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NickalNack
July 18th, 2009, 01:25 PM
... but it required you to cut off all of your hair and never grow it back, would you take the job?

camara
July 18th, 2009, 01:35 PM
Yes.

It is only hair, after all.

My job situation is frustrating, and if what you suggested were possible, I was going to cut off my hair in an instant. It is not so, however, and so I´ll stay a longhair. :)

SHELIAANN1969
July 18th, 2009, 01:59 PM
No, I would pretend to cut my hair and sport a wig, and if the company found out I was wearing a wig and had long hair underneath, and tried to fire me, I would sue their pants off! :D

DiyaC
July 18th, 2009, 02:06 PM
SHELIAANN1969,

You're a genius :). That's a brilliant way of getting what you want without sacrificing anything.

darkwaves
July 18th, 2009, 02:07 PM
For me, it wouldn't be the job opportunity of a lifetime if the employer wanted to force me to change the way I look.

(What comes next -- insisting I stop wearing glasses?)

nowxisxforever
July 18th, 2009, 02:12 PM
No, because there are no jobs that could realistically demand you sport short hair. A bob, shoulder-length, etc. "short" hair will get in the way and look less businesslike than long hair pulled back in a bun.

demitasse
July 18th, 2009, 02:13 PM
If it truly was my dream job in every other way, of course. I grow this hair because I like it. I'd cut it and never look back. It's just hair. I've certainly chopped it off in the past for things less trivial than my perfect job. :shrug:

ETA: The original poster was posing a hypothetical, not a realistic question.

Heidi_234
July 18th, 2009, 02:14 PM
No, because there are no jobs that could realistically demand you sport short hair. A bob, shoulder-length, etc. "short" hair will get in the way and look less businesslike than long hair pulled back in a bun.
Army maybe? I mean, I'm not sure if women have to cut their hair too, but maybe - if they do?

lacereza
July 18th, 2009, 02:38 PM
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jera
July 18th, 2009, 02:54 PM
Actually, that very thing happened to my ex BF which is, in part, why he's an ex BF. :( His hair was shoulder length, thick, wavy, and a beautiful reddish brown. He was wealthy and didn't need to work at all, so it irked me that he would surrender his principles so easily like that. :pumpkin:

JamieRose
July 18th, 2009, 02:57 PM
...Yes. Sadly.

RavennaNight
July 18th, 2009, 03:01 PM
It would be funny to ask this question again when the economy starts booming again and there isn't such a shortage of work to be found.

neon-dream
July 18th, 2009, 03:05 PM
Definitely not. It's not the job of a lifetime if I'm not allowed to look the way I want to.

wintersun99
July 18th, 2009, 03:48 PM
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swanns
July 18th, 2009, 03:55 PM
I already know what I want to do and that in no way requires me to have certain looks, if it did though, I would, but I know it doesn't, so ha :D

nowxisxforever
July 18th, 2009, 03:56 PM
Army maybe? I mean, I'm not sure if women have to cut their hair too, but maybe - if they do?

We've got several military members here, they don't have to cut their hair.

It's just that there isn't any REASON for it. It's not safer with short hair (long hair can be more securely pinned up than a bob can), even in industries where hair can be caught in things, I'd imagine. Anything longer than a shaved head or a pixie has the potential to get in your face, obscuring your vision, get caught on things, etc-- and long hair up in a bun is secured, so not prone to being caught on things.

A lot of the places that want hair short mostly state in their materials "above the collar"-- and a bun would work in this situation.

wintersun99
July 18th, 2009, 04:11 PM
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jojo
July 18th, 2009, 04:22 PM
Heck no! but then im already in the job of my dreams and have to wear it up, so its a LHC friendly job!

KarpatiiSiv
July 18th, 2009, 04:50 PM
To me it wouldn't be the job opportunity of a lifetime if the employer was asking me to change the way I look. Luckly in the profession I am in this is never likely to be a problem.

MermaidGirl
July 18th, 2009, 04:56 PM
SHELIAANN1969,

You're a genius :). That's a brilliant way of getting what you want without sacrificing anything.

This. She's a crafty lady, that Sheilaann!

GlassEyes
July 18th, 2009, 04:58 PM
I plan to sport a wig anyway if this happens.

My perfect job is being an author...which isn't really conducive to having to change my hair. But if there was a great job that I absolutely HAD to cut my hair for...it's a possibility, as much as I hate to admit it.

Money isn't everything...but more of it would certainly help. xD;

NickalNack
July 18th, 2009, 05:49 PM
*Does the job require this for health/safety reasons (there are plenty of "dream jobs" out there that have restrictions on length of hair, facial hair, etc. due to safety standards and very real "on the job" dangers)...

**If not, than what's the reason for the requirement? If for prejudice, than no, I wouldn't take the job. :)

1.) Not really, in my mind. By the way, I'm not talking about a bob here. I mean real short hair. Pixie at most.

2.) It's not so much prejudice as it is the boss or "head" or what-have-you seeing just how far you'll go to get this job. I'm imagining it as a sort of job that's so great that it requires some sort of livable sacrifice that doesn't actually cause physical harm, but it takes out out of your comfort zone. Keep in mind that I said it was the job opportunity of a lifetime... not necessarily the ticket to your perfect life.

By the way, my answer would probably be no. Being super rich and whatever isn't really on my list of top priorities. Although, I am 17, unemployed, live with my parents, and have never actually had to worry about my own money a day in my life (yet). It is just hair after all, and I do look really cute with my hair this way, so who knows. Maybe my point of view will change with time.

nowxisxforever
July 18th, 2009, 06:22 PM
Not contradicting, just adding a thought... this isn't long hair related'ish, but relevant to the idea that some industries do have their reasons... for instance, firefighting requires that you cannot have a beard (mustache ok) and the reason for this is that the breathing tank masks do not fit correctly/sealed correctly with facial hair.

So in some cases, though we may not know the reason or imagine a good reason, unless we ask... the reason itself, can be legit...

I understand beards, but... so far as head hair. What's a situation where long hair up in a bun would be disallowed, is what I'm getting at.

Buddaphlyy
July 18th, 2009, 06:27 PM
No. Because cutting my hair would make me unhappy. And if I'm unhappy at the job, it's obviously not the job that I dreamed of having.

Copasetic
July 18th, 2009, 06:27 PM
Absolutely. Financial security is more important to me than having long hair.

ladylibra
July 18th, 2009, 07:26 PM
Interesting question.

For the most part, I'd say no. For the same reason I wouldn't take a job if they told me I had to straighten my hair. It's my hair, I'll do as I please with it! :p I keep it clean, and styled appropriately - that should be enough.

Realistically... I have a son to feed. I'd rather be financially secure and bald with my son taken care of, than a homeless Rapunzel. (And, I've been homeless before... lemme tell ya, it's not fun. :( )

Fortunately, I've not had to make that choice. :D

Natalia
July 18th, 2009, 07:43 PM
Nope never. I ned to be happy with myself to perform well if they wont take me as i am its not my dream job. Besides im fairly flexable and while i may not find the physical enviornment "dreamy" i could do my dream job in basicly any city anywhere. As SHELIAANN1969 said id just buy a wig. Ive wanted one just to go incognito sometimes so why not at work? Im well groomed and a good worker why would someone turn me down becasue of hair? Thats just silly :p

Madame J
July 18th, 2009, 07:46 PM
Nope. If they require me to change my appearance to get the job, it's not the job for me. Caving to that kind of demand from a potential employer sets the wrong tone for an employee-employer relationship -- it's not about forcing your workers to conform to your personal ideas of physical appearance but cultivating a workplace full of qualified, creative, and driven people.

And anyway, I wouldn't need to cut my hair because I've learned how to keep it back enough to prevent setting it on fire with the lasers. Again.

hydrangea
July 18th, 2009, 07:48 PM
No, I would pretend to cut my hair and sport a wig, and if the company found out I was wearing a wig and had long hair underneath, and tried to fire me, I would sue their pants off! :D


Excellent! I second this idea. You will be the same employee to them with or without long hair.

mwedzi
July 18th, 2009, 07:51 PM
Wait, we'd have to go completely bald?

NickalNack
July 18th, 2009, 07:52 PM
No. Just a short pixie. But you can never grow it longer than that.

ChatoyantLocks
July 18th, 2009, 07:59 PM
Absolutely not! Any job that required me to cut my hair could not possibly be my dream job, by definition! Now, a job where my long hair was seen as an asset - that has possibilities!

Laylah
July 18th, 2009, 08:11 PM
I would put a scarf over my hair and tell them it's a cultural/religious thing. Unless that's not allowed either?

noelgirl
July 18th, 2009, 08:14 PM
Probably not, if only because a job that arbitrarily restricts appearance to such an extent is probably very strict in other areas too, and would likely clash with my personality.

The one exception would be if I ever actually made it as an actress and had to cut it for a great role, since there's usually a good reason why a character has to look a certain way. I'd consider that, but that's not a "never grow it back" situation. Even then, I'd try to go for a wig first.

Roseate
July 18th, 2009, 08:23 PM
Sure! I liked a pixie for a while, I could have one again.

In my 'dream job' universe, this is a research or conservation job at a world-class museum. I'd keep the job for a couple years, learn a lot, have a good time and get a great reference from them when I quit. I'd use my impressive experience to get a slightly less flashy but still good postion elsewhere, and then grow my hair again. I wouldn't hesitate for a second!

manderly
July 18th, 2009, 08:40 PM
Yes yes 100% YES.

If I could find a job I loved and gave me both financial security and the income to live at a comfortable means, then absofarkinglutely yes.

For those of you who aren't stuggling with being unemployed and balking at the idea of taking a $10/hr job just for the sake of working, then you are lucky. In reality, this is just hair, and there are so many more important things than that.

I have come very close to losing my home several times in the last 2 years. I even had a foreclosure notice taped to my front door a few months ago. You don't have to twist my arm.

Of course, I am looking at this as more of a rhetorical question, so I'm not going to get into the logic and logistics of this argument, as a job that would ask that is really not really believable. I'm looking at this as how much do I value my hair over a great career?

wintersun99
July 18th, 2009, 09:53 PM
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Wicked Princess
July 18th, 2009, 11:02 PM
I've met women in several job positions that require them to have hair short enough to be able to fit underneath a mask and helmet. My cousin has fine hair that is about bsl, and she is perfectly able to french braid her hair, and still tuck the ends underneath, assuring that all her hair is off her neck and away from her face. She wants longer hair but she loves her job, so that's what she does :)

As a sad, sorry note, men cannot have hair by the same standards. For example, women in the army are allowed longer hair than men. /sigh Equal needs to mean equal...

In any case, I do not foresee myself doing any job that would require me to cut my hair. I work in a lab, and even in a full hazmat suit (and I rarely, if ever need to use THAT) I can wear my hair up.

Now, if someone paid me a couple million dollars and said I could...say...go on space shuttles for free, or something far fetched like that...THEN I would cut it, haha. With that kind of opportunity and money, I'm pretty sure I could find some way to comfort myself :)

RancheroTheBee
July 18th, 2009, 11:07 PM
Seeing as this is all hypothetical, hale yeah I would. By the way, my dream job would be to own a zoo, and my only duty would be to cuddle chimps and help elephants paint things. I could deal with a pixie for that.

shadowclaw
July 18th, 2009, 11:17 PM
Realistically, my perfect job opportunities would be situations that would definitely not require a hair cut. My first choice would be a fiction author... working from home and sending out manuscripts would hardly warrant a hair cut. Choice number two is to work in a computer forensics lab helping to solve crime... I doubt that would require a haircut either.

But since this is indeed hypothetical and if either job required me to snip my hair... I would like to say that I wouldn't, but considering I have a a steep student loan bill that I'll start making payments on in about a year and a half, and good jobs are scarce for the inexperienced, I might just do it and hopefully in time a different job would present itself.

Of course, since this is all hypothetical, if the dream job popped up, I would be making a lot of money in either situation (a best-selling author brings in a good amount of money, and computer forensic specialists in the private sector can get over $100 per hour), in a few years I could have the loans paid off and plenty of money saved. Then I could quit the job and grow back the hair.

longhairedfairy
July 18th, 2009, 11:29 PM
For me, it wouldn't be the job opportunity of a lifetime if the employer wanted to force me to change the way I look.

(What comes next -- insisting I stop wearing glasses?)
What she said.:)

AnnaMarie
July 18th, 2009, 11:39 PM
Yes absolutely!

spidermom
July 18th, 2009, 11:43 PM
I've often thought that if I could go snorkeling every day, I'd cut my hair very short because the strap that holds the mask on is not a friend of long hair. So for sure; I'd sacrifice the hair if the job were something that I really wanted.

drquartz1970
July 18th, 2009, 11:47 PM
None of this needs to be applicable of course, when you are self-employed and your own boss........

redcelticcurls
July 18th, 2009, 11:51 PM
Well, I have kept it so that I can still get a gas mask securely over my military updo, so I suppose I have limited my length for that. If it comes to hair or breathing good air, I'll pick good air. :)

BranwenWolf
July 18th, 2009, 11:52 PM
It wouldn't be the job of a lifetime if it had such ridiculous dress standards.
Even the most tightwad places I can think of will still take a tidy bun.

redcelticcurls
July 19th, 2009, 12:00 AM
Army maybe? I mean, I'm not sure if women have to cut their hair too, but maybe - if they do?

Well, I can speak for the Navy.

It has to above the bottom edge of the collar. It has to be in a neat and tidy updo. Sock bun is good, cinnabun isn't, although people do get away with them. Single French braid with end tucked under is good. Cornrows are good under if they are done a certain way. No portion of the bulk of the hair may exceed 2 inches, which may well limit length. If your bun sticks out 3 inches from your scalp, you'll have to find another updo or cut your hair. The hair also cannot interfere with the wearing of headgear.

Low sock buns are the most common updo followed by the French braid. Buns that are of a wide width would interfere with the headgear.

ladylibra
July 19th, 2009, 12:15 AM
Interestingly, a lot of us women are saying this is unrealistic. But I've seen and heard of this very dilemna for men quite often... not for job opportunities of a lifetime, nor long hair by this board's standards.

One of my best guy friends only had 4 inches of hair, it was gorgeous - thick, jet black and just the right length for his big curls to form... now he's got a buzz cut. :( All because he interviewed for a bus boy job, and the manager told my friend he would need a "clean cut look" to work there. Really? Hair hinders your ability to pick dishes up off a table? :rolleyes:

shadowclaw
July 19th, 2009, 12:52 AM
Well, I can speak for the Navy.

It has to above the bottom edge of the collar. It has to be in a neat and tidy updo.

Do you mean the hair style must by above the collar, or the hair when it is down? I ask because my fiance was in the Marines, and he told me about several women who had BSL or longer hair and kept it in small, tight buns. One in particular had almost waist-length hair, but it was very thin and fine and made a very tiny bun.

ericthegreat
July 19th, 2009, 01:23 AM
In a word, NO!!!!!!!!!!!

My job opportunity of a lifetime would NOT demand that I cut my hair or do anything that is irreversible to my body. Sure, I'll put on a uniform, that can easily be taken off when I go home. But requiring that you forever alter how you personally want to express yourself just so that you fit into their company image? F**k that! Any job that would require that I give up my freedom to be who I am is NOT my desired job to begin with.

redcelticcurls
July 19th, 2009, 01:52 AM
Do you mean the hair style must by above the collar, or the hair when it is down? I ask because my fiance was in the Marines, and he told me about several women who had BSL or longer hair and kept it in small, tight buns. One in particular had almost waist-length hair, but it was very thin and fine and made a very tiny bun.

The "up" hair has to be above the bottom edge of the collar.

The longest I've seen IRL on a military person was top-of-hip length. Much longer than that can get tedious or too big even in a uniform updo.

HotRag
July 19th, 2009, 02:03 AM
In a word, NO!!!!!!!!!!!

My job opportunity of a lifetime would NOT demand that I cut my hair or do anything that is irreversible to my body. Sure, I'll put on a uniform, that can easily be taken off when I go home. But requiring that you forever alter how you personally want to express yourself just so that you fit into their company image? F**k that! Any job that would require that I give up my freedom to be who I am is NOT my desired job to begin with.
Agree.

And long hair is not a very odd attribute. But sure, if I want to work as a short hair model, I have to cut it and would want it ^_^

Almandine
July 19th, 2009, 08:10 AM
I suppose.... I mean, if it meant I could have THE job I've been yearning for, just exactly the way I want it, and have it be actually successful (since this is a hypothetical) then I suppose yes I would. I'd look cute with short hair anyway, and when I retired I'd grow it all back. Then again this is all hypothetical. So, short answer, yeah.

crikey
July 19th, 2009, 09:15 AM
I'm assuming this is a purely hypothetical situation along the lines of a fairy godmother offering a dream job/wish in exchange for a sacrifice of your hair, rather than a rule from an employer or a job-safety issue: so yes, absolutely.

biggeorge
July 19th, 2009, 09:37 AM
My dream job is actually one where long hair is accepted more than just about anywhere else. I wish I had the talent to make a living performing musically. http://www.cosgan.de/images/midi/musik/l030.gif

LisaButz2001
July 19th, 2009, 09:46 AM
The key word is NEVER grow it back, so my answer is NO!

EvaSimone
July 19th, 2009, 09:49 AM
If I had to shave my head no.

If I had to get a bob or above shoulder length cut of my choice heck yeah!!!

I am definitely a long hair and like it, but I'd rather have the job of a life time than just some long hair.

Rivanariko
July 19th, 2009, 12:16 PM
In a heartbeat. I love my hair, but my dreams are much, much bigger.
However, my dream job has nothing to do with a corporate image, and many of the women in my field keep their hair cropped very very short for convenience purposes. I will admit, not having to worry about trying to pin it all neatly under a top hat is enticing...

However, in the hypothetical situation suggested, with a boss just seeing how far you're willing to go, no. I don't want to work for anyone who would toy with me like that, no matter how amazing the job is.

Toadstool
July 19th, 2009, 01:54 PM
Yes. Definitely. But I'd like a long fringe if possible!

Beatnik Guy
July 19th, 2009, 02:08 PM
I'm confused -- "dream job" would appear to be oxymoron. :silly:

And, no. I don't want to work for an organization that is so blinkered.

jera
July 19th, 2009, 02:42 PM
To me it wouldn't be the job opportunity of a lifetime if the employer was asking me to change the way I look. Luckly in the profession I am in this is never likely to be a problem.

I totally agree with this. How can it be considered the the job opportunity of a lifetime if you're not 100% accepted for looking the way you do? :confused:

I'd insist it was a violation of my civil rights to issue me such an ultimatum. Then I'd sue them if they insisted. :D

Speckla
July 19th, 2009, 02:49 PM
No. I don't want a job based on looks.

WritingPrincess
July 19th, 2009, 02:52 PM
No, I would pretend to cut my hair and sport a wig, and if the company found out I was wearing a wig and had long hair underneath, and tried to fire me, I would sue their pants off! :D

That's exactly what I wanted to say! I love it!

Schmoomunitions
July 19th, 2009, 02:55 PM
Id cut it off immediately!

Roseate
July 19th, 2009, 02:58 PM
Well, I can speak for the Navy.
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No portion of the bulk of the hair may exceed 2 inches, which may well limit length. If your bun sticks out 3 inches from your scalp, you'll have to find another updo or cut your hair. The hair also cannot interfere with the wearing of headgear.
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Buns that are of a wide width would interfere with the headgear.

I've never read the actual regulations before- I would have to cut my hair if I was in the military! My hair is big, even at shorter lengths. I'm not sure I could get it into something that's less than 2" out, and not wide. I'd definitely have to work on my hair-compacting skillz.

lora410
July 19th, 2009, 02:58 PM
Nope. If they demand you to change, then I can only imagine how they treat employees once they work there.

Eden Iris
July 19th, 2009, 03:03 PM
Yes, without hesitation. Hypothetically speaking, or if you are, say, bringing a genie into it who requires a hair sacrifice to grant wishes, because my dream job happens at home and I wouldn't have to see any coworkers, ever.

Tangles
July 19th, 2009, 03:04 PM
No, but as Manderly said this is really more of an "inherent values" question than a realistic dilemma.

My limits are as follows. I would rather have to wear my hair shoulder length all my life than have a job that made me miserable or to be in want for a significant length of time. I don't value super lengths all that much; it's icing on the cake. For me to cut to pixie length, though, I can't consider that rhetorically, because it would take a real dilemma to make me even consider it.

Tap Dancer
July 19th, 2009, 04:24 PM
No. I can't imagine wanting any job enough to be told I have to look a certain way. I've tried short hair and I didn't like it. I don't look good with short hair and I'd always feel ugly.

Bianca
July 19th, 2009, 05:12 PM
No, absolutely not...!

young&reckless
July 19th, 2009, 06:38 PM
Oh heck no!

Family, personal happyness:disco:, job.

Order not subject to change for any reason.

Jemoiselle
July 19th, 2009, 07:07 PM
No, because there are no jobs that could realistically demand you sport short hair. A bob, shoulder-length, etc. "short" hair will get in the way and look less businesslike than long hair pulled back in a bun.

Hehe, I've got one for ya. In Vegas I worked in film. There were plenty of castings I heard of that required trendy cuts only for the part and wigs wouldn't cut it. If I showed up for a casting with TB length hair for a racy ford commercial I don't know how that would go hehe. That was in my growing it out length, mid back. Not to say there aren't parts for long hairs as well, but there are indeed jobs where it wouldn't be allowed and a cut would be asked of you.

Using this scenario for me, I could say "If my agent came to me and said they had a role for me in a small new show to air on HBO but it would require heavy method acting, including me shaving my head during a breakdown scene, would I take it?" I once got a role on scare tactics as a crazy gypsy because of my hair alone, LOL! No casting call required, they saw my hair at the agent's office! "She looks crazy, yep she's perfect" :cheese:

That is the exception of course!:p I almost forgot to answer the original question: a job that required that of me would not be my ultimate dream job, though no doubt it might be tempting. That would be a no go for me!

wintersun99
July 19th, 2009, 08:19 PM
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Natalia
July 19th, 2009, 09:29 PM
Yes yes 100% YES.

If I could find a job I loved and gave me both financial security and the income to live at a comfortable means, then absofarkinglutely yes.

For those of you who aren't stuggling with being unemployed and balking at the idea of taking a $10/hr job just for the sake of working, then you are lucky. In reality, this is just hair, and there are so many more important things than that.

I have come very close to losing my home several times in the last 2 years. I even had a foreclosure notice taped to my front door a few months ago. You don't have to twist my arm.

Of course, I am looking at this as more of a rhetorical question, so I'm not going to get into the logic and logistics of this argument, as a job that would ask that is really not really believable. I'm looking at this as how much do I value my hair over a great career?

Thats a very hard position to be in :grouphug: and mu parrents have been there when i was a kid and my sibblings have each been through it. But.... I sort of take after my dad. As he says "id rather be happy digging ditches for dirt cheap than wearing a monkey suit in a mansion". If i can eat and have a roof (albeit maybe a small one or even a shelter and a storage unit) im ok. I cant live for someone else even if that means a smaller paycheck. I have a stubborn desire to live for me, since im only providing for myself no harm done. Not sure if im going to have kids but they would certainly change that :). I hope you find something good and stable :D

ReddishRocks
July 19th, 2009, 11:09 PM
Yep. I loved my hair when it was a pixie, so I don't think I'd be overwrought with regret.

http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x143/ReddishRocks/Dec99.jpg

wendyg
July 20th, 2009, 05:55 AM
noelgirl: in the Wikipedia entry for the actress Wendy Richard, it notes than when she was cast as the down-trodden working class Pauline Fowler in the soap EastEnders, the producers told the actress that her very long hair was too glamorous for the role and she'd have to cut it. She knew the role was a great part and she'd be crazy to turn it down, and so she agreed - Pauline's hair started in 1985 at about shoulder length and I'm told was much shorter by the time she left the show in 2006. The entry notes that she had spent years growing it and the cut was so traumatic she cried for a whole day over it.

Personally, I think the producers were wrong in that you can make long hair look decidedly unglamorous. But a woman of that class at that age (40ish at the start) at that time would certainly have had shorter hair. And producing two half hour shows a week I imagine wigs would have just been burdensome. But still...

wg

Heidi_234
July 20th, 2009, 11:13 AM
Well, I can speak for the Navy.

It has to above the bottom edge of the collar. It has to be in a neat and tidy updo. Sock bun is good, cinnabun isn't, although people do get away with them. Single French braid with end tucked under is good. Cornrows are good under if they are done a certain way. No portion of the bulk of the hair may exceed 2 inches, which may well limit length. If your bun sticks out 3 inches from your scalp, you'll have to find another updo or cut your hair. The hair also cannot interfere with the wearing of headgear.

Low sock buns are the most common updo followed by the French braid. Buns that are of a wide width would interfere with the headgear.
Thank you so much :flower:, weirdly I find it all quite interesting (I wasn't even aware women serve in armies until recently, even though it didn't surprise me that much either, it's just feels like a whole new world unraveling in a split second :o). By french braid tuck under do you mean it is tuck under the collar of the shirt?

Petra
July 20th, 2009, 11:17 AM
In a heartbeat.
Strictly answering the hypothetical question with no regard to "why you'd have to or not", Yep. It is the career opportunity of a lifetime, and for me its just hair. There are all sorts of fun crazy things you can do with a short haircut, I'm thinking mohawk.

redcelticcurls
July 20th, 2009, 11:34 AM
Thank you so much :flower:, weirdly I find it all quite interesting (I wasn't even aware women serve in armies until recently, even though it didn't surprise me that much either, it's just feels like a whole new world unraveling in a split second :o). By french braid tuck under do you mean it is tuck under the collar of the shirt?

No, it's sort of tucked up into the scalp if that makes sense.

If I do a French braid in the back of my head, I don't pull it super tight. After I braid the tail, i can tuck the tail up under the scalp portion of the braid. The end result looks like the tucked French braid here (http://www.frannyslonghairstyles.com/updos.htm).

Luckily right now I'm just in the Reserves. I have had about 13 active years where I had to put it up tightly every day because I also have to pull the curls straight too. That does do a number on the hair. I'm at a length/thickness combo right now where it's a challenge, but I retire October 1st so I don't feel the need to trim it up.

Heidi_234
July 20th, 2009, 12:01 PM
No, it's sort of tucked up into the scalp if that makes sense.

If I do a French braid in the back of my head, I don't pull it super tight. After I braid the tail, i can tuck the tail up under the scalp portion of the braid. The end result looks like the tucked French braid here (http://www.frannyslonghairstyles.com/updos.htm).

Luckily right now I'm just in the Reserves. I have had about 13 active years where I had to put it up tightly every day because I also have to pull the curls straight too. That does do a number on the hair. I'm at a length/thickness combo right now where it's a challenge, but I retire October 1st so I don't feel the need to trim it up.
Yeah now I see, thanks.
And congratulations, I guess now you can really grow you hair as long as it gets. :D :D

enfys
July 20th, 2009, 12:24 PM
No chance. I'd end up divorced. DH2B has a very strong preference for long hair, and wouldn't find me attractive with hair as short as his. No job is worth more than my husband thinking I'm beautiful. I'd feel ugly, but he'd have to see it. I'd never hear the end of it.

Seeing as my dream job is either being a professional artist, or spending my life making Celtic knotted things from silk cord I think long hair actually adds to the illusion that I'd be good at my job.

I have a problem with the idea of taking out my piercings for work to put a retainer in, never mind letting them heal over, so cutting my hair is even more ludicrous to me. Hopefully I'll never have to do that either.

dulce-de-leche
July 20th, 2009, 12:29 PM
Depends on what you mean by cut off.If you mean a bob or shoulder length the answer is yes
but if you mean like a boy cut the answer is heck no!

Alun
July 20th, 2009, 12:42 PM
No

:shake: :disbelief

Not going to happen

camara
July 20th, 2009, 12:56 PM
Some discussion developed since I last posted, so I´m posting again.

I took the OP´s idea in the meaning of a kind of fairytale opportunity. What if I got my dream job (enough money, the profession I learned, guaranteed success, yada yada) and had to deal in my hair?

Then I´d say yes immediately. If this referred to any real life job, I´d say no and keep working at the gas station. :)

rhosyn_du
July 20th, 2009, 04:23 PM
If short hair were somehow necessary because of the job itself (safety, performance, etc.), then yes, absolutely. But if it were a matter of someone (employer, genie, fairy godmother, whoever) saying I had to choose between the two, then no, and I wouldn't be particularly polite in my refusal, either.

storytellerzero
July 20th, 2009, 04:28 PM
I had a job once where one of the conditions of my hire was that I would never wear it down at work because it was "weird."

enfys
July 20th, 2009, 04:44 PM
I had a job once where one of the conditions of my hire was that I would never wear it down at work because it was "weird."

Just you, or everyone else too? :p

It's a bit of an odd condition to have!

Chromis
July 20th, 2009, 05:02 PM
Army maybe? I mean, I'm not sure if women have to cut their hair too, but maybe - if they do?

Nope, you have to conform to uniform standards, but women are not required to have hair shorter than a certain length unlike men.

Honestly I saw more women with short hair violating the uniform code than long. You have to trim pretty often to keep it from hitting your collar!


Yes yes 100% YES.

If I could find a job I loved and gave me both financial security and the income to live at a comfortable means, then absofarkinglutely yes.

For those of you who aren't stuggling with being unemployed and balking at the idea of taking a $10/hr job just for the sake of working, then you are lucky. In reality, this is just hair, and there are so many more important things than that.

I have come very close to losing my home several times in the last 2 years. I even had a foreclosure notice taped to my front door a few months ago. You don't have to twist my arm.

Of course, I am looking at this as more of a rhetorical question, so I'm not going to get into the logic and logistics of this argument, as a job that would ask that is really not really believable. I'm looking at this as how much do I value my hair over a great career?

I'm saying no and I have been that poor. I used to pick fruit and then work overnight at a factory job to pay my mortgage. I still can't see any dream job requiring me to cut my hair off though. The few examples that have been brought up are not anything that I have the skill set for in the first place.


The "up" hair has to be above the bottom edge of the collar.

The longest I've seen IRL on a military person was top-of-hip length. Much longer than that can get tedious or too big even in a uniform updo.

Mine was classic by the time my contract was up and I have seen knee length. Hers was thicker than mine too! It likely does depend a lot on thickness and I found I needed a bit of creativity by the end to fit it.

redcelticcurls
July 20th, 2009, 05:08 PM
Nope, you have to conform to uniform standards, but women are not required to have hair shorter than a certain length unlike men.

Honestly I saw more women with short hair violating the uniform code than long. You have to trim pretty often to keep it from hitting your collar!



I'm saying no and I have been that poor. I used to pick fruit and then work overnight at a factory job to pay my mortgage. I still can't see any dream job requiring me to cut my hair off though. The few examples that have been brought up are not anything that I have the skill set for in the first place.



Mine was classic by the time my contract was up and I have seen knee length. Hers was thicker than mine too! It likely does depend a lot on thickness and I found I needed a bit of creativity by the end to fit it.

Yeah, I have seen out of regs short hair too, lol.

At low BSL, I am about at my limit for a decent updo. Between yanking out the curl and my bulk, it's a challenge. I'll be glad for retirement, lol.

Rose J.
July 20th, 2009, 06:48 PM
Depends on what you mean by cut off.If you mean a bob or shoulder length the answer is yes
but if you mean like a boy cut the answer is heck no!


Exactly what I was going to say. :cool:

Rebelkat
July 20th, 2009, 07:35 PM
Absolutely not. I don't even have to think about that one for long. Personal happiness is higher on my list of priorities than finding the "job opportunity of a lifetime", and having to cut my hair that short and keep it that way would just depress me. I get enough of "you look just like your dad at that age" without having short hair to make me look more like him. :p

I have issues enough with the fact that the dress code for professionals doesn't suit my personality or my features without having to cut my hair on top of it. I know that sounds shallow, but I pretended to be something I wasn't for a good part of my childhood, and I was miserable. I figure, if it's really the opportunity of a lifetime, they will take me as I am. That would be the definition, wouldn't it? Anyways, I'm doing website design and branching out into networking, so I don't think it will be too much of an issue. Tech geeks seem to get a good deal of leeway in comparison to other professions. :redgrin:

Orchid_28
July 20th, 2009, 07:53 PM
Hell yes...If I had to shave my head I would do it.

Jinx2234
July 20th, 2009, 09:36 PM
Right now I am looking for work, so I would definitely cut my hair for my dream job. Hopefully the boss (or fairy godmother or whoever imposed the short hair rule) would see how bad I look with short hair and how I lack the skills for dealing with it and let me grow it out. If not, there's always time after retirement (my dream job I would be able to retire early- or at least save up enough money to be able to find a different job) to grow it again. Then I could start over with virgin hair and treat it better so that by the time it was the same length it is now it would be in better condition.

Darian Moone
July 20th, 2009, 09:42 PM
Yes, of course. But then my "dream job" is pretty darn lofty. (I'm viewing this question as cutting my hair off in order to achieve my dream job/profession/goals/ambitions, not that an employer would require it of me to get a job. A hypothetical question as in "how for would you go to get what you want".)

There are wigs. I'd be so wealthy I could buy a room full. You see, I can dream BIG. :D

eadwine
July 24th, 2009, 01:45 PM
... but it required you to cut off all of your hair and never grow it back, would you take the job?

No.

That is discrimination. Any job can handle bunning. So.. they can shove that job where the sun don't shine AND get a nice investigation by authorities to boot.

And I'd be :D

23_seconds
July 24th, 2009, 04:37 PM
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kyraninse
July 24th, 2009, 05:32 PM
As OP has clarified, it's more of a test of see how much you would be willing to sacrifice for the job.

If I were in danger of starving and had kids to feed and a roof to keep over their heads? Yes, in a heartbeat.

Right now, even though I'm unemployed and living off my boyfriend's min. wage job and going into the red every month -- I'd say no. I really hate it when people test me like that just to see how far they can push me. I refuse to let anyone have my dignity that way, for something so petty as money, fame, or success.

Now, if it were a choice between saving the world, saving a life -- and my hair, I'd do it. I'd even shave my head if that was what's necessary.

Bellalalala
July 24th, 2009, 06:04 PM
In a second.
But I have my dream job, so I'll keep my hair...for now, mwah ha ha.

Heidi_234
July 25th, 2009, 04:19 AM
Nope, you have to conform to uniform standards, but women are not required to have hair shorter than a certain length unlike men.

Honestly I saw more women with short hair violating the uniform code than long. You have to trim pretty often to keep it from hitting your collar!

Well, I'm sure that with the uniform standards you can't have your hair too long either (especially if it's thick). Do you think a woman with say classic or even tailbone ii/iii hair could fit into the standards? I had the notion that they require such a small bun that women can't really have hair much longer than BSL.

manderly
July 25th, 2009, 05:21 AM
Well, I'm sure that with the uniform standards you can't have your hair too long either (especially if it's thick). Do you think a woman with say classic or even tailbone ii/iii hair could fit into the standards? I had the notion that they require such a small bun that women can't really have hair much longer than BSL.

From my understanding the only requirement would be that your bun doesn't hit your collar and that you'd be able to wear your hat as well.......so I'm guessing a wide and low bun like a lazy wrap or infinity would work :)

ZadenWillowfyre
July 25th, 2009, 06:33 AM
Honestly I thinik it would depend on the job. It is only hair...Probably if I didn't have to get it cut extreemly short and I could have it just above sholder length. Or heck...I like the wig idea...or even that fake bob trick!

redcelticcurls
July 25th, 2009, 07:50 AM
From my understanding the only requirement would be that your bun doesn't hit your collar and that you'd be able to wear your hat as well.......so I'm guessing a wide and low bun like a lazy wrap or infinity would work :)

Depends. If I tried to wear an infinity bun, I'd have to switch that up. Usually it's just a sock bun or cinnabun if one is going to wear a bun.

I put mine up soaking wet so that my bun is smaller.

Chromis
July 25th, 2009, 08:48 AM
Well, I'm sure that with the uniform standards you can't have your hair too long either (especially if it's thick). Do you think a woman with say classic or even tailbone ii/iii hair could fit into the standards? I had the notion that they require such a small bun that women can't really have hair much longer than BSL.

I am an ii. I had tailbone and longer hair before my contract was up and did not have trouble meeting the regulations. I've women with thicker hair than mine that also had no trouble compacting it enough.

Then again, I wouldn't exactly call the military the "job opportunity of a lifetime" either but that a whole different can of worms!

Heidi_234
July 25th, 2009, 09:21 AM
I am an ii. I had tailbone and longer hair before my contract was up and did not have trouble meeting the regulations. I've women with thicker hair than mine that also had no trouble compacting it enough.

Then again, I wouldn't exactly call the military the "job opportunity of a lifetime" either but that a whole different can of worms!
Well, I brought the whole thing up in the first place because somebody doubted there is a job that requires you to have your hair in a certain way (possibly cut in a certain way). That would be the only thing I could think of, so I gave an example. Obviously I have very little actual knowledge, so thanks for pointing it out and explaining it.
Like many others said before, if it requires to cut your hair really short, then it's probably not a job opportunity of a lifetime. I'd phrase the question differently - if you'd be paid good money to do nothing but to cut your hair short and keep it that way, would you? :p I'm still in debate. I guess the my lazy self would win over eventually.

redcelticcurls
July 25th, 2009, 09:41 AM
I am an ii. I had tailbone and longer hair before my contract was up and did not have trouble meeting the regulations. I've women with thicker hair than mine that also had no trouble compacting it enough.

Then again, I wouldn't exactly call the military the "job opportunity of a lifetime" either but that a whole different can of worms!

lol, true.

But, in the current economy, it is steady pay and benefits, if one gets past the deployment aspect. ;)

Locke
July 25th, 2009, 11:08 AM
Considering that it's probably what's going to happen : yes, yes I would.

JamieLeigh
July 27th, 2009, 07:50 AM
Yes. I have 5 kids to provide for, and I've had long hair all of my life. I've even experienced it at knee, give or take an inch. I don't need to have it. I love it.....but I don't LOVE LOVE LOVE it. lol. ;)

brista
July 27th, 2009, 09:16 PM
firefighting requires that you cannot have a beard (mustache ok) and the reason for this is that the breathing tank masks do not fit correctly/sealed correctly with facial hair.


That explains why nearly every (male) firefighter I have ever seen has a mustache!

Aurea
July 28th, 2009, 12:00 AM
I did cut mine for the Navy (may have been implemented after you joined redcelticcurls, but current practice in boot camp is to hack all new female recruits' hair off into a chin length blunt cut). But that wasn't a "never grow it out" situation - we were allowed to grow it after boot camp, although it was a royal pain in the butt (there's sort of a "transitional" phase where hair is too long to wear down within the regs but too short to put up into an acceptable bun).

WritergirlAD
July 28th, 2009, 12:40 AM
No, because my dream job is to be an author, so I couldn't imagine a situation where anyone would care what I look like. I love my hair too much to cut it anyway!

Dotlover
July 28th, 2009, 12:59 AM
I would assume that I was being put on. Although I did take out a nose peircing. :p

freckles
July 28th, 2009, 07:05 AM
I was going to say "yes, I would" because my hair isn't especially long and I'm nowhere near as committed as some people here to growing it, it's just something I want to do, not really integral to 'me'; but when I read you meant a pixie cut or shorter; no. I wouldn't. I could do 'short' hair but I will never cut my hair to the point where my bald spot isn't easily covered, it would be too crushing to my confidence.

Eireann
July 28th, 2009, 07:19 AM
No. My job has always been secondary to other things in my life. I guess that's why I'm not at the top of my profession!

Babyfine
July 28th, 2009, 09:28 AM
Yes-probably- though I hate the way pixies look on me. Better a chin length bob.
As for being in the Military- I could have my hair quite long. This is where fine-thin hair like mine would be an advantage, as even at bottom of BSL My cini-buns are teeny tiny.

manderly
August 3rd, 2009, 10:27 PM
I'm surprised at how many people are taking this very literally, instead of hypothetically, as in "would you cut off your right arm to bring about world peace forever".

Generally you get answers like "of course!" and "absolutely!", but here we're getting answers like "I don't see how my arm would make war go away forever" and "I would assume it was a joke or someone trying to do a power play on me, and I would look awful without a right arm!". :lol:

Just a general observation at this thread. :roll:



I never took this question seriously. There's no job that would make me cut all my hair off for any reason, and if one existed, it would be illegal to force me to do so. Hypothetically, however, if a job existed that I had to cut my hair off for that would make me eleventy-billion dollars a month and I would work an hour a day by making a cup of coffee and watching tv, then absofarkinglutely I'd cut all my hair off. I'd shave it off for that. Then I'd obviously wear a wig when I wasn't working the rest of the day, and I'd enjoy relaxing on my 100' luxury yacht. ;)

bugeyedmonster2
August 3rd, 2009, 10:50 PM
I can't see where my ideal job might require me to do that (I would love to paint and craft all day) but if a place where I would like to work tried to require that of me, I'd say no. I think I would really really really have to be super eager to work there to cut my hair and keep it short.

(^_^)/
BEM

bugeyedmonster2
August 3rd, 2009, 11:38 PM
Seeing as my dream job is either being a professional artist, or spending my life making Celtic knotted things from silk cord I think long hair actually adds to the illusion that I'd be good at my job.

And in either of those dream jobs you can get away with looking unusual. In fact I think it's preferred. (Salvador Dali was a good example of that!)

Being a professional artist is also my dream job. Wish I had a good idea how to get started!

While I never really cared for Bob Ross's stuff, I can appreciate his success. (Making sort of a live action follow along paint by numbers for folks who really don't know how to paint.) I'm sure that the hair and beard would have made it easy for SNL to make skits about him. lol!

(^_^)/
BEM

bugeyedmonster2
August 4th, 2009, 12:01 AM
I'm surprised at how many people are taking this very literally, instead of hypothetically, as in "would you cut off your right arm to bring about world peace forever".



If that would work then, yes I would.

(^_^)/
BEM

going gray
August 4th, 2009, 03:06 PM
Yes I sure would, I recently cut it for a whole lot less. After all, it's "hair"!

tina1025
August 4th, 2009, 03:22 PM
I def agree with wintersun99!

Alun
August 4th, 2009, 03:23 PM
1) If it did, then it wouldn't be my dream job

2) The military would never be my dream job, even without the haircut

3) What if you cut your hair and the job fell through? Aaaaaaaaagghhh!

Friesiangirl
August 4th, 2009, 04:12 PM
Nope, because a wise man makes more opportunities than he finds.

Move on to the next one.

Hayley

Roseate
August 4th, 2009, 04:17 PM
I'm surprised at how many people are taking this very literally, instead of hypothetically, as in "would you cut off your right arm to bring about world peace forever".

Generally you get answers like "of course!" and "absolutely!", but here we're getting answers like "I don't see how my arm would make war go away forever" and "I would assume it was a joke or someone trying to do a power play on me, and I would look awful without a right arm!". :lol:

I think it's because there actually are some jobs that have hair requirements, but there aren't many world leaders who have arm-cutting-off requirements!

There aren't many for women, sure, but like it or not, if you are male and your dream job is "corporate lawyer", that job really does come with an unwritten haircut requirement.