]

I'm wondering why people are suggesting baby shampoo, wouldn't it be too gentle?

Baby shampoos are generally more alkaline (i.e., basic rather than acidic), which is supposedly good for removing color.

[Riot Crrl]

Manic Panic AND Special Effects both stuck around in my peroxided hair. I don't know the reason, I've had many friends with hair that was bleached way more into oblivion, and MP washed out in days. I think it may have been something to do with repeated peroxide keeping scales open forever, but no bleach so I still had a little hair structure for the vegetable dyes to stick to. "Permanent" drugstore dyes would wash out of it immediately, and any vegetable dyes would stay forever. According to ColorFix directions, they are only for "permanent" dyes. But it removed both Manic Panic and Special Effects from my hair.

Mostly. I had some slight tinges of bluish in places, but they were only on like the bottom inch of my hair which was around waist. If I cared that much I could have just S&D those, but I dyed blonde over them and they turned slightly green and I didn't worry too much. It was very sparsely distributed and not a big deal.

[Xepher]

I read all of your responses, thanks so much guys! Hopefully things will go well. I'll be sure to post pictures if I do it! ^__^

[Nightshade]

I'm wondering why people are suggesting baby shampoo, wouldn't it be too gentle? O_O Gosh I don't know, but if you say it works then i'll consider it!



Baby shampoo is only gently on the eyes, it's actually VERY hard on hair (as far as shampoos go, anyway). Eyes are alkaline, your scalp is acidic. So to make it "no more tears" they PH balance it to the eyes, making it too alkaline for the hair and scalp. This makes the cuticle of the hair lift, which is what makes it easier to rinse out dye. Following with an ACV rinse would help close the cuticle and make hair soft and shiny again.

the MP website reccomends baby shampoo as the method to get their colors out (or as out as possible, they do mention it's hard if you bleached your hair first).