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Heavenly Locks
June 30th, 2009, 12:47 AM
I noticed that some people can use protein in their products and some need to avoid it like the plague. Why?

I tried a VO5 moisture milk CO and my hair felt funny. Borderline crunchy...I assume it was the protein. Too bad I adored the scent. Strawberries and cream is awesome! I am going to use it, but sparingly.

What is it about certain hair that needs it? Does that mean that your hair is damaged or somehow lost protein?

Regina
June 30th, 2009, 01:11 AM
I'm not completely sure yet. I have started using CHI Keratin mist in my hair to try to make it more resilient (because it is susceptible to dryness). My hair seems to react just fine but I haven't noted any major changes yet.

manderly
June 30th, 2009, 01:16 AM
I think it's about timing. There are times when I use protein and I get a dry crunchy mess. Other times it seems to be exactly what my hair was asking for.

I have chemical dyed hair that has lost a lot of protein, especially near the ends (the hairs look almost transparent when I hold them to the light and look closely). When it feels like barbie hair, a really heavy protein treatment (like aphogee) followed by TONS of moisture makes my hair all happy.

If I give my hair protein when it doesn't ask for it, then I get a tangly dry mess. My hair doesn't much like those moisture milks either. :)

Natalia
June 30th, 2009, 02:14 AM
The only clear protein treatments ive dont were complete disasters. Like rast nest made of bits of brillo disaster :rolleyes: who knows why. I try to keep proteins very low on the list of ingredients of anything i use just to be safe. I find i get that brillo nest feeling if i use something high protein for any lengthy period of time. Im thinking of trying it just on my ends though since they have been misbehaving recently. We shall see.... :)

free_hug
June 30th, 2009, 12:47 PM
Depends on the hair. Some people's hair is naturally rich in protein, but lacks in oils - their hair could turn out awful after a protein treatment. Others have hair that's rich in oils, but not enough protein - theirs could react shiny and happy to the treatment that ruins the looks of the first group. What i heard at the same time: a good hair specialist could tell quite easly which group does one belong to.

But then again, i heard this theory ages ago, please someone correct me if i'm wrong.

Longlocks3
June 30th, 2009, 06:29 PM
I own just about every VO5 CO they make and I have noticed the moisture milks make me hair feel funny. I just use it once in a while and always ACV rinse when I do use it.

GlassEyes
June 30th, 2009, 06:40 PM
Manderly is right. It's mostly timing, but some can use it whenever without issue. I am envious of those people.

Also, last I checked, Strawberries and Cream was a moisture milk...o-o;;

Kirin
June 30th, 2009, 06:45 PM
The moisture milks line contain protein last I checked into them.

Knowing if your hair needs or would like protein is actually easier than it seems. If you use heat, curling irons, straighteners, blow driers, chemical treatments such as color or perms, peroxide, swim a lot in chlorinated water, get lots of sun exposure to hair (we are talking a LOT), or live in an extreme windy salty enviornment without keeping hair up...... you'll likely need it from time to time.

Dry hair does not need protein, weathered or damaged hair does.

Protein can make relatively healthy hair feel stiff and crunchy, as it is bonding to the hair, that doesn't need it, like a coating. Moisture will restore the hair's suppleness.

Flotsum
June 30th, 2009, 06:57 PM
I have tried to use protein on my hair and it almost seemed to worsen the problem. But then my hair can get really dry. I was hoping to stop breakage with protein but maybe i needed a deep conditioning instead.

Moonstruck
June 30th, 2009, 07:36 PM
I have virgin hair that is normally completely fine getting some protein via conditioners. I've heard that normally more protein is needed for finer hair or processed hairs in general. Processing itself does break many bonds (disulfide, hydrogen, some random amino acid stuff) and proteins help to nourish the hair back to health.
However, I tend to like my vegetables a LOT a lot, and generally stay away from excess protein. I do know that I get a fair amount of silica and whatnot in my diet - my nails and toenails break the clippers sometimes, and my hair is normally pretty darn strong. I also often take vitamins. So, my hair grows FAST but there's not a balanced/excess amount of protein in my diet, so maybe that's why my hair loves/doesn't mind the protein additions? Looking at the typical Western diet, it tends to be really heavy on the meat, which I think may be part of why so many people can NOT handle lots of protein in products.

Additionally, oiling with something like coconut oil... isn't that supposed to PREVENT protein loss? In other words, if I'm not oiling, and I lose protein, I may be protein deficient, so my hair soaks it all up. Many people on LHC (I'd like to see a poll on this, actually) use coconut oil on their hair, and do NOT like protein. Maybe they're not losing much, and don't really need it replaced. I've heard that olive oil and avocado oil might work like that too. Interesting stuff.

I personally do protein treatments maybe... once a month or so, and maybe moisture treatments also once a month or so. They're more for fun/pampering than anything else, for me. I've gone 6 months with nothing but S&C and have had my hair been fine (not my scalp, but that's another story).
...i blather on a lot...sorry!

bigdreamer
June 30th, 2009, 07:46 PM
Wow there is some wonderful information in here about protein, thank you so much for that. I have been struggling a bit with figuring out the right balance of what stuff to try. Thanks

Tangles
June 30th, 2009, 07:46 PM
Kirin, when I'm experiencing extreme dryness, protein sometimes helps (sometimes it just gives me crunchiness though... it's always hard to say).