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Alaskanheart
April 17th, 2008, 12:06 PM
So I have been thinking of trimming about a 1/2 inch or 1 inch. My hair seems to need it , I have old layers and so it needs to be trimmed allover, not just the hemline. I dont trust family or friends to do a good job, and I cant reach my shortest layers.

The problem is that everytime I have gone in to get my layers trimmed and 1/2 or 1 inch taken off.The hairdresser decides she needs to reshape the layers completly after already trimming my length. So I lose alot more length than I want , and the layers again need to be grown out, so my hair seems to stay in Limbo.

I havent cut in 6 months, I originally wanted to go a year, but the ends are tangly and looking out of place. I oil and mist , and do deep conditioning treatments, and lately I have been putting molasses in my conditioner and that seems to help tons, but it still needs to be trimmed, I guess because of old hair bleach and badly done layers, if my hair was blunt and natural It would probably do fine with not being cut for another 6 months.

So To stop rambling and come to a point.I am scared, it sounds silly to say but my last cut really made me fear walking into a salon. I even had some apprehension taking my son to a salon the other day, imagining that a stylist would see my hair and try to bully me into cutting.:rolleyes: True story, as crazy as I sound.

I did see an add for a local salon and on the add it said "long hair specialist", my hair isnt long by long standards, but do you think maybe that salon will be a good bet?Has anyone here had any experience with a salon like that?Also I need any advice I can get on how to make sure I am perfectly clear on what I want. I thought I was before with pictures and everything, but my hair still got chopped.

Thanks, hope that was easy to understand, I have a cold so I dont feel incredibly intelligent at the moment.

Oh and Ive been thinking about the trim for about a month or so, I might even wait another month out of fear.:shrug:

spidermom
April 17th, 2008, 12:13 PM
One thing you could do is dust your layers yourself by making a top of head ponytail, bending forward, and sliding the pony-band straight down toward the floor. It will make the ends splay out, and you can trim 1/8-inch or less from the driest-looking areas. Then go have the hem evened up.

If you'd rather have someone else trim the layers, I would recommend that you go in for a trim first - just 1/2-inch off the bottom. If that goes well, then go ahead with a trim of your layers.

Alaskanheart
April 17th, 2008, 12:23 PM
Thanks spidermom, I will def. keep both those ideas in mind.

I never thought I would be so worried about going in to get my hair cut. LHC has changed me:D

LisaButz2001
April 17th, 2008, 12:45 PM
If the stylist is a "long hair specialist" then part of the "specialization" ought to be assisting a person with "short" hair to become a "long haired" ongoing client. They should also understand your desire to grow all one length-hence no reshaping or loss of length. I'd set up a consult with the person from the ad.

mommy101405
April 17th, 2008, 12:48 PM
You could call them up and explain where you are and what you want. Then when you go in sit and talk about what you want before any shampooing starts or scissors come out.

Irishred
April 17th, 2008, 01:27 PM
To one of the mods, Would it be ok if she posted the name of the salon so others that have been there (or a chain name) may be able to comment better?

As a long hair specialist, I think they would be less likely to cut off more than you want.

misspriss
April 17th, 2008, 01:35 PM
I do not believe I will ever find a long hair specialist in my area. I am more concerned with finding a curly hair specialist, because as soon as my hair gets long enough to form curls, I'm wearing it curly all the time. I have only once gotten a good cut for my curls, but it was too short. How am I ever going to find a stylist that specializes in long, curly hair? GAH. And fits in my budget. Did I mention that one good curly haircut I got was from the Wal-Mart salon for $13? nice.

ladystar
April 17th, 2008, 01:50 PM
The first time I went to my stylist from the moment I walked in I told her not to cut too much. I even took a measuring tape. I told her I was really worried about her cutting to much because it has happen before. So then she was like no don’t worry as I was sitting down when she was about to cut I kept reminding her remember not to much PLEASE!!!! So she did the first trim and it was less than half an inch lol. She was like but that’s noting. I said just like that perfect. After that she measures and you couldn’t tell the difference thank god. So, not I go to her without a problem but again every time I go I always repeat and repeat and repeat so there is no confusion and she doesn’t forget.

harpgal
April 17th, 2008, 01:54 PM
Alaskanheart, I think there is a George Michael salon in LA and they specialize in long hair. You could not go wrong there. I think it is in Beverly Hills.

Alaskanheart
April 17th, 2008, 02:56 PM
Alaskanheart, I think there is a George Michael salon in LA and they specialize in long hair. You could not go wrong there. I think it is in Beverly Hills.

Yes my Aunt has gone there, but she's rollin. I live like an hour away, but Im afraid I cant justify spending that much money on gas or even the haircut for my hair, dont they charge like $100.00 for a cut?

Its actually surprising that my area has a specialist like that, and Im pretty sure its not a chain, and most likely affordable, I live an hour from LA an hour from San Diego, and like 45 minutes from Palm Springs, but my town is actually pretty limited . We just got a super wal-mart like 2 years ago.

I think you all are right though about the Long hair specialist , and helping people with short har grow long hair, and less likely to chop clients hair. I think I will call and see how it feels on the phone and how they answer my questions.

I wish I could take a measuring tape to the salon, but I dont have the guts to do that, I would feel like a weirdo.But then again im tired of 1/2 inch turning into 3 inches.

Alaskanheart
April 17th, 2008, 03:06 PM
To one of the mods, Would it be ok if she posted the name of the salon so others that have been there (or a chain name) may be able to comment better?

As a long hair specialist, I think they would be less likely to cut off more than you want.

I don't think its a chain... I live in a pretty small city, so I assume its just a private owned place and has maybe 1 stylist that is the actual "specialist", not so much the salon itself specializes in long hair.

TwirlyTresses
April 17th, 2008, 07:32 PM
Check out the stylist reviews at naturallycurly.com
I found a great, affordable local person through there.

Sorry I don't have any advice about the long hair stylist!


I do not believe I will ever find a long hair specialist in my area. I am more concerned with finding a curly hair specialist, because as soon as my hair gets long enough to form curls, I'm wearing it curly all the time. I have only once gotten a good cut for my curls, but it was too short. How am I ever going to find a stylist that specializes in long, curly hair? GAH. And fits in my budget. Did I mention that one good curly haircut I got was from the Wal-Mart salon for $13? nice.

birthmarkie
April 17th, 2008, 07:34 PM
When I was a trimmer, I used to ask for 1/4 inch trims. Then they know you mean an extremely small amount.

KnightsLady
April 18th, 2008, 06:17 AM
I would think it a good idea to call first and get an understanding of what their idea of long hair is.

There is a stylist in Sydney that promotes themself as a long hair specialist, but from what I've gleaned their idea of long is about shoulder length or perhaps arm pit. :shrug: At least that's what they've suggested I cut my hair to - and apparently "it would still be long!"

Carolyn
April 18th, 2008, 09:10 AM
Don't feel embarrassed about taking a measuring tape. Remember YOU are the customer and the customer is always right! I wouldn't say "small trim". I'd say " I want you to trim 1/4" (or whatever you want)and also tell her you've had too much cut before and are worried about it happening again. Stress that you want only the tippy tips cut off. Ask to see how much she intends to cut before she actually cuts off anything. You can also take a friend with you to watch and see what the stylist is doing. If you can possibly go to the GM salon you would be in for a treat.

k_hepburn
April 18th, 2008, 09:30 AM
heidi_w. recently posted a thread (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=554) describing her experience visiting the GM / Madora long hair specialist salon in New York. It sounded like a really wonderful experience.

But then "long hair specialist" is not a formal qualification, so you want to make sure it's more than just an advertising tool.

While I understand your frustration at loosing more length then you wanted (and indicated to the hairdresser) I can kind of understand that a hairdresser won't just be able to maintain the layers from a previous cut (especially if they are layers on top of longer layers, rather than just face framing ones). Without wanting to say so in a too direct manner, they may not consider the previous cut to have been done to their own professional standards , so they might feel the need to start from scratch. Similarly, hair sometimes grows a little unevenly, so after a cut has grown out for a number of months, the layers may not be in a very good shape any more, again making it (at least subjectively) the better deicision to start afresh. Plus, if you are talking all over and through and through layers, it probably isn't all that easy to just "maintain" them. After all, you would have to nail down the exact strands of hair the previous hairdresser chose to cut the layers into to shorten them by an equal distance. I imagine that would be pretty hard to do, especially in wet hair. Of course, as mentioned, if you were basically asking to get a u-shaped hemline, nothing else, that would be a different matter.

Hope you'll find a good hairdresser and have a nice and enjoyable salon experience.

katharine

Tapioca
April 18th, 2008, 10:35 AM
Okay. An hour from LA, an hour from San Diego, and 45 minutes from Palm Springs. Describes me pretty well. I'm in Riverside, and I've found a place that is cheap and will *listen* when I tell them that I only want 1/2 an inch. They do nice deep treatments, too. Great Clips. There's one in Riverside, and one in Moreno Valley. It's about $10, and maybe another $10 if you want the deep treat.

Alaskanheart
April 18th, 2008, 12:53 PM
Okay. An hour from LA, an hour from San Diego, and 45 minutes from Palm Springs. Describes me pretty well. I'm in Riverside, and I've found a place that is cheap and will *listen* when I tell them that I only want 1/2 an inch. They do nice deep treatments, too. Great Clips. There's one in Riverside, and one in Moreno Valley. It's about $10, and maybe another $10 if you want the deep treat.


Yes Im in riverside county too umm San Jacinto...lol Moreno valley is like a 15-20 minute drive. Ill check it out.

Periwinkle
April 18th, 2008, 01:00 PM
$100 for a cut? Are haircuts a lot cheaper stateside, then? That's only 50...I payed 20 the other day for a wet cut by a new girl at a cheap-ish salon.

Alaskanheart
April 18th, 2008, 02:50 PM
$100 for a cut? Are haircuts a lot cheaper stateside, then? That's only 50...I payed 20 the other day for a wet cut by a new girl at a cheap-ish salon.

Usually a cut will cost $15.00-$45 from my experience in my area, but I was taking a guess on how much a cut at George Micheal Salon in Beverly Hills would cost, might be more than that.

florenonite
April 18th, 2008, 03:27 PM
$100 for a cut? Are haircuts a lot cheaper stateside, then? That's only 50...I payed 20 the other day for a wet cut by a new girl at a cheap-ish salon.

Most things are cheaper in North America.

birdiefu
April 18th, 2008, 10:42 PM
I'm getting a GM treatment and trim tomorrow (in Northern Virginia). I know the treatment is $55 for my length of hair, didn't really ask about the trim but figured it had to be less than that. Anyhow, I did have a consultation before hand and would encourage anyone to do so to feel out the stylist.

movie zombie
April 19th, 2008, 12:14 AM
well, i did it a couple of times: LA long hair specialist that flies up to San Francisco every couple of months: $175.00. she was good. but i didn't like the product pitch.

movie zombie

Nevermore
April 19th, 2008, 02:13 AM
Alaskanheart: Whipping out a tape measure, repeating yourself constantly about how much you want taken off and generally being "weird" is pretty much the only way that you'll get a satisfactory cut. If they think you're a bit nutty, all the better because they'll be more careful.

I'd just self-trim though, it's cheaper than getting professionally cut and you control exactly how much/how little is taken off.

AmandaPanda
April 19th, 2008, 09:07 AM
I'm getting a GM treatment and trim tomorrow (in Northern Virginia). I know the treatment is $55 for my length of hair, didn't really ask about the trim but figured it had to be less than that. Anyhow, I did have a consultation before hand and would encourage anyone to do so to feel out the stylist.

Lucky! I want to go there someday!

angelthadiva
April 19th, 2008, 09:31 AM
I've recently stopped going to salons; actually just before joining LHC...I'd take my own combs and detangle my own hair and dry my own hair WITH THEIR HAIR DRYER!! So, taking a tape measure with you to show exactly how much you want taken off; in my book, is totally acceptable.

YOU know your hair better than anyone else..I don't care if they took classes, and are professionals...Most salons DO NOT know how to cater to long haired clients...Not when they come at a wurly/curly girl w/wet hair w/a nobby bush to try to detangle...And starting at the roots too? That's why I detangle myself, thank you very much! I ended up teaching them a thing or two! ;)

Most of the salon gals would just gush over my hair and complain about their own, wondering why they couldn't get theirs to grow...My thoughts were that their hair being 3 different colors w/bleached highlights and flat ironed w/in an inch of it's life MIGHT have something to do with it, but then again, I'm NO expert! ;)

Good luck in which ever choice you make!

Ps. You could "train" a family member to do it! DH is frugal, and all about saving $--When he found out how much a salon visit was; he was very eager to learn how to cut my hair, and he does...AND DOES A GREAT JOB!! He also cuts his own hair and our oldest son's too. I cut DS13 and DD6's hair...I should post a picture of us, we don't LOOK like we've had homemade hair cuts!

akiss4lexie
May 19th, 2008, 12:12 AM
Alaskanheart, your situation sounds a lot like mine. I'm also growing out layers (which have gotten pretty scraggly lately) and I have some 2-yr-old highlights on the top layers.

I second the idea of self-trimming. I like being able to just take a little bit of damage off. I realize that because my hair is growing, it's not in a very well-shaped style. I don't want that right now - my tactic is to grow out everything, especially those darn short layers, and shape it later when I've reached my goal length. Most stylists don't seem to understand this, because they're used to giving "finished products" - perfectly shaped, damage-free hairstyles.

Also, for me personally, it's hard for me to be firm with people, and so even if they did something with my hair that I didn't like, I'd be more inclined to just take it, rather than speak up. So I avoid putting myself in that situation altogether by just doing my own trims.

As for techniques, you can do either wet or dry trimming. I've found that with wet hair, it's easier to separate the layers; and since my hair is wavy, it makes it easier to do a clean cut. But on the flip side, I'm not good at estimating "shrinkage," so when my hair dries I find out I cut off more than I intended to. So I'll cut dry if I'm trying to be really careful about preserving length.



I'm getting a GM treatment and trim tomorrow (in Northern Virginia).

There's a GM salon in Northern VA? My bf is originally from Vienna, VA - he'll be home for the summer. Maybe when I visit him I'll check out the salon.. is it anywhere near there?

Starr
May 19th, 2008, 12:30 AM
Okay. An hour from LA, an hour from San Diego, and 45 minutes from Palm Springs. Describes me pretty well. I'm in Riverside, and I've found a place that is cheap and will *listen* when I tell them that I only want 1/2 an inch. They do nice deep treatments, too. Great Clips. There's one in Riverside, and one in Moreno Valley. It's about $10, and maybe another $10 if you want the deep treat.


I live right around the corner from a Great Clips. . . If I had known it was that cheap I would have gone in for a trim a long time ago! I'll have to check them out. . .

flapjack
May 19th, 2008, 12:33 AM
Okay. An hour from LA, an hour from San Diego, and 45 minutes from Palm Springs. Describes me pretty well. I'm in Riverside, and I've found a place that is cheap and will *listen* when I tell them that I only want 1/2 an inch. They do nice deep treatments, too. Great Clips. There's one in Riverside, and one in Moreno Valley. It's about $10, and maybe another $10 if you want the deep treat.



Really? I'm in Northridge and I'm close to Beverly Hills but I still can't justify that much for a small haircut. But, my brother goes to UCR so I might go to the one in Riverside the next time I visit him.

Nynaeve
May 19th, 2008, 12:46 AM
Thanks spidermom, I will def. keep both those ideas in mind.

I never thought I would be so worried about going in to get my hair cut. LHC has changed me:D

Haha. Yep. I was worried about getting my hair cut the times I actually wanted a big chop, places that cater to short hair always cut off way more than you ask them to. One time, I asked for my hair to get cut to mid-neck so it would dry at my chin, and they cut it at a place above my chin so it dried at the top of my ear. :rolleyes:


If the stylist is a "long hair specialist" then part of the "specialization" ought to be assisting a person with "short" hair to become a "long haired" ongoing client. They should also understand your desire to grow all one length-hence no reshaping or loss of length. I'd set up a consult with the person from the ad.

Setting up a consult would be a fabulous idea if you have the time (and other things required) since this is such a big deal for you, you'll want to know if the person seems trustworthy enough to not chop everything off.




What's a GM treatment?

Tangles
May 19th, 2008, 12:51 AM
Just do it. Your hair will thank you. Trims are nothing to fear.