1/2" growth per month to 1/2" in 4 days!!!

[Rapunzal2Be]

Sorry if I'm repeating someone I got a little lost in all the pages of this thread, but is it even possible to see results from DE in four days?? Or is the result of previous weeks or months regimes that have turned up in these 4 days?

I don't think anyone can really answer that question.

But considering one of the purported benefits of DE is a detox that seems to start happening immediately, I would assume it could be possible that if you were in need of the sort of detoxing DE could give you, it could give an immediate boost to your health, including a hair growth spurt? Just a thought....

[piratejenny23]

Sorry if I'm repeating someone I got a little lost in all the pages of this thread, but is it even possible to see results from DE in four days?? Or is the result of previous weeks or months regimes that have turned up in these 4 days?

if you're referring to the title of the thread, i explained in the OP that i had been taking DE for 2-3 weeks before i had this growth spurt of 1/2" in 4 days, and that i believe the MTG helped, too.

however, jojo had results after ONE day of taking DE; not in her hair growth, but with her respiratory problems. and she got an inch of growth in 11 days, which is pretty sweet! (see pg 22 of the thread, post #211).

[Elenna]

I agree. It is possible that health problems can have an impact on hair growth, so a detox with diatomaceous earth may be helpful.

[Savvyhorsez]

A couple of weeks ago I started taking diatomaceous earth, about 1 tablespoon per day, and my hair grew 1/2" in a week (Oct 2 to Oct 9). Oh and I started taking a spoonful or two of molasses every day around this time too.

Might I ask how you take it? I feed it to my horses, but I don't know how to eat the white powder.

Thanks!

[Demetrue]

Might I ask how you take it? I feed it to my horses, but I don't know how to eat the white powder.

Thanks!

Do not just eat the white powder! You want to stir it into water or juice first and drink it You want to wet down the dust so it does not fly into your eyes or nose or mouth/lungs as that can be dangerous. You do NOT want to accidentally inhale the powder as it can hurt your lungs.

[jojo]

Question for those who have used DE with success; have you ever taken a silica supplement before trying DE?
when I first joined in 2007 but I wasnt consistant, so dont really know if i was getting good growth. I did grow faster then but maybe this was an optical illusion, as I wasnt that much longer than shoulder back then and growth is more noticable when shorter.

[jojo]

Might I ask how you take it? I feed it to my horses, but I don't know how to eat the white powder.

Thanks!I put 2.5 tablespoons in a glass of ribena, stir and drink down straight away.

[sarahbrownie]

After much reading I've decided to try it. I once tried FAST shampoo because I heard it did indeed help growth, and sure, I my hair did grow a inch instead of 1/2 like normal, it contained chemicals that happen to be cancerous, but french fries at MickeyDs are too...lol. I'll order mine soon after the from Greenscene, that way I don't have to get a 4 lbs bag.

[faeriedust]

What's the difference between sillica and msm? Im taking msm and it did help at first but it seems like it has stopped working for me. So Im going to try DE. DE is sllica right?
Is it better to take DE internally or apply externally on the scalp?

[piratejenny23]

Originally Posted by Savvyhorsez http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?p=872795#post872795)
Might I ask how you take it? I feed it to my horses, but I don't know how to eat the white powder.

Thanks!

I put 2.5 tablespoons in a glass of ribena, stir and drink down straight away.

jojo has had great results, but i would suggest starting out slower (1 tsp per day) and making sure you don't have any adverse reaction (tummy trouble, headaches) before increasing. i stir somewhere between 1-2 teaspoons into a small glass of water and drink it quickly before it settles (it doesn't dissolve).

some posters asked about whether anyone has seen results taking silica supplements, and i've been thinking about that...the quandary with supplements is, there could be many reasons you don't see results when you take them:

1--you don't need that particular nutrient. you've read that it's good for you, so you try it, but you're already getting enough in your diet.

2--the brand you are taking is of inferior quality/not bioavailable.

3--your body needs it so badly that it is using it for "invisible" parts of your body (hair is pretty low on the survival list). for example, your body could be using the added nutrients to strengthen bones/teeth/tendons/organs, reverse free radical damage, shrink tumors, increase energy, get your liver/brain/digestive system working better, fight infections, etc, and the benefits for your skin/nails/hair aren't going to show up until more critical areas get what they need.

i've worked at a few health food stores and i always felt it was a scummy sales tactic to tell people that they needed to take a supplement for 3 months before giving up on it...but sometimes it's really true! i just wish there was a skin patch test (like you can do with iodine) to determine which supplements you need and which ones are actually working!

[piratejenny23]

What's the difference between sillica and msm? Im taking msm and it did help at first but it seems like it has stopped working for me. So Im going to try DE. DE is sllica right?
Is it better to take DE internally or apply externally on the scalp?

MSM is sulfur; silica is a completely different nutrient.

DE is not absorbed through the scalp or skin--it can be applied topically (externally) to get rid of fleas but it would not help hair or fur grow that way! so...take internally :p

[jojo]

some more interesting info for you all http://www.freshwaterorganics.com/human.html

Also ukers its available on ebay, Ive just ordered 6kg for £30 which will last me ages, did order from another company but they have ran out!

Incidently yesterday, i thought was my day off work and the rota had been changed without my knowing, so i was in a rush and didnt have time to take my DE. This morning my wheeze was back with a vengance and I have been coughing, therefore for me this concludes DE is having a positive effect on my respiritory system.

[jel]

LOL, I just placed my order for DE, and got a confirmation email from the online pet store:



Thank you for your order.
You have ordered the following items:

Order Items
--------------------------------------------------------------
Item: Worming powder 100g diatom.
Qty: 1
Cost: £4.88


Well, I might have to share it with the cats! :D

[Savvyhorsez]

Do not just eat the white powder! You want to stir it into water or juice first and drink it You want to wet down the dust so it does not fly into your eyes or nose or mouth/lungs as that can be dangerous. You do NOT want to accidentally inhale the powder as it can hurt your lungs.

Oh I know this, I just wondered what people mixed it with. Thanks.

[Savvyhorsez]

Originally Posted by Savvyhorsez http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?p=872795#post872795)
Might I ask how you take it? I feed it to my horses, but I don't know how to eat the white powder.

Thanks!


jojo has had great results, but i would suggest starting out slower (1 tsp per day) and making sure you don't have any adverse reaction (tummy trouble, headaches) before increasing. i stir somewhere between 1-2 teaspoons into a small glass of water and drink it quickly before it settles (it doesn't dissolve).

some posters asked about whether anyone has seen results taking silica supplements, and i've been thinking about that...the quandary with supplements is, there could be many reasons you don't see results when you take them:

1--you don't need that particular nutrient. you've read that it's good for you, so you try it, but you're already getting enough in your diet.

2--the brand you are taking is of inferior quality/not bioavailable.

3--your body needs it so badly that it is using it for "invisible" parts of your body (hair is pretty low on the survival list). for example, your body could be using the added nutrients to strengthen bones/teeth/tendons/organs, reverse free radical damage, shrink tumors, increase energy, get your liver/brain/digestive system working better, fight infections, etc, and the benefits for your skin/nails/hair aren't going to show up until more critical areas get what they need.

i've worked at a few health food stores and i always felt it was a scummy sales tactic to tell people that they needed to take a supplement for 3 months before giving up on it...but sometimes it's really true! i just wish there was a skin patch test (like you can do with iodine) to determine which supplements you need and which ones are actually working!

Thank you, and anyone else who told what they did to take it!:)

[Heidi_234]

piratejenny, if you don't mind me asking - How's your growth rate now? Do you have steady higher than usual growth rate or do you get mad sprouts of growth (like in the thread title :wink:)?

[mwedzi]

I have diatomaceous earth in my closet from my houseplant hobby days. On the microcopic level, it has sharp edges. So you put it in soil and any soil bugs have their bodies cut up. I think it recommends that you wear a mask when using it as it can have negative effects on your lungs. I didn't know it was safe to ingest!

[Heidi_234]

I have diatomaceous earth in my closet from my houseplant hobby days. On the microcopic level, it has sharp edges. So you put it in soil and any soil bugs have their bodies cut up. I think it recommends that you wear a mask when using it as it can have negative effects on your lungs. I didn't know it was safe to ingest!
There's food grade kind of DE, which is probably sifted to a soft powder. I'm sure your DE is not for human consumption!

[piratejenny23]

well, it almost seems like i used up my quota of growing for a while. my hair grew 1-1/2" in October, but then seemed to hardly grow at all for 2 or 3 weeks, and overall it's only grown about 3/4" in the 5 or 6 weeks since the end of my growth spurt!

but who knows how my hair usually grows...i wrote before that it grew 1/2" per month, but that was only estimating/averaging how much it had grown after 4 to 8 months; it could have grown 1/4" one month and 1" another.

but since adding DE and MSM, my hair is shedding much less, and over time that could mean longer hair too!

[Rapunzal2Be]

There's food grade kind of DE, which is probably sifted to a soft powder. I'm sure your DE is not for human consumption!

Actually, food grade DE (http://amzn.to/crxcxL) is the one used for worming pets and getting rid of pests (roaches, fleas) and also gardening use. What it does to small insects and what it does to people are two different things. The soft powder you see is actually filled with the tiny sharp edges to insects/pests/etc..

[jojo]

Be SURE the one you use for yourself is food grade. . .that's super important!
it is food grade if its for animals, the other kind is for pools!

[grldollies]

I have diatomaceous earth in my closet from my houseplant hobby days. On the microcopic level, it has sharp edges. So you put it in soil and any soil bugs have their bodies cut up. I think it recommends that you wear a mask when using it as it can have negative effects on your lungs. I didn't know it was safe to ingest!


Oh Dear Do NOT Use That! :blueeek::blueeek: Not food Grade!
Save it for your plants - make them happy!

People have been ordering on line from Wolfcreek, Amazon, eBay ect. Read back posts. One brand that stores sell is Perma-Guard. You can do a perma-guard DE search & come up with a few store choices.
Look to see if the site is ORMI listed, that might indicate if they are health/organic minded company.

Good Luck! -Gay : ) Qapla' :puppykisses: MinPin Lover!


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I ordered from Earthworks & bought a 2.5 gal jug for $11.50+ $12.13 shipping $23.63 and I got a Fedex notice it should arive Wednesday. Yea!
Diatomaceous Earth-Food Grade-Wholesale Pricing
Perma-Guard FOOD GRADE DIATOMACEOUS EARTH
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Please click on the "Human Use" menu item under the Product Information menu and also view the many other things Diatomaceous Earth can be used for and you will soon see why we feel every house in the world should have a container of Perma-Guard Diatomaceous Earth within easy reach of all.
When you click on the Product Information menu item above you will find more information about Perma-Guard Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth and it's many different uses.
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[piratejenny23]

Oh Dear Do NOT Use That! :blueeek::blueeek: Not food Grade!
Save it for your plants - make them happy!

:justy: yes it IS food grade!!! ALL DE is food grade, unless it is in a pool filter, which would not be easy ingest accidentally.

i don't mean to sound belligerent but this has been explained umpteen times in this thread. even the company you ordered from says the pest control stuff is food grade:



-Diatomaceous Earth for Pets and Animals (http://www.earthworkshealth.com/pets-animals.php)-Food Grade
-Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth Organic Pest Control (http://www.earthworkshealth.com/organic-pest-control.php)
-Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth for Human Use (http://www.earthworkshealth.com/human-use.php)
mwedzi, you may not want to eat something that's been open and in your closet for years, and there may be brands that claim to be "organic" and more pure than others...but (assuming you want to try DE) you could just get a fresh bag from wherever you got the first one, if you feel it might be iffy or contaminated.

[grldollies]

:justy: yes it IS food grade!!! ALL DE is food grade, unless it is in a pool filter, which would not be easy ingest accidentally.

i don't mean to sound belligerent but this has been explained umpteen times in this thread. even the company you ordered from says the pest control stuff is food grade:

mwedzi, you may not want to eat something that's been open and in your closet for years, and there may be brands that claim to be "organic" and more pure than others...but (assuming you want to try DE) you could just get a fresh bag from wherever you got the first one, if you feel it might be iffy or contaminated.


FDA Approval
Diatomaceous earth is generally regarded as safe (GRAS) by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (http://www.ehow.com/facts_5644674_human-nutritional-benefits-diatomaceous-earth.html#) (FDA)--but only as a filter aid in food production. The "food grade" label on some types of diatomaceous earth refers to this use.
Sorry about the "food Grade Scare" :doh: Duh!

I was concerned about old product if it was manufactured properly, and how old was it? Some of us old farts have "stuff" around for decades! Specialy if you still live in the same place since 83'.
New is always better - no contaminates leaked in!
DE is used a lot for food/beverage manufaturing/filtering.

FDA approval on DE I believe was approved under the GRAS Approval grouping. FDA Code - 62 FR 19885, April 23, 1997.
- Just try'n to help! :) - Gay : ) Qapla'



Here is a later FDA Approval Letter to use DE:

FDA/CFSAN: Agency Response Letter: GRAS Notice No. GRN 000093 (http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/%7Erdb/opa-g093.html) Jun 5, 2002 ... April 17, 1997; Substances Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS); the GRAS proposal). ... The extract is then filtered with diatomaceous earth and passed through a ... that meet the appropriate food grade specifications are GRAS, ... technical evidence of safety and review and approval by FDA. ...
vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~rdb/opa-g093.html

http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~rdb/opa-g093.html

[Gvnagitlvgei]

Well, I received mine today and I'm excited - not just about the hair, but to detox. I purchased from Perma-Guard (why they shipped from UT when I'm in PA and dealers are in this state, I'll never know) and it was 28.00 for 4 lbs. Will start using tomorrow. My hair is stick at just before waistlength now....disregard my photo...it's not updated.

[Gvnagitlvgei]

I have diatomaceous earth in my closet from my houseplant hobby days. On the microcopic level, it has sharp edges. So you put it in soil and any soil bugs have their bodies cut up. I think it recommends that you wear a mask when using it as it can have negative effects on your lungs. I didn't know it was safe to ingest!


Hey, I know you!!!!!! How'ya

[MakeLoveNotWar]

So has anyone had an recent results to talk about? I know my hair is growing, but I feel like I'm stuck at this length where no matter how long it is, it never looks any longer...if that made any sense.

[Elenna]

I ordered some food grade diatomaceous earth from Amazon and waiting for it to arrive.

But I am taking more silica. Results so far, nails are now very hard and growing very fast. Results for hair are harder to tell. Possibly, a monthly or bi-monthly measure would show any out of the ordinary growth.

[Anne of Scots]

Hello, I am new and hope I do not offend but I would like to make a few comments. I use MTG on our horses to regrow hair in 2 days. It works every time. I have never used it on myself but have been wanting to so I am happy to know that someone else has used it without side effects. Yea! The MSM is awsome. I use it and have grown over 56" in 4 years. I cut 2-3" off at each trim every 3 months. Prenatal vitamins work the best. I use Burried treasure. And the last thing I do is to cut my hair on the 2nd night of the new (completely dark and round) moon when it is directly overhead. It will usually grow back most of the length I just cut off in a week. DE is available at feed stores and is usually food grade but they won't tell you that because they want you to pay more for human grade. We use it for us and our animals.

[piratejenny23]

Hello, I am new and hope I do not offend but I would like to make a few comments. I use MTG on our horses to regrow hair in 2 days. It works every time. I have never used it on myself but have been wanting to so I am happy to know that someone else has used it without side effects. Yea! The MSM is awsome. I use it and have grown over 56" in 4 years. I cut 2-3" off at each trim every 3 months. Prenatal vitamins work the best. I use Burried treasure. And the last thing I do is to cut my hair on the 2nd night of the new (completely dark and round) moon when it is directly overhead. It will usually grow back most of the length I just cut off in a week. DE is available at feed stores and is usually food grade but they won't tell you that because they want you to pay more for human grade. We use it for us and our animals.

welcome, anne of scots! thanks for your input..that's some amazing growth, both for yourself and the horses! :)

[jojo]

Hello, I am new and hope I do not offend but I would like to make a few comments. I use MTG on our horses to regrow hair in 2 days. It works every time. I have never used it on myself but have been wanting to so I am happy to know that someone else has used it without side effects. Yea! The MSM is awsome. I use it and have grown over 56" in 4 years. I cut 2-3" off at each trim every 3 months. Prenatal vitamins work the best. I use Burried treasure. And the last thing I do is to cut my hair on the 2nd night of the new (completely dark and round) moon when it is directly overhead. It will usually grow back most of the length I just cut off in a week. DE is available at feed stores and is usually food grade but they won't tell you that because they want you to pay more for human grade. We use it for us and our animals.
No way thats impossible, im taking that to be a typo:D but id bath in the stuff if that was the case, welcome!

[jojo]

Ok I ordered my second lot of DE can you guys tell me the colour of yours.

My first one was white like chalk, this one is more a light brown soiley looking substance, both food degradable but why the difference in colour.

anybody know the reason why? TIA

[grldollies]

Ok I ordered my second lot of DE can you guys tell me the colour of yours.

My first one was white like chalk, this one is more a light brown soiley looking substance, both food degradable but why the difference in colour.

anybody know the reason why? TIA

Mine arrived last week and it is off white in Color. :)
Perma Gaurd From Earthworks

I bought a 2.5 gal jug for $11.50+ $12.13 shipping $23.63
Diatomaceous Earth-Food Grade-Wholesale Pricing
Perma-Guard FOOD GRADE DIATOMACEOUS EARTH
(http://www.earthworkshealth.com/human-use.php (http://www.earthworkshealth.com/human-use.php)

[jel]

Ok I ordered my second lot of DE can you guys tell me the colour of yours.

My first one was white like chalk, this one is more a light brown soiley looking substance, both food degradable but why the difference in colour.


Mine is chalky, faintly greyish white. No idea why there would be a difference - maybe because of purity?

[Syaoransbear]

Mine is an egg-shell white color, however when left in water for a day some parts become light brown.

[grldollies]

Ok I ordered my second lot of DE can you guys tell me the colour of yours.

My first one was white like chalk, this one is more a light brown soiley looking substance, both food degradable but why the difference in colour.

anybody know the reason why? TIA


Quote from Wolf Creek Ranch.

Our Diatomaceous Earth is Codex Food Chemical Grade. It is a non-treated, non-milled, non-calcined fresh water form of diatomaceous earth and is pure white in color. There are food grade diatomaceous earth products that are yellow or tan in color which indicates a higher iron content. Those which are gray in color contain more clay.
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[jojo]

AH more iron content, makes sense thanks for the replies x

[piratejenny23]

So has anyone had an recent results to talk about? I know my hair is growing, but I feel like I'm stuck at this length where no matter how long it is, it never looks any longer...if that made any sense.

i recently had a growth spurt of a little over 1/4" in 5 days. it seemed my hair doesn't grow for a week or 2, then it does, then it doesn't...

i read something encouraging recently, that some people have noticed that their underlayer grows faster than their canopy, then the underlayer stops growing/slows down for a while and the canopy speeds up. since the longest section i measure happens to be part of my underlayer, when it doesn't seem to be growing i just imagine that other areas of my head are catching up!

[Elenna]

Jojo, the Perma-Guard DE Fossil Shell Flour from AG Organics looks like flour and goes light tan with added water.

Piratejenny23, you are right about the underlayers growing faster because most of my new salt 'n pepper hair growth is hiding under the canopy. The top layer is taking forever to grow out the old dye.

Now I'll be able to see how Diatomaceous Earth works for me. Hope that it'll help with bad heart burn, teeth and gum problems, etc.

[jojo]

Thanks Elenna

Tell you what, I have a ton of baby hairs really spirally corse ones too sprouting around my crown area and they are mainly grey. What do you think this is because the MTG or the DE?

Its a case of which came first!

[In2JC724]

I'm very interested in trying this out.. I take MSM already and have good results with it. I just called my local Grange Co-Op and they have a 4lb bag of organic DE for $9.99! I think I'm going to have to take a little trip. :D I'll post again with updates.

Oh yea, I take 5MG of Biotin every day too, since I started taking MSM I had 3/4 of an inch of growth in 4 weeks. And since adding Biotin, it's grown 3/4 an inch in 2 weeks.. lol So we'll see what happens with the DE added in to the mix.. I agree with whoever it was that said the health benefits would be enough, regardless of how much it helps hair growth! lol Sorry, I don't remember the name..

[Elenna]

.... I have a ton of baby hairs really spirally corse ones too sprouting around my crown area and they are mainly grey. What do you think this is because the MTG or the DE? Its a case of which came first!

I had a picture of your wiry, spirally, gray baby hairs against your smooth golden hairs. :-D

Yeah, that can be a mystery. For moi, it'll be easy to find out since the newer item is the DE.

Although lately, trying to eat more of a variety of whole grains like millet, quinoa, rice, wheat, rye, etc. I remember eating hot Roman Meal or hot oatmeal for breakfast every morning and my hair grew like weeds. Kashi has cold and hot cereals; plus their dinner packets. I sometimes mix wild rice with brown rice as a side dish.

[piratejenny23]

i recently read on an ayurvedic site that for one's hair to be healthy/grow quickly, one must eat bajra (millet) every day!

[CuddlyChicken]

I ordered some from Holistic Pet Supplies about 2 weeks ago but still haven't got it. Wrote them an e-mail on Monday but no reply yet. Makes me quite angry to be hones :mad:

[Rapunzal2Be]

Well, I'm feeling pretty discouraged lately. I've had very little growth in the past three months, and looking at pictures from last year to this year just seems so disheartening.

I take a multi, fish oils, biotin, gelatin, MSM, and saw palmetto, and sometimes garlic (when I can stand it, otherwise I eat it almost daily). I take DE twice per day almost every day. I use coconut oil for cooking almost every day. I eat millet in my hot cereal almost every day. I eat lots of pumpkin, sweet potato, cucumbers, spinach and broccoli. I drink green tea. I get lots of good sleep every night. I eat on average around 1500 calories per day. (I'm 5'0" and weigh 118 with a goal of 105).

Overall I'd say I'm a pretty healthy person. I do drink one cup of coffee per day, I don't drink enough water (though I am trying) and I was pretty sedentary until last week when I joined the gym, but I'm hoping to make exercise a new habit.

I have used MN and MegaTek religiously (for about five months) and saw only "normal/average" growth. I've tried the sulfur oil treatments and only ended up losing scary amounts of hair during the application and the shampoo the next day.

I use henndigo and my hair is gorgeous, shiny, a bit thicker, and no split ends. I use KMF Whenever shampoo about three times per week and NG Herbal conditioner or VO5 on the other days, using only cool water. I brush my scalp daily, which I think is a good thing for me. I don't heat style and I don't use product other than aloe gel every once in a while.

No matter what I do or try, I still seem to shed a lot and my hair seems to grow very slowly. (I don't measure obsessively because it would be too depressing.) I've been really excited when starting something new because it seems to work really well in the beginning, but then after a while it is back to the normal shedding and slow growth.

I see you guys having fantastic, amazing results with the DE and sulfur and wonder - why not me? I don't even feel a difference health-wise with the DE and I've been taking it for two weeks now.

Sorry for the off-topic vent here, but I am just having a bad morning. I really wish that I could figure out what I'm possibly doing wrong or why things aren't working better for me.

[piratejenny23]

Rapunzal--

it really sounds like you're eating well and taking good supplements. i'm sorry you feel so frustrated! :(

ETA: i looked at your album and the hair growth you have had in the last year is similar to what i experienced growing out chin-length hair. i understand your disappointment, but i think you've made huge progress in a year! (end edit)

do you take probiotics (acidophillus etc) and/or digestive enzymes? sometimes our bodies don't absorb nutrients well; the probiotics and enzymes will help with that.

and--i don't want to make you go crazy spending lots of money, but--iodine is a nutrient many of us are deficient in, that is good for scalp health. i had no luck with kelp tablets, but i take a liquid iodine supplement, either liqui-kelp, atomidine, or iosol.

the other thing that occurred to me, reading your post, was pH balance. i don't mean of your scalp, i mean of your diet. are you familiar with this concept, the alkaline-acid diet? for a long time i felt like my body just didn't use any of the good things i put into it--like it just neutralized them somehow. i don't always eat a lot of alkaline food, but i take alkaline drops, baking soda or lemon water, when i feel i need a boost.

or...maybe you could take a break from some or all of your hair growth stuff? you said some of what you tried worked well in the beginning, then stopped. this might have no scientific value whatsoever, but i feel like if i give my body a chance to miss something, it appreciates it more when it gets it back! so sometimes i skip a few days of my vitamins, or skip a few weeks of scalp treatments, and then they seem to work better when i re-introduce them.

here's some info about iodine, "taking a break" from supplements, and other hair growth remedies--this was the site i was addicted to before joining LHC :p

http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/hair_loss.html

[Rapunzal2Be]

Rapunzal--

it really sounds like you're eating well and taking good supplements. i'm sorry you feel so frustrated! :(

ETA: i looked at your album and the hair growth you have had in the last year is similar to what i experienced growing out chin-length hair. i understand your disappointment, but i think you've made huge progress in a year! (end edit)

do you take probiotics (acidophillus etc) and/or digestive enzymes? sometimes our bodies don't absorb nutrients well; the probiotics and enzymes will help with that.

and--i don't want to make you go crazy spending lots of money, but--iodine is a nutrient many of us are deficient in, that is good for scalp health. i had no luck with kelp tablets, but i take a liquid iodine supplement, either liqui-kelp, atomidine, or iosol.

the other thing that occurred to me, reading your post, was pH balance. i don't mean of your scalp, i mean of your diet. are you familiar with this concept, the alkaline-acid diet? for a long time i felt like my body just didn't use any of the good things i put into it--like it just neutralized them somehow. i don't always eat a lot of alkaline food, but i take alkaline drops, baking soda or lemon water, when i feel i need a boost.

or...maybe you could take a break from some or all of your hair growth stuff? you said some of what you tried worked well in the beginning, then stopped. this might have no scientific value whatsoever, but i feel like if i give my body a chance to miss something, it appreciates it more when it gets it back! so sometimes i skip a few days of my vitamins, or skip a few weeks of scalp treatments, and then they seem to work better when i re-introduce them.

here's some info about iodine, "taking a break" from supplements, and other hair growth remedies--this was the site i was addicted to before joining LHC :p

http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/hair_loss.html

Thanks for the reply!

I've got acidophilus on hand but do not take it. I could add them in, though, easily. I checked my multi and it's got 100% of the RDA of iodine in it - do you think I'd need more than that?

I read up on the ph balance - very interesting! I do drink lemon water (it's the only way I do drink water), and I actually eat a pretty good balance of acid/alkaline foods. But it's something to keep in mind.

I think you may be right, maybe I just need to take a break from some things and come back to them later.

Eh, I'm also going through a lot of stress right now -separating from my husband, moving from Germany back to the US, getting used to living with family instead of in my own home. It's a lot to go through. I'm just having a rough time with it all I guess.

Thank you so much for responding, I really, really appreciate it. :D

[piratejenny23]

oh, that is a lot to go through! and not just moving to the states, but moving to NEW JERSEY! :justy: heh heh, just kidding, i'm here too!

taking more iodine won't hurt. you can also "paint" it on your skin, and you won't absorb more than you need. people in japan, on average, eat 50 times more iodine than people in the US... ( http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html) ...and when i think of japanese women, i do tend to think of gorgeous long hair!

[grldollies]

Thanks for the reply!

I've got acidophilus on hand but do not take it. I could add them in, though, easily. I checked my multi and it's got 100&#37; of the RDA of iodine in it - do you think I'd need more than that?

I read up on the ph balance - very interesting! I do drink lemon water (it's the only way I do drink water), and I actually eat a pretty good balance of acid/alkaline foods. But it's something to keep in mind.

I think you may be right, maybe I just need to take a break from some things and come back to them later.

Eh, I'm also going through a lot of stress right now -separating from my husband, moving from Germany back to the US, getting used to living with family instead of in my own home. It's a lot to go through. I'm just having a rough time with it all I guess.

Thank you so much for responding, I really, really appreciate it. :D

Hey Rapunzal2Be,
So sorry to here your having a bad time. I went through a rough spot here recently too & had to cut about 3" off! Eeek! I had a lot of shedding going on also. It has now gotten better me and I am sure it will for you too once you are past it and going forward. Right now just say to yourself Its getting better and I am better. YOU are important you count! Positive thinking can also go a long way besides nutrition. They say if you smile & laugh it will make you happier and feel better. Sometimes that’s all we can do when everything else stands still.
I agree with piratejenny23, Take a “rest” every little bit and then come back. I sometimes do no vitamins & supplements on the weekends and that seems to work better for me. "probiotics (acidophilus etc) and/or digestive enzymes? " is a good thing to add. I usually eat yoplus yogurt myself. Love the Blackberry Pomegranate one! There are several better for your digestive system yogurts on the market now. I would also suggest eating fresh Pineapples, Blackberries, Cherries and Clementine’s / sm Oranges - dark and/or higher acid fruits. It helps your digestive system and its good nutrition. Sit down and eat a bunch, don’t feel guilty – you don’t need to share. I in the past would not buy those fruits because they are more expensive and the mother in me would say you can go without, your family needs other things. But since I started being “selfish” (ok that’s how I perceive it, it’s a guilt thing for some reason) eating better fruits I have physically felt so much better. Yes I will eat the whole pint of berries! It is hard to get the same nutritional values out of supplements. Try more fruits that may help you as it did me, if nothing else their yummy! I also try to eat celery every day and a few carrots every couple of days.
I read the Ted from Bangkok info which was quite interesting. The bromine and iodine part made sense, all the processed bakery items we eat here in the US is a problem. I know many women are using Monistat to keep the bad parasites / fungus / DHT away. I take 80mg of saw palmetto (hard to find in a sm dosages) a couple times a week too. I’ve read several places that for women it can help with the DHT issue. But it is not advised to take large amounts – same problem with too much soy items.

A good book (my bible) I recommend is by Phyllis A. Balch, CNC. - Prescription for Nutritional Healing: The A-to-Z Guide to Supplements. It is my fav over all my health/nutritional books I have. They have it at Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Prescription-Nutritional-Healing-Z-supplements/dp/1583333169/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b (http://www.amazon.com/Prescription-Nutritional-Healing-Z-supplements/dp/1583333169/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b)

http://www.amazon.com/Prescription-Nutritional-Healing-Phyllis-Balch/dp/1583332367/ref=pd_sim_b_1 (http://www.amazon.com/Prescription-Nutritional-Healing-Phyllis-Balch/dp/1583332367/ref=pd_sim_b_1)

You hang in there R girl it will get better. :puppykisses: - Gay Qapla'

[CrisDee]

This thread has got to be one of the most informative, life changing (for me) references i've ever read! Somehow it's managing to address health issues I've had for over 40 years! Reading up on acid/alkaline diet balance, I realize this has probably been one of my biggest problems for decades.

And back to the DE topic :) I bought some a couple weeks ago and have been taking a tbsp every day. I bought it almost more for the side benefits (lower BP, digestive, sleep, etc) than for the hair, figured if I get better hair out of it, so much the better. I'm definitely seeing improved digestion (regularity is a big problem with my irregular job schedule), and if my roots are any indication, I think I'm also seeing some improved growth speed! :cheese: Someone had posted a while back that to judge the effectiveness of any supplement, you should be on it for at least 3 months - it'll be interesting to see my progress by the end of February :)

And it's great to see some fellow Jersey Girls on the board ;)

[Airisuu]

Lurking through this thread was actually one of the contributing factors to making me (finally) officially join.

I never really got further than the first several pages before my mind would shut down at the idea of eating "fancy dirt," but I've just gone through all 30 pages and after about a month of independent research, I'm convinced. I repent of my closed-mindedness and am off to amazon to order up a bag and try it for myself!

Thank you everyone for all of the wonderful and helpful information you've posted, and especially thank you to every one of you who have played guinea pig!

[Elenna]

I'm growing out hair that was damaged by chemical dyes, blow drying, etc. That hair was fragile, brittle and uncooperative, so I had to heat it into submission.

With better nutrition and hair care, I'm looking for two types of results: better quality hair (thicker and more resilient strands) and faster growth. Maybe hair is like tree rings, the thicker rings are indicative of more rainfall and nutrients, while the thinner rings are years of scarcer rainfall.

But as everyone here, I'm always looking for better ways to grow and treat hair. Even eating "fancy dirt" for better hair!!!!

[butterflycayton]

Ordered some DE and MSM yesterday not only for hair but for general overall health. So much information on this site, just don't have the time to read it all. The DE sounds like really great stuff.

[sarahbrownie]

I have a quick question. Has any of you seen any shedding or the like when they stopped taking DE? I've heard things about when people stop taking biotin they shed and I was wondering if it's happens with DE.

Does any of you seen it at Whole Foods?

[jojo]

I forgot to take DE one day and suffered with constipation and my wheeze came back.

My hair is also a lot softer, growth a little faster, my asthma much improved, I no longer get stomach spasms due to IBS, I sleep better, feel more possitive too about life in general.

And mixed with coconut oil and water it makes a brilliant face pack too :) really try it!

[sarahbrownie]

I just bought a jar of Perma-Guard DE. I'm a little concerned though, it sounds a little too good to be true, yet it isn't like this big infomercial late night. I really hadn't heard about DE before this, and it seems really well known with gardeners and farmers for this type of thing. Anyway, humans are extraordinary healers even so. I do admit I'm a bit excited. In four years my hair has never been BSL just because I never realized that I had a lot of breakage from straight irons.

[piratejenny23]

Lurking through this thread was actually one of the contributing factors to making me (finally) officially join.

I never really got further than the first several pages before my mind would shut down at the idea of eating "fancy dirt," but I've just gone through all 30 pages and after about a month of independent research, I'm convinced. I repent of my closed-mindedness and am off to amazon to order up a bag and try it for myself!

Thank you everyone for all of the wonderful and helpful information you've posted, and especially thank you to every one of you who have played guinea pig!

welcome to TLHC, and i'm glad you found this thread so fascinating! i hope you get good results from the DE ! i started to write you a message on your profile, but you wouldn't be able to see it until you get 25 posts :)

[jojo]

quick question how many mg of MSM do you all take daily?

I just ordered some 1 g (1000mg) ones oooooooohhhhhh piratejenny you are a naughty enabler!

[piratejenny23]

jojo, i take 1,000mg ones too :)

eta (one per day)

[meremor]

I joined the LHC after reading these posts...I also ordered myself some DE! I've been taking it for about a week now, and I have gotten some noticeable growth in that short amount of time. I haven't re-measured (it's kind of like weighing every day when you're trying to lose weight - it will just make you crazy!) But even my mom has noticed that my hair has gotten longer in the past week, and I didn't tell her that I was taking DE or doing anything different at all.

I usually mix up a heaping teaspoon in a glass of juice and drink it quickly - it's not bad, just a little gritty. I've noticed that it starts making me sleepy almost immediately, how strange! I hope it keeps making my hair grow...and believe me, I was a skeptic too, but I've had a good experience, and you can certainly find it cheap enough, so I think it's worth a try!

[jojo]

Welcome meremor,
Yes its pretty good stuff isnt it? It makes me feel more awake, I got extra growth pretty quick too and health wise its done me so good. Can you believe no cough or wheeze!

@ piratejenny the great! thanks yes I will take the one pill when they come :) and they do the same as iron pills when you go to the toilet ;) so the colour is definatelly down to more iron content! You know I would give you such a big bear hug if I ever got to meet you, you have changed my life with DE. Never felt healthier, feel like Grandpa Joe out of charlie and the chocolate factory when he realises he can walk! LOL!!

[Rapunzal2Be]

I forgot to take DE one day and suffered with constipation and my wheeze came back.

My hair is also a lot softer, growth a little faster, my asthma much improved, I no longer get stomach spasms due to IBS, I sleep better, feel more possitive too about life in general.

And mixed with coconut oil and water it makes a brilliant face pack too :) really try it!

I've always wondered about this, when people say they started taking a supplement (whichever it may be) and their looked or felt softer, shinier, etc. - if hair is dead, then the only thing a supplement could affect is the new growth, right? So how do things like eating better or getting more protein or taking DE or any other supplement make people's hair LOOK better almost immediately?

(I am NOT questioning YOU, jojo, or singling anyone out - it is a genuine curiousity of mine. Hopefully someone can shed light on it for me. Hope it's not a dumb questions.)

[Rapunzal2Be]

oh, that is a lot to go through! and not just moving to the states, but moving to NEW JERSEY! :justy: heh heh, just kidding, i'm here too!

taking more iodine won't hurt. you can also "paint" it on your skin, and you won't absorb more than you need. people in japan, on average, eat 50 times more iodine than people in the US... ( http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller20.html) ...and when i think of japanese women, i do tend to think of gorgeous long hair!


Hey Rapunzal2Be,
So sorry to here your having a bad time. I went through a rough spot here recently too & had to cut about 3" off! Eeek! I had a lot of shedding going on also. It has now gotten better me and I am sure it will for you too once you are past it and going forward. Right now just say to yourself Its getting better and I am better. YOU are important you count! Positive thinking can also go a long way besides nutrition. They say if you smile & laugh it will make you happier and feel better. Sometimes that’s all we can do when everything else stands still.
I agree with piratejenny23, Take a “rest” every little bit and then come back. I sometimes do no vitamins & supplements on the weekends and that seems to work better for me. "probiotics (acidophilus etc) and/or digestive enzymes? " is a good thing to add. I usually eat yoplus yogurt myself. Love the Blackberry Pomegranate one! There are several better for your digestive system yogurts on the market now. I would also suggest eating fresh Pineapples, Blackberries, Cherries and Clementine’s / sm Oranges - dark and/or higher acid fruits. It helps your digestive system and its good nutrition. Sit down and eat a bunch, don’t feel guilty – you don’t need to share. I in the past would not buy those fruits because they are more expensive and the mother in me would say you can go without, your family needs other things. But since I started being “selfish” (ok that’s how I perceive it, it’s a guilt thing for some reason) eating better fruits I have physically felt so much better. Yes I will eat the whole pint of berries! It is hard to get the same nutritional values out of supplements. Try more fruits that may help you as it did me, if nothing else their yummy! I also try to eat celery every day and a few carrots every couple of days.
I read the Ted from Bangkok info which was quite interesting. The bromine and iodine part made sense, all the processed bakery items we eat here in the US is a problem. I know many women are using Monistat to keep the bad parasites / fungus / DHT away. I take 80mg of saw palmetto (hard to find in a sm dosages) a couple times a week too. I’ve read several places that for women it can help with the DHT issue. But it is not advised to take large amounts – same problem with too much soy items.

A good book (my bible) I recommend is by Phyllis A. Balch, CNC. - Prescription for Nutritional Healing: The A-to-Z Guide to Supplements. It is my fav over all my health/nutritional books I have. They have it at Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Prescription-Nutritional-Healing-Z-supplements/dp/1583333169/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b (http://www.amazon.com/Prescription-Nutritional-Healing-Z-supplements/dp/1583333169/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b)

http://www.amazon.com/Prescription-Nutritional-Healing-Phyllis-Balch/dp/1583332367/ref=pd_sim_b_1 (http://www.amazon.com/Prescription-Nutritional-Healing-Phyllis-Balch/dp/1583332367/ref=pd_sim_b_1)

You hang in there R girl it will get better. :puppykisses: - Gay Qapla'



This thread has got to be one of the most informative, life changing (for me) references i've ever read! Somehow it's managing to address health issues I've had for over 40 years! Reading up on acid/alkaline diet balance, I realize this has probably been one of my biggest problems for decades.

And back to the DE topic :) I bought some a couple weeks ago and have been taking a tbsp every day. I bought it almost more for the side benefits (lower BP, digestive, sleep, etc) than for the hair, figured if I get better hair out of it, so much the better. I'm definitely seeing improved digestion (regularity is a big problem with my irregular job schedule), and if my roots are any indication, I think I'm also seeing some improved growth speed! :cheese: Someone had posted a while back that to judge the effectiveness of any supplement, you should be on it for at least 3 months - it'll be interesting to see my progress by the end of February :)

And it's great to see some fellow Jersey Girls on the board ;)


Great to see some other Jersey Girls, too!! :)

Thanks for the responses - I didn't see them until today.

I took the weekend off from supplements and actually stopped tracking my calories. Went to IHOP for Sunday brunch and boy did I enjoy it! Every single bite!

I also realized that I've only been using the DE for about three weeks now, I think, which is hardly enough time to expect miracles. It does make me more regular and when taking it I end up drinking more water during the day which is a plus. So I've decided not to write it off but to also stop expecting miracles from it.

I had a big talk with my Mom about my hair and she reminded me that I've always been a big shedder, told me that my hair has never looked better than it does now, and that she does not see any thinning.

So, I'm going to go easy on myself, take some time off from supplements every now and then, try to exercise more and obsess over food a bit less, and just enjoy things for a while.

[piratejenny23]

I've always wondered about this, when people say they started taking a supplement (whichever it may be) and their looked or felt softer, shinier, etc. - if hair is dead, then the only thing a supplement could affect is the new growth, right? So how do things like eating better or getting more protein or taking DE or any other supplement make people's hair LOOK better almost immediately?

(I am NOT questioning YOU, jojo, or singling anyone out - it is a genuine curiousity of mine. Hopefully someone can shed light on it for me. Hope it's not a dumb questions.)

i understand your question, and i've wondered the same thing. i don't have the answer, but it's happened to me, too! a couple of months ago, i stopped getting split ends. i've "searched and destroyed" for years, but a couple of weeks later i'd always have split ends again. it could be because i've stopped using shampoo, but i haven't changed my brushing or styling habits, which i think would affect split ends more than shampoo!

and when i gave DE to my cat, 3 days later his fur got really soft! that's not enough time for him to grow all new hair...what happened??? did his spit turn into the world's best conditioner??? :magic:

[piratejenny23]

piratejenny the great! You know I would give you such a big bear hug if I ever got to meet you, you have changed my life with DE. Never felt healthier, feel like Grandpa Joe out of charlie and the chocolate factory when he realises he can walk! LOL!!

that is such a great image!!!
i would love to come to England for my hug!!!

a few weeks ago i think you mentioned getting some family members and pets on DE...any progress/benefits?

[Rapunzal2Be]

i understand your question, and i've wondered the same thing. i don't have the answer, but it's happened to me, too! a couple of months ago, i stopped getting split ends. i've "searched and destroyed" for years, but a couple of weeks later i'd always have split ends again. it could be because i've stopped using shampoo, but i haven't changed my brushing or styling habits, which i think would affect split ends more than shampoo!

and when i gave DE to my cat, 3 days later his fur got really soft! that's not enough time for him to grow all new hair...what happened??? did his spit turn into the world's best conditioner??? :magic:

How'd you give it to your cat? I've tried putting it in my dog's drinking water, but it gets kind of cloudy and he steers clear of it, then it just settles to the bottom. I drink mine down right away in a small glass of water/juice because I couldn't handle the murkiness of my drink when I was trying to sip it throughout the day. So I'm thinking of other ways to give it to him?

[Airisuu]

piratejenny - Thanks! I feel like a kid looking forward to Christmas as I'm watching the mail box waiting for it to arrive. Hair growth/benefits would be wonderful, but I confess to being more excited about the possibility of improved respiratory function and more restful sleep. (...Come to think of it, improved digestion would also be much appreciated!)

In regards to potential hair growth, I intend to take photos in an attempt to chronicle the rate of growth I might happen to achieve. I'm just still trying to work out a way to consistently have my head/chin in the exact same position so as to avoid false positives/negatives, but I'm sure I'll figure something out. I might have to tape out some lines on the floor, hmmm!

[Nyxe]

did his spit turn into the world's best conditioner???


Uh-oh! Don't give us any ideas....

:D

[piratejenny23]

Uh-oh! Don't give us any ideas....

:D

i just remembered...cat sweat cures baldness!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_the_Cat

Rapunzal2Be,
i mixed 1/2 teaspoon of DE into my cat's canned food. i usually give it to him only once a week or so, so he's very enthusiastic & didn't notice the "dirt". i fed him DE 3 days in a row b/c he was getting very thin & i thought he might have had worms.

[Elenna]

Well giving DE to the cats only works with canned or wet kibble not dry kibble.

It is too soon to report any hair growth. I think, it has been a week for me. But there is an interesting result. My skin looks clearer.

[Crysta]

But there is an interesting result. My skin looks clearer.

A winnar is you! i'd do that just for my skin! bonus.

[sarahbrownie]

So I got my DE today. I tried taking it in water and I could hardly drink it. It's not unpleasant but I'm so use to drinking plain water that just a little dust in it makes my gag-reflex not want it. I instead put a tsp in cranberry juice instead. Much better, but I still had a hard time because I know what I put in it. I'm a bit of a picky eater.

[jojo]

I've always wondered about this, when people say they started taking a supplement (whichever it may be) and their looked or felt softer, shinier, etc. - if hair is dead, then the only thing a supplement could affect is the new growth, right? So how do things like eating better or getting more protein or taking DE or any other supplement make people's hair LOOK better almost immediately?

(I am NOT questioning YOU, jojo, or singling anyone out - it is a genuine curiousity of mine. Hopefully someone can shed light on it for me. Hope it's not a dumb questions.)
I know strange isnt it? but on the other side of the coin poorly nutritioned hair will look dull, hows that like you say is dead??

[piratejenny23]

So I got my DE today. I tried taking it in water and I could hardly drink it. It's not unpleasant but I'm so use to drinking plain water that just a little dust in it makes my gag-reflex not want it. I instead put a tsp in cranberry juice instead. Much better, but I still had a hard time because I know what I put in it. I'm a bit of a picky eater.

i started drinking mine with a straw. since it only makes contact with the back of your mouth this way, you can swallow it down quicker and without "feeling" the grit as much. also, you tend to suck up the thicker part first because the straw gets the stuff at the bottom of the glass first. idk, but if you're a picky eater & textures bother you, this might help? i still
prefer to use a bit of juice even with the straw, but it def. helps. plus you can distract yourself by looking elsewhere while you drink instead of into the sludge comin' at ya!

[Merkaba]

Can the people taking DE update us PLEASE?!?!?!?!?! I'm dying to know if this actually works. Thanks!

[sarahbrownie]

2nd day using DE. It's a bit easier now. I mix maybe a little less of a tbsp in cranberry juice and it goes down much better than in plain water. I was sort of afraid after the first day I might not be able to handle it.

[Elenna]

It is too early to tell about DE results, but am noticing clearer skin, better mental clarity, and feeling better overall. My hair is at a solid BSL (23" as of today). I am noticing a ton of silver baby hairs growing in front.

[piratejenny23]

i've noticed lighter hair growing in, too!!!

in september i had a disastrous reaction to hair dye and i thought maybe that was the reason for all my new silver & gold...but elenna is the 2nd or 3rd person at least to mention this phenomenon.

well...i guess, the more hair, the better, regardless of color! but i do wonder what is going on...?

and this is my progress in the last 2 months:

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/album.php?albumid=4486

i never measured my hair until i joined LHC, so i can't really compare the growth, since taking DE, to anything. but it the length gain seems pretty good :)

[Syaoransbear]

I really can't report anything since I've completely fallen off the wagon. I'm naturally constantly dehydrated because I just don't enjoy drinking liquids, and DE is very dehydrating itself, so whenever I took it it would give me massive headaches from dehydration.

Remember to drink extra water, folks!

I'll try to get back on the wagon whenever kitchen renovations are done. We currently have to drink water from the bathroom(ew), so I'm even more dehydrated. Also, the company that sent me my DE accidentally sent me my order again since canada post didn't send them a confirmation note, so I'm now in possession of 4 gigantic bags of DE(since in my original order I accidentally ordered twice the amount I wanted)

[CrisDee]

S-bear, thank you SO much for your post about DE causing dehydration! Don't know if I missed it in previous reading, but I'd never seen that before. And since starting on the DE just before Thanksgiving, the only benefit I've had (and it's been major!) was better regularity. All the rest I'd read about - skin, mood, sleep, etc. - had actually gotten a bit worse! (Too early to tell about hair yet.) And I'm sure the worsening was caused by dehydration - I spend my life on airplanes, which is dehydrating in and of itself, I drink more coffee and red wine than I should, more dehydrators. Definitely gonna drink more water than I've been, will report if I notice a difference. Thanks again!

[Rapunzal2Be]

UPDATE::

I've had .5" growth in 25 days!! (For me, this is very significan, as I've had in 25 days the same growth I had in the previous 75 days!)

I started taking DE on Nov 19 and measured my hair on Nov. 24th (19.25~19.5").

Between my last measure on Sept 9 and Nov 24 my hair grew a maximum of .5" (possibly less, because I went from my exDH to my mother being my measurer). So that is a maximum of .5" in two and a half months. (This time was stressful for me, going through a separation, and I stopped using both MN and MegaTek during this period.)

Since Nov 19 I have taken 1 tbl of DE daily in the am with a small glass of water/juice. I have also done sulfur oil overnight treatments twice since then, and one overnight MegaTek treatment during this time.

Otherwise, I've made no significant changes in my routine. I've actually been more sporadic with my supplement use and have used Nioxin shampoo only twice since Nov 14th instead using Kiss My Face Whenever (previously Nioxin was my every other day or so shampoo).

I measured today (my mother did it again and is pretty consistent I think) and it was 20". So in 25 days I have grown at least .5", possibly .75" inches.

I am just about to APL and couldn't be happier!!!

[piratejenny23]

:disco::disco::disco:

wooo hooooooooooo for Rapunzal!!!

[butterflycayton]

Great growth Rapunzel2Be! :) Taken mine 2 days now. Will keep a close eye on my growth. I usually get about .5 inches a month.

[melrose1985]

Okay so i have been reading and lurking this thread for a while. I have read all the pages over time and i must say that it's so hard to not want to try.

My skin stinks
My hair seems to grow kind of slow
being regular would be nice
better sleep would be great as well...

So with everyone comment on this i think i'm going to give it a whorl. Mostly because my mom suffers from IBS, lack of sleep (due to knee problems) and come depression. I would love to try this out and be able to pass it on to her!

Now i see that everyone seems to be using water/juice to take this. I think i might have a hard time with the grit of the DE so i was wondering if this is something you can put in yogurt and eat, something like that? And doesnt anyone have the links handy to sites that i can buy from (i'm in the US) so i dont have to sift through the pages again? thanks!

[sarahbrownie]

Okay so i have been reading and lurking this thread for a while. I have read all the pages over time and i must say that it's so hard to not want to try.

My skin stinks
My hair seems to grow kind of slow
being regular would be nice
better sleep would be great as well...

So with everyone comment on this i think i'm going to give it a whorl. Mostly because my mom suffers from IBS, lack of sleep (due to knee problems) and come depression. I would love to try this out and be able to pass it on to her!

Now i see that everyone seems to be using water/juice to take this. I think i might have a hard time with the grit of the DE so i was wondering if this is something you can put in yogurt and eat, something like that? And doesnt anyone have the links handy to sites that i can buy from (i'm in the US) so i dont have to sift through the pages again? thanks!

You can always take 1/2 tbsp in a glass of juice and again in the evening. I can hardly tell that is in there in a tall glass of juice. I got mine on ebay, 2.5 jar for $22.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Diatomaceous-Earth-Food-Grade-2-5-lbs-Jar-Perma-Guard_W0QQitemZ180364154206QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item29fe8a955e

[piratejenny23]

Now i see that everyone seems to be using water/juice to take this. I think i might have a hard time with the grit of the DE so i was wondering if this is something you can put in yogurt and eat, something like that? And doesnt anyone have the links handy to sites that i can buy from (i'm in the US) so i dont have to sift through the pages again? thanks!

i wouldn't recommend putting DE in food; it would be like chewing sand. after i drink it i have some plain water right away and swish it around. if you put it in a thicker drink like kefir or a smoothie and drink it with a straw, it might be easier for you than water or juice. but, i would still put it in a small amount of beverage (4-6 oz) and then "wash it down" with the rest of the beverage.

i have 3 suggestions for finding DE:
--check with your local gardening store/nursery (you don't have to tell them that you plan to take it as a supplement!) (*)
--google "buy diatomaceous earth food grade"
--go to "search this thread" at the top of the page and enter "ordered". some posts will say something like "i ordered mine today" but others will say "i ordered from __________ ".

HTH!

*the bag i have says "St Gabriel Organics/Insect Dust/Diatomaceous Earth" & cost $10.79 for 4.4lbs. i picked it up at a store, did not order online.

[melrose1985]

i wouldn't recommend putting DE in food; it would be like chewing sand. after i drink it i have some plain water right away and swish it around. if you put it in a thicker drink like kefir or a smoothie and drink it with a straw, it might be easier for you than water or juice. but, i would still put it in a small amount of beverage (4-6 oz) and then "wash it down" with the rest of the beverage.

i have 3 suggestions for finding DE:
--check with your local gardening store/nursery (you don't have to tell them that you plan to take it as a supplement!) (*)
--google "buy diatomaceous earth food grade"
--go to "search this thread" at the top of the page and enter "ordered". some posts will say something like "i ordered mine today" but others will say "i ordered from __________ ".

HTH!

*the bag i have says "St Gabriel Organics/Insect Dust/Diatomaceous Earth" & cost $10.79 for 4.4lbs. i picked it up at a store, did not order online.
thank you! i'll try that search. what store did you buy it from. I mean is this something i can get from walmart in the garden section? or Home depot? And lastly if bought from those places does the bag say "food grade." And thanks for posting that it might taste sandy in food.. i didnt think of that!



You can always take 1/2 tbsp in a glass of juice and again in the evening. I can hardly tell that is in there in a tall glass of juice. I got mine on ebay, 2.5 jar for $22.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Diatomaceous-Earth-Food-Grade-2-5-lbs-Jar-Perma-Guard_W0QQitemZ180364154206QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item29fe8a955e

thank you! how long do you think that this size will last?

[sarahbrownie]

thank you! i'll try that search. what store did you buy it from. I mean is this something i can get from walmart in the garden section? or Home depot? And lastly if bought from those places does the bag say "food grade." And thanks for posting that it might taste sandy in food.. i didnt think of that!




thank you! how long do you think that this size will last?

2.5 lbs jar? It's big, it will probably last a year. Maybe more.

[melrose1985]

2.5 lbs jar? It's big, it will probably last a year. Maybe more.

I just bought a 6lb bag from Wolf_creek (i think that's the seller on Ebay) for 19.00... Goodness! that's going to be forever, maybe i can give my mom some if i can sell her on it.

[Merkaba]

I'm still watching this thread with a ton of interest, thanks for keeping it up to date :)

[Addy]

I've finally finished reading this and it's very intresting to say the least...

What I want to know is...

Can I add this to the dogs' raw meats or should they drink it? I see it can be mixed in with wet cat food so would it be okay to mix in with say, hamburger for the dogs? How much should they get? I have a soon to be 1 yo boxer and a 9 yo lab mix that is an itchy mess of a gal with hair issues to say the least. I'd like to see if it *could* help her more since I took her off kibble in Sept 09. :cool:

I wouldn't mind trying it myself. :D

[Rapunzal2Be]

I've finally finished reading this and it's very intresting to say the least...

What I want to know is...

Can I add this to the dogs' raw meats or should they drink it? I see it can be mixed in with wet cat food so would it be okay to mix in with say, hamburger for the dogs? How much should they get? I have a soon to be 1 yo boxer and a 9 yo lab mix that is an itchy mess of a gal with hair issues to say the least. I'd like to see if it *could* help her more since I took her off kibble in Sept 09. :cool:

I wouldn't mind trying it myself. :D

I mix it in with some yogurt for my dog, because he eats kibble mostly. This worked well for me.

[Addy]

I mix it in with some yogurt for my dog, because he eats kibble mostly. This worked well for me.

How much are you giving your doggie? Does it go by the dog's weight? :)

[Rapunzal2Be]

How much are you giving your doggie? Does it go by the dog's weight? :)

I've got a 6 pound yorkie, I just give him a smidge - 1/2 tsp maybe? I think it does go by the dog's weight, from what I read when I was researching, but I don't know of a link off hand for you. Sorry!

[Addy]

I've got a 6 pound yorkie, I just give him a smidge - 1/2 tsp maybe? I think it does go by the dog's weight, from what I read when I was researching, but I don't know of a link off hand for you. Sorry!

That's okay. I'm going to check a feed store either tomorrow or Wednesday.

[Airisuu]

I'm currently on Day Two of taking the DE, and so far so good. I take a level teaspoon daily mixed with water, but I'm thinking of adding a bit of juice or lemon to mask the chalky taste. I haven't noticed any differences one way or the other, but I just started so I didn't really expect to. As far as tracking any hair growth is concerned, I've taken a 'beginning' photo and plan to take another in a week or two. (I'd love to see a noticeable growth after a week, but I'm aiming more towards two weeks for the sake of realistic expectations and/or more noticeable difference.)

For the record, I ordered the 'Green Sense' brand from AG Organics on Amazon. I seem to remember some people's DE being pure white, but the batch I got is more of a cream color. More sulfur maybe? I really can't taste anything one way or the other, so I'm inclined to think that any difference n mineral content is marginal.

[CrisDee]

I also have been giving my dog the DE to see if it'll help with his stiffness - he's an 8.5 year old giant breed, and not the most conformationally correct. Too early to tell if it's helping, though. I give it to him in the yummies I mix into his food. Do you do a veggie meal, or just RMB? It'd be easy to mix into the veggie meal. As far as the amount, I'd probably do it by weight - I give him the same amount I give myself, cos he's 185 lbs. Don't know how you'd scale that down for a regular size dog...

[Addy]

Went in to get some Food Grade DE today at the farm center. He gave me Red Lake Earth. Yeah, it's red.

Calcium minimum 1%
Calcium maximum 2%
Moisture 8%
Ash 95%

Is this the right stuff? I'm not using it til I know for sure if it's okay but it did say it was for animals and rodents for in their feed. If I don't use it for us, I will use it around the yard so it's really no big deal. I've been wanting to get some anyways.

I just want to know if it's okay if it's red. :rolleyes:

[Addy]

I also have been giving my dog the DE to see if it'll help with his stiffness - he's an 8.5 year old giant breed, and not the most conformationally correct. Too early to tell if it's helping, though. I give it to him in the yummies I mix into his food. Do you do a veggie meal, or just RMB? It'd be easy to mix into the veggie meal. As far as the amount, I'd probably do it by weight - I give him the same amount I give myself, cos he's 185 lbs. Don't know how you'd scale that down for a regular size dog...

Hi~

My dogs don't eat veggies. Mainly meat and bones. :)

[krt1013]

I have an update with Silica and MSM, not DE. I was taking them religiously for two weeks or so, but then moved from an apartment to a house (better roommates, yay!) and forgot about it for a while while packing and unpacking (and taking finals, too!).

While I didn't notice a ton of growth, I felt like I had noticed a BIT more than usual, plus more of the "baby hairs" that several posters have mentioned.

The biggest thing I saw? About a week after I stopped, my hair started shedding a lot... I didn't think about it until I saw this thread again and had an AHA! moment.

I'm going to grab a glass of water and start taking them again; I do think that they prevent shedding and keep the follicles growing at a good (though not astronomical) rate.

[inspiral]

Hey Addy! I think it would be okay to mix in the dogs food as long as you premix it for them and make sure that the DE is completely mixed in. you may already know this, but the DE is dangourous if you inhale the dust, so just make sure that the dog food is wet enough to completely saturate the DE, or maybe mix a tiny bit of water or milk in with the DE before you mix it in the food...
good luck!


I've finally finished reading this and it's very intresting to say the least...

What I want to know is...

Can I add this to the dogs' raw meats or should they drink it? I see it can be mixed in with wet cat food so would it be okay to mix in with say, hamburger for the dogs? How much should they get? I have a soon to be 1 yo boxer and a 9 yo lab mix that is an itchy mess of a gal with hair issues to say the least. I'd like to see if it *could* help her more since I took her off kibble in Sept 09. :cool:

I wouldn't mind trying it myself. :D

[jojo]

update in just over 5 weeks I have had 1.5" of growth, bearing in mind this equates to half of what I got previously in 11 months. Pretty good id say for a snails pace grower!

[Addy]

Hey Addy! I think it would be okay to mix in the dogs food as long as you premix it for them and make sure that the DE is completely mixed in. you may already know this, but the DE is dangourous if you inhale the dust, so just make sure that the dog food is wet enough to completely saturate the DE, or maybe mix a tiny bit of water or milk in with the DE before you mix it in the food...
good luck!

Oh yes, I know the stuff is very bad to breathe! I have a pool filter that eats DE every other month in the summer. :D I love the stuff! Get's every lil spec of dust out of the water! :cool:

[Addy]

update in just over 5 weeks I have had 1.5" of growth, bearing in mind this equates to half of what I got previously in 11 months. Pretty good id say for a snails pace grower!

WoW! That is awesome jojo! :cheese:

[piratejenny23]

Went in to get some Food Grade DE today at the farm center. He gave me Red Lake Earth. Yeah, it's red.

Calcium minimum 1%
Calcium maximum 2%
Moisture 8%
Ash 95%

Is this the right stuff? I'm not using it til I know for sure if it's okay but it did say it was for animals and rodents for in their feed. If I don't use it for us, I will use it around the yard so it's really no big deal. I've been wanting to get some anyways.

I just want to know if it's okay if it's red. :rolleyes:

Well that seems really different...

My bag of DE says
85% silicon dioxide
10% other element oxides
5% moisture

However, i just looked here http://www.absorbentproductsltd.com/redearthusa.htm
and it says it is 65% DE and 35% montmorillonite, which is high in calcium and sounds like good stuff:

For internal use, montmorillonite is effective in the treatment of irritable bowel syndrome.[/URL] It is also used for the prevention of aflatoxicosis, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montmorillonite#cite_note-3) and in the treatment of constipation. Also, it inhibits intestinal absorption of cholesterol (nanotechnology research), (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montmorillonite#cite_note-5) and absorbs uric acid. It is used in agriculture to improve growth performance of piglets and fish. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montmorillonite#cite_note-7)It ameliorates hyperthyroidism of rats and mice. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montmorillonite#cite_note-9) Montmorillonite is also used in other related research. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montmorillonite#cite_note-11)


Montmorillonite is proven to be effective in use as an adsorptive of heavy metals, toxins, and hazardous chemicals.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montmorillonite#cite_note-13) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montmorillonite#cite_note-15)[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montmorillonite#cite_note-17"]
Antibacterial effects of montmorillonite are well demonstrated. (wikipedia)

[piratejenny23]

update in just over 5 weeks I have had 1.5" of growth, bearing in mind this equates to half of what I got previously in 11 months. Pretty good id say for a snails pace grower!

okay, double check my math, but...that's at least 4x faster growth!!!

3" in 11 months is 1.5" in 5.5 months, x 4.3 weeks in a month, is 1.5" in 24 weeks...and jojo has had this same growth in less than 6 weeks!

jojo luuuuuuuurrrrves me...right, jojo? :p

[CrisDee]

update in just over 5 weeks I have had 1.5" of growth, bearing in mind this equates to half of what I got previously in 11 months. Pretty good id say for a snails pace grower!

Wow, that's fabulous! I think I'm noticing an increase as well. It's hard to measure my hair - even though it's in a pixie, it was razor cut, so there are a million places where some hairs are longer than others - so I pretty much go by the roots. And even tho I just touched up my roots about 2 weeks ago, I think I see about half an inch of growth already! Hoping that's not just wishful thinking, or a place I missed with the touch-up :D

[Juneii]

oooh hearing all these success stores makes me want to try some too :]

[melrose1985]

I jsut checked the tracking. i do believe my DE is out for delivery! i hope it fits in the mail box, it's one of those small ones in a condo complex.

[melrose1985]

Yah! it came in! it was between my front door and screen door. It came in a big bag (in a box), it's 6'lbs! So to you all take it in the morning or night? is either better?

and staring with one tbsp is okay right?

[piratejenny23]

Yah! it came in! it was between my front door and screen door. It came in a big bag (in a box), it's 6'lbs! So to you all take it in the morning or night? is either better?

and staring with one tbsp is okay right?

i take it at night because sometimes it makes me sleepy. but other people say it gives them energy, so...maybe the middle of the day or on a day off so you can see how it affects you?

also, you might want to start with one teaspoon just to make sure it doesn't upset your digestion; it is used for detoxing & killing parasites, so initially it could give you some side effects.

again, it affects everyone differently; some people have jumped right in with 3 tablespoons and felt fine!

good luck!!! i hope you have good results!!! :cheese:

[melrose1985]

i take it at night because sometimes it makes me sleepy. but other people say it gives them energy, so...maybe the middle of the day or on a day off so you can see how it affects you?

also, you might want to start with one teaspoon just to make sure it doesn't upset your digestion; it is used for detoxing & killing parasites, so initially it could give you some side effects.

again, it affects everyone differently; some people have jumped right in with 3 tablespoons and felt fine!

good luck!!! i hope you have good results!!! :cheese:

thank you! I'll start tonight and then on my days off coming up i'll try it in the morning and see what happens. work can be boring enough! dont want to fall asleep!

[jojo]

okay, double check my math, but...that's at least 4x faster growth!!!

3" in 11 months is 1.5" in 5.5 months, x 4.3 weeks in a month, is 1.5" in 24 weeks...and jojo has had this same growth in less than 6 weeks!

jojo luuuuuuuurrrrves me...right, jojo? :p you bet I do! x

[Rapunzal2Be]

I love you, too, PirateJenny!! Honestly, there I was complaining about my growth being so stalled, and then BAM, next measure came out great! I can't wait to see what the next month and measure bring! Thank you so much, for this tip and also your support on here. :)

[melrose1985]

I took a tbs of the DE last night in crystal light iced tea. I kept swirling the cup or straw to keep the DE moving. Only thing is the the iced tea was way to cold to drink fast. I'm going to stick to a tbs for now and next week see about upping it.

[jojo]

I tried it in a fruit smoothie today, blended it all up; the chalky taste hardly noticable!

[Syaoransbear]

Okay, hopping back on this wagon TONIGHT. I'm going to try it with just the DE and no other hair supplements for a few months, depending on if I can stuff enough water into my system that the DE doesn't give me major headaches. I also just ordered the Shapley's MTG.

[Airisuu]

1 Week Update: So far so good! No negative side effects to report. :D

I haven't measured my hair yet as I've decided to wait a full 2 weeks before I take a second photo, but I have noticed that I fall asleep more easily and seem to have a more sound sleep. I used to wake up every couple of hours for whatever small reason, but these past few nights I don't remember waking up at all. Also my hands and feet that are normally ice cold 24/7 seem to be staying warmer. Has anyone else noticed increased circulation?

[piratejenny23]

a couple of people, including myself, have noticed having rosy cheeks & a less pale complexion than is normal in the winter, and i think someone else said they blush more often!

[Demetrue]

I ordered the Perma-guard DE from Earth Works on the 23rd and am eagerly awaiting its arrival!

[Gabriel]

I ordered the Perma-guard DE from Earth Works on the 23rd and am eagerly awaiting its arrival!

My shipment from Perma-Guard just got here. I'm so excited to start it.

[ritza]

My shipment from Perma-Guard just got here. I'm so excited to start it.


How long did it take for your order to come?
Please give a review!

[Demetrue]

How long did it take for your order to come?
Please give a review!

Yes - please tell us how long it took and did they send you a shipping notice?

[Gabriel]

They didn't send a shipping notice and I ordered it on December 20th and it arrived December 29th.

It arrived in a thick plastic bag, boxed. Instructions on it just for using it with animal feed. It does say in BIG letter "Food Grade" on it though.

It's light colored and when mixed with water is sort of milky greyish/brown. Not a bad or strong taste either and not really gritty. I've had rice milk that was grittier.

[CrisDee]

Posted these pix separately on another thread, I'm still bumbling my way through the learning process on this site :)

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n417/CrisDee1958/Hair/Short%20and%20growing%20out/collage.jpg

I think I'm seeing about an inch of growth in the 20 day period of these shots. Started the DE either the day before or the day after Thanksgiving, also biotin around the same time. Was trying to do MN as well, but I'm not as diligent about that as I'd like to be, mostly because of my crazy job schedule.

I'm definitely hooked on the DE, though. The irregularity of my work hours causes all kinds of irregularity :D, and the DE is definitely helping with that. And I truly think something's helping my hair grow a bit faster, so I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing until I get this hateful pixie grown out to an even lengthh. Going today to get some of the wisps trimmed down - don't know how you no-trim ladies grow out pixies, the unevenness would drive me NUTS! :crazyq:

[Demetrue]

They didn't send a shipping notice and I ordered it on December 20th and it arrived December 29th.

It arrived in a thick plastic bag, boxed. Instructions on it just for using it with animal feed. It does say in BIG letter "Food Grade" on it though.

It's light colored and when mixed with water is sort of milky greyish/brown. Not a bad or strong taste either and not really gritty. I've had rice milk that was grittier.

Thanks for responding!

[Elenna]

I've been taking DE for about three weeks. I measured my starting hair length at 23" but I had measured it myself. Today, my ds helped measure my hair. It is 25" but 26" stretched. Before, anyone gets too joyful, I maybe had measured my hair wrongly. Because, three weeks is far too short of a time to get two to three inches of growth!!!! I'll remeasure in mid-January, hopefully it will keep growing.

[StellaReade]

WOW! That's a quite noticeable amount of growth! Did you comb your hair differently in the back by chance? Because it looks a LOT longer in the second picture!

I meant to say Chrisdee :)

[Demetrue]

My perma-guard is scheduled to arrive tomorrow - hooray! I told the guy we would drink a DE toast to ring in the new year LOL

[Hairtada]

I also ordered some Perma guard from that same Ebay seller just to see if it was any different than the DE I've had for awhile that is food grade [but I am not sure of the manufacturer]. The PermaGuard is quite a bit finer, not nearly as gritty as the stuff I bought for my pets. I will buy the Permaguard again.

The seller shipped very quickly , I was pleased and would buy from them again.

[ritza]

They didn't send a shipping notice and I ordered it on December 20th and it arrived December 29th.

It arrived in a thick plastic bag, boxed. Instructions on it just for using it with animal feed. It does say in BIG letter "Food Grade" on it though.

It's light colored and when mixed with water is sort of milky greyish/brown. Not a bad or strong taste either and not really gritty. I've had rice milk that was grittier.

Thanks!:cheese:


Happy Hair Growing!

[ritza]

Posted these pix separately on another thread, I'm still bumbling my way through the learning process on this site :)

http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n417/CrisDee1958/Hair/Short%20and%20growing%20out/collage.jpg

I think I'm seeing about an inch of growth in the 20 day period of these shots. Started the DE either the day before or the day after Thanksgiving, also biotin around the same time. Was trying to do MN as well, but I'm not as diligent about that as I'd like to be, mostly because of my crazy job schedule.

I'm definitely hooked on the DE, though. The irregularity of my work hours causes all kinds of irregularity :D, and the DE is definitely helping with that. And I truly think something's helping my hair grow a bit faster, so I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing until I get this hateful pixie grown out to an even lengthh. Going today to get some of the wisps trimmed down - don't know how you no-trim ladies grow out pixies, the unevenness would drive me NUTS! :crazyq:

Congrats, It looks thicker.:disco:

[piratejenny23]

I've been taking DE for about three weeks. I measured my starting hair length at 23" but I had measured it myself. Today, my ds helped measure my hair. It is 25" but 26" stretched. Before, anyone gets too joyful, I maybe had measured my hair wrongly. Because, three weeks is far too short of a time to get two to three inches of growth!!!! I'll remeasure in mid-January, hopefully it will keep growing.

wow that would be amazing!!!

do you think you could replicate the way you measured your hair last time, and measure it that way now (without help)? even though it might not be an accurate length measurement, the difference between the 2 measurements might be reasonably accurate, and then we could see how much your hair has grown! (kind of like weighing yourself on a scale that is a few pounds "off"; you can still use it to see whether you've lost or gained weight)

but even if you measured it wrong 3 weeks ago, isn't it nice to find out your hair is 2-3 inches longer than you thought it was!!!

[Coriander]

This thread has fascinated me since day one. I think I might try this in the New Year. :)

[Elenna]

wow that would be amazing!!!
do you think you could replicate the way you measured your hair last time, and measure it that way now (without help)? even though it might not be an accurate length measurement, the difference between the 2 measurements might be reasonably accurate, and then we could see how much your hair has grown! (kind of like weighing yourself on a scale that is a few pounds "off"; you can still use it to see whether you've lost or gained weight) but even if you measured it wrong 3 weeks ago, isn't it nice to find out your hair is 2-3 inches longer than you thought it was!!!

Well, it looks long but it is hard to be objective. I'll remeasure next year! I really, really want to grow out the silvers. But it could be the way my hair was arranged or something like that.

[CrisDee]

WOW! That's a quite noticeable amount of growth! Did you comb your hair differently in the back by chance? Because it looks a LOT longer in the second picture!

I meant to say Chrisdee :)

The front was pushed behind my ears in the first photo, but the back was combed pretty much the same. The Mullet of Doom was driving me NUTS by 12/29, so yesterday I got it trimmed off. Hate the style right now, but it's gonna be so much easier to grow out - I just can't deal with the whole bat wings thing :)

[StellaReade]

The front was pushed behind my ears in the second photo, but the back was combed pretty much the same. The Mullet of Doom was driving me NUTS by 12/29, so yesterday I got it trimmed off. Hate the style right now, but it's gonna be so much easier to grow out - I just can't deal with the whole bat wings thing :)

Yes, I remember that well, the mullet stage. Well, I just have to say I am impressed with your progress, that's awesome.

[Demetrue]

My DE arrived today - YAY!!! I am going to mix it in OJ and bottoms up!

[Coriander]

Does anyone have any new measurements? I'm excited to see how you all are doing with this (as I lurk on the DE websites). ;)

[Kristin]

I just ordered some food grade DE on Amazon. Should be here next week! I am so excited to try this!

[Demetrue]

I just measured my hair (the LHC way, from front of hair line down the to the back) and it seems to be about 17 inches. So I will measure again in a few weeks and see if there is any noticeable growth.

[Syaoransbear]

The MTG stuff already came! I'm pretty excited. It smells like beef jerky. I think I'll wait until I get my roots done on monday so I can see the results better. Although maybe I'll try it before I get my hair done since my hair dresser doesn't charge more money if you have more roots to dye.

[Jordan S.]

Never heard of that in my life lol! Does it have any tie to silica?

[jojo]

anybody else notice more thickness and shine with DE? Ive only just started MSM but heard it has an effect quickly, this is a picture from today, my hair feels not only longer but thicker and shinier too.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/joanna_eglin/jan1st2010.jpg

[jojo]

Never heard of that in my life lol! Does it have any tie to silica?
Yes but you really need to read from page one, takes a long time but it does explain it better than I could!

[Syaoransbear]

before I use the shapley's, I was wondering how hard it is to get the smell out? I want to leave it in overnight and wash it out in the morning, but I work tomorrow so I can't be smelly.

[Gabriel]

I wanted to recommend the Blender Bottle I picked up from GNC for use with DE. It's a portable plastic cup with a lid that unscrews so you can pour your liquid or choice and DE in there. Inside the cup is a removeable wire wisk ball. It has a flip top spout to drink out of and you can constantly shake it up with no fussing.

It's for various enegery/protein drinks but as soon as I tried my DE stirring it constantly I knew this would be so much better. The wire wisk ball makes sure it mixes really well.

[piratejenny23]

before I use the shapley's, I was wondering how hard it is to get the smell out? I want to leave it in overnight and wash it out in the morning, but I work tomorrow so I can't be smelly.

i CO and i get the smell & oil out surprisingly easily; if you shampoo it might be even easier. however, i would say there is a little bit of a lingering odor sometimes, but unless people are sticking their noses right on your scalp i doubt they would smell it. if it's really an issue, though, you might want to wait for a day off! or put a few drops of EO in your hair for the scent, or bring some perfume or something you can spritz on yourself if you feel self-conscious :)

[Demetrue]

wow jojo - your hair really does look thick and gorgeous!

[CrisDee]

anybody else notice more thickness and shine with DE? Ive only just started MSM but heard it has an effect quickly, this is a picture from today, my hair feels not only longer but thicker and shinier too.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/joanna_eglin/jan1st2010.jpg

Wow, gorgeous hair!

[ritza]

anybody else notice more thickness and shine with DE? Ive only just started MSM but heard it has an effect quickly, this is a picture from today, my hair feels not only longer but thicker and shinier too.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/joanna_eglin/jan1st2010.jpg

Very pretty & thick:eyebrows:
Love that shine:cool:





Happy Hair Growing!:D

[Elenna]

.... Do you think you could replicate the way you measured your hair last time, and measure it that way now (without help)? ...but even if you measured it wrong 3 weeks ago, isn't it nice to find out your hair is 2-3 inches longer than you thought it was!!!

I remeasured at ~25 inches. BUT will measure in a couple of weeks to see if this is for real!!!! Anyone notice better mental clarity, more energy, clearer skin, better digestion, etc?

I haven't noticed more thickness and shine. It may be from the sulphur in MTG?

I'm noticing more silver hair which is the newer growth.

[Syaoransbear]

I've been pooping a lot more immediately after starting DE, if that counts as better digestion :cheese::eyebrows:.

[Razor]

Ive been taking it for about a week and a half now, Can't say Ive noticed any difference in my hair shedding or anything, I kinda havn't been looking for any change :p.
Dunno if its done anything for my skin, mabye yes,mabye no :p.
I changed my skin washing routine about the same time so Weither it has helped my skin or not, I really am not sure haha !
But I'll still take it for the sake of it.
And wow ...makes alot of gas :p.

[jojo]

I remeasured at ~25 inches. BUT will measure in a couple of weeks to see if this is for real!!!! Anyone notice better mental clarity, more energy, clearer skin, better digestion, etc?

I haven't noticed more thickness and shine. It may be from the sulphur in MTG?

I'm noticing more silver hair which is the newer growth.
yes all of these, plus my asthma has all but cleared up, I have only used my inhaler once since starting DE. I have not been able to to use the MTG a lot due to it giving me headaches, my only changes are the DE. I started a week ago on the MSM, therefore I can conclude that the positive health changes I have experienced are 100% a result of taking DE on a daily basis!

[girlcat36]

I have been raeding this thread with interest, and cannot find much info on the web about DE.
Does anyone know if DE can interfere with regular medications?

[jojo]

Hi girlcat,
As far as I am aware De has no effect on medications but will try and find you some info xx

[Elenna]

While not quite trouble free, my digestion seems to have improved from the DE. I would get very bad heart burn (for years), but it now seems to be less of a problem which is great.

I take the DE in water at night. So maybe the DE has time to work through the system and not cause gassy problems the next day.

[mbeckhhp]

I use egg (yolk) and honey as a shampoo, and don't find it difficult to wash out at all. I use warm to hot water, and haven't had it cook in my hair so far.

I also have quite protein-sensitive hair, and the protein in the egg yolk hasn't aggravated my hair.
The protein is in the white.Yolk, is fat,lecithin,cholesterol.As a holistic health practitioner. The detox specialists sell bags of diatinaceous earth, as a parasite cleanse treatment.(teaspoon in water,shake ,drink 2 x a day. 2 weeks, 1x a week, maitenence.this is from a colon hydrotherapist.(part of plan) is suposed to expell worms, and other parasites.Hair growth, huh?wow!

[Leisje]

Has anyone currently taking DE as a supplement, also tried just pure silica supplements? I ask because DE is mostly silica... and I am assuming that is what is helping with everything. I have been taking a pure silica gel supplement recently but it's rather expensive so I'm not sure I can afford to keep with it. I would like to try DE as a more cost effective alternative to the pure silica gel... but I'm wondering if they both do the same things. Or if one is more beneficial than the other.

Any ideas?

[krt1013]

I've been taking silica along with MSM and have been experiencing pretty good results (I started in late November). I think that the silica is the main reason why DE works so well. I'd go for it if you are interested.

[melrose1985]

I had posted that i got my DE right before the holidays, sadly due to lazyness and not getting my Cassia till tomorrow to do some henna i haven bothered with the DE.

I want to start taking it full time, but i really want to henna/cassia first that way i can tell really easy if there is any help on my hair.

When i did take it though, it is tastless but has a powder taste. As in my drink tasted the same but i had a powdery/chalky feel in my mouth. Not that bad though. I tired to add a TBP to yogurt and YUCK! that powder taste was bad!

i'll post again once i start.

[LawyerGirl]

I've ordered DE. I was taking silica supplements, but they are mostly horsetail? And from some reading on this board and elsewhere, overdoing the horsetail is a bad thing.

Girlcat, the website I was reading said DE was safe and natural, not chemical based, and safe in pregnancy. From the way they talk, I wonder what the drawbacks are? Though... I don't know if it interferes with medication.

Mine should be here this week.

[Syaoransbear]

I tried a plain old silica supplement, but it was only 15mg of silica per capsule and it was extremely expensive and hard to find. Now I have enough DE to last me years at only $30. I've been on lots of antibiotics recently because I'm a pretty unhealthy person, and I'm about to go on antibiotics lasting two months. So far DE hasn't interfered with any of my medications or birth control.

I'm currently taking DE with hot chocolate, and I do not notice the DE taste at all, not even at the end when I drink that big powdery chunk that always sinks to the bottom. This is the best way to drink it I've found so far.

[SeaShell]

this has probably been asked before but where exactly can you buy the human grade DE?

[LawyerGirl]

this has probably been asked before but where exactly can you buy the human grade DE?

I bought mine online.

[jojo]

I tried a plain old silica supplement, but it was only 15mg of silica per capsule and it was extremely expensive and hard to find. Now I have enough DE to last me years at only $30. I've been on lots of antibiotics recently because I'm a pretty unhealthy person, and I'm about to go on antibiotics lasting two months. So far DE hasn't interfered with any of my medications or birth control.

I'm currently taking DE with hot chocolate, and I do not notice the DE taste at all, not even at the end when I drink that big powdery chunk that always sinks to the bottom. This is the best way to drink it I've found so far.
what a brilliant idea and i love hot chocolate, im going to try this one! thanks for the tip xx

eta-girlcat cannot find anything on the net which says you should be careful taking DE if on medications, so what you waiting for go eat soil!

[jojo]

this has probably been asked before but where exactly can you buy the human grade DE?
i got mine off ebay very cheap! if it says its fit for animals its fit for humans, just stay away from the pool one.

[Airisuu]

I'd intended to take a 2 week progress photo on Sunday and see if there was any noticeable growth, but then the holiday season steamrollered over my plans. That being the case, I've bumped it up to a 3 week progress photo. Oops! (Silly holidays and your time-sucking abilities!) :dizzy:

[longforhim]

So, I am interested in taking the food grade DE but was wondering if it is safe to do so while pregnant? I am going to discuss it with my doc at my next appointment, but was wondering if anyone on here has any info or links about the safety of DE while pregnant? TIA!

[jojo]

Yes it is perfectly safe for pregnant ladies, from what i have read.

[Syaoransbear]

what a brilliant idea and i love hot chocolate, im going to try this one! thanks for the tip xx


Thanks! Let me know how you like it!

[CrisDee]

So, I am interested in taking the food grade DE but was wondering if it is safe to do so while pregnant? I am going to discuss it with my doc at my next appointment, but was wondering if anyone on here has any info or links about the safety of DE while pregnant? TIA!

Bear in mind that it's not terribly likely that your doctor has heard of DE as a supplement, and as such will likely advise against anything he's not familiar with on the "better safe than sorry" mindset. Perhaps you could do some internet research on the matter and give him something to review, so he can familiarize himself with the concept :)

[Airisuu]

I feel a bit like a fool because I made my post earlier saying "Blah! I'll wait 3 Weeks!" and then at the urging of my DF earlier, caved in and had him take a second picture.

...I hope these links work! (Because I don't think I can go back and edit posts yet.)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g285/airisuu/Hair%20Progress%20Photos/20091220.jpg
Beginning photo, taken on Sunday evening. (December 20'th) Alas, no flash!

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g285/airisuu/Hair%20Progress%20Photos/20100105.jpg

Second Photo, taken two weeks and two days later on Tuesday evening. (January 5'th)

I can tell that I need a lot more practice taking photos, (or rather, having photos taken of me!) but the main problem seems to be that I rest my hands on a different spot on my waist each time. Oops! To prove to myself that I wasn't going crazy, I did an overlay to get a better idea of the progress made.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g285/airisuu/Hair%20Progress%20Photos/2wk2dycompoverlay.jpg

It looks freaky because I pasted one image over the other, with a 50% opacity but I'm very happy with how well they line up! I don't think I got quite as much growth as the overlay shows because there's a definite wave in the first photo but I took a hairfryer on low heat to my hair tonight because it was twice as wavy and would have measured up shorter had I not made some attempt to straighten it. As a side note, these pictures drive home that I really need to stop parting my hair in the same place every day.

So, progress so far seems good! I misplaced my soft measuring tape, but I'll dig up some twine later and figure out my exact measurement. I look forward to seeing the next photo two more weeks from now! I feel like a third set will really give a much better idea of any progress.

[wahmof9]

Originally Posted by longforhim http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?p=921627#post921627)
So, I am interested in taking the food grade DE but was wondering if it is safe to do so while pregnant? I am going to discuss it with my doc at my next appointment, but was wondering if anyone on here has any info or links about the safety of DE while pregnant? TIA!


I WOULD NOT do DE while pregnant...it helps detox and that is never recommended while pregnant.

[melrose1985]

I know hot chocolate was brought up for taking this... is there anything else?

I took 2 tbs before bed last in a large glass of crystal light iced tea. I warmed it so i could drink it fast (ice cold doesnt work so well) i couldnt finish the last 1/4" of the glass because it was making my sick to my tummy. Now i would suck it threw a straw and then drink so water to get rid of the powder taste in my mouth.

the first time i did 1tps and that was easy, next i tried 1tbs and that wasnt bad, maybe i should split the 2tbs up to morning and night? maybe it's to much powder in one drink? anyone want to share how they take it?

[halfbakedtulip]

So Im a total lemming :p I went out searching for this stuff this morning and my feed store said they didnt have any so I ordered off ebay. My hair doesnt really move so Im hoping!!

[halfbakedtulip]

And CRISDEE~~~~ Im sorry but you said your dog is 185 lbs?????????? Holy Cow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That be a big boy:D

[Heidi_234]

Airisuu, whoa, you and Jojo are practically hair twins! :)

[Airisuu]

Heidi - XD I only wish my hair was as long as hers! ...and that my color was natural, hehe. I'm trying very hard to get back to my natural color which is an ash blonde color. (I've got a good 1 1/2" or so of roots, but the color doesn't show too well against the old red stain I was using.) The only problem is that I've got hair A.D.D. so it's a constant battle not to grab a bottle of stain and go to town.

Looking back at the post, I'm embarrassed that I made the photos so large. I'll shrink them down for the next comparison, and also put them side by side. Sorry for my lack of finesse! I was just happy at the noticeable growth. :D

[girlcat36]

what a brilliant idea and i love hot chocolate, im going to try this one! thanks for the tip xx

eta-girlcat cannot find anything on the net which says you should be careful taking DE if on medications, so what you waiting for go eat soil!

Thanks, jojo!

[Elenna]

My hair does looks longer! :D

Hair is now 25 inches in length from start of 23 inches. Boy, two inches of hair growth in four weeks was fast!

Previously, hair grew glacierally-slow.

I put a tablespoon of DE in a small cup of water, and drink it as fast as I can because it is like drinking mud.
.

[melrose1985]

I realized why the last time i took the DE is was so nasty. I was drinking through a straw but i was letting it fill my mouth where as tonight i realized if i put the straw back in my mouth more it goes more directly down my throat and isnt so bad. I'm going to do a tbs spoon in the morning and one at night for now. I should start today as my starting date.

[In2JC724]

i got mine off ebay very cheap! if it says its fit for animals its fit for humans, just stay away from the pool one.


Ok. So I found some that doesn't say it's food grade, but it's not the pool one either. It says it's for pest control, which I've found online is what DE also does... Because it's tiny diatom fossils, it gets on the bugs and cuts them all up.. So I'm wondering, is the pool one the only one to avoid? And how would I tell the difference.. The ingredients in the one I found is the same as the food grade DE I've found online.

Arg. I'm so confused!! :confused:

[piratejenny23]

yes, that's the one.

[In2JC724]

Were you talking to me PirateJenny? Does that mean I've found the right stuff? And it's not going to kill me??? lol

[abritta3]

I have been lurking on here for a while and I am definitely interested in trying this out.
I would like to know...
Pirate Jenny: Did your growth start to slow or even out now that you've been taking it for a while?
Have any of you noticed any side effects?

Thank you in advance and good luck with y our growing ladies!!!

[LawyerGirl]

I got my DE in the mail today... I put a tsp in a small cup of orange juice and gulped it down. It wasn't bad at all.

[piratejenny23]

Were you talking to me PirateJenny? Does that mean I've found the right stuff? And it's not going to kill me??? lolyes, yes, no

[piratejenny23]

Pirate Jenny: Did your growth start to slow or even out now that you've been taking it for a while?
Have any of you noticed any side effects?

i only got about 1/2" of growth in December, so it has slowed down but (1) i never measured my hair or growth per month before, and this could be "normal" winter slow-down (2) i haven't been taking the DE more than 2-3 times per week lately--just tired/forgetful (3) i haven't done a Shapley's treatment in a while, which usually seems to give me crazy overnight growth.

i have had no side effects, except that i sleep better!

[In2JC724]

yes, yes, no
lol You crack me up! Short and to the point :D


Awesome, I was hoping I'd found the right stuff, but I didn't want to risk it. :)

[Rapunzal2Be]

I have been lurking on here for a while and I am definitely interested in trying this out.
I would like to know...
Pirate Jenny: Did your growth start to slow or even out now that you've been taking it for a while?
Have any of you noticed any side effects?

Thank you in advance and good luck with y our growing ladies!!!

The first few days I was taking DE, I tried it by putting it into a tall glass of water, letting it sink down to the bottom and drinking it slowly. I added juice to make it taste better, that's how I drink my water normally. Anyway, I did not feel great when taking it this way, for two or three days. It felt like heartburn. (I had read somewhere that your body absorbs more silica by doing it this way, since your body can only take a certain amount of silica at one time, I think...)

So I switched to taking it in a small cup of water and juice and drinking it down very quickly, right before bed or right when I wake up. I have not noticed any effects while doing it this way.

I've not noticed any health benefits, but I was not having any problems to begin with. So I am still happy to be taking it. The only effect that I have noticed is the hair growth. And I"m happy about that!!!! :D

[abritta3]

Can anyone link me to a website where they ordered and bought theirs? I am weery about buying the wrong thing!
I went to the health food store today and they didn't have it.

[LawyerGirl]

Can anyone link me to a website where they ordered and bought theirs? I am weery about buying the wrong thing!
I went to the health food store today and they didn't have it.

I keep seeing on websites that the only safe food-grade DE is from perma-guard. I ordered mine from Amazon.

[PeaceWithTrees]

Hello all! I have been reserching DE for about a week now and I have finally decided to order it from Amazon.com. I got the Perma Gaurd Fossil Shell Flour Food Grade kind. It should be here tomorrow or on Monday, I plan to start taking the DE as soon as I get it! *Gitty Laugh* I cant wait! :D
I am going to take a before picture and I shall highlight only a small section of hair to better observe the progress. Ill send an Update!

[CrisDee]

Progress report - I've been taking mine regularly since Thanksgiving, and I am definitely noticing faster growth. It's hard for me to tell by the length, since I'm having regular trims to the pixie I'm growing out to keep it from looking like heck, but I can definitely tell by my roots. I have quite a bit of grey, so it really drives me nuts when I get about 3/4" showing. I just went back and looked at my calendar, and I colored only about 3 weeks ago, and have the same amount of yukky roots that used to take me 5+ weeks to get! So something's definitely working! I'm also taking biotin; was trying MN, but didn't care for the headaches and found I rarely used it, so i switched last week to Mega-Tek - no headaches, and love the smell! At this rate I'll have this pixie grown out by the end of the summer - thanks, everybody!! :cheese:

[Kristin]

I bought DE from Amazon, too. It's food grade, but the brand is alternative Health and Herbs Remedies. Came in a 1/2 lb. bag.

Just started taking the DE last night. Mixed one tbsp. into a cup of hot cocoa. Took another tbsp. this morning in OJ. It isn't too bad, though it does leave a gritty feeling in my mouth that goes away with a few swigs of water.

Really hoping for some growth! I'm taking biotin, Mega Hair vitamins, and using MN in addition to the DE!

[abritta3]

Great! I am on amazon now browsing and I am definitely going to buy some.

[sarahbrownie]

I haven't seen a difference yet. I'm between APL and BSL. For me, it's really hard to see any type of growth between the two. It's like BSL is the big hump for me. I'll be so happy once I get there. To me, I feel like once I get there then my hair is 'officially' long. However, I've seen my lashes are ridiculously long now. I wish I took a pic of my lashes before to share the difference, but I know my lashes were never this long before. It's not like fake-drag lashes, but they're noticeably longer after taking DE for a month.

[Syaoransbear]

I'm at just under two weeks of DE and no noticeable difference at all yet. I also did a Shapley's MTG treatment on wednesday. Nothing. My hair is dyed, so I can tell by the roots how much growth I've had. I also just had my hair dyed on monday so it's pretty fresh. I really don't have ANY roots yet. Sad.

[Kristin]

I've been using MN for about 2 weeks now and only applied it 4-5 times. Also been taking biotin and hair vitamins. Measured around 26" a few days ago (I want to say it was Tuesday). Started DE Friday night and have taken 1 tbsp morning and evening for the last two days. Measured today at 26-1/2!!! I don't know if that is even possible. I checked like 3 times and it was the same every time.

Just hennaed my hair last night, so we'll see how long it takes for me to see roots. So excited!!

[StellaReade]

I've been taking it now for a week, I haven't measured or anything, but has anyone noticed their eyesight is better? And what I mean by that is, by the middle of the afternoon or so at work, the computer screen would start getting blurry, but not at all this last week. That's awesome! There is more wind, though, definitely. But my biggest problem is chapped lips. Even when I put lotion or chapstick and such, it doesn't help much. Of course, this is coinciding with an extreme cold snap in the area for the past week, could be a combination of the DE and the dry cold air. I've also lost 7 pounds, but that may be more part of my annual New Year's resolution.

[LawyerGirl]

I've been taking it now for a week, I haven't measured or anything, but has anyone noticed their eyesight is better? And what I mean by that is, by the middle of the afternoon or so at work, the computer screen would start getting blurry, but not at all this last week. That's awesome! There is more wind, though, definitely. But my biggest problem is chapped lips. Even when I put lotion or chapstick and such, it doesn't help much. Of course, this is coinciding with an extreme cold snap in the area for the past week, could be a combination of the DE and the dry cold air. I've also lost 7 pounds, but that may be more part of my annual New Year's resolution.


I've noticed a change in my eyesight, but I thought it was my imagination. Also, I have a ridiculous amount of energy.... it seems I need less sleep. Weird.

[PeaceWithTrees]

Grrr, My DE has not arrived yet, but It should definatly be here tomorrow. I have lightend a small section of my hair to track the progression of my growth. Im not taking any other vitamins right now because I want to see the effects of just the DE. Although im anxious to start taking it, I am now contemplating waiting about a week or two to see my hair's natural growth rate. I will post tomorrow if i begin taking the DE.

[jojo]

I feel a bit like a fool because I made my post earlier saying "Blah! I'll wait 3 Weeks!" and then at the urging of my DF earlier, caved in and had him take a second picture.

...I hope these links work! (Because I don't think I can go back and edit posts yet.)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g285/airisuu/Hair%20Progress%20Photos/20091220.jpg
Beginning photo, taken on Sunday evening. (December 20'th) Alas, no flash!

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g285/airisuu/Hair%20Progress%20Photos/20100105.jpg

Second Photo, taken two weeks and two days later on Tuesday evening. (January 5'th)

I can tell that I need a lot more practice taking photos, (or rather, having photos taken of me!) but the main problem seems to be that I rest my hands on a different spot on my waist each time. Oops! To prove to myself that I wasn't going crazy, I did an overlay to get a better idea of the progress made.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g285/airisuu/Hair%20Progress%20Photos/2wk2dycompoverlay.jpg

It looks freaky because I pasted one image over the other, with a 50% opacity but I'm very happy with how well they line up! I don't think I got quite as much growth as the overlay shows because there's a definite wave in the first photo but I took a hairfryer on low heat to my hair tonight because it was twice as wavy and would have measured up shorter had I not made some attempt to straighten it. As a side note, these pictures drive home that I really need to stop parting my hair in the same place every day.

So, progress so far seems good! I misplaced my soft measuring tape, but I'll dig up some twine later and figure out my exact measurement. I look forward to seeing the next photo two more weeks from now! I feel like a third set will really give a much better idea of any progress.
your hair is just like mine, way hey i got me a hair twin!!!!

[jojo]

Airisuu, whoa, you and Jojo are practically hair twins! :) I have just posted the same thing! yes i was like woah! her hair is my hair just the same!!!! cool!!!:)

[jojo]

Heidi - XD I only wish my hair was as long as hers! ...and that my color was natural, hehe. I'm trying very hard to get back to my natural color which is an ash blonde color. (I've got a good 1 1/2" or so of roots, but the color doesn't show too well against the old red stain I was using.) The only problem is that I've got hair A.D.D. so it's a constant battle not to grab a bottle of stain and go to town.

Looking back at the post, I'm embarrassed that I made the photos so large. I'll shrink them down for the next comparison, and also put them side by side. Sorry for my lack of finesse! I was just happy at the noticeable growth. :D my hair is dark blonde naturally i have fine highlights in mine! and hun your a 2a which i guarentee will go to a 2b as you grow, your hair is just like mine thats really good, but yours is thicker!:)

[jojo]

Thanks! Let me know how you like it! i like it....a lot!!! nice in milky coffee too!!!

[Kristin]

I've been taking it now for a week, I haven't measured or anything, but has anyone noticed their eyesight is better? And what I mean by that is, by the middle of the afternoon or so at work, the computer screen would start getting blurry, but not at all this last week. That's awesome! There is more wind, though, definitely. But my biggest problem is chapped lips. Even when I put lotion or chapstick and such, it doesn't help much. Of course, this is coinciding with an extreme cold snap in the area for the past week, could be a combination of the DE and the dry cold air. I've also lost 7 pounds, but that may be more part of my annual New Year's resolution.
It's funny, Stella, but now that you mention it, it does seem like something weird has been happening with my eyes lately. I'm having the opposite problem, though. Can't see straight and my contacts are bothering me. Also feel like I'm getting headaches from my eyes. Maybe my prescription is getting too strong for me! That would be great!

[pinchbeck]

someone asked me if my supplements were making my body hair grow faster. maybe they just joking but it felt like ridicule. i have worked in several health food stores & am familiar with many lines of supplements; my aunt is a hairdresser; both my mother and grandmother suffered with alopecia and tried many supplements & home remedies; but NEVER have i heard anyone say that anything they've taken for their "head hair" has made them hairy all over.
I have felt attacked too before on some of my posts. I think the question is valid where you were asked if it your body hair grows faster because some of us women have sporadic facial hair and hairy legs (the latter probably only applies to me because I have hair on the top part of my legs, gross eh?). So, if I take supplements to increase my hair growth and it grows faster wouldn't my body hair also grow faster (meaning I have to shave, trim and pluck it more)? This is how I see this question about body hair.

Please don't feel ridiculed. Some people only want what's best for their health, but at the same time are desperate to gain length by experimenting with different supplements and ideas posted on TLHC.

[pinchbeck]

Oh I never thought of this, my dog is doing the 'bum walk' thing across the floor, i was going to worm her this weekend, hopefully my DE will arrive soon and she can have some.My mom told me the bum walk it the dogs way of getting oils out of its glands and doesn't necessarily mean the dog has worms. Check into it and if she is wrong let me know.:D

[sarahbrownie]

I've finally had some good response with the product. Every week I take a picture of my bangs, you know, because I'm obsessive, and it's easier to tell my hair growth this way because I can see where the hair hit last time I straightened. I only style my bangs, just because I don't pin them back. The growth is about a half of inch this week! Can't wait for next week. I think the growth spurt comes from that fact I'm better at taking it everyday than 2-3 times like I'd been doing last month.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Irina21/Photo5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Irina21/Photo7.jpg

:cheese:

[LadyJennifer]

Wow, this is very interesting! I've never heard of DE. I quickly googled it and found this site:
http://www.ghorganics.com/DiatomaceousEarth.html
Is says this:
"DE is approximately 3% magnesium, 33% silicon, 19% calcium, 5% sodium, 2% iron and many other trace minerals such as titanium, boron, manganese, copper and zirconium. Diatomaceous Earth is a natural (not calcined or flux calcined) compound. Diatomaceous Earth is a natural grade diatomite. However, the continual breathing of any dust should he absolutely avoided. "

Is this the right stuff?

[LadyJennifer]

Aluminum is very toxic and has been connected to Alzheimer's.

In patients having Alzheimer's disease the brain is somewhat shrunken and, on postmortum examination, a definite loss of nervous tissue is noted. Examination of the brain tissues under a microscope reveals small bundles of material called senile plaques, scattered throughout the tissues. The more plaques that are present, the worse is the mental condition of the patient. Chemical analysis reveals the presence of the metal aluminum at the core of each plaque and within many of the cells found in the plaques. Evidence is accumulating to indicate that aluminum may be involved in the formation of the plaques, and it is therefore a prime suspect as the initial cause of the disease.

It's the same with mercury - it won't harm you so much ingesting it, but injecting it is a whole different story. Vaccines are very high in aluminum, so that is most likely the cause for the problems.

[LadyJennifer]

aluminum DOES leave the body.

aluminum is the 3rd most abundant element in the earth's crust, comprising 8.3% by weight...it is in our food, water, and any dust in the air we breathe...if aluminum never left our bodies, we'd all be Tin Men!

my (very, very rudimentary) understanding is that the bioavailability of ANY mineral depends on its molecular size/what it's bonded to/whether it's been artificially processed. this is the basis for a lot of the competition between vitamin companies..."our iron is more bioavailable than their iron", "a calcium supplement without Vitamin D and magnesium is useless", "whole-food derived vitamins are better than synthetic", etc, etc...

i think the aluminum in dirt is very different from, say, the aluminum in anti-perspirant.

please refer to my post of Oct 23rd (post #86/page 6 of this thread) for some info i found about aluminum.

"(I)f there is any toxicity of aluminium, it must be via a very specific mechanism, since total human exposure to the element in the form of naturally occurring clay in soil and dust is enormously large over a lifetime." (NIEHS/wikipedia)

that makes a lot of sense. I'm getting a lot of info from this thread!

[LadyJennifer]

Just wanted to add a quote from the ebay store about inhalation:

"&#183; DE manufacturers who work in diatomaceous earth mines 5 days/week advise inhaling it is not a problem (tho of course, don't be snuffing it) and we have not had problems when inhaling DE in small amounts. IF you have asthma or some other lung ailment, either wear a mask or be very careful when using food grade diatomaceous earth."

http://cgi.ebay.com/Natural-Food-Grade-Diatomaceous-Earth-9-lb-Perma-Guard_W0QQitemZ180391454564QQcategoryZ75582QQcmdZV iewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m8QQ_trkparmsZalgo&#37;3DMW%26i ts%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63

[CrisDee]

... you were asked if it your body hair grows faster because some of us women have sporadic facial hair and hairy legs (the latter probably only applies to me because I have hair on the top part of my legs, gross eh?). So, if I take supplements to increase my hair growth and it grows faster wouldn't my body hair also grow faster (meaning I have to shave, trim and pluck it more)? This is how I see this question about body hair....

Sounds silly, but I've noticed that my eyebrows have definitely grown more/faster! I shave my legs (to knee) every day, not sure if my leg hairs are growing faster, but I'm gonna look like John Madden soon if my eyebrows keep growing like this! I'll take it, though, to have faster hair growth! :)

[Airisuu]

my hair is dark blonde naturally i have fine highlights in mine! and hun your a 2a which i guarentee will go to a 2b as you grow, your hair is just like mine thats really good, but yours is thicker!:)

Thanks for this! I admit I wasn't entirely sure on how to classify my hair, so I decided to err on the side of caution. I think I'm so used to trying to dry it flat(ish) that there was a bit of wishful thinking involved on my part ;) I'll update my profile with the new info!

[melrose1985]

My mom told me the bum walk it the dogs way of getting oils out of its glands and doesn't necessarily mean the dog has worms. Check into it and if she is wrong let me know.:D


My dog does this from time to time. My mom had him at the vet once and they had to do this thing where they squeeze the but glands. they did say that this problem is why they do the bum walk... but there could be other reasons too... Just sharing my doggies issuse.


ETA: I've actually started really taking the DE as of this morning. I do a TBS in my drink mornign and night. I hennaed sunday so we'll see in a month!

[jojo]

UPDATE!!!

Well I started taking DE on 12th novemeber 2009 and I have grown from 27" to 28.5". I cannot believe it, in exactly 8 weeks I have got me 1.5" growth, bearing in mind in 12 months last year I got 2.5" in total!

I no longer use the MTG as I get headaches, but use mustard oil as it too has sulfer and also omega oils and stuff in it; no headaches with this. I also continue to take 3g msm, 3g of glucsamie and a mollasses and iron supplement.

My dosage of DE is 2 heaped tablespoons a day mixed in either hot chocolate or blackcurrant juice.

[Merkaba]

Awesome! I called my local Anderson's Nursery and they said they have a 4lb bag from $12. Will pick up with next paycheck.


P.S.- Looking at Lawyergirl's album she has also had some noticeable growth, I know she is also taking DE.

[LawyerGirl]

Awesome! I called my local Anderson's Nursery and they said they have a 4lb bag from $12. Will pick up with next paycheck.


P.S.- Looking at Lawyergirl's album she has also had some noticeable growth, I know she is also taking DE.


Yes, it's worked wonders for me!
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=2036&pictureid=59842

ETA: That's just shy of one month of growth.

[abritta3]

Mine won't come until Jan22-Feb 1?! Grrrrrr Oh well. I will just have to wait it out. I bet it will be worth it!:D

[chloeishere]

Crap. I just jumped on another bandwagon. I seem very susceptible to enabling today.

I got one pound of DE from an ebay seller for $7.10 with free shipping. They say it is the PermaGuard brand.

If I don't use it, I can still use it on plants, or if we get any pests in the summer. But I am totally going to try it out!

[MandyBeth]

Call me a potential case. I can't say I've seen major growth with DE having been on it for 4 years and 3 months. But I can't say I was keeping track of growth BEFORE DE. I'm good for about 1/2" a month, but my immune system is crap, I'm on enough medication to be a pharmacy and I have no reason to even get 1/2" of growth a month - so I'll say it doesn't hurt me, so I'll keep taking it.

If nothing else, I figure I don't have parasites - woohoo!

[piratejenny23]

i've noticed a few people saying that if the DE doesn't work for them, they can always use it in their garden...

i just want to point out that DE kills ALL bugs, including beneficial ones like ladybugs and honeybees. so please be careful to use it only where/when you really need it!

(it doesn't hurt earthworms)

[chloeishere]

i've noticed a few people saying that if the DE doesn't work for them, they can always use it in their garden...

i just want to point out that DE kills ALL bugs, including beneficial ones like ladybugs and honeybees. so please be careful to use it only where/when you really need it!

(it doesn't hurt earthworms)

If I use it, it will probably only be indoors, on houseplants or in the basement (or, as I said, if we are having some sort of pest problem). We don't really have a garden going yet. :)

[Gilly]

Is this the right stuff???

http://www.plantdoctor.com.au/pet-animal-health/animal-b9-food-suppliment-clone-2.html

I want to make sure as I am in Australia and would be worried ordering it from outside oz due to the customs being really strict!

[MandyBeth]

i've noticed a few people saying that if the DE doesn't work for them, they can always use it in their garden...

i just want to point out that DE kills ALL bugs, including beneficial ones like ladybugs and honeybees. so please be careful to use it only where/when you really need it!

(it doesn't hurt earthworms)

Yes, it's very powerful when you think of it. However, I've put it in a tick nest before and felt wonderfully victorious at the resulting tick massacre.

[halfbakedtulip]

Is this the right stuff???

http://www.plantdoctor.com.au/pet-animal-health/animal-b9-food-suppliment-clone-2.html

I want to make sure as I am in Australia and would be worried ordering it from outside oz due to the customs being really strict!

yes that is absolutely the right stuff! :agree:

[melrose1985]

I wanted to add in something i noticed. I track calories on sparkpeople.com, and int he morning at work i track all the food i have with me for breakfast, lunch, and snacks at work. When i got hom i was adding my dinner in and i realized i hadnt eat half of the food i brough. Like i brought with me oatmeal, fruit, salad with chicken, yogurt, soup and a granola bar. I actaully only ate the oatmeal, fruit and salad and wasnt hungry at all... It was weird.

[Gabriel]

I wanted to add in something i noticed. I track calories on sparkpeople.com, and int he morning at work i track all the food i have with me for breakfast, lunch, and snacks at work. When i got hom i was adding my dinner in and i realized i hadnt eat half of the food i brough. Like i brought with me oatmeal, fruit, salad with chicken, yogurt, soup and a granola bar. I actaully only ate the oatmeal, fruit and salad and wasnt hungry at all... It was weird.

That's the one thing I've noticed so far while taking DE too. (Haven't measured my hair growth yet.) I am not as hungry.

[melrose1985]

That's the one thing I've noticed so far while taking DE too. (Haven't measured my hair growth yet.) I am not as hungry.

Well i only started taking it regularly as of two nights ago starting at night... So we'll see. wouldnt be a bad side effect!

[Fairlight63]

I live in Wis. and in the fall or it seems most of the time we have an invasion of - they look like lady bugs but are called something else. How would you go about using DE on them? They usually like our living room patio doors when the sun hits it. Sometimes the door will be covered with them - we just keep our vac. going all the time to get rid of them.
(I am thinking of using the lady bugs & ticks as an excuse to order it when it comes in to my DH:eyebrows:)

[halfbakedtulip]

I live in Wis. and in the fall or it seems most of the time we have an invasion of - they look like lady bugs but are called something else.

Asian lady beetles~~ http://www.extension.iastate.edu/NR/rdonlyres/BE712922-5CE9-45D3-AC37-B0F872A3E7CF/18392/9203AsiaLady.jpg

[Merkaba]

A little late but thank you LawyerGirl for showing us your growth on DE

[halfbakedtulip]

my DE came in today yay!! I was starting to get worried as I hadnt gotten a shipping notice yet:cheese:

[MandyBeth]

I live in Wis. and in the fall or it seems most of the time we have an invasion of - they look like lady bugs but are called something else. How would you go about using DE on them? They usually like our living room patio doors when the sun hits it. Sometimes the door will be covered with them - we just keep our vac. going all the time to get rid of them.
(I am thinking of using the lady bugs & ticks as an excuse to order it when it comes in to my DH:eyebrows:)

Asian lady beetles? Do they smell off when you smash one?

If we are thinking of the same bug - and I'm going to think yes for now - it HELPS with them, but I can't say I've eliminated them yet. I don't think it's possible to totally remove them, and they aren't a icky bug. Mainly because they get where I can't get the DE, like in the walls and what you will. I try to seal up the cracks and such - but this is a battle with a 145 year old house. I can't get them all, no matter what I do.

I dusted my attic - which is actually where if they get inside, they LOVE to go here at least. Then I just go clean up the little corpses. There is a vast difference in that I find more who die than "normal" but I still find more. Dusting with a mix of DE and borax (in areas the animals can't reach!) seems to have kept the numbers down a bit more. If I catch them inside, simply because I don't know how to humanely kill them without making them stink - I put them in a pill bottle with some DE in it. I don't see them in nice weather, or I'd let them go outside. They are good aphid eaters.

Shrug. It's not a roach infestation, so I'm not screaming and running around in a fit. My cats love to snag 'em and *uck* they are crunchy bugs, the best out there. Plus, most chemical pesticides DON'T do anything against them. I live with the rules of don't see 'em, don't care with them. I will do what I can to get rid of them if I see them however.

[ccmuffingirl]

Congratulations on optimizing your growth! I've experienced increased growth this month due to applying castor oil to my scalp twice a week. It really does speed up hair growth!

[WaitingSoLong]

I am only about half way through this thread (just found a couple days ago) but skipped to the end to find updates and noticed the lady beetle thing. It is sort of off topic, so not sure about posting, but if you read the DE info on the web, it will tell you it is only effective against the grubs or larvae, not the adults. If you are persistent, you could sort of kill them off over years with DE. I guess.
I have done quite a bit of research on these pests and have some info you may be interested in. I will not post it here for the sake of staying on topic. PM me, I will be glad to share what I know about combatting these bugs.

[littlemoon]

first post! :D
after lurking on here for two weeks or so, i ordered two lbs of DE from morethanalive.com. it came today! i took a tablespoon in a glass of water, and the texture was a little gross to me, so i chased it with chocolate milk. the chocolate milk and the DE water had similar textures, so i see how some of you guys like mixing it with hot chocolate! ill try it with something flavored next time.

thank you all so much for helping me find out about this, even if it doesnt work as well as im hoping! im a curly girl growing out my hair till i can finally BC and leave my straightened ends behind, so anything helps. this is the first thread i read on LHC and the reason i joined :)

ill stop babbling now, and check back with any results!

[jivete]

Call me enabled. I'll check out the farm supply store tomorrow and if they don't have it, I'll order on-line. I do take MSM, Biotin, and other vitamins and I do MN before washes. I'm super close to my goal but I'm also anxious to be rid of layers and old dye damage so any help in growth is appreciated.

I also figure I can stand to be de-wormed and with one indoor/outdoor cat, we do get fleas.

[jivete]

Welcome to LHC littlemoon!

[jivete]

I found some at a holistic pet store for $6 for a lb. In the US, there is a major supplier of DE called perma-guard. They have distributors all over the country. Link:
http://perma-guard.com/index.html

[Gilly]

yes that is absolutely the right stuff! :agree:
YAY!:cheese:I ordered some yesterday, it was the Perma-guard brand, it was AU$16.00 for a kilo.
What dosage is the best for this? on the site it only mentions animals!

[melrose1985]

I'm two days in so far (taking 1TB morning and night) I noticed i'm super beat and tired from the middle of the day on. I even didnt work out tonight and i'm so beat.

Anyways, has anyone noticed this at the start of taking it? I dont have any other pains or aches either.

[shellblue1]

I just got some DE in the mail today. I ordered from Wolf Creek Ranch off of ebay and purchased 6 lbs for $19.00. No bad for that price! It is the Perma-Guard brand.

I started using it and mixed about half a teaspoon into some Dr. Pepper with ice. It fizzed up quite a bit after I put it into the drink so I'm not sure what that meant. Anyway, I only felt a tiny bit of grittiness when drinking, nothing bad and it doesn't have a noticable taste. I was kind of expecting a lot of grit and for it to be thick, but not bad so far. I started off with a smaller amount though and may move to a fulle teaspoon soon.

My hair is lightened to a light shade of blonde right now so when my darker roots begin to grow in they will be more noticable. I plan to update if I notice faster growth.

[piratejenny23]

I'm two days in so far (taking 1TB morning and night) I noticed i'm super beat and tired from the middle of the day on. I even didnt work out tonight and i'm so beat.

Anyways, has anyone noticed this at the start of taking it? I dont have any other pains or aches either.

it makes me tired, too, so i take it at night. it works out for me, because i usually have insomnia & nightmares, but i sleep pretty well when i take the DE.

i started a new (standing-on-concrete-all-day) job about 6 weeks ago, which has been causing me intense stabbing back pain, and i had also been slacking off on taking DE. however, twice this week when i took DE, i had almost zero back pain the next day. i'm not 100% sure it's the DE but i'll update if it becomes a pattern.

[piratejenny23]

YAY!:cheese:I ordered some yesterday, it was the Perma-guard brand, it was AU$16.00 for a kilo.
What dosage is the best for this? on the site it only mentions animals!

this has been *discussed* many times before, but i would say start off with *no more than* one teaspoon to make sure you don't have any adverse reactions (dehydration, headaches, detox & parasite die-off symptoms, digestion problems). you can work up to 2-3 tablespoons if you wish. some websites recommend putting DE in a large bottle of water and just drinking the water, not the "dirt" itself.

[halfbakedtulip]

this has been answered many times before, but i would say start off with one teaspoon to make sure you don't have any adverse reactions (dehydration, headaches, detox & parasite die-off symptoms, digestion problems). you can work up to 2-3 tablespoons if you wish. some websites recommend putting DE in a large bottle of water and just drinking the water, not the "dirt" itself.

Mine actually suggested starting with a 1/4 tsp and then every week go up a bit until you reach 1 TBS. So thats what Im doing cuz Im a woosy :p