Queen Helene's Cholesterol Treatment followed by Paul Mitchell Moisture Condition

[Sissy]

Hi, today I have used my heat cap twice. First, I did a Queen Helene's Cholesterol Treatment. Then, based on something I read here I did a deep conditioning treatment using Paul Mitchell Moisture Condtion (not sure how good it is for my hair but trying to get rid of some stock in my closet). I am wondering if this is too much for my hair in one day. I'm hopping into the bath now to wash the conditioner out. I'll see how it goes.

Should a protein treatment always be followed up with a conditioning treatment?

Thanks!

[rymorg2]

Following a protein treatment with a good moisture only treatment is good for keeping the protein crunchies at bay. I don't remember if the instant moisture conditioner has only moisture in it though....I'd have to check the ingredients at work since I'm a stylist. Sometimes they throw in some protein and you can only tell by reading the ingredients.

[Sissy]

Following a protein treatment with a good moisture only treatment is good for keeping the protein crunchies at bay. I don't remember if the instant moisture conditioner has only moisture in it though....I'd have to check the ingredients at work since I'm a stylist. Sometimes they throw in some protein and you can only tell by reading the ingredients.

I believe it has protein in it, which I have discovered now looking at the bottle.

Ingredients
Water (Aqua), Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Stearalkonium Chloride, Bisamino PEG/PPG-41/3 Aminoethyl PG-Propyl Dimethicone/Hedychium Coronarium (White Ginger)/PEG-12 Dimethicone, Pathenol, Tocopheryl Acetate, Bisamino PEG/PPG-41/3 Aminoethyl PG-Propyl Dimethicone/Algae/Aloe Barbadensis Leaf/Anthemis Nobilis (Chamomile)/Lawsonia Inermis (Henna)/Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba)/Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary)/PEG-12 Dimethicone, Lecithin, Glycerin, Wheatgermamidopropyl Ethyldimonium Ethosulfate, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ceteareth-20, Citric Acid, Fragrance(Parfum), DMDM Hydantoin, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate

It looks like it has protein and cones so probably something I won't want to restock in my hair care closet, right?

As a stylist what products do you recommend? It was actually a stylist that recommened this paul mitchell product to me a year or so ago. I had started going for monthly deep conditioning treatments at a salon in a nearby shopping mall. I thought it would be something good for my hair. However, after a few months of going I saw more damage/splits than ever before. I had always wondered why they rake through my hair so when it was wet. I figured though as a stylist he wouldn't do anything to damage hair. I know better now. He also tried out a straightener on my hair telling me it's a new tourmaline steam vent one which would be healthy to use on my wet hair to dry it. How could he give such horrible advice?

[rymorg2]

I believe it has protein in it, which I have discovered now looking at the bottle.

Ingredients
Water (Aqua), Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Stearalkonium Chloride, Bisamino PEG/PPG-41/3 Aminoethyl PG-Propyl Dimethicone/Hedychium Coronarium (White Ginger)/PEG-12 Dimethicone, Pathenol, Tocopheryl Acetate, Bisamino PEG/PPG-41/3 Aminoethyl PG-Propyl Dimethicone/Algae/Aloe Barbadensis Leaf/Anthemis Nobilis (Chamomile)/Lawsonia Inermis (Henna)/Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba)/Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary)/PEG-12 Dimethicone, Lecithin, Glycerin, Wheatgermamidopropyl Ethyldimonium Ethosulfate, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Cetearyl Alcohol, Ceteareth-20, Citric Acid, Fragrance(Parfum), DMDM Hydantoin, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate

It looks like it has protein and cones so probably something I won't want to restock in my hair care closet, right?

As a stylist what products do you recommend? It was actually a stylist that recommened this paul mitchell product to me a year or so ago. I had started going for monthly deep conditioning treatments at a salon in a nearby shopping mall. I thought it would be something good for my hair. However, after a few months of going I saw more damage/splits than ever before. I had always wondered why they rake through my hair so when it was wet. I figured though as a stylist he wouldn't do anything to damage hair. I know better now. He also tried out a straightener on my hair telling me it's a new tourmaline steam vent one which would be healthy to use on my wet hair to dry it. How could he give such horrible advice?

They give horrible advice because that's what they're taught. The companies come out with new stuff and they go to hair shows and teach about their new stuff (like that tourmaline steam vent straightener) and some gullible stylists think it's ok, the co. said it was ok. Personally, I know any heat application is going to produce some damage, so I must be cynical or jaded. :rolleyes:

Yep, there's protein in there. As for what I would recommend, depends on what you want. Non coney protein I recommend Joico's KPak. Non coney moisture ONLY I recommend Biolage's conditioning balm. It all depends on what you're willing to use. For those that are willing to get the buildup, etc, from cones, I think they have their place. Personally, cones make me itch, but a lot of things do that. I'm definately not normal in that respect. Natural things can work just as well, if not better. That said, I've learned that no one thing is good for everyone's use. But those two products, if you're looking for salon quality products, are a good place to start, and neither of them have cones.

[Sissy]

They give horrible advice because that's what they're taught. The companies come out with new stuff and they go to hair shows and teach about their new stuff (like that tourmaline steam vent straightener) and some gullible stylists think it's ok, the co. said it was ok. Personally, I know any heat application is going to produce some damage, so I must be cynical or jaded. :rolleyes:

Yep, there's protein in there. As for what I would recommend, depends on what you want. Non coney protein I recommend Joico's KPak. Non coney moisture ONLY I recommend Biolage's conditioning balm. It all depends on what you're willing to use. For those that are willing to get the buildup, etc, from cones, I think they have their place. Personally, cones make me itch, but a lot of things do that. I'm definately not normal in that respect. Natural things can work just as well, if not better. That said, I've learned that no one thing is good for everyone's use. But those two products, if you're looking for salon quality products, are a good place to start, and neither of them have cones.

Thanks,
Interestingly enough I have the Joico K-Pak Reconstruct Conditioner to repair damage. It smells nice and I had used almost all of it before and wasn't sure if it was good for hair or not. It sounds like it's a good one as it's cone free.

I also own a generic version Biolage Conditioning Balm from Sally Beauty Supply.

Thanks for the recommendations. Do you use salon products on your hair? Or do you tend to do all natural such as shampoo bars or other organic stuff?

Thanks,
Sissy

[rymorg2]

Thanks,
Interestingly enough I have the Joico K-Pak Reconstruct Conditioner to repair damage. It smells nice and I had used almost all of it before and wasn't sure if it was good for hair or not. It sounds like it's a good one as it's cone free.

I also own a generic version Biolage Conditioning Balm from Sally Beauty Supply.

Thanks for the recommendations. Do you use salon products on your hair? Or do you tend to do all natural such as shampoo bars or other organic stuff?

Thanks,
Sissy

I'm an interesting case. I am chemically sensitive, so I stick to mostly all natural. Occasionally I'll use a non coney shampoo/condish, but I don't use styling products. If I do they're from natural companies with organic ingredients. The only salon prods. I have at the moment are my Back to Basics Pomegranate shampoo/condish. I use them once in a blue moon.

That said....I don't think that salon prods. are for everyone. I think that well made over the counter products can be good as well. Such as Sally's biolage generic. Should do the same thing. There are some decent otc products that I've used in the past when I wasn't working in the salon and didn't have money. Don't let my area supervisor read this.....LOL.....she'd kill me.

Here's my routine at the moment.

Wash only 2-3 times a week. Most of the time I use flower moon soaps Dairy whip. It comes in unscented which is good for my fragrance sensitive self. It's also all natural. And it WORKS....occasionally I'll use my b2b pomegranate (like once a month or so) or 365 whole foods' line fragrance free shampoo/condish. I use that condish more often, as I use it to occasionally CO. There are some chemical products my sensitive scalp can take, and that's a good one for me. For conditioner I use my 365 unscented, or nothing at all (dw is moisturizing enough for me usually) or AO honeysuckle rose. Recently I've tried to use Coconut juice as a conditioner and am having great results so I'll probably use that most of the time, and it's only ONE ingredient and all natural! I'm impressed, and it takes a lot to impress me. I do a distilled water rinse after every shampoo as a final step. I wear my hair up 95% of the time, and I only use a wooden comb or my denman brush or my fingers to style.

That said, I'm sensitive to henna/indigo so have to use chemicals to color my hair. But I use semi/demipermanent which is less damaging and I strand/patch test to be sure I won't have issues.

[Sissy]

Dear Rymorg,

Thanks for the replies to my post. They were very informative. The result of my cholesterol/conditioning treatment was good... my hair has air dried now and is straight and shiny and feels smooth. Whereas typically my hair has waves that I cannot stand and air dries frizzy. I have been letting my hair air dry since being on holiday so I'm wondering if it's starting to calm down and not need a blow dryer anymore?

Or perhaps it is Paul Mitchell conditioner which contains cones which has made it straight. I'm not sure. It's too bad though as I am trying to go cone free.

Anyhow, here is how it came out in case anyone is looking to try it:
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=2161&pictureid=28289
this is my hair upclose... I think it looks pretty shiny and healthy.

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=2161&pictureid=28287

[Sissy]

on that note... how often should one do a cholesterol/protein treatment?

Next time I will try it with a non-cone conditioner as the follow up moisturizer and see if I get as good of results.

[rymorg2]

Your hair looks very shiny and healthy!

It was probably the cones that made it look straighter.

And you should do them once or twice a week, depending on how dry your hair feels to the touch.

[rymorg2]

Btw, the cones in the PM instant moisture are all PEG modified, which means they are water soluable and won't build up on the hair like other non modified cones. My hair just hates ANY cone. But if you want to keep the shiny, smooth, not so wavy look, you may want to consider keeping the PEG modified cones in your routine. They're a good compromise.

[Sissy]

Thank you very much for the hair compliment and the info. It's good to know that some cones may be OK for my hair. I may end up using them... at least during the summer when my hair becomes super effected by humidity here.

Is there a list anywhere on this website or any website that clearly states which cones are "OK - water soluble" and which cones are bad?

[rymorg2]

Thank you very much for the hair compliment and the info. It's good to know that some cones may be OK for my hair. I may end up using them... at least during the summer when my hair becomes super effected by humidity here.

Is there a list anywhere on this website or any website that clearly states which cones are "OK - water soluble" and which cones are bad?



Here's you something to help....there was a list on naturallycurly dot com but I couldn't find it. Here is another link instead.

http://www.gesilicones.com/silicones/americas/business/industries/personalcare/workshop/formularies/SH_Selector_Guide_AC.pdf

[rymorg2]

Thank you very much for the hair compliment and the info. It's good to know that some cones may be OK for my hair. I may end up using them... at least during the summer when my hair becomes super effected by humidity here.

Is there a list anywhere on this website or any website that clearly states which cones are "OK - water soluble" and which cones are bad?

Found it....

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/curly-q-a/whats-the-scoop-on-silicones

[Sissy]

Thank you, from what I understand
• PEG/PPG-20/15 Dimethicone
• PEG-12 Dimethicone
Dimethicone copolyol

are water soluble and therefore OK to use in conditioners as they won't cause buildup. Any other cones might/would cause buildup.



Thanks so much for your help!

Sissy

[rymorg2]

Thank you, from what I understand
• PEG/PPG-20/15 Dimethicone
• PEG-12 Dimethicone
Dimethicone copolyol

are water soluble and therefore OK to use in conditioners as they won't cause buildup. Any other cones might/would cause buildup.



Thanks so much for your help!

Sissy







Anything that is PEG modified supposedly will not cause buildup. Not just those 2.

YW!!!

[Sissy]

Anything that is PEG modified supposedly will not cause buildup. Not just those 2.

YW!!!

OK, so as long as the label states PEG before the cone... then it's a water soluble and won't cause build up?

Thanks,
Sissy

[rymorg2]

OK, so as long as the label states PEG before the cone... then it's a water soluble and won't cause build up?

Thanks,
Sissy

That's my understanding yes. :D

[plainjanegirl]

Dear Rymorg,

Thanks for the replies to my post. They were very informative. The result of my cholesterol/conditioning treatment was good... my hair has air dried now and is straight and shiny and feels smooth. Whereas typically my hair has waves that I cannot stand and air dries frizzy. I have been letting my hair air dry since being on holiday so I'm wondering if it's starting to calm down and not need a blow dryer anymore?

Or perhaps it is Paul Mitchell conditioner which contains cones which has made it straight. I'm not sure. It's too bad though as I am trying to go cone free.

Anyhow, here is how it came out in case anyone is looking to try it:
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=2161&pictureid=28289
this is my hair upclose... I think it looks pretty shiny and healthy.

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=2161&pictureid=28287


Wow your hair looks awesome there! If the cones do to your hair what you want then I'd say keep them in your routine. There are plenty of people hear with very long hair who still use cones. Looks like your treatments did good to your hair. I normally use a cholesterol treatment once a month cause I don't want protein overload in my hair. The way I understand it deep moisture conditioning treatments can be done more often (like weekly even).

[Sissy]

rymorg2 - thank you very much for the clarification on the water soluble cones.

plainjanegirl - thank you for the compliment and input :)

[plainjanegirl]

I'm an interesting case. I am chemically sensitive, so I stick to mostly all natural. Occasionally I'll use a non coney shampoo/condish, but I don't use styling products. If I do they're from natural companies with organic ingredients. The only salon prods. I have at the moment are my Back to Basics Pomegranate shampoo/condish. I use them once in a blue moon.

That said....I don't think that salon prods. are for everyone. I think that well made over the counter products can be good as well. Such as Sally's biolage generic. Should do the same thing. There are some decent otc products that I've used in the past when I wasn't working in the salon and didn't have money. Don't let my area supervisor read this.....LOL.....she'd kill me.

Here's my routine at the moment.

Wash only 2-3 times a week. Most of the time I use flower moon soaps Dairy whip. It comes in unscented which is good for my fragrance sensitive self. It's also all natural. And it WORKS....occasionally I'll use my b2b pomegranate (like once a month or so) or 365 whole foods' line fragrance free shampoo/condish. I use that condish more often, as I use it to occasionally CO. There are some chemical products my sensitive scalp can take, and that's a good one for me. For conditioner I use my 365 unscented, or nothing at all (dw is moisturizing enough for me usually) or AO honeysuckle rose. Recently I've tried to use Coconut juice as a conditioner and am having great results so I'll probably use that most of the time, and it's only ONE ingredient and all natural! I'm impressed, and it takes a lot to impress me. I do a distilled water rinse after every shampoo as a final step. I wear my hair up 95% of the time, and I only use a wooden comb or my denman brush or my fingers to style.

That said, I'm sensitive to henna/indigo so have to use chemicals to color my hair. But I use semi/demipermanent which is less damaging and I strand/patch test to be sure I won't have issues.



What would you recommend for a deep moisturizing conditioning treatment? For a protein treatment I have been using a cholesterol treatment (from walmart) once a month. My hair needs the slip from cones. I normally clarify with the suave clarifying shampoo every month or two. I prefer to buy my stuff from places like walmart or dollar general because 1. salon stuff is more expensive and 2. I don't have time to run to a salon with little kids in tow. If it's something I can buy online like at walgreens or something then I might consider it. Thanks in advance!!

[rymorg2]

What would you recommend for a deep moisturizing conditioning treatment? For a protein treatment I have been using a cholesterol treatment (from walmart) once a month. My hair needs the slip from cones. I normally clarify with the suave clarifying shampoo every month or two. I prefer to buy my stuff from places like walmart or dollar general because 1. salon stuff is more expensive and 2. I don't have time to run to a salon with little kids in tow. If it's something I can buy online like at walgreens or something then I might consider it. Thanks in advance!!

Aussie products are pretty good....they have their Moist conditioner, and while I haven't used that specific product myself I had good luck with their stuff. I have used burts bees raspberry more moist conditioner and it's good as well.

Btw, pretty much any conditioner can be used as a deep treatment as long as it's left on longer and/or done with heat.

[priscilya]

Help on cholesterol and recipes needed?I am allergic or intolerant to many things including wheat, dairy foods, nuts, herbs and spices.My husband is to go from now on a low fat no cholesterol diet.Anyone have a recipe for quiche? I can use potato instead of pastry [round the edge of the dish and put the mixture in the middle] and will use oat milk. Recipes also for any other items helpful to both of us. Neither of us are vegetarian. But both of us are interested in using more beans/pulses in cooking.