Thin/Fine Hair Thread

[Mai Gloeckchen]

I would have thought it would take a lot longer to see results from increasing your Iron.

Oh, it will take much longer, so you can see the effort also in braids. The circumference has just started to increase. Now I am slightly over 2" (from 5cm to 5,5cm). What you see in the first pic, is that I felt really bad and so looked my hair. After fixing the ironproblem my hair became fresh, glossy and healthy within weeks. I could harldy believe it, but beeing healthy and feeling well made so much difference. Than a bit trimming and I was really relieved that I did not cut my hair short.

[UP Lisa]

I'm kind of curious, since my own iron stores are low. I have had hair loss not only on my head, but on my legs, etc. Have been taking iron now for a month, so hoping for results. No that I want hair on my legs again.....:)

quote=Mai Gloeckchen;2039019]Oh, it will take much longer, so you can see the effort also in braids. The circumference has just started to increase. Now I am slightly over 2" (from 5cm to 5,5cm). What you see in the first pic, is that I felt really bad and so looked my hair. After fixing the ironproblem my hair became fresh, glossy and healthy within weeks. I could harldy believe it, but beeing healthy and feeling well made so much difference. Than a bit trimming and I was really relieved that I did not cut my hair short.[/quote]

[girlcat36]

I'm kind of curious, since my own iron stores are low. I have had hair loss not only on my head, but on my legs, etc. Have been taking iron now for a month, so hoping for results. No that I want hair on my legs again.....:)



It depends on the type of iron and how much you are taking. I had zero results from ferrous sulfate. I began to get marginal results by switching to iron glycinate(200 mg). I used Solgar gentle iron.
It was not until I added vitamin C and betaine HCl to my iron glycinate dose that I really got results. It took a year but now my iron levels are completely optimal. Good iron, ferritin, and iron saturation levels. Strangely, my red blood cell count remains below range.

Of course, too much iron is bad for you so levels should be checked often to make sure you don't overshoot. A low TIBC level will indicate that you are supplementing too much and should back off a little.

Now that my iron levels are good, I can only blame my hairloss on my thyroid meds!

[girlcat36]

Thank you. :flower:
I must confess it feels strange to me to hear that my hair is inspirational to anyone because I have a hard time seeing anything but it's flaws. I'm very well aware of that a lot of people think my ends are way too thin and that I should cut back but I finally feel that my hair is long and I'm determined not to go shorter. Besides, the hair I have now has been with me through untreated hypothyroidism as well as cancer so I have good hopes that the thickness will slowly grow down if I stay healthy the coming years.

You are one of my hair inspirations, too! My hair has taken a hit with long-term iron deficiency, cancer treatment and hypothyroidism. I am maintaining at 28" until November, then I will continue growing. I hope to keep growing in spite of my thin ends just as you have. :flower:

[ravenheather]

You are one of my hair inspirations, too! My hair has taken a hit with long-term iron deficiency, cancer treatment and hypothyroidism. I am maintaining at 28" until November, then I will continue growing. I hope to keep growing in spite of my thin ends just as you have. :flower:

That is awesome that you guys have managed to keep you hair through all these health crisis. You both have beautiful hair. Surely I can grow mine out. I've always been told that my hair is too thin to be long. But I'm a 2 in. circ. before everything is long enough to get in the ponytail. That can't be too bad. It's longer and longer from here on out!:cheese:

[UP Lisa]

I also have a hypothyroid problem, and recently switched from Synthroid to Thyroid NP Hoping for better results with that. Don't really know if both conditions are causing hair loss, or just one of them.


quote=girlcat36;2041434]It depends on the type of iron and how much you are taking. I had zero results from ferrous sulfate. I began to get marginal results by switching to iron glycinate(200 mg). I used Solgar gentle iron.
It was not until I added vitamin C and betaine HCl to my iron glycinate dose that I really got results. It took a year but now my iron levels are completely optimal. Good iron, ferritin, and iron saturation levels. Strangely, my red blood cell count remains below range.

Of course, too much iron is bad for you so levels should be checked often to make sure you don't overshoot. A low TIBC level will indicate that you are supplementing too much and should back off a little.

Now that my iron levels are good, I can only blame my hairloss on my thyroid meds![/quote]

[girlcat36]

That is awesome that you guys have managed to keep you hair through all these health crisis. You both have beautiful hair. Surely I can grow mine out. I've always been told that my hair is too thin to be long. But I'm a 2 in. circ. before everything is long enough to get in the ponytail. That can't be too bad. It's longer and longer from here on out!:cheese:

Thank you!

[Hollyfire3]

Hi ktani! I finally fixed the computer and can post again! Sorry to be OT, but did you get my latest Pm? If it came up blank....sssoooooo sorry! The computer's fault, not mine, i swear!

[alyanna]

Oh, it will take much longer, so you can see the effort also in braids. The circumference has just started to increase. Now I am slightly over 2" (from 5cm to 5,5cm). What you see in the first pic, is that I felt really bad and so looked my hair. After fixing the ironproblem my hair became fresh, glossy and healthy within weeks. I could harldy believe it, but beeing healthy and feeling well made so much difference. Than a bit trimming and I was really relieved that I did not cut my hair short.

Mai Gloeckchen,
Thank you so much for participating on the LHC, and especially on this thread. I love the photos you've posted and all the useful information you are willing to share.

You are truly an inspiration for us thinnies. Your hair is so pretty :)

[Mai Gloeckchen]

Your are welcome. :) I do my best.
What helped me a lot was to see that Emi (EmiChiee, I do not know at the moment how her nickname ist spelled correctly here on LHC) got through her hairloss too. She has no fine or thin hair, it is medium, but nevertheless her progress gave me a lot of support in that dark moments, when I was tempted by my scissors. ;)
She is the only example I can give, where you can see a real good recovery and gain of thickness. Especially on fine-thin-haired ladies I found none.
All I saw were scalps cut back to a much shorter length, often more than 5". Or, on the other hand, ladies who maintained at their length or grew more length and the ends got really transparent.

No question, my ends are transparent too, but for me it is still okay, as I can still wear my hair down, when I choose the right clothing underneath.
You will never see me outside with my hair down on a white shirt or something with patterns. Ich prefer black, brown, purple, darkblue and petrol.
Petrol? Is that correct? I have found no translation... I mean that colour, similar to turquoise, but darker.
:rollin: here, that smilie is close to the colour I mean.

[ravenheather]

I have a question for my fellow fine and thinnies. Do you find a bbb to be damaging for our hair type? I'm talking about used properly. My hair doesn't tangle much at this length, but I'm detangling with a tangle teezer. I have also been using the bbb once a day in the morning gently. It doesn't seem to be a problem, but I'm wondering how those of you with longer hair feel.

[Vercelli]

I honestly don't like that kind of brush but I wouldn't say it is damaging to my hair. I prefer the Tangle Teezer and use a wooden comb after washing my hair.

Phew, sometimes I do wish my hair was a different type, especially not as see-through on the ends as it is now due to the hairloss.

[DoubleCrowned]

Your are welcome. I do my best.
What helped me a lot was to see that Emi (EmiChiee, I do not know at the moment how her nickname ist spelled correctly here on LHC) got through her hairloss too. She has no fine or thin hair, it is medium, but nevertheless her progress gave me a lot of support in that dark moments, when I was tempted by my scissors.
She is the only example I can give, where you can see a real good recovery and gain of thickness. Especially on fine-thin-haired ladies I found none.
All I saw were scalps cut back to a much shorter length, often more than 5". Or, on the other hand, ladies who maintained at their length or grew more length and the ends got really transparent.

No question, my ends are transparent too, but for me it is still okay, as I can still wear my hair down, when I choose the right clothing underneath.You will never see me outside with my hair down on a white shirt or something with patterns. Ich prefer black, brown, purple, darkblue and petrol.
Petrol? Is that correct? I have found no translation... I mean that colour, similar to turquoise, but darker.
:rollin: here, that smilie is close to the colour I mean.

This color? If so, we would probably call it teal in the USA.
http://www.art-paints.com/Paints/Fabric/Pebeo/Soie-Dye/Petroleum-Blue/Petroleum-Blue.html

Your hair regrowth is inspiring me, as well. I am glad that I did not chop mine off.

[maria_asa]

You are one of my hair inspirations, too! My hair has taken a hit with long-term iron deficiency, cancer treatment and hypothyroidism. I am maintaining at 28" until November, then I will continue growing. I hope to keep growing in spite of my thin ends just as you have. :flower:


That is awesome that you guys have managed to keep you hair through all these health crisis. You both have beautiful hair. Surely I can grow mine out. I've always been told that my hair is too thin to be long. But I'm a 2 in. circ. before everything is long enough to get in the ponytail. That can't be too bad. It's longer and longer from here on out!:cheese:

Thank you both. It's so nice to get encouragement from people in the same situation who really can understand the problems (and blessings) with thin hair.



I have a question for my fellow fine and thinnies. Do you find a bbb to be damaging for our hair type? I'm talking about used properly. My hair doesn't tangle much at this length, but I'm detangling with a tangle teezer. I have also been using the bbb once a day in the morning gently. It doesn't seem to be a problem, but I'm wondering how those of you with longer hair feel.

No, I haven't seen any damage from my bbb but then I only use it to smooth out my updo's after very careful detangling with combs. I have, very rarely, also used it to distribute sebum along the length which also doesn't seem to cause any damage but for me the results of this hasn't been worth the effort.

[Mai Gloeckchen]

This color? If so, we would probably call it teal in the USA.
http://www.art-paints.com/Paints/Fabric/Pebeo/Soie-Dye/Petroleum-Blue/Petroleum-Blue.html

Your hair regrowth is inspiring me, as well. I am glad that I did not chop mine off.

Yes, that is the colour. Thank you. Okay. Teal... Saved in the vocabulary-section. ;)

[Lissandria]

Yes, that is the colour. Thank you. Okay. Teal... Saved in the vocabulary-section. ;)

Petrol is also acceptable. I knew what you meant. ;) Teal to me is usually a bit lighter than Petrol, and perhaps more greeny.

[sfgirl]

I find bbb keep my hair from being damaged. They help my hair lay down smooth, and deter more tangles and frizz. I only use a wide tooth comb and a bbb. If you're worried about damage maybe get a softer one. :)

[UP Lisa]

I know I can only use the softest of brushes. I have one old BBB that i use. Wish i could find another like it, but have had no luck. I also use a baby brush.

[Earth Angel]

I tried a BBB brush, but it makes my hair very static as its fine and wavy :( I try and use only wide tooth combs or paddle brush

[Alva]

I have a Mason Pearson BBB with nylon and I have the feeling this brush is much more gentle to my hair as a wide tooth comb. The brush goes through it really smoothly and I didn't notice any damage from it. They are expensive but it was definately worth the money imo.

[PrairieRose]

This is the only BBB that seems to work well for me https://morroccomethod.com/en/shop?page=shop.product_details&product_id=172&flypage=flypage.tpl&pop=0

[Nenwing]

Mind if I join? :flowers:

My hair has always been quite fine, and on the thinner side. Actually I think it was thicker when I was a kid.

I always have the problem of it just hanging limp, and very easily getting stringy/scraggly looking when I wear it down. Also I have big problems with static, since there isn't much weight to hold it down.

I also have to wash it pretty much every single day. If I even go one day with not washing it, it looks like I haven't washed it in a week!

[Audrey Horne]

Oh it's been awhile since I was here! Have read everything new and now I feel better for some reason :o
Mai Gloeckchen photos are really inspiring! Thanks on the details about the trims :) I find it to be quite amazing that it all just "fills out". Maybe if I saw these photos months ago I wouldn't cut it and it could be by waist this summer LOL dreams dreams dreams... But nah, I didn't cut healthy hair so I should complain. :meditate:

Nenwing you are describing fine hair problems :D (I'm always so happy I'm not the only one! IRL it feels as if I am). i think it hangs limp and stringy because it isn't long enough yet. I have that aaaaaaall the time and it is very annoying! :rant: I can't let it down at this length because if I do... I know it will look stringy in a few minutes and will be "come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly away" :cool:

[Nenwing]

Nenwing you are describing fine hair problems :D (I'm always so happy I'm not the only one! IRL it feels as if I am). i think it hangs limp and stringy because it isn't long enough yet. I have that aaaaaaall the time and it is very annoying! :rant: I can't let it down at this length because if I do... I know it will look stringy in a few minutes and will be "come fly with me, let's fly, let's fly away" :cool:

Yeah its a bummer, this is why I hardly wear it completely down. Within 30 minutes of it looking nice, it will turn all limp and stringy sometimes complete with static! Ugh!

[Audrey Horne]

Yeah its a bummer, this is why I hardly wear it completely down. Within 30 minutes of it looking nice, it will turn all limp and stringy sometimes complete with static! Ugh!

I wish I could handle 30min! It's more like 10min for me... maximum. On a humid hot day will be complete with awkward stretched out S-waves and a few random wurls.

[Caringformyhair]

Fine hair can hardly be felt between the fingers. My hair has a medium darkness (blonette) and I do not see it at first glance, when one strand lays on the white floor in my bathroom (dry, when it is wet I can see it clearly, under the shower for example). It is really soft and silky. And, what makes me shure it is fine not medium: there is only one person I know who has even finer Hair than me, when I touch it.

By the way, I forgot who posted that: 8cm circumference is really not thin. It is above avarage (taken 7cm for avarage, talking about european hair), so don't worry. :)

And somebody asked how often I trim.
Irregularly. My hair grows 15cm per year, I cut 5cm so that there are 10cm of growth left. I do microtrims of 0,5-1,5cm a trim. I trim, when I feel, I should. That could be after a month or after 3 month. The longest period without a cut was 6 month, but my hair was at APL then. With hair longer than midback the longest cut-free period was 3 months long.
I guess, that when I reach 100cm I will trim more, abot 10cm to cut and 5cm to grow per year. Classic is at 112-114cm, that's my final goal. When (if!) I reach that, I will trimm all growth monthly.

Now, my last trim was at the end of december, so my ends look like they need the scissors now. Next week I will cut, but I will wait till then, because I will meet some friends and we do that together. :) Hairfun. :)

I have never waited until my hemline got really fairytale-like. I always trim, when it starts to get uneven.

To me, trims make all the difference.
Here, you see me in august, my hairloss was at its climax, I really hated my hair and believed I had to cut it all off till APL or even shorter.
In the middle, that's me in, ehm, november or so. From august to then, I cut in smaller steps 4cm, so my hair was slightly shorter, but in much better condition.
To the right, that is my february-lengthshot. Only a tiny trim between november and then and I gained a bit more length. :)

The picture on the left is really bad. It does not only show, how thin my hair was, it also shows, how bad I felt and that I was not healthy.

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd424/wasichsomache/sonstso/haare/HA/augdezfeb.jpg

Your hair looks fantastic and really really healthy. As others have mentioned, you are an inspiration to people experiencing thinning hair.

Can I ask how you discovered your iron deficiency? I have had problems in the past but it was only suspected deficiency and I was never tested.

I'm now experiencing what is for me, I think above average shedding and I'm not sure if it's from a deficiency or that I'm renovating my house and my hair seems to hate the brick dust. I've just used my BBB and counted 64 strands in it from a clean start :(

I am confused as to whether my hair just looks thinner because it's got longer (just hitting BSL) but my hemline is so see-through! And it just generally seems like there is less of it in the lengths.

If I can get to the bottom of it I have renewed hope, thanks to you sharing your story, that in a few months I could recover it.

Any support/advice from readers of this thread would be much appreciated.

[Mai Gloeckchen]

My blood was tested. It took its time, as we (my doctor and I) thought that it was only a temporary shed due to messed hormons. I stopped taking the pill a few month ago, so. Than we checked the thyroid. But everything was okay. The tyroid was a bit off the norm (due to the irondeficiency as we found out later), but nothing that could explain my enormous hairloss. Than we checked the ferritin (I am still angry, that it took this three times, that could have been done all in one, take blood once, check them all, but okay that's over).
I was at 16, my docotr explained, that uner 40 big shedding is "normal".
As my body could not deal with oral ironsupplements, we skipped to injections. And now, here we are. Looks like I will always need injections as long as I menstruate at least. It is a typical "lady's disease". :mad:

[GlennaGirl]

Oh no, Mai G. :( ^^ I've had "borderline" ferritin literally for years and I never knew it until I personally looked up my records...it hasn't been considered a big deal...(steamin' mad, I agree) The exhaustion has, though. :rolleyes: Durr, doctor!

I also am hypothyroid. What were your test results? Did they do just TSH? If that's private, that's okay. Just thought I'd ask and offer you hugs. ((((MG)))) I hope you feel better soon.

[Caringformyhair]

My blood was tested. It took its time, as we (my doctor and I) thought that it was only a temporary shed due to messed hormons. I stopped taking the pill a few month ago, so. Than we checked the thyroid. But everything was okay. The tyroid was a bit off the norm (due to the irondeficiency as we found out later), but nothing that could explain my enormous hairloss. Than we checked the ferritin (I am still angry, that it took this three times, that could have been done all in one, take blood once, check them all, but okay that's over).
I was at 16, my docotr explained, that uner 40 big shedding is "normal".
As my body could not deal with oral ironsupplements, we skipped to injections. And now, here we are. Looks like I will always need injections as long as I menstruate at least. It is a typical "lady's disease". :mad:

It sounds like you've been through a lot and thankfully managed to get to the root cause. There's nothing worse than the not-knowing stage as you feel like you can't do something positive to reverse the issue. It must have been really distressing for you, so I do appreciate you being so open about it on here.

I've got a docs appointment booked for Friday. I don't exactly have the best time of it with my lady's monthly problems :o so I wouldn't be surprised if it was iron deficiency or something else off-balance.

[GlennaGirl]

I've got a docs appointment booked for Friday. I don't exactly have the best time of it with my lady's monthly problems :o so I wouldn't be surprised if it was iron deficiency or something else off-balance.

Good luck, caringformyhair. :)

[AndreaPetrea]

My hair is fine and straight with a circumference of 3 inches. I like how soft it is, but I also have some problems:

It gets stringy. It looks good right after a wash, especially if I shampoo. But if I've been CO-washing only for a week or two it starts to sort of clump together, tangle and look really stringy and thin. I have a feeling the hard water in my area could be a cause. But I don't want to shampoo too often since it will make my hair dry. Maybe I should try ACV rinses?

Another problem is that it gets greasy fast. Especially if it's really soft and I touch it a lot :laugh: :blushing:. And I can't just put it up, because then most of the hair will lie very flat against my scalp and those small baby hairs will stick out making the grease even more obvious.

And then there's braiding... My braids only look like braids from the back! From the side you can't or almost can't see the sections, it's just... a mess! Anyone else with this problem?

[whitedove]

And then there's braiding... My braids only look like braids from the back! From the side you can't or almost can't see the sections, it's just... a mess! Anyone else with this problem?[/quote]

The fillet braid I think someone dubbed them. I get awful braid evny when I look at the 'show us your braid thread' :D

[Audrey Horne]

My hair is fine and straight with a circumference of 3 inches. I like how soft it is, but I also have some problems:

It gets stringy. It looks good right after a wash, especially if I shampoo. But if I've been CO-washing only for a week or two it starts to sort of clump together, tangle and look really stringy and thin. I have a feeling the hard water in my area could be a cause. But I don't want to shampoo too often since it will make my hair dry. Maybe I should try ACV rinses?

Another problem is that it gets greasy fast. Especially if it's really soft and I touch it a lot :laugh: :blushing:. And I can't just put it up, because then most of the hair will lie very flat against my scalp and those small baby hairs will stick out making the grease even more obvious.

And then there's braiding... My braids only look like braids from the back! From the side you can't or almost can't see the sections, it's just... a mess! Anyone else with this problem?

The same problems here.

[Audrey Horne]

Let's post our fish filets here lol but then nobody should enter this thread haha

[AndreaPetrea]

And then there's braiding... My braids only look like braids from the back! From the side you can't or almost can't see the sections, it's just... a mess! Anyone else with this problem?

The fillet braid I think someone dubbed them. I get awful braid evny when I look at the 'show us your braid thread' :D[/quote]

Yes, that's a good term :D And I know what you mean about braid envy...

I think my explanation was bad, though :blushing: I meant.. Um... so hard to explain. Not the braid itself. More like the hair on the sides of my head. I'll try to post a picture!

[AndreaPetrea]

The same problems here.

I'm sorry :( But I'm glad I'm not alone :D

[AndreaPetrea]

Braid problem:

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=7568&pictureid=129935

This is not a very pretty braid, it was done very fast. But the problem is always the same - the sections of the french braid can't be seen from the sides.

[zombi]

My hair always does that too. That's why I never wear it in braids, because I hate that. It slides out of sections and just sags and if I feel it brushing around I freak out because I think it's a bug -_-

[Alva]

I have that too. I am always afraid that, because it slides out, ill do damage to it.. I really like braids on other people but mine is just so thin it is depressing lol

[whitedove]

Braid problem:

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/picture.php?albumid=7568&pictureid=129935

This is not a very pretty braid, it was done very fast. But the problem is always the same - the sections of the french braid can't be seen from the sides.

Erm they look visable to me, they are not ment to be raised. I think they only become more defined if you use a comb to segment finer gatherings.
Most annoying part for me is the bottom of the braid where it thins to nothing. I now use Torrins french braid advice from utube. When you reach the last two gathers (one from each side) you swap their sides before you gather to braid - it makes the whispy nothings, tidy. If you dont understand what I am trying to explain, I suggest you check out torrins french braid tutorial. If you want more of a visable braid down your head try dutch braid instead.

[AndreaPetrea]

My hair always does that too. That's why I never wear it in braids, because I hate that. It slides out of sections and just sags and if I feel it brushing around I freak out because I think it's a bug -_-

:laugh: - a bug! Yes, exactly, it slides out! I don't know what to do about it :rant:I used to use a looooooot (yes, that many) of bobby pins, but of course they are causing breakage in my fine hair. I try to stay away from them now, but all the annoying baby hairs are driving me nuts, I sometimes think I look like this guy:

http://www.donaldisme.dk/blinkh6.jpg (http://www.donaldisme.dk/blinkh6.jpg)

[AndreaPetrea]

I have that too. I am always afraid that, because it slides out, ill do damage to it.. I really like braids on other people but mine is just so thin it is depressing lol

Really? Your hair is so beautiful, don't be depressed!


Erm they look visable to me, they are not ment to be raised. I think they only become more defined if you use a comb to segment finer gatherings.
Most annoying part for me is the bottom of the braid where it thins to nothing. I now use Torrins french braid advice from utube. When you reach the last two gathers (one from each side) you swap their sides before you gather to braid - it makes the whispy nothings, tidy. If you dont understand what I am trying to explain, I suggest you check out torrins french braid tutorial. If you want more of a visable braid down your head try dutch braid instead.

Maybe you're right. I just think it used to look different? I also think my hair used to be a little thicker :(

Thank you for your suggestions, I will watch the tutorial. I don't know why I didn't think of a dutch braid, I've tried it once before and it stayed better :doh:

[Audrey Horne]

Braid problem:


This is not a very pretty braid, it was done very fast. But the problem is always the same - the sections of the french braid can't be seen from the sides.
sorry I can't see it well but do you have long bangs too? Mine escapes every time if I do anything else but Dutch. My hair is also SO slippery that everything falls apart.
You can try on damp/nearly wet hair then sections look more visible (on me). Just be careful. Gel helps too, like aloe, etc.

[whitedove]

Yes aloe gel too - TY audrey horne :)
I have just learned dutch braiding, thats why I thought of it. My only downside is that when I dutch braid, I do it too tight and give myself tension pains so I can't keep it in for long :(

[Audrey Horne]

Yes aloe gel too - TY audrey horne :)
I have just learned dutch braiding, thats why I thought of it. My only downside is that when I dutch braid, I do it too tight and give myself tension pains so I can't keep it in for long :(

you can loosen it up a bit just after braiding. I often do it if it doesn't feel right. Don't want headache attacks, easy to get those.

[zombi]

:laugh: - a bug!
I can't help it!! I have severe fear of bugs!!! :o



I keep trying to figure out how to dutch braid on myself (I can do it fine on other people) but it just doesn't work so far. I keep practicing.

[Valfreyja]

Hullo, did I already introduce myself in this thread? I don't actually remember. :ponder:

I think I belong here, I have the most annoying fine hair imaginable. It's a good thing it isn't curly as well, just the odd wavy bit of baby fine stuff that occasionally decides to defy gravity for the fun of it. It's also nice to see so many people with lovely LONG fine/thin locks, something I can actually aspire to. :)

Um, about aloe vera, is it possible to use some diluted with water or something to apply on the ends like how some people use oils? (Is that totally mad?)

[spookyghost]

Im a newbie with fine hair and I just wanted to say Hi to everyone:) I have alot of learning to do because I just started to really take care of my hair. Im shooting for waist length and its currently two inches above bra strap.

Im so impressed with all of you. Im so hair challanged it isnt funny. Im 44 and have never braided my hair or anyone elses in my life! Thank goodness I had two boys!:D

I hope to learn alot from everyone!

[Springgrl]

I am pretty sure I belong here! My hair is super fine and tangles easily, but I have tons of it. So I don't know if I fit in the 'thin' part of this thread. I have a 5" circumference, but my hair is so fine! I was wondering if anyone else here has this issue. It is difficult to do up-do's because every time I try to do braids there are tons of little fly-aways and I am afraid I am causing breakage!

[Springgrl]

Im a newbie with fine hair and I just wanted to say Hi to everyone:) I have alot of learning to do because I just started to really take care of my hair. Im shooting for waist length and its currently two inches above bra strap.

Im so impressed with all of you. Im so hair challanged it isnt funny. Im 44 and have never braided my hair or anyone elses in my life! Thank goodness I had two boys!:D

I hope to learn alot from everyone!

Welcome!~ I am somewhat new, too, so we will learn together! Haha!

[rags]

For the braids - I do Dutch usually because they hold soooo much better AND you get defined sections too! :D I damp braid to help hold also. If I try to French braid my baby-fine hair slithers right out within an hour. <sigh>

[girlcat36]

Ugh...I am shedding like crazy....I'm getting dangerously close to i category. I'm down to 2" pony circumference with a severe taper. I just want to complain and get sympathy, I guess.

Anyway---what do you fine and thinnies use to secure your filet-o-braid ends. All the elastics are way too big, and the baby ones come in colors that I don't like.

[Mai Gloeckchen]

girlcat: I use the tiny ones you usually use for horses' manes. I have brown elastics, they fit to my hair.

[girlcat36]

girlcat: I use the tiny ones you usually use for horses' manes. I have brown elastics, they fit to my hair.

Thank you! I must look for those!

[AndreaPetrea]

Sorry, I have been very busy moving :)

I think I should try dutch braids again. I also hope that it will get better when my hair gets longer.


sorry I can't see it well but do you have long bangs too? Mine escapes every time if I do anything else but Dutch. My hair is also SO slippery that everything falls apart.
You can try on damp/nearly wet hair then sections look more visible (on me). Just be careful. Gel helps too, like aloe, etc.

Yes, my bangs are at chin length now. I'm growing them out. I can just get them to stay in a high bun or ponytail. Well, bun... My hair is around 18" long, so it's more like a half bun :laugh:

By the way, I've found out (maybe I'm slow) that if I put my hair up while it's still damp, the baby hairs and wispies will (sometimes) dry in the right direction and not stick out as much as if I first let my hair dry and then put it up. Did that sentence make sense? :blushing:

[millyaulait]

I've been shedding a lot lately.. :(

In my most recent progress/length picture I can see how the back of my crown is thinning more than I've ever seen it before.

I feel really discouraged and sometimes I want to hide my hair away and just wear wigs again,
but I'm going to just try to keep taking really good care of my hair.

Maybe all my hard work will be rewarded one day.

[zombi]

how about doing a french twist??? do any of you fine/thin hair people find this as difficult as me? any suggestions?? I want to wear my hair in a french twist when I get married in May.

[oktobergoud]

I'm really annoyed with my hair lately... because of the ends, AGAIN! I was just looking at pictures from years ago when I grew out my hair.. but my ends always look so thin and horrible! Even I don't have a single split end :s

Does anyone else has this problem as well? Is this just one of those negative sides of fine hair? Or should I cut my hair AGAIN (I keep on cutting it, but the ends always come back after a day or so)

[Renate]

I'm really annoyed with my hair lately... because of the ends, AGAIN! I was just looking at pictures from years ago when I grew out my hair.. but my ends always look so thin and horrible! Even I don't have a single split end :s

Does anyone else has this problem as well? Is this just one of those negative sides of fine hair? Or should I cut my hair AGAIN (I keep on cutting it, but the ends always come back after a day or so)

I think is has something to do with being fine, but in my own case, what messes my ends are (were) rough handling.

Even at the best shape my ends don't look that good.

At least compared to some ladies here in the LHC. Compared to the girls in my uni, jesus, I am the goddess of hair! :p

[Vintagecoilylocks]

Thank you! I must look for those!

Girlcat36, I just love your hair. It looks to be so soft. I can feel you on the shedding. I shed for 5 years. I wanted to and did cry alot. It has abated and This year I have alot of short curly frizzies.

I am wearing my hair in the Amish braided bun for now. To scared to put any thing on the ends its so thin.

Hang in there. Long and thin is still pretty. Your curls are lovely.

[Nordlys]

I'm really annoyed with my hair lately... because of the ends, AGAIN! I was just looking at pictures from years ago when I grew out my hair.. but my ends always look so thin and horrible! Even I don't have a single split end :s

Does anyone else has this problem as well? Is this just one of those negative sides of fine hair? Or should I cut my hair AGAIN (I keep on cutting it, but the ends always come back after a day or so)

I am having exactly the same problem here. No matter what I do I keep getting thin ends. I cut about 2 months ago and now I am considering cutting even more... I have a relative slow growth about 1 cm per month so it is really frustrating when my goal is to reach about hip length and get a blunt hemline.. (I am past BSL right now). I am really confused :confused: .

[DoubleCrowned]

I am having exactly the same problem here. No matter what I do I keep getting thin ends. I cut about 2 months ago and now I am considering cutting even more... I have a relative slow growth about 1 cm per month so it is really frustrating when my goal is to reach about hip length and get a blunt hemline.. (I am past BSL right now). I am really confused :confused: .

Could the trims be weakening your ends? There was some discussion about singeing hair a few months ago. This isn't the thread I was thinking of, but is about the same concept: that of sealing the hairs when they are cut:
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=24340&highlight=singe

[metricfuture]

I am having exactly the same problem here. No matter what I do I keep getting thin ends. I cut about 2 months ago and now I am considering cutting even more... I have a relative slow growth about 1 cm per month so it is really frustrating when my goal is to reach about hip length and get a blunt hemline.. (I am past BSL right now). I am really confused :confused: .

I have the same problem, and decided the best person to leave the trimming decision to is future me. The way I see it, if the last 2 inches of my hair are going to look thin, they might as well be the last two inches of hair at my goal length. I'll let future me worry about trimming the new growth when I'm maintaining at hip, and I'll just put it up and out of the way until then. YMMV, of course, I almost never wear my hair down because I hate detangling with the fire of a thousand suns.:)

[UP Lisa]

You can certainly damage the ends if your scissor is not sharp.

[girlcat36]

Girlcat36, I just love your hair. It looks to be so soft. I can feel you on the shedding. I shed for 5 years. I wanted to and did cry alot. It has abated and This year I have alot of short curly frizzies.

I am wearing my hair in the Amish braided bun for now. To scared to put any thing on the ends its so thin.

Hang in there. Long and thin is still pretty. Your curls are lovely.

Thank you, Vintagecoilylocks!!! I love your 3b/c curls!

[haibane]

Ugh...I am shedding like crazy....I'm getting dangerously close to i category. I'm down to 2" pony circumference with a severe taper. I just want to complain and get sympathy, I guess.

Anyway---what do you fine and thinnies use to secure your filet-o-braid ends. All the elastics are way too big, and the baby ones come in colors that I don't like.

Because my taper is so severe I never wear braids down, only in braided buns. I don't secure the braid with anything since it holds on its own once it's bunned.

[Renate]

I measured the circunference of my ponytail today and my hair thickness increased! :D I'm a solid ii now! I'm so happy!

[alyanna]

Ugh...I am shedding like crazy....I'm getting dangerously close to i category. I'm down to 2" pony circumference with a severe taper. I just want to complain and get sympathy, I guess.

Anyway---what do you fine and thinnies use to secure your filet-o-braid ends. All the elastics are way too big, and the baby ones come in colors that I don't like.

girlcat I'm exactly the same way! I've been shedding like crazy too! I wonder if it has to do with it being spring??

I was up to almost 3" until last fall, then I had a growth stall this winter, and now my circumference is down to 2" as well. I don't know what happened.

I've decided I'm not cutting my hair though. I'll push through and see what happens.

[Cupofmilk]

Does anyone have classic length hair with fine ends and taper? I am close to classic and willing to share pics

[Audrey Horne]

Ugh...I am shedding like crazy....I'm getting dangerously close to i category. I'm down to 2" pony circumference with a severe taper. I just want to complain and get sympathy, I guess.

Anyway---what do you fine and thinnies use to secure your filet-o-braid ends. All the elastics are way too big, and the baby ones come in colors that I don't like.
I know I'm a bit late on this :o I use tights. Yes, my old tights that I slice up as long as I can't wear them anymore. They're black, elastic and hold my hair very well without damaging.
My shedding has decreased... I wonder if it is just spring that has made everything better (I used to shed like crazy this winter) or it is something else. And I hope it is something else because then I can get hold of it! Don't worry, taper here too and I hate it. I don't even think yours shows all too much because of the curls. It kind of looks "romantic" (<- the way the magazines love to call it :)).
I made heidi braids yesterdays and jeeez did it look bad because of the taper! :eek: I wait for WL or hip to make a break for a year or so.... to get rid of it :demon: Do you plan to do something similar?

[Vintagecoilylocks]

Does anyone have classic length hair with fine ends and taper? I am close to classic and willing to share pics

There is a thread called Fairytale ends pics. Has loads of beautiful photos. There is a nother thread I can not remember the name that asked for photos of long thin hair. That one had alot of nice photos also. I will keep searching.

[pixiestar]

There is a thread called Fairytale ends pics. Has loads of beautiful photos. There is a nother thread I can not remember the name that asked for photos of long thin hair. That one had alot of nice photos also. I will keep searching.

Is this it?:D
http://www.longhaircommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40313&highlight=fairy+tale+ends

[PolarCathy]

I made heidi braids yesterdays and jeeez did it look bad because of the taper!

No it didn't :) :grouphug:

[Audrey Horne]

No it didn't :) :grouphug:
:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

[chrissy-b]

Hullo, did I already introduce myself in this thread? I don't actually remember. :ponder:

I think I belong here, I have the most annoying fine hair imaginable. It's a good thing it isn't curly as well, just the odd wavy bit of baby fine stuff that occasionally decides to defy gravity for the fun of it. It's also nice to see so many people with lovely LONG fine/thin locks, something I can actually aspire to. :)

Um, about aloe vera, is it possible to use some diluted with water or something to apply on the ends like how some people use oils? (Is that totally mad?)

Hi and welcome!! :)

You can use aloe on your ends, but it won't have the same effect as oils (sealing in moisture). I use aloe sometimes as a styling product and many other do here as well.

[Vintagecoilylocks]

Is this it?:D
http://www.longhaircommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40313&highlight=fairy+tale+ends

Thats the one. It was really inspirational for me.

[UP Lisa]

Yeah! I'm happy for you!



I measured the circunference of my ponytail today and my hair thickness increased! :D I'm a solid ii now! I'm so happy!

[UP Lisa]

Look at Unamed's profile.



Does anyone have classic length hair with fine ends and taper? I am close to classic and willing to share pics

[rags]

Girlcat, I use those little see-through silicone bands on the ends of braids if I want to look "professional". I cut them off though, as they will pull/break hairs off for me no matter how gently I remove them. Otherwise I use the terrycloth ones they sell for little girls (yes, they're obnoxious colors, but they don't damage my hair!)

Zombi, I wear a French twist all the time. It's one of the few hairstyles I think we thinnies have an easier time with - I can do one all the way to TB with no problem!

[bunzfan]

Even though i have the illusion of thick hair it isn't just fine and a lot of it, every time i wash it doesn't matter if its shampooed or co washed i can't do a thing with it and have problem putting it up for the first few days.

[Cyndeigh]

Hy everyone. I am new here. I absolutely belong here. I am 51 and growing out a pixie, AND giving up the dye. I will do it.
All of you ladies are just gorgeous, and give me so much courage. My problem is old hair dye. I have very dark ends, medium middle, and a very light section, then finally a grey-brown! I other words STRIPES!:thud:I would like to remove some of this old color(s), but do not want to damage my fine hair any more. I am currently at jaw length. Is there help for me, or do I just live with the stripes? Thanks everybody.
I will be joining the Renegrays here today also!:D

[GlennaGirl]

Even though i have the illusion of thick hair it isn't just fine and a lot of it, every time i wash it doesn't matter if its shampooed or co washed i can't do a thing with it and have problem putting it up for the first few days.

My hair slips out of everything on wash day and the day after too. By the way, your hair color is absolutely gorgeous!

[islandboo]

Hy everyone. I am new here. I absolutely belong here. I am 51 and growing out a pixie, AND giving up the dye. I will do it.
All of you ladies are just gorgeous, and give me so much courage. My problem is old hair dye. I have very dark ends, medium middle, and a very light section, then finally a grey-brown! I other words STRIPES!:thud:I would like to remove some of this old color(s), but do not want to damage my fine hair any more. I am currently at jaw length. Is there help for me, or do I just live with the stripes? Thanks everybody.
I will be joining the Renegrays here today also!:D

Welcome! If it helps, the ombre look is fashionable now - people pay good money at the stylist to get those graduations. If you absolutely can't stand it, I would recommend cutting off the color rather than stripping it - fine hair doesn't generally tolerate that very well.

[Cyndeigh]

I was afraid cutting was the only answer.....sigh. Guess I will learn to love the ombre look

[pixiestar]

Hi Cyndeigh, you could try honey lightening. Here is the tread. I have tried it, with just filtered water and honey and it does work. http://www.longhaircommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148&page=506

[bunzfan]

My hair slips out of everything on wash day and the day after too. By the way, your hair color is absolutely gorgeous!

Oh thank you:D

[rags]

Bunzfan - I do think the slipping out is a hazard of fine hair. I always wear mine down on wash day because- well it won't stay up! :p

[schweedie]

My hair slips out of everything on wash day and the day after too.
The day after washing is definitely the "worst" for slip in my case - my hair takes ages to airdry, so after it's been washed it's generally at least a little bit damp for several hours afterwards which means it holds quite well if I want to put it up. The next day, however? Almost hopeless. I washed my hair yesterday and this morning it was so slippery I couldn't get the nautilus to work, and just barely managed a lazy wrap. Yep, fine hair can be fun! ;)

[Audrey Horne]

My hair is also slippery. ICR what commercial it was... A girl had her hair tied in a giant knot, then she uses this "miracle product" and voila... no knot! So that's how my hair is like: there wouldn't be a chance for a knot. Nothing holds when it's clean but when it greases it sucks because it's flat and limp and (of course) dirty.

I hope I'm not too early to get excited but I think my hair gets thicker :cheers: As I've looked in the mirror today my new "chunks" both in front, on the crown, some on the temples got longer. I have the second "bangs" to grow out and I already see new 1/2 inch baby hairs again :) Of course, it will take FOREVER till it gets into the pony&braid but I pray that someday it does (maybe in a year?). I look so ridiculous :D Maybe I take a new pic, at least just for myself to see the progress.


Hy everyone. I am new here. I absolutely belong here. I am 51 and growing out a pixie, AND giving up the dye. I will do it.
All of you ladies are just gorgeous, and give me so much courage. My problem is old hair dye. I have very dark ends, medium middle, and a very light section, then finally a grey-brown! I other words STRIPES!:thud:I would like to remove some of this old color(s), but do not want to damage my fine hair any more. I am currently at jaw length. Is there help for me, or do I just live with the stripes? Thanks everybody.
I will be joining the Renegrays here today also!:D
Idk how your head of hair looks like but you could either try to lighten it with honey&cinnamon or dye it with henna/indigo,etc. Or just leave it as it is.

[Cyndeigh]

Thanks pixiestar and Audrey! I will give the honey a try!!

[tiny_teesha]

Some tips i've discovered to help a thin brunette.

1- neelibringadi oil- to stop shedding
2- wash with organic products
3- apply rooibos tea to scalp while damp or not.- for added hair fall protection and hair root volume
4- rub in a drop of biolage hydratherapie conditioner with a nail of coconut oil and run it though damp hair
5- air dry or cool blow dry ( to prevent sleeping on wet hair).
6- brush hair with body shop brush or seamless comb twice a day.
7- Wash every second day.


That's my secret...my cheats are:
1- wear a dark top, not red or blue or white. Grey and green and black and purple work. (dunno why)
2- wear a good colour scarf or a skivvy neck, this poofs out the hair and gives it the illusion of volume.

[Nordlys]

I have the same problem, and decided the best person to leave the trimming decision to is future me. The way I see it, if the last 2 inches of my hair are going to look thin, they might as well be the last two inches of hair at my goal length. I'll let future me worry about trimming the new growth when I'm maintaining at hip, and I'll just put it up and out of the way until then. YMMV, of course, I almost never wear my hair down because I hate detangling with the fire of a thousand suns.:)

I decided to go for a trim again. I took about 8,5 cm and I am pleased with the result for now. My hemline looks better and feels healthier, I really hope it stays that way! (have a few pictures in my "length progress" album)
I see your point though when it comes to achieving a goal length first, for so to trim in order to get rid of damage etc. I don't think I will have any major trims in the future, not until I get beyond waist at least.

[Nordlys]

Could the trims be weakening your ends? There was some discussion about singeing hair a few months ago. This isn't the thread I was thinking of, but is about the same concept: that of sealing the hairs when they are cut:
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=24340&highlight=singe


Thanks for the link:) . I don't think I would take the chance to use this method though, I think it would damage the hair even more... I cut off some damage a few days ago using Feye's trimming method as I always do. We will see how it turns out in a few months...;)

[catamonica]

I dont have thin hair but it is fine. But I read on line that if you put minced onion in your shampoo it makes it thicker. I tried it. It does makes the hair feel thicker. Hope this helps.

[UP Lisa]

I don't think I could stand to put onion in my hair.



I dont have thin hair but it is fine. But I read on line that if you put minced onion in your shampoo it makes it thicker. I tried it. It does makes the hair feel thicker. Hope this helps.

[Audrey Horne]

*with onion on the head* :pumpkin: let's see if I can handle it. I go to the great lengths to achieve what once was there! hah:cheese:

[PolarCathy]

*with onion on the head* (...)

Yesssss! You're my hero my friend!

[Audrey Horne]

Yesssss! You're my hero my friend!

:beerchug: there aren't too many things we haven't put on the head, have we? :o

[PolarCathy]

:beerchug: there aren't too many things we haven't put on the head, have we? :o

Hehehe.

If you can't get it out you can blame it on me... ;)

[bunzfan]

The day after washing is definitely the "worst" for slip in my case - my hair takes ages to airdry, so after it's been washed it's generally at least a little bit damp for several hours afterwards which means it holds quite well if I want to put it up. The next day, however? Almost hopeless. I washed my hair yesterday and this morning it was so slippery I couldn't get the nautilus to work, and just barely managed a lazy wrap. Yep, fine hair can be fun! ;)

I'm glad i'm not the only one that can have this problem, it seems i was also using to much moisture and thats why my hair was going so flat after a bit of protein its behaving much better. We could also try misting and damp bunning when its like this.

[Audrey Horne]

Hehehe.

If you can't get it out you can blame it on me... ;)
it was my free will, so only onion (and other secret things :D) are to blame haha *goes to wash it off*

[Kapri]

Hi all!

I have a shoulder length blunt cut at the moment. It was collar bone length but started to look ropey in the way that Oktobergood described. I find, oddly, that the blunt cut, straight hemline but graduated slightly at the sides, seems to accentuate the fact that my ends are thin. They don't quite fill out the line of the hemline. I almost wonder whether a slightly layered style ,might disguise the thinness. IF you get my drift! Anyone have the same experience?

Kapri

[Audrey Horne]

Hi all!

I have a shoulder length blunt cut at the moment. It was collar bone length but started to look ropey in the way that Oktobergood described. I find, oddly, that the blunt cut, straight hemline but graduated slightly at the sides, seems to accentuate the fact that my ends are thin. They don't quite fill out the line of the hemline. I almost wonder whether a slightly layered style ,might disguise the thinness. IF you get my drift! Anyone have the same experience?

Kapri
Welcome! :flower:
I'd love to say "I do" but my experience is completely opposite... But if you feel like layers might be for you, why not to give it a try :) maybe just a bit at first to see if you like it

[Kapri]

Hi Audrey,

Lovely to hear from you. I have just grown out my layers! I was hoping my hair would look amazingly thick... the body looks thicker..it's just the ends that are disappointing! I will leave it a while and see if they thicken up a bit more... who knows the layers might still be growing down!

Kapri

[Audrey Horne]

Hi Audrey,

Lovely to hear from you. I have just grown out my layers! I was hoping my hair would look amazingly thick... the body looks thicker..it's just the ends that are disappointing! I will leave it a while and see if they thicken up a bit more... who knows the layers might still be growing down!

Kapri

How often do you trim, Kapri? It's possible to have thicker ends but you should maintain for awhile...

[Kapri]

I trimmed after two months last time and the time before after 5 months! I go to the hairdresser rather than self-trimming. I have an inch taken off at the moment because people tend to notice how raggedy the ends get..even at shoulder length...

[Audrey Horne]

I trimmed after two months last time and the time before after 5 months! I go to the hairdresser rather than self-trimming. I have an inch taken off at the moment because people tend to notice how raggedy the ends get..even at shoulder length...

oh :( :grouphug: do you have any pics?

[Miss Catrina]

I'd definitely like to hear more results from these onion experiments..

[Audrey Horne]

I'd definitely like to hear more results from these onion experiments..

hop on the wagon ;)
my first try went without accidents :)

[Hollyfire3]

hop on the wagon ;)
my first try went without accidents :)

Did it make your hair any thicker? curious!

[Audrey Horne]

Did it make your hair any thicker? curious!

you mean coarser or actually thicker, or more volume?

[Hollyfire3]

you mean coarser or actually thicker, or more volume?

Any of the above!:)

[Audrey Horne]

Any of the above!:)

Coarser - No. Only henna does but I've gone virgin months ago.
Thicker - Newbies pop out all the time. Gaining thickness needs time, unfort.
Volume - Yes. But not extra volume, it just didn't decrease it. Naturally it reached its maximum.

If it makes it grow faster that's a triumph for me! If new hairs keep coming - amazing :crush:

I used other things too, not just onion. It could all affect it. But I stick to it at least for a month from now on.

[Hollyfire3]

Coarser - No. Only henna does but I've gone virgin months ago.
Thicker - Newbies pop out all the time. Gaining thickness needs time, unfort.
Volume - Yes. But not extra volume, it just didn't decrease it. Naturally it reached its maximum.

If it makes it grow faster that's a triumph for me! If new hairs keep coming - amazing :crush:

I used other things too, not just onion. It could all affect it. But I stick to it at least for a month from now on.

Oh, good luck! New growth is great and non-decreasing volume is ALWAYS great!:)

[herdaughter77]

Well, I don't have thin hair, but I've got the fine part. :)
Ever since I've been dipping the (whole, long) ends in vinegar instead of washing w/ shampoo, it's been so much easier to brush out. I can actually wear it down for a period of time without dealing with rats nests later.

[Cyndeigh]

Wow Herdaughter77!!! Your hair is amazing!!

[gogirlanime]

Well, I don't have thin hair, but I've got the fine part. :)
Ever since I've been dipping the (whole, long) ends in vinegar instead of washing w/ shampoo, it's been so much easier to brush out. I can actually wear it down for a period of time without dealing with rats nests later.

You can sort of "wash" your hair with vinegar instead of shampoo? How well does this work? What type of vinegar do you use. I've been wanting to use a shampoo alternative and use "real" shampoo much less often. If you have some more info would you mind letting me know please? Or a link, something?

[PurplePenguin]

I must agree that you have amazing hair herdaughter77! Very lovely!

[Kapri]

Audrey,

I don't have a camera and my mobile is a flop with pics..my main opportunity for pics is my close friend who has just given birth to a new baby but when she is recovered, I'll get her to take some. It is looking better to me today. I think the problem is that the cut is a cut designed to be worn with straightened hair and looks a bit 'nothingy' when it just hangs. My hair is not thin looking until you examine it closely ... it boofs out quite a bit when it is washed. I do not like the straightened look. The hairdresser really steamed it straight and I don't usually have a blow dry like that. Next time I am off to the London long hair salon for a trim. It will be interesting to see the way he works with the way my hair actually hangs.

I was also concerned .. it is a very good cut in the sense that it is very precise etc ... that my hair was repeatedly combed while wet to ensure a very clean and precise cut. I'm not sure my hair likes that very much. Perhaps it is settling back into itself now!!!

It is really nice being able to share this stuff and I will get a recent pic to you!

x

[Audrey Horne]

Audrey,

I don't have a camera and my mobile is a flop with pics..my main opportunity for pics is my close friend who has just given birth to a new baby but when she is recovered, I'll get her to take some. It is looking better to me today. I think the problem is that the cut is a cut designed to be worn with straightened hair and looks a bit 'nothingy' when it just hangs. My hair is not thin looking until you examine it closely ... it boofs out quite a bit when it is washed. I do not like the straightened look. The hairdresser really steamed it straight and I don't usually have a blow dry like that. Next time I am off to the London long hair salon for a trim. It will be interesting to see the way he works with the way my hair actually hangs.

I was also concerned .. it is a very good cut in the sense that it is very precise etc ... that my hair was repeatedly combed while wet to ensure a very clean and precise cut. I'm not sure my hair likes that very much. Perhaps it is settling back into itself now!!!

It is really nice being able to share this stuff and I will get a recent pic to you!

x

Don't worry, it is just a beginning of your hair growing trip isn't it? It will get better over time. Maybe you should cut more and maintain length for longer and your hemline will improve. It shows a lot on the fine hair IMO

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/album.php?albumid=7932&pictureid=105461 that's how my hemline looked like roughly a year ago when I came to LHC. I've been growing out the layers and also didn't trim for over a year, previous hairloss and all that. The ends are wispy and thin. DH chopped them for me a month or two later.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/album.php?albumid=7932&pictureid=108724 that's how it looked after. Not perfect, not great but better and a bit thicker.

I hope the links work. What I want to say is that it's possible, it just takes time, in my opinion... and yes, some hair thins out earlier than the other. If my hair will start to get thin at the ends despite maintaining it then I won't grow it to the lengths I have in my mind...

Stick to whatever works, the quality can improve greatly! (mine did)

[Kapri]

OOH my goodness ..the difference is phenomenal!!

Would you mind telling me your routine unless you have posted it elsewhere?

Kapri x

[punkcatknitter]

*waves* I guess I should start hanging out in here. *pouts* I have been told by stylists that I have baby fine hair, but I was in denial until I had a HUGE shed last year and now I can't help pouting at how much thinner my hair has become.

Although on the bright side, it's still growing. :) I'm right at butt crack length which makes me very happy. I'll try and upload some new pictures later.

[Audrey Horne]

OOH my goodness ..the difference is phenomenal!!

Would you mind telling me your routine unless you have posted it elsewhere?

Kapri x
Thanks! Check out my Routine section on my profile, I've written quite a lot there but not everything. I try something new all the time to see what gives good results, what works.

When I came to LHC I was overwhelmed and tried practically everything that's popular over here. First things were a bio SLS-free shampoo and a coneless conditioner. Then I saw how my [I]real[/] hair looked like, I was shocked! It lacked everything possible and looked awful.


*waves* I guess I should start hanging out in here. *pouts* I have been told by stylists that I have baby fine hair, but I was in denial until I had a HUGE shed last year and now I can't help pouting at how much thinner my hair has become.

Although on the bright side, it's still growing. :) I'm right at butt crack length which makes me very happy. I'll try and upload some new pictures later.

Good luck with shed recovering :flower: Not all stylists know how to deal with fine hair, especially if it's wavy or curly. Many yanked my hair with plastic brushes so viciously (wet!)! And thinned out with a razor/scissors it looked half thinner to me afterwards. I'm yet to find a diplomatic stylist one day who tolerates my odd shampoo choices, etc. LOL
Do you trim hair yourself? Being at BC must be easier to do it.

[punkcatknitter]

I do trim my own hair. I haven't had my hair professionally cut since the last time I had it cut chin length (which you can see in my signature). I let my mom trim it once when I was SL or so... then I discovered self trims. :) I can't get over how easy it is!

Plus I have tons of splits, some being from my dyeing days, some because my hair hates me lately. :) So my hair cutting scissors come out quite often for S&D's. I just started catnip rinses, I'm hoping that will help.

[sfgirl]

I do trim my own hair. I haven't had my hair professionally cut since the last time I had it cut chin length (which you can see in my signature). I let my mom trim it once when I was SL or so... then I discovered self trims. :) I can't get over how easy it is!

Plus I have tons of splits, some being from my dyeing days, some because my hair hates me lately. :) So my hair cutting scissors come out quite often for S&D's. I just started catnip rinses, I'm hoping that will help.

If you haven't answered it before, what is your circumference? Your hair is beautiful and I get afraid mine won't look good when it's really long because it isn't thick like a lot of lucky girls here. :(

[herdaughter77]

You can sort of "wash" your hair with vinegar instead of shampoo? How well does this work? What type of vinegar do you use. I've been wanting to use a shampoo alternative and use "real" shampoo much less often. If you have some more info would you mind letting me know please? Or a link, something?

I only dip it in (apple cider) vinegar and just barely rub the hair togethr to make sure all of it is vinegar-ed. (I also rub baking soda dissolved in water into my scalp) For me, vinegar works wonders when it comes to tangles. Conditioner NEVER worked in my hair to keep the tangles away.
Also, the vinegar gives my hair a reddish hue. :)

I use the vinegar & baking soda routine instead of shampoo and conditioner. ;)

I discovered the method from my sister, so I have to admit, I have no other sources or links.
Hope this helps!

[MsBubbles]

I have been told by stylists that I have baby fine hair, .

So do you have 'baby fine hair'? You have it listed as a solid medium thickness! Do you think the stylists didn't really know what they were talking about?
Just curious.

[Hollyfire3]

So do you have 'baby fine hair'? You have it listed as a solid medium thickness! Do you think the stylists didn't really know what they were talking about?
Just curious.

I can second that, I have had stylists tell me my hair was fine and not thick and wouldn't grow long (right....it can pass as course strands, the ponytail is 4.25 and I have like no taper at nearly BSL) some stylists just get confused, trust your own opinion first is what I think, don't just go with what they say.

[MsBubbles]

Ok Hollyfire3, that makes sense. I think when we join here and go through the hair typing part, we are a lot more interested in getting it right, and we spend some time scrutinizing our individual strands! I don't think the stylists do that.

I certainly have 'baby fine' hair, and no stylist has ever told me otherwise. I'd love to have some mediums in there, though :).

[Hollyfire3]

Ok Hollyfire3, that makes sense. I think when we join here and go through the hair typing part, we are a lot more interested in getting it right, and we spend some time scrutinizing our individual strands! I don't think the stylists do that.

I certainly have 'baby fine' hair, and no stylist has ever told me otherwise. I'd love to have some mediums in there, though :).


Yeah, that stylist was the only one who has ever told me all of that about my hair, others have said how thick it is and how great it would look very long...but then again, this misjudgment by the one stylist i mention was when my hair was being flat ironed twice daily, washed nearly every day on top of that, dyed but not really treated well and overall just, not in good condition, but still I think she was just jealous, her hair was thinner and curly and not so nice, so I may never know....I just know she was wrong in all of the areas she commented on....the sad part is I actually believed her for a while, then I found this place, REALLY looked at my hair and realized I had no reason to doubt myself and my own thoughts, because I was the one who was right, stylists sometimes just, judge without thinking (not bashing, just saying from experience) most don't but some just assume.

[Audrey Horne]

I can second that, I have had stylists tell me my hair was fine and not thick and wouldn't grow long (right....it can pass as course strands, the ponytail is 4.25 and I have like no taper at nearly BSL) some stylists just get confused, trust your own opinion first is what I think, don't just go with what they say.
but this thread is surely interesting, isn't it? :P I never leave it.

[Hollyfire3]

but this thread is surely interesting, isn't it? :P I never leave it.

Yup it sure is! I have neither fine nor thin hair, but I like hanging with you guys!:)

[girlcat36]

So do you have 'baby fine hair'? You have it listed as a solid medium thickness! Do you think the stylists didn't really know what they were talking about?
Just curious.

I was kind of wondering the same thing about stylists. My DD said she was told by a stylist that she has very fine hair. That surprised me since my hair is so much finer than hers. Maybe some stylists have not come across truly babyfine hair.

[Kapri]

Audrey,

Hi. I've checked your routine and there are lots of things in there to emulate. I wouldn't dare trim my own hair because the cut relies on a precision technique. When it is longer I will attempt a trim or go to a local super cheap hairdresser for a dry trim. I am going to test out Neil at the London Long Hair clinic next time I have it done. He does a fab dry trim apparently.

Nutritrition, oiling etc I am into good nutrition, take iron, protein tablets and am currently using a complete variety of shampoos and conditioners and making sure I do not over condition the ends which ended up recently with very dry, frizzy, coated ends.

Perhaps it is just time.

You are also going virgin. I toyed with that but could not bear in the end to go grey in patches. Back to Tints of Nature a gentle box dye and wondering if I will ever achieve a cool enough brown with henna!

Very interesting to see your tips!

Kapri

[Audrey Horne]

Audrey,

Hi. I've checked your routine and there are lots of things in there to emulate. I wouldn't dare trim my own hair because the cut relies on a precision technique. When it is longer I will attempt a trim or go to a local super cheap hairdresser for a dry trim. I am going to test out Neil at the London Long Hair clinic next time I have it done. He does a fab dry trim apparently.

Nutritrition, oiling etc I am into good nutrition, take iron, protein tablets and am currently using a complete variety of shampoos and conditioners and making sure I do not over condition the ends which ended up recently with very dry, frizzy, coated ends.

Perhaps it is just time.

You are also going virgin. I toyed with that but could not bear in the end to go grey in patches. Back to Tints of Nature a gentle box dye and wondering if I will ever achieve a cool enough brown with henna!

Very interesting to see your tips!

Kapri

Oh I don't write everything because I'd have to update my info every few days. I also doubt that many people would love to go for my "recipes" :o

Did you check your thyroid function? Your hormones could be off. I plan to check mine this year as I suspect it could be the case.

I don't really trim my own. My husband does it for me. I only S&D and dust by myself and IF anything isn't precise then he fixes it :o but it hasn't happened yet. I think it is easier to trim yourself when your hair is actually long. It was easier for me at BSL than at shoulder or APL.

Some conditioners have too much alcohol in them IMO and that's the reason they might dry you out. I'm not an expert but it has happened to me not once.

[kellinaturalmom]

Did you check your thyroid function? Your hormones could be off. I plan to check mine this year as I suspect it could be the case.


Audrey, this is so true! My mom and sister both have thyroid disease and my mom has been completely grey for 20 years (she's 53) and my sister, who is only 29, is more than half.

[Cyndeigh]

Oh I don't write everything because I'd have to update my info every few days. I also doubt that many people would love to go for my "recipes" :o

Did you check your thyroid function? Your hormones could be off. I plan to check mine this year as I suspect it could be the case.

I don't really trim my own. My husband does it for me. I only S&D and dust by myself and IF anything isn't precise then he fixes it :o but it hasn't happened yet. I think it is easier to trim yourself when your hair is actually long. It was easier for me at BSL than at shoulder or APL.

Some conditioners have too much alcohol in them IMO and that's the reason they might dry you out. I'm not an expert but it has happened to me not once.

Audrey,
I am trying to access your profile, but I cannot. Do I have to have so many posts before I am allowed to view public profile?

[MsBubbles]

I was kind of wondering the same thing about stylists. My DD said she was told by a stylist that she has very fine hair. That surprised me since my hair is so much finer than hers. Maybe some stylists have not come across truly babyfine hair.

I was thinking also it's perhaps a relativity thing, based on the majority of their salon's local clientele, but I couldn't figure out how to say it without sounding like I was over-generalizing about various ethnic groups. But I suppose if a particular stylist just has never handled extremely fine hair, they'd consider the finer side of M to be 'babyfine'.


Hollyfire3: that must be nice to have a stylist tell you your hair is nice and thick and would look great long! That's something I will never hear. LOL.

[Hollyfire3]

I was thinking also it's perhaps a relativity thing, based on the majority of their salon's local clientele, but I couldn't figure out how to say it without sounding like I was over-generalizing about various ethnic groups. But I suppose if a particular stylist just has never handled extremely fine hair, they'd consider the finer side of M to be 'babyfine'.


Hollyfire3: that must be nice to have a stylist tell you your hair is nice and thick and would look great long! That's something I will never hear. LOL.

Yeah, its nice, especially after having damaged fried hair for so long, I feared I was doomed..... oh and hating my curls and thickness than loosing the curls to heat damage (which I am still dealing with it) it sure feels good to hear something nice about my hair, just because its thick doesn't mean its any better than finner or thinner hair, it takes far to long to style, gives me headaches up, lots of other stuff so I'm sure your hair will look GREAT long! Thick or thin or inbetween, long hair is beautiful!:)

[Audrey Horne]

Audrey, this is so true! My mom and sister both have thyroid disease and my mom has been completely grey for 20 years (she's 53) and my sister, who is only 29, is more than half.
I'm sorry to hear that :( I wish we were all healthy.
Did it become any better with medication? I've read a lot that if you have "borderline hypothyroid" you might have the symptomps but docs usually do nothing about it. Because it's not that number, you know.


Audrey,
I am trying to access your profile, but I cannot. Do I have to have so many posts before I am allowed to view public profile?
I think you need 25 in total. I know it's frustrating. We've been there :)

[GlennaGirl]

Audrey, this is so true! My mom and sister both have thyroid disease and my mom has been completely grey for 20 years (she's 53) and my sister, who is only 29, is more than half.

I have thyroid disease (medicated) and I only have two or three gray hairs, but my hair is quite thin.

[Silverbrumby]

I have thyroid disease (medicated) and I only have two or three gray hairs, but my hair is quite thin.

I have thyroid disease and now have fine hair. That might be perimenopausal the fine hair now as it was thicker in my early 40's.

btw, at 48 I have about 40 grey hairs. Both my mum and dad went grey later in life.

[Kapri]

Hi Audrey and other fine hairs,

I've had hormonal issues, pcos etc and am taking iron and using drops because of that. I think my hair is always going to be on the thin side but I just need to optimise my treatment of it. The tips here are great and I will continue to be gentle with it and not overdo treatments or handling. It is better than it was. When I was in my late twenties hairdressers used to wonder what I was doing with my hair! When I was in my late thirties a trichologist almost used pics of my scalp for a lecture on hair loss! Taking iron (to boost ferritin levels) and protein tablets and generally looking at my diet has improved my hair. I just want to take it to the next level!!

Kapri

[girlcat36]

Nutritrition, oiling etc I am into good nutrition, take iron, protein tablets and am currently using a complete variety of shampoos and conditioners and making sure I do not over condition the ends which ended up recently with very dry, frizzy, coated ends.

Kapri

Kapri---what are these 'protein tablets' you are taking?

[Kapri]

Hi Girlcat,

I take Philip Kingsley Gelatin 650 mg which contain a spread of amino acids but there are other ways to do it. My best results came from cooking with coconut oil and increasing protein in my diet..my hairdresser said my density doubled in 6 months!

[UP Lisa]

Taking gelatin never did anything for my hair.

[MsBubbles]

I had to come here to whine to some folks who might feel my pain. I am recovering from a shed (but I think I just started another one :(). Instead of burning thicker-haired blog readers out on my utter sadness about my thin and stupidly fine hair, I just have to say it here, since you might know just what I'm talking about. After being disgusted at a recent length shot, I decided I would just do a 4 month 'put it up and forget about it' stint. But the only updo I have is the pretzel bun. It works great at any length but honestly I don't want to wear it every single day! It's the one single updo that doesn't pull, slip out, or give me headaches. It also doesn't spit out hairtoys.

So tonight I thought I'd spend some time looking for new updos to try, since I don't have a good track record in learning them or being successful with them.

First of all, I noticed on the monthly hairstyle section, it's mostly M's or C textured hair posting lovely bun or other updo pics. I notice that not many fine haired's post there. Maybe there are more Ms and Cs on LHC than fine's. I can't get any of those darned hairstyles to work on my hair! I just attempted doing some kind of rope twisting thing at the crown/temples, and I pulled so much hair out it was tragic. What I did achieve was a greasy little knot. My hair is so sparse at the temples I had to use my very fingertips to roll the little sections to twist them. I notice big haired and coarse haired people get to use their hands and fists to twist their gigantic sections. For me, it's like I'm rolling a cigarette up. But the sad part is I don't seem to be able to find ANY more updos than the pretzel bun. English braids slide out, as do French and Dutch, even if I've aloed them to death. Then the wispies all jump out wet and prickly looking because of the aloe :-(.

Help!

I am not willing to wear any updo that pulls (pretty much ALL of them do that because I don't have much hair), or any that I need to re-do several times a day.

Any suggestions? Or at least any suggestions on how to approach this again so that I don't start throwing bathroom objects?

I really really hate my hair right now. It's just sad that I can't even put it up and forget about it til later!

[kellinaturalmom]

MsBubbles, I have the same problem and will be waiting to see if anyone has any great ideas...

[MsBubbles]

Kellinaturalmom: thanks! It's nice to know I'm not alone in my frustration.

[Audrey Horne]

Kellinaturalmom: thanks! It's nice to know I'm not alone in my frustration.

Not alone. I have such cutting urges, almost manic feelings recently! I have neither thickness, nor length, nor coarseness. I can't do anything but a weird looking sockbun (because hair is so short and still layered) and a pathetic thin braid that falls out in 5 min. Knowing that most of my bun is a sock isn't a comforting feeling. I absolutely cannot wear my hair down as well!
You know, I wish I could help but I'm just as frustrated with everything about my hair.
Maybe we should make a thread for fine hairdos... IDK maybe using a scarf somehow? Similar of those braids of Frida Kahlo. Hers was coarse and thick, yes but the scarf idea is lovely. I can't do it on me yet... too short. But if I get a dark scarf I try it anyway.

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[islandboo]

Look up the Neoma Knot - it is my go to style when my hair will not hold for anything else. I can do a lazy wrap and nautilus when my hair is behaving itself, a Celtic Knot when it is a little fussy, but the Neoma Knot holds pretty much all the time. I also have to adapt updo steps to wrap my hair around only one or two fingers instead of the whole palm and I don't remember if the instructions for the Neoma Knot use all 4 fingers or less, but I use my pointer and middle fingers to wrap around. The pictures in my album with the blue opal topped crystal Lady Idun stick, birdseye maple MonktheMonk stick and opaline topped 4 tine Quattro fork are all the Neoma Knot.

[MsBubbles]

Thanks, Islandboo. I appreciate your taking the time to comment. The Neoma Knot looks like the pretzel thing that I do. Yes, that does hold very well. Neoma's hair looks lovely.

Sticks and forks just slide right out again on me (yes, even upwards somehow).

I could possibly get some different versions of the knotty bun pretzel thing that I do, but I was rather hoping for some updos that looked more varied. The scraped back bun thing just isn't flattering at my age. I should've mentioned that, I guess.

Here is something (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/vbjournal.php?do=article&articleid=125) I'd like to try, an alternate ponytail type thing by KarenLynn. I don't have the right barettes yet though. I don't wear ponytails because they pull and hurt so bad, so I'm wondering whether this one will work.

Thanks for the commiserations, AudreyHorne!

[Nenwing]

Not sure if this is a fine hair problem or what, but do any of you have hair that right where just above the temples, on both sides (about where a guy first starts to go bald in the front), is hair that just will not grow past about eyeball or nose length? It drives me NUTS because it always manages to escape and tickle my nose to death. Sometimes aloe gel helps, or hairspray, but I have to be very careful to not use too much as it easily looks greasy due to my hair being so fine.

I don't know if something is wrong with my hair there or what, but I notice some other people (IRL) have it, but many don't seem to.

[MsBubbles]

Nenwing, I don't have much hair at my temples either. I'm not bald there but it's even finer than the rest of it! This also affects how sad my updo's look from the front. I didn't notice I had this until I noticed my daughter's hairline, which does the same!

[sfgirl]

I have the same thing around my temples, though it doesn't bother me. I save on getting a few face framing layers cut in. ;)

[oktobergoud]

Not sure if this is a fine hair problem or what, but do any of you have hair that right where just above the temples, on both sides (about where a guy first starts to go bald in the front), is hair that just will not grow past about eyeball or nose length? It drives me NUTS because it always manages to escape and tickle my nose to death. Sometimes aloe gel helps, or hairspray, but I have to be very careful to not use too much as it easily looks greasy due to my hair being so fine.

I don't know if something is wrong with my hair there or what, but I notice some other people (IRL) have it, but many don't seem to.

You're not alone! Mine doesn't even get longer than an inch or so :P

[MsBubbles]

Ok I have slept on it (and talked to the DBF, which helped). I'm sorry for my negative ranting the past few days about my hair. Things look a bit clearer this morning (although not particularly more hopeful!). I have thought about my first long-hair idol, who has become a friend over time. She has thicker hair than me with body wave so really I have no business idolizing her hair as mine will never look like hers. However, the point is that I realized she never puts her hair up in styles she doesn't care about, but puts it up in plenty of ways she likes. Of course it all works fabulously with her hair type and she does a beautiful job of her updos. So what I am taking away from all this is that if I have three ways of wearing my hair that I can live with that doesn't make me look beat ugly, I should be happy with that. That is, there are plenty of updo-capable long haired ladies, who don't do a different updo a day for six months straight, etc., and I don't have to feel bad if I can't achieve any of the hairstyle of the month's.

My DBF said I should just wear it down all the time if I couldn't get it into any updos. I said it looked thin & straggly, and he said that was just my opinion, not others'.

So I am working on my attitude, while working on trying to find at least one other regular updo that works and looks nice.

Thanks for the support and putting up with me whining!

[UP Lisa]

I have felt the pain of having baby fine hair most of my life. I've always loved and wanted long hair. For many years I kept my hair short thinking that I just did not have the type of hair that could be long. Eventually I decided to grow it out anyway. All in all it is easier to care for than when it was short because i don't spend the time curling it every day and worrying about it going straight or just being messed up. I don't seem to have a lot of trouble with hairtoys falling out for some reason. My hair is thin on the sides and in the front, which drives me crazy. It makes it impossible to do some styles. However, I am grateful to have as much hair as I do, and that it still grows long at my age. I don't know how to do very many styles, and don't seem to have the ambition to learn more. I don't braid much because it is so difficult to separate my hair into sections. It just wants to stick together like velcro. I feel like I end up braking so much of it just trying to separate it. I have the world's most tangly hair, it seems. I also have been dealing with a very oily scalp forever. All this does get to me sometimes, but I am never really tempted to cut.

[Bonkers57]

That's okay, I've been whining a lot myself. I just have to accept what is and that the things I can do with my hair are limited. My hair has always been fine but I used to have more of it. I can admire someone else's hair and just do what I can with mine.

What I'm wrestling with now is bangs and face-framing layers...or not? I like how they look when my hair is freshly washed and styled. Unfortunately, that doesn't last long. I really don't like how I look with all my hair pulled back. But I also really don't like greasy, flat hair with stringy strands sticking to my face. Guess I just need to figure out what is the lesser of the two evils. :shrug:


Ok I have slept on it (and talked to the DBF, which helped). I'm sorry for my negative ranting the past few days about my hair. Things look a bit clearer this morning (although not particularly more hopeful!). I have thought about my first long-hair idol, who has become a friend over time. She has thicker hair than me with body wave so really I have no business idolizing her hair as mine will never look like hers. However, the point is that I realized she never puts her hair up in styles she doesn't care about, but puts it up in plenty of ways she likes. Of course it all works fabulously with her hair type and she does a beautiful job of her updos. So what I am taking away from all this is that if I have three ways of wearing my hair that I can live with that doesn't make me look beat ugly, I should be happy with that. That is, there are plenty of updo-capable long haired ladies, who don't do a different updo a day for six months straight, etc., and I don't have to feel bad if I can't achieve any of the hairstyle of the month's.

My DBF said I should just wear it down all the time if I couldn't get it into any updos. I said it looked thin & straggly, and he said that was just my opinion, not others'.

So I am working on my attitude, while working on trying to find at least one other regular updo that works and looks nice.

Thanks for the support and putting up with me whining!

[MsBubbles]

What I'm wrestling with now is bangs and face-framing layers...or not? I like how they look when my hair is freshly washed and styled. Unfortunately, that doesn't last long. I really don't like how I look with all my hair pulled back. But I also really don't like greasy, flat hair with stringy strands sticking to my face. Guess I just need to figure out what is the lesser of the two evils. :shrug:

Yes. The age-old agonizing question for fine/straight hairs! I think if I lived in a place where humidity were on the lower side of things all year round, I might go with the face-framing layers/bangs that I could 'pouf' up a little with a blowfrying & rollers, because at least it'd stay somewhat poufy for longer than five minutes! But living in GA, forget about it.

Ah well. Here's to making the best of what we have! :beerchug:

[UP Lisa]

Acceptance is key to happiness in so many areas of life, and I've never been very good at it.



That's okay, I've been whining a lot myself. I just have to accept what is and that the things I can do with my hair are limited. My hair has always been fine but I used to have more of it. I can admire someone else's hair and just do what I can with mine.

What I'm wrestling with now is bangs and face-framing layers...or not? I like how they look when my hair is freshly washed and styled. Unfortunately, that doesn't last long. I really don't like how I look with all my hair pulled back. But I also really don't like greasy, flat hair with stringy strands sticking to my face. Guess I just need to figure out what is the lesser of the two evils. :shrug:

[islandboo]

Thanks, Islandboo. I appreciate your taking the time to comment. The Neoma Knot looks like the pretzel thing that I do. Yes, that does hold very well. Neoma's hair looks lovely.

Sticks and forks just slide right out again on me (yes, even upwards somehow).

I could possibly get some different versions of the knotty bun pretzel thing that I do, but I was rather hoping for some updos that looked more varied. The scraped back bun thing just isn't flattering at my age. I should've mentioned that, I guess.

Here is something (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/vbjournal.php?do=article&articleid=125) I'd like to try, an alternate ponytail type thing by KarenLynn. I don't have the right barettes yet though. I don't wear ponytails because they pull and hurt so bad, so I'm wondering whether this one will work.

Thanks for the commiserations, AudreyHorne!

Ah, I see. Have you tried doing a topknot? My hair has a strong preference for laying flat so when I force it to go upward as in a topknot I get a bit of volume around my face as a result of the hair straining against that direction. It looks almost Victorian which might not be what you're going for but it is definitely a change for me. The other suggestion is still a pulled back look, but it is more fun: the Midsummer Bun. It is basically a Celtic Knot, so it holds pretty well, but the ends are free so it is less severe.

What sticks and forks are you using? Metal and acrylic don't hold nearly as well for me as wood, and even then it depends on the finish. Some wood sticks have a little grip to them (like Elymwold) and if you can get a wood stick with a ball element or a rippled shaft, that helps them stay as well.

[Xi]

:grouphug: Hang in there, MsBubbles! Don't I know the frustration of updos that work great in thick hair falling out/pulling/looking stupid in mine! I'm glad the morning light brought perspective & balance.:meditate: Now and then I try out new updos, but generally these days I just alternate between braided cinnabun & KarenLynn's knot (longer hair version). You're totally right about finding what you like and not bothering about the rest -- most updos are just never going to look nice in my hair, so forget about them.:magic: Your hair truly looks beautiful and shining in your avatar picture; may you have many good hair days to compensate for your hair frustrations! :)

[MsBubbles]

That will probably work, Islandboo: to approach buns from more of a topknot perspective, at least to start with! It's probably going to all slide downwards anyway. I can't do those gravity-defying, middle of the back of the head buns either. It has to be almost on top of my head. Good idea about the Victorian type relaxed parts too. This appears to be the best way to fake any kind of pouf! I will try that a bit more.

Xi, thanks for the comment! Having a better attitude today certainly helps. When I think about all the people I've known IRL, or even thinking of certain celebs, it's all in how they carry it off. For the most part, feeling good in one's skin (hair!) is attractive and catching. People want more of that. They don't need to know that my rope braids look like greasy strings. :)

[Audrey Horne]

chignon maybe? one of a few things I can do :D

[Kapri]

Taking gelatin never did anything for my hair.

Interesting... well I can't always tell with my hair but my nails are so resilient and strong now and they were flaking and breaking! So it probably is helping my hair too. This is a good brand of gelatine capsule.

[earthnut]

My mom has fine wavy hair that she keeps in a pixie cut because she thinks its too fine to grow out. I think just the opposite, and think she would look a lot better, fuller, and more youthful if she grew her hair out a little! I don't see her having long hair, but I think that a chin or shoulder length hairstyle would look so good on her. She's in her 60's, and has dark salt-n-pepper hair.

So I'm here asking how can she help her hair be fuller looking now, and can you give me some inspirational pictures to help me encourage her to glory in her hair? I don't know a whole lot about her hair routine, but I know she uses baby shampoo because she's allergic to SLS and she uses styling gel. Thanks!

[OhioLisa]

I have found that a few simple modifications can allow for almost any style to be done on thinner / finer hair. I have quite a few styles in my repertoire. I have made vids of a couple, and could make more, if that is of interest to anyone??

[ravenheather]

I have found that a few simple modifications can allow for almost any style to be done on thinner / finer hair. I have quite a few styles in my repertoire. I have made vids of a couple, and could make more, if that is of interest to anyone??

Bring it on. Love videos/tutorials. It would be nice to see some that I have a hope of doing someday.

[Cyndeigh]

Not sure if this is a fine hair problem or what, but do any of you have hair that right where just above the temples, on both sides (about where a guy first starts to go bald in the front), is hair that just will not grow past about eyeball or nose length? It drives me NUTS because it always manages to escape and tickle my nose to death. Sometimes aloe gel helps, or hairspray, but I have to be very careful to not use too much as it easily looks greasy due to my hair being so fine.

I don't know if something is wrong with my hair there or what, but I notice some other people (IRL) have it, but many don't seem to.

I have it, but it is not to noticeable as I wear bangs! I always thought it was my sunglasses breaking off the hair that got caught in the arms!:shrug:

[whitedove]

My mom has fine wavy hair that she keeps in a pixie cut because she thinks its too fine to grow out. I think just the opposite, and think she would look a lot better, fuller, and more youthful if she grew her hair out a little! I don't see her having long hair, but I think that a chin or shoulder length hairstyle would look so good on her. She's in her 60's, and has dark salt-n-pepper hair.

So I'm here asking how can she help her hair be fuller looking now, and can you give me some inspirational pictures to help me encourage her to glory in her hair? I don't know a whole lot about her hair routine, but I know she uses baby shampoo because she's allergic to SLS and she uses styling gel. Thanks!

Take a look in salt and pepper thread someone has posted a link from pintress of loads of silver/grey and peppered hairstyles many long tho :)

[MsBubbles]

OhioLisa: thanks! I will take a look. I think I already spent some time doing so a year or two ago, but it bears doing again! ETA: Wow. Your updos look lovely. Have you uploaded any videos yet? I like how you have managed to make your updo sections look plentiful in some of them.

I am not quite at the low-slung updo stage yet. Maybe I will change my mind. I really need to avoid the plastered-to-the scalp look, especially in the front. This is why I don't try chignons or nape buns or other low updos. I don't have bangs or face-clinging layers :). It's just too severe on me at my age to have it scraped downwards and stuck to my head. My high, staple bun allows me to fake a bit of poof at the front. But yes, it is the one single updo I can achieve.

[punkcatknitter]

If you haven't answered it before, what is your circumference? Your hair is beautiful and I get afraid mine won't look good when it's really long because it isn't thick like a lot of lucky girls here. :(

Um, I'm not totally sure. I tried measuring for the first time a few days ago and I think it was 3", but I'm not sure if I did it right. Thank you for the compliments on my hair, but it has gotten a lot thinner the past year. I was trying to upload new pictures but I guess everyone's having issues today, so I'll have to try again later.


So do you have 'baby fine hair'? You have it listed as a solid medium thickness! Do you think the stylists didn't really know what they were talking about?
Just curious.

I'll admit I totally guessed on the thickness, I didn't know what to put. :shrug: I don't know if she was right. She was the only stylist I actually liked. I was told I had thick hair a lot when I was a kid, but I think it was just because I had long hair (waist to classic), so there was a lot of it.

[Audrey Horne]

I really need to avoid the plastered-to-the scalp look, especially in the front. This is why I don't try chignons or nape buns or other low updos. I don't have bangs or face-clinging layers :). It's just too severe on me at my age to have it scraped downwards and stuck to my head. My high, staple bun allows me to fake a bit of poof at the front. But yes, it is the one single updo I can achieve.
I do "chignons" on the top which is probably not a chignon anymore :o I make a high ponytail, tie a wide (not slippery) ribbon/a scarf closer to pony's end, then roll it forward all the way, hiding the ends. Tie it all, pin it if needed. Sometimes I slightly decorate it. But this pseudo-chignon always looks nice. Idk if it has a name.

[chrissy-b]

I haven't read through this whole thread in so long, so I hope that my comments haven't already been covered somewhere else.


It's the one single updo that doesn't pull, slip out, or give me headaches. It also doesn't spit out hairtoys.
...
Any suggestions? Or at least any suggestions on how to approach this again so that I don't start throwing bathroom objects?

I don't have any specific style ideas beyond the ones that have already been mentioned, but I find that using some kind of product on dry hair helps. I've had really good luck with using a bit of conditioner on my length to give it a little tackiness so it holds better. Shea butter works well too. I've never had luck with getting aloe to hold anything well. Usually when I let my hair down afterward it has a bit of a wave for about 2 seconds too! :smile:

I can also only use slightly rougher wood hairsticks. Dymondwood and anything plastic just slips right out. I don't know if it's the best thing to use a slightly less polished wood, but I prefer it to having to re-do my hairstyle.


I am not quite at the low-slung updo stage yet. Maybe I will change my mind. I really need to avoid the plastered-to-the scalp look, especially in the front. This is why I don't try chignons or nape buns or other low updos. I don't have bangs or face-clinging layers :). It's just too severe on me at my age to have it scraped downwards and stuck to my head. My high, staple bun allows me to fake a bit of poof at the front. But yes, it is the one single updo I can achieve.

Low-slung seems to hold much better on my slippery hair. I would recommend you give them a try. There are other ways to get the poof at the front too. I clip a little bouffant (I don't know what else to call it!) with bobby pins to give my front a little extra lift so it doesn't look so harsh.

Hope that helps! :flower:

[Neoma]

Thanks, Islandboo. The Neoma Knot looks like the pretzel thing that I do. Yes, that does hold very well. Neoma's hair looks lovely.
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Neoma says thank you. :flowers:

My hair is baby fine and very thin at the crown, but not in the back. I find that many wrapped buns work well for me. Some, like the Lazy Wrap Bun, are meant to be secured with a single stick, but if I add a second stick, it holds better for me.

French twists work well for me if I secure them with a Ficcare.

My "go to" style is...drum roll please...the Neoma knot. It holds when my hair is to slippery to hold any other style.

:flower:

[Mai Gloeckchen]

There are very few hairstyles I can make only with a single hairstick or fork: too slippery, as you said. I prefer Ficcare. :) When I want a stick or a fork, I use a scurnchie at the base of my ponytail and/or I use severeal hairpins to secure the style. Or these tiny claw-clips in my haircolour. Very helpful and so tiny (smaller than a fingernail), that you can tuck them unter the remaining unfixed hair.

[UP Lisa]

How do you make the Neoma knot?

[Babyfine]

OhioLisa: thanks!

I am not quite at the low-slung updo stage yet. Maybe I will change my mind. I really need to avoid the plastered-to-the scalp look, especially in the front. This is why I don't try chignons or nape buns or other low updos. I don't have bangs or face-clinging layers :). It's just too severe on me at my age to have it scraped downwards and stuck to my head.

I really know what you mean-I have the same issue. This is why I have kept my longer bangs and face framing layers as my hair has grown back out but boy do they steal thickness, which I can't afford. Now I want my hair all one length again.

[Babyfine]

I do "chignons" on the top which is probably not a chignon anymore :o I make a high ponytail, tie a wide (not slippery) ribbon/a scarf closer to pony's end, then roll it forward all the way, hiding the ends. Tie it all, pin it if needed. Sometimes I slightly decorate it. But this pseudo-chignon always looks nice. Idk if it has a name.

That sounds like a style I'd be interested in trying-thanks!

[MsBubbles]

MaiGloeckchen, I love those tiny claw clips. They are perfect. I never get any pulling or painful strand-tugging when using those because I can evenly distribute the weight of the bun over 4 or 5 points. You'd think having such lightweight hair, the weight wouldn't be an issue, but relative to itself, it is. The scalp hair the bun is anchored to isn't too sturdy, either :rolleyes:.

Hey Neoma! Your hair is so glossy-looking. I see you are at hip also. In your French twists, what do you do with the excess length? Do you stuff it successfully behind the 'hump'? I was able to do that at waist length, but not at hip. It all springs back out again :o. And what type and which size ficcare do you use? Mine pulls on my scalp hair :(. It's a small maximas classic.

Chrissy-b: I am currently in a lull in my leave-in product progress. Nothing seems to be working right now. All the oils that used to work now dont. But yes otherwise, having some oil or product in there is a must if I want it to stay up.

AudreyHorne: That updo sounds really nice. I generally avoid ponytails because they pull my scalp hairs. Maybe if the bulk of the hair is pulled up closer to my head it won't pull as much. I will try it!

[Bonkers57]

Wow, I'll have to try that! :happydance: I usually ponytail mine, but I'm afraid of pulling too much hair out, so I want to try something different. My hair also is too slippery for hairsticks.


There are very few hairstyles I can make only with a single hairstick or fork: too slippery, as you said. I prefer Ficcare. :) When I want a stick or a fork, I use a scurnchie at the base of my ponytail and/or I use severeal hairpins to secure the style. Or these tiny claw-clips in my haircolour. Very helpful and so tiny (smaller than a fingernail), that you can tuck them unter the remaining unfixed hair.

[Neoma]

How do you make the Neoma knot?

Here (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/vbjournal.php?do=article&articleid=152)are instructions. :flower:

[Neoma]

Hey Neoma! Your hair is so glossy-looking. I see you are at hip also. In your French twists, what do you do with the excess length? Do you stuff it successfully behind the 'hump'? I was able to do that at waist length, but not at hip. It all springs back out again :o. And what type and which size ficcare do you use? Mine pulls on my scalp hair :(. It's a small maximas classic.
Thank you for the compliment, MsBubbles. :flowers:

I actually cut back to waist a couple of months ago, though it's probably nearing waist again.

I make my French twist by folding the length in half as if I were going to make a log roll. I stick my finger in the top of the "roll" and twist it straight up like you do with a normal French twist. Then I gently move the hair up the "spine" of the updo so the pocket is taller than it would normally be. I tuck the hair, which is already folded in half, into the pocket.

I have a love/hate relationship with Ficcares. I go through long periods where I find them to be uncomfortable. Right now, I'm loving them. I find that if I insert the Ficcare very near the top of the French twist and at a downward angle, it is more likely to be comfy. The angle is roughly 2:00 and 7:00 (like a clock hands).

I use medium Ficcares. Smalls are too small when my hair is this long.

:flower:

[MsBubbles]

Alright, well that settles it then! I'll just have to upgrade to a new medium Ficcare. :)

I will also try putting the Ficcare in as you mentioned, rather than horizontally, as I have been doing (when it pulls).

[Neoma]

Alright, well that settles it then! I'll just have to upgrade to a new medium Ficcare. :)

I will also try putting the Ficcare in as you mentioned, rather than horizontally, as I have been doing (when it pulls).

Please do let us know how the medium Ficcare works out for you. :flower:

[Audrey Horne]

MsBubbles there's no need for pony to be tight, you can also tie it with something instead of using an evil elastic. When it's all done and ready I'd advice to put a scrunchie over it to hide the ribbon/elastic at the back and to give it even more lift. Mine looks quite big and my hair is quite short. The longer the hair the bigger it should be.
Maybe I make it and take a pic sometimes.

[UP Lisa]

Thanks. Looks too complicated for me to manage, but I'll try it.

Lisa



Here (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/vbjournal.php?do=article&articleid=152)are instructions. :flower:

[AndreaPetrea]

I'm hating my hair these days :angry: It looks and feels thinner than ever, I can't believe it! I feel like chopping it off to chin length again, it didn't look as thin when it was that length.

I spent half an hour in a shop today trying to figure out if I should buy a round brush, some volume mousse, curlers, heat protectant... I ended up not buying anything because a) I don't have any money (good enough reason, right?) and b) I thought that in a longer perspective it would probably have the opposite effect.

But aaargh! I keep seeing people with beautiful thick and long hair. In Denmark I at least had company of many other women with Scandinavian hair, but here... :( I feel a bit ashamed.

[Audrey Horne]

I'm hating my hair these days :angry: It looks and feels thinner than ever, I can't believe it! I feel like chopping it off to chin length again, it didn't look as thin when it was that length.

I spent half an hour in a shop today trying to figure out if I should buy a round brush, some volume mousse, curlers, heat protectant... I ended up not buying anything because a) I don't have any money (good enough reason, right?) and b) I thought that in a longer perspective it would probably have the opposite effect.

But aaargh! I keep seeing people with beautiful thick and long hair. In Denmark I at least had company of many other women with Scandinavian hair, but here... :( I feel a bit ashamed.

Just hang in there. Adjusting to new water takes time and not to be underestimated! Seriously. Every time I travel my hair looks awful because I don't have enough time to adjust my routine. Then I come back home and it becomes better within a week or two. And c'mon... You're not blond medium-haired, so what! :) It doesn't mean you are any worse than them.

[MsBubbles]

AndreaPetrea...hang in there, like AudreyHorne says! Try to find something about your own hair that is perfectly great. I understand your frustration though. Here in the metro Atlanta area there is no shortage of women with thick, wavy manes.

AudreyHorne...ohh yes, pics please! :)

I tried doing a celtic knot last night. I tried following Elle's video (http://ellejtlc.blogspot.com/2011/02/celtic-knot-ficcare-hair-stick.html) but even though she shows it very clearly, I could not get my brain around it, just by seeing it. So I looked at Emi's instructions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUQAucReptY), and even though her hair was too dark for me to follow what she was doing, I think her written instructions helped me. Elle's hair is gorgeous and I landed on her blogspot by googling Ficcare. Her hair looks stunning with them, and NOTHING at all like my hair.

In any case, the whole thing on my hair was a dismal failure! My ends shot out of the knot so fast it was hilarious. Plus on the part where I'm supposed to 'pull the ends through', my ends disappeared to nothing so fast the knot had nothing to hold on to. Well that one is going to take a lot more product, and practice!

[AndreaPetrea]

Thank you both :o I do enjoy looking at all the beautiful hair here - I see waist length hair every day and also often hip or longer. But I rarely see people with as thin hair as mine. And with the fact that I already feel self conscious because I have to wear glasses (sudden contact lense allergy :rolleyes:) it just makes a bad combination.

But my hair looks better today. I co-washed with my normal conditioner and it turned out ok. But still, my hair looks thin. I was going through a lot of stress last year and in the beginning of this year, and I wonder if it has finally caught up with me.

[GlennaGirl]

Thank you both :o I do enjoy looking at all the beautiful hair here - I see waist length hair every day and also often hip or longer. But I rarely see people with as thin hair as mine. And with the fact that I already feel self conscious because I have to wear glasses (sudden contact lense allergy :rolleyes:) it just makes a bad combination.

But my hair looks better today. I co-washed with my normal conditioner and it turned out ok. But still, my hair looks thin. I was going through a lot of stress last year and in the beginning of this year, and I wonder if it has finally caught up with me.

I'm so sorry about your stress!

Glasses are kewl nowadays. ;) Wear 'em and rock 'em! I do. :)

[AndreaPetrea]

I'm so sorry about your stress!

Glasses are kewl nowadays. ;) Wear 'em and rock 'em! I do. :)

Thank you.

I'll try :D I think glasses can look great on other people, but mine have very thick glasses (glasses? lenses? What are they called?) - they were the cheapest glasses I could get and my eyesight is quite bad! Luckily, two new pairs are on their way to me!

My boyfriend loves how I look with glasses, though - but then again, he is 21 years older than me and loves everything that makes me look less teenage-like :laugh:

[Xi]

MsBubbles -- I've never been able to make the Celtic knot work in my hair -- I think the loops are just too uneven due to my taper, and my hair just slips out of it, every time. If you figure it out, tell us your secret. :)

[punkcatknitter]

Thank you.

I'll try :D I think glasses can look great on other people, but mine have very thick glasses (glasses? lenses? What are they called?) - they were the cheapest glasses I could get and my eyesight is quite bad! Luckily, two new pairs are on their way to me!

My boyfriend loves how I look with glasses, though - but then again, he is 21 years older than me and loves everything that makes me look less teenage-like :laugh:

If you haven't discovered it already, zenni optical is amazing. The glasses are ridiculously cheap so you can buy several pairs (I'm particularly fond of my zebra print ones).

[HennaHair]

I have super fine hair and use pure henna once a month at least. It makes my hair stronger and thicker. Zero split ends. For shampoo I use Dr. Bronner's Castile soap very diluted and almost never need conditioner. For fullness without hairsprays, gels, mouses etc I have been using sea salt water. John Masters Organics "sea mist" is the brand and it cost like $15 a bottle. It's just sea salt, water and lavender oil. When this bottle is gone I'm going to mix up my own for a fraction of the price.

[mendy]

I know, this belongs in the product area, maybe, but for fine hairs (particularly w/dry and damaged hair), I love:

Sudzz Whipped Cream and Honey Volumizing Shampoo...It's $18, but so few things work for me, I pay it!

Another thing, I found that combing my conditioner through my hair with a fine-toothed comb to get to my many fine strands helps a lot. I know, may be risking breakage, but otherwise condish only gets to every few strands and I have parched hair...

I am using GFTN (old formula), but not in love -- not moisturizing enough. Alternate with Shea Moisture conditioner, which is a little heavy for fine hair type. (Also use that as a leave-in.)

Does anyone know of a conditioner for very dry, damaged but fine hair that will make hair sleek w/out being too flat?...I know, tall order...

[wendylai]

so if you want more "wirey" hair, as mine is scandinavian-type finish.. do you have any recommendations? I read a lot of people use henna.. can you do that without coloring? I REALLY dont want ANY red in my hair..

Has anyone had any luck with "clarifying bleach highlights"? Is there any way to do that naturally, as my hair is virgin and I would rather not bleach it with peroxides as it broke a bit once as I tried.. How ever bleach does make it sort of harder and with more structure..

[maria_asa]

AndreaPetrea...hang in there, like AudreyHorne says! Try to find something about your own hair that is perfectly great. I understand your frustration though. Here in the metro Atlanta area there is no shortage of women with thick, wavy manes.

AudreyHorne...ohh yes, pics please! :)

I tried doing a celtic knot last night. I tried following Elle's video (http://ellejtlc.blogspot.com/2011/02/celtic-knot-ficcare-hair-stick.html) but even though she shows it very clearly, I could not get my brain around it, just by seeing it. So I looked at Emi's instructions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUQAucReptY), and even though her hair was too dark for me to follow what she was doing, I think her written instructions helped me. Elle's hair is gorgeous and I landed on her blogspot by googling Ficcare. Her hair looks stunning with them, and NOTHING at all like my hair.

In any case, the whole thing on my hair was a dismal failure! My ends shot out of the knot so fast it was hilarious. Plus on the part where I'm supposed to 'pull the ends through', my ends disappeared to nothing so fast the knot had nothing to hold on to. Well that one is going to take a lot more product, and practice!

I thought I'd been doing the celtic knot for years now (it's my favourite bun) bun looking at these videos I'm not sure anymore. It does explain how people are able to secure it with just one hair stick though, something I've never been able to do with "my" version. I wonder what kind of bun it is I'm doing...:confused:

[MsBubbles]

AndreaPetrea: I could never wear contacts either. About 12 years ago I got lasik surgery, and haven't needed glasses or contacts since! I have easily made up for the money I kept having to spend to update my glasses prescription, so financially it was worth it. And more than worth it for not having to wear glasses any more.

Xi...thanks! Now I don't feel quite like such an updo dummy. If I ever figure it out I will let you know. But I think a severe taper like mine won't work so well with that style.

Maria Asa: Hmm. I'd like to see what bun you're doing also, especially if it stands a good chance of working in my hair too :).

[wendylai]

Interesting.. I bought TIGI sea salt spray some time ago, and I like to use it, but I was worried that it would cause breakage.. What type of experiences do you have with that product (if anyone has used it..) ?

Maybe I will make a small mix of my own too.. How fine do you crush the seasalt? The one I use for fish is with pretty big grains..

[red-again]

Hello everyone!
I have fine strands but lots of hair so it isn't thin , I have found henna to help the thickness enormously, I only realised how much recently when I madly bleach bathed twice to get light enough to use Pravana Vivid in Red on my hair and my damaged hair felt really thin and lack lustre. When I bleached years ago my hair always felt thicker which was probably down to the damage and it being rougher. I am now over my hair madness and re-hennaing again and my hair is fuller and has proper movement again. I am a dedicated henna head forever now, especially as I now have hair growing goals!!

I have also just started to leave it to dry naturally and then putting in heated rollers. The bounce lasts till I get wet in the rain or till I wash again, usually every 3 days so I am really pleased with the effect.

I am new to post here but have been reading all your posts for a looong time so look forward to getting to know some of you ( internet wise!!)

M xx

[rags]

The sea salt can be damaging. I wouldn't recommend anyone use it a lot, and I know for my particular hair - it will cause breakage if used much (as me how I know. :rolleyes: ) It dries out your hair incredibly. I think it's fine to use for a once in a blue moon thing though.

[maria_asa]

AndreaPetrea: I could never wear contacts either. About 12 years ago I got lasik surgery, and haven't needed glasses or contacts since! I have easily made up for the money I kept having to spend to update my glasses prescription, so financially it was worth it. And more than worth it for not having to wear glasses any more.

Xi...thanks! Now I don't feel quite like such an updo dummy. If I ever figure it out I will let you know. But I think a severe taper like mine won't work so well with that style.

Maria Asa: Hmm. I'd like to see what bun you're doing also, especially if it stands a good chance of working in my hair too :).

Here's a really crappy picture of how my version looks (at least at the time this picture was taken, this is one of the buns that can look quite different from time to time):
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/maria_asa/Picture2.jpg

I tried doing it like in the videos today and I'm more and more convinced that my celtic knot is infact something else. :o

If you want to I can take better pictures and make instructions this weekend.

[Audrey Horne]

Here's a really crappy picture of how my version looks (at least at the time this picture was taken, this is one of the buns that can look quite different from time to time):
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/maria_asa/Picture2.jpg

I tried doing it like in the videos today and I'm more and more convinced that my celtic knot is infact something else. :o

If you want to I can take better pictures and make instructions this weekend.
looks like a cherry blossom ;)

[UP Lisa]

Whatever it is, I like it.



Here's a really crappy picture of how my version looks (at least at the time this picture was taken, this is one of the buns that can look quite different from time to time):
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/maria_asa/Picture2.jpg

I tried doing it like in the videos today and I'm more and more convinced that my celtic knot is infact something else. :o

If you want to I can take better pictures and make instructions this weekend.

[MsBubbles]

I love the look of that knot/bun, Maria Asa! It looks intricate.

[AndreaPetrea]

If you haven't discovered it already, zenni optical is amazing. The glasses are ridiculously cheap so you can buy several pairs (I'm particularly fond of my zebra print ones).

I've never heard of them... I will google! Do they ship to Europe?


AndreaPetrea: I could never wear contacts either. About 12 years ago I got lasik surgery, and haven't needed glasses or contacts since! I have easily made up for the money I kept having to spend to update my glasses prescription, so financially it was worth it. And more than worth it for not having to wear glasses any more.

I've also considered Lasik surgery. In Denmark our health care system will pay for the operation if you have more than 6 dioptries on both eyes. I used to have more than that, but last time it was -5.5 on the left eye and -6.5 on the right. Have to have it measured by an eye doctor (is it called that?) instead of an optician, though.

I have also heard some horror stories - I mean, if it goes wrong it really goes wrong, and since I already have problems with my eyes I don't know... But I have an appointment with an eye doctor in a couple of weeks, so I will ask him!

I thought of starting a thread about this - especially about contact lense allergy. I think it's important that people realize that if they get an allergic reaction from silicone lenses they might not even be able to go back to lenses without 'cones (haha, just to make it a tiny bit hair related - this is so OT :D Sorry everyone!)

[Cyndeigh]

Here's a really crappy picture of how my version looks (at least at the time this picture was taken, this is one of the buns that can look quite different from time to time):
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/maria_asa/Picture2.jpg

I tried doing it like in the videos today and I'm more and more convinced that my celtic knot is infact something else. :o

If you want to I can take better pictures and make instructions this weekend.


Stunning!! Cannot wait til my jaw length hair is long enough just for a pony much less something this gorgeous!!

[Neoma]

Here's a really crappy picture of how my version looks (at least at the time this picture was taken, this is one of the buns that can look quite different from time to time):
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/maria_asa/Picture2.jpg

I tried doing it like in the videos today and I'm more and more convinced that my celtic knot is infact something else. :o

If you want to I can take better pictures and make instructions this weekend.
I would very much like to see those instructions, maria_asa. You're right, that's not a Celtic knot. It looks far more intricate. It's beautiful.

[whitedove]

Here's a really crappy picture of how my version looks (at least at the time this picture was taken, this is one of the buns that can look quite different from time to time):
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o33/maria_asa/Picture2.jpg

I tried doing it like in the videos today and I'm more and more convinced that my celtic knot is infact something else. :o

If you want to I can take better pictures and make instructions this weekend.

This bun is so cute, like a daisy :)

I keep looking at this and wonder how you did it. Its like those crazy puzzles that dont seem to have an end. Would love for you to show us how you did make it :).

[islandboo]

I am another who would love an instruction video - it is much prettier than a Celtic knot!

[maria_asa]

Thanks everyone for your lovely comments on my bun. I made a quick video yesterday just to test it but since my hair was very oily at the time there's no way I want to put it up on the internet :D I'll make sure to do an other version, on clean hair, tonight or tomorrow though. Until then I have to figure out a good name for it (ideas are most welcome).

[Hollyfire3]

Thanks everyone for your lovely comments on my bun. I made a quick video yesterday just to test it but since my hair was very oily at the time there's no way I want to put it up on the internet :D I'll make sure to do an other version, on clean hair, tonight or tomorrow though. Until then I have to figure out a good name for it (ideas are most welcome).

Do you think there is an iii version of this bun? Its SO pretty, I want to try it! Do you have basic intructions you can write out so I can try and adapt it for thicker hair?

[maria_asa]

Do you think there is an iii version of this bun? Its SO pretty, I want to try it! Do you have basic intructions you can write out so I can try and adapt it for thicker hair?

I think it should be possible to do it on iii hair as well but it probably requires quite a lot of length.

Instructions:
-Gather your hair in a ponytail and hold it with your left hand but don't tie it of
-Take the length and wrap it clockwise once around three of the fingers of your left hand (while still holding on to the ponytail base)
-When you reach the top you hold the length with two of the fingers you just wrapped around
-Using your rtight hand, pull the big loop over the two fingers (don't let go of the hair your holding with them)
-Put your right pinkiefinger in the loop now created (the one you're holding with the two fingers of your left hand) and let go of it with your left hand
-Wrap the remaining length around the base
-You now should have four loops. Secure either with a hair fork or with two sticks going in a x-pattern. Regardless the important thing is to get the tines of the fork/sticks though all the loops

Wow, that sounds much more complicated than it really is. I hope it's at least a bit understandable.

[Hollyfire3]

I think it should be possible to do it on iii hair as well but it probably requires quite a lot of length.

Instructions:
-Gather your hair in a ponytail and hold it with your left hand but don't tie it of
-Take the length and wrap it clockwise once around three of the fingers of your left hand (while still holding on to the ponytail base)
-When you reach the top you hold the length with two of the fingers you just wrapped around
-Using your rtight hand, pull the big loop over the two fingers (don't let go of the hair your holding with them)
-Put your right pinkiefinger in the loop now created (the one you're holding with the two fingers of your left hand) and let go of it with your left hand
-Wrap the remaining length around the base
-You now should have four loops. Secure either with a hair fork or with two sticks going in a x-pattern. Regardless the important thing is to get the tines of the fork/sticks though all the loops

Wow, that sounds much more complicated than it really is. I hope it's at least a bit understandable.

How long is your hair now? I couldn't do this without alot of length...maybe I can caculate it to see how long I would have to wait. Thank you for the instructions!

[maria_asa]

How long is your hair now? I couldn't do this without alot of length...maybe I can caculate it to see how long I would have to wait. Thank you for the instructions!

My hair is 50" now but with this bun the left over tail is ca 15" so I think I could do it, without problems, at around 35-40". My circumference is just under 2".

[Hollyfire3]

My hair is 50" now but with this bun the left over tail is ca 15" so I think I could do it, without problems, at around 35-40". My circumference is just under 2".

Oh wow, my hair is inbetween BSL and APL and my circumference is 4.25...I think I may have to wait awhile...gosh I wish I could do this now, but I just don't have the length darn it.

[ravenheather]

It's a shame celtic knot refers to a bun already. I think it is the perfect name for your bun. It looks so intricate. I look forward to being able to learn it one day.

[Indigo Girl]

EDIT: I searched again. Okay, in the 1a-categorie, there are some more. Seems that I just looked for 1b yesterday.
Happy to see, what is possible. And I found a hairtwin! Even the colour fits. Indigo Girl.
And I am happy to see, that it IS possible to grow fine hair so long and let it look thicker. Taken, that the hair is correctly classified. Some of the manes I found looked much thicker than I would have expected in this category.

It's always nice to find a hairtwin! :cool:

You have a beautiful hemline, and it looks like you've made some really great growth progress too! Happy growing to you! :flower:

[Audrey Horne]

I must say I enjoy my virgin parts (the roots but how much exactly IDK). I love the colour but ever since I've given up any dyes (first chemical - two years ago, then henna - 6 months ago) my hair feels and appears extremely different. When I used to dye chemically, used cones, etc. my hair was like a wig but still not dry. It was coarser and I could swear the hair typing would have been different all the way. The same was with henna. My hair was a bit coarser and gave me a thicker braid after repeated dying.

I understand why it is like this. But I keep asking myself if this finer all-natural state worth it...

Does anyone have such thoughts?

[luthein]

Until then I have to figure out a good name for it (ideas are most welcome).

The finished result reminds me of entrelac knitting. Does an "entrelac bun" already exist?

[Mai Gloeckchen]

It's always nice to find a hairtwin! :cool:

You have a beautiful hemline, and it looks like you've made some really great growth progress too! Happy growing to you! :flower:

Thank you so much! You are a great inspiration for me.

This week I will make new lengthphotos. I am getting really close to my 2012-goal: 1 meter which is TBL for me. :)
I am now at 95,5cm, so to say, there are less than 2inches to reach the meter.
After that I will work on the hemline.

[MsBubbles]

I must say I enjoy my virgin parts (the roots but how much exactly IDK). I love the colour but ever since I've given up any dyes (first chemical - two years ago, then henna - 6 months ago) my hair feels and appears extremely different. When I used to dye chemically, used cones, etc. my hair was like a wig but still not dry. It was coarser and I could swear the hair typing would have been different all the way. The same was with henna. My hair was a bit coarser and gave me a thicker braid after repeated dying.

I understand why it is like this. But I keep asking myself if this finer all-natural state worth it...

Does anyone have such thoughts?

It's up to you really, whether it's worth it, and you can change your mind whenever you want to. If there were any procedure that kept my hair a color that suited me, that also made my strands medium or coarse, instead of fine, I would do it in a heart beat! No question. I know coarse hair has its problems too, but I'd just love to be able to say "I broke a hairstick"! Indeed, I like to be able to even use hairsticks. Or to be able to say "I can't do that updo yet because my hair is so thick, I'll have to wait until it's longer". Or "My hair is so heavy and hot during the summer!"...you get the picture.

My decision to go with all virgin hair was based on me believing it'd be too fine to withstand bleaching or highlights and grow to tailbone at the same time. With all the bleaching it never really made it past BSL. I'd rather have the more unusual TB length hair than eye-catching-blond but common BSL hair.

Question: for any of you fine-hairs with baby-hair/halo regrowth around the temples - do you have any suggestions other than oil/aloe for keeping that regrowth anchored in an updo? These 6" escaping flyaway hairs aren't producing any kind of cute bangs, they are making my head look square (because they're growing out of my temples). It's so annoying. I have them all around my hair line, so I look like I have sideburns now too. They are not cute 'tendrils', because they are dead straight and flyaway. :( I'm glad my hair is growing back in but I'd rather not look like a square dandelion at work all day.

[Mai Gloeckchen]

Question: for any of you fine-hairs with baby-hair/halo regrowth around the temples - do you have any suggestions other than oil/aloe for keeping that regrowth anchored in an updo? These 6" escaping flyaway hairs aren't producing any kind of cute bangs, they are making my head look square (because they're growing out of my temples). It's so annoying. I have them all around my hair line, so I look like I have sideburns now too. They are not cute 'tendrils', because they are dead straight and flyaway. :( I'm glad my hair is growing back in but I'd rather not look like a square dandelion at work all day.[/quote]

Oil does not work for me, makes my hair look - well - oily. :rolleyes: Especially when there is wind, I can't do anything about this regrowth-halo. Sometimes I use hairspray, but only little, when it gets to annoying. Another longhair recommanded gel without alcohol, but I have to test that. I will till you, if that works.

[Tabihito]

Question: for any of you fine-hairs with baby-hair/halo regrowth around the temples - do you have any suggestions other than oil/aloe for keeping that regrowth anchored in an updo? These 6" escaping flyaway hairs aren't producing any kind of cute bangs, they are making my head look square (because they're growing out of my temples). It's so annoying. I have them all around my hair line, so I look like I have sideburns now too. They are not cute 'tendrils', because they are dead straight and flyaway. :( I'm glad my hair is growing back in but I'd rather not look like a square dandelion at work all day.

I've had some luck with just plain old water. I'll just wet them down and if I can convince them to dry in whatever direction the updo is going, they'll usually stay mostly that way. If it's windy though, all that goes out the window and you're best off with an alcohol-free gel. I know you said oil and aloe is out but didn't specify why aloe- does it make your hair look greasy as well? I know it works for me in a pinch, but my hair's quite dark and so I can get away with some 'greasiness' before it becomes noticeable.

[MsBubbles]

Tabihito...aloe isn't damaging for me at all, it's just that I've tried it and it doesn't work for holding or smoothing those baby hairs down. The outcome of me smoothing those flyaway hairs down with aloe is that later, I go to the bathroom and look in the mirror and realize I've been walking around with these aloed bits sticking outwards. But instead of them being hair-colored and floaty (i.e. not as noticeable), they are very dark, stiff, spiky, and standing away from the updo. So that actually ends up looking worse.

MaiGloeckchen: I seriously considered hairspray yesterday! But I'm too chicken :hmm:. Perhaps you're right! I need to just wait for them to grow long enough to fit into the updo.

[Audrey Horne]

It's up to you really, whether it's worth it, and you can change your mind whenever you want to. If there were any procedure that kept my hair a color that suited me, that also made my strands medium or coarse, instead of fine, I would do it in a heart beat! No question. I know coarse hair has its problems too, but I'd just love to be able to say "I broke a hairstick"! Indeed, I like to be able to even use hairsticks. Or to be able to say "I can't do that updo yet because my hair is so thick, I'll have to wait until it's longer". Or "My hair is so heavy and hot during the summer!"...you get the picture.

My decision to go with all virgin hair was based on me believing it'd be too fine to withstand bleaching or highlights and grow to tailbone at the same time. With all the bleaching it never really made it past BSL. I'd rather have the more unusual TB length hair than eye-catching-blond but common BSL hair.

Question: for any of you fine-hairs with baby-hair/halo regrowth around the temples - do you have any suggestions other than oil/aloe for keeping that regrowth anchored in an updo? These 6" escaping flyaway hairs aren't producing any kind of cute bangs, they are making my head look square (because they're growing out of my temples). It's so annoying. I have them all around my hair line, so I look like I have sideburns now too. They are not cute 'tendrils', because they are dead straight and flyaway. :( I'm glad my hair is growing back in but I'd rather not look like a square dandelion at work all day.

If there was anything that would give me that same effect without altering my virgin hair colour I'd go for it, no questions asked. I like what henna is capable of but... I don't want any red right now. I get tired of other hair colours, it is always the same problem for me. And in order to keep it "coarser" I'd have to henna over and over again (not just fixing roots) which means again more red. Chemical dyes are out of the question. Now I wish I can find cassia locally. Unfortunately, everything available has henna in the mix as well.
IDK what problems coarse-haired have, TBH. What people with truly coarse hair list as problems (heavy hair, feels like blanket, not soft) is something I wish I had hahah :D I might be the only person on the face of the Earth who doesn't care for having soft hair. :o

As for the halo: gel. I don't think anything else works for me. There are some cone-free gels or very light hairsprays (which is nothing like that hairspray that girls usually use). Maybe should hit the bioshop or something of that kind. Oil only makes me greasy, doesn't work. Self-made gels are also so-so, unreliable.

[Amanah]

interesting product experiment:
used Suave Natural Coconut for CO
followed that up Aubrey Honeysuckle Rose conditioner
this resulted in my hair looking like an oil slick.

Received Giovanni Direct Leave in in the mail last night, so I added some to my lank, oily looking hair. My hair trasformed into a gloriously wavy with nice body, but a little dry.

So, this morning, I washed with the Suave Coconut, conditioned with the Aubrey Honeysuckle Rose, and then applied the Giovanni Direct Leave in to my damp hair. It's not completely dry yet, but it looks like I'm getting moist wavy hair with a nice curl pattern and body.
Good grief, it's amazing what the right combination of products can do for your hair.

I'll have only LHC to thank for helping me transform my hair from something that makes me want to cry to something that I'm becoming very enthusiastic about.

[rags]

Question: for any of you fine-hairs with baby-hair/halo regrowth around the temples - do you have any suggestions other than oil/aloe for keeping that regrowth anchored in an updo? These 6" escaping flyaway hairs aren't producing any kind of cute bangs, they are making my head look square (because they're growing out of my temples). It's so annoying. I have them all around my hair line, so I look like I have sideburns now too. They are not cute 'tendrils', because they are dead straight and flyaway. :( I'm glad my hair is growing back in but I'd rather not look like a square dandelion at work all day.

Water is the only thing that has consistently worked for me - although if the wind blows you're out of luck. All the aloe, oil etc. just makes them into little spikes which then stick straight up and look worse than if I'd left them alone. :rolleyes: If I have a special occasion I may drag out the hairspray (twice in the last few years) otherwise I just wet them and let them dry in the direction I want them to go.

[MsBubbles]

Thanks, Rags. I think you are right about the water. So I will keep dampening it then while I'm in the ladies' room. That'll have to do until all this feathery stuff is long enough to reach into the updo.

Audrey Horne...I was going to say Cassia, but I think that needs to be done once a month. I have yet to try it. I was weighing up the potential of a mechanical shed while trying to rinse out all the goop, vs each strand possibly getting a tiny bit thicker. I was considering trying a small section of my hair instead of the whole head, first. The slightest little tug or heavy oil pulls my hair out.

[lovelylaura]

Things I have done/tried-

After a while of doing NW between washes a few times a week, I thought the results were ok, but now that I wash daily I've had a lot of people compliment my hair and remark how it "doesn't look greasy anymore"

I tried CO with no-cone conditioner and had some success, maybe I will try that again.

I tried Chagrin Valley Shampoo bars for months and months and thought my hair was GROWING BABY HAIRS (what a fool I am) but then realized it was all breaking off in the front. Stopped that immediately.

I am currently a long time BIG fan of every day washes with Biolage dry hair Shampoo and Conditioning Balm. My hair has been a bit dry lately so I bought the no-cone Masque they have out and am pleased with the results at the moment. I have also tried Joico KPAK and the results were ok. Tried using Egg/Honey, results were ok.

I've also noticed sleeping with a humidifier has helped my hair with dryness/tangles.

My hair still breaks off way more than it sheds, my ends look great so I never really need haircuts but have been getting mini trims every 6 weeks to "stimulate" hair growth (who knows if thats true, I'm skeptical) but I'm slowing down growth because i'm happy with the length but am very enticed to get to tailbone.

Knots can be ridiculous in my hair, unfortunately/fortunately I wear my hair up most of the day being in the medical field. I like the bun waves afterwards though :)

Right now I still have a lot of whispy hairs around my face from breakage. Don't know how to get rid of that but am determined to decrease their frequency of occuring because I feel it makes my updos look less professional at work and I don't like using hairspray.

By any means, I think having long hair is WAY easier than having short hair, especially when its long enough to bun up :) Actually stays out of my face BETTER when long! Although now its getting "contaminated" by everything, getting in my dinner while I eat, touching toilet paper dispensers.... lol

[maria_asa]

I swear I've posted this twice before but for some reason LHC seems to eat my posts :mad:

Anyway, I made a separate thread for my bun, now known as the celtic blossom bun (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=92844) and I just wanted to add that here if someone, who was interested, missed the other thread.

[rags]

Ok. I need a new conditioner, seeing as how my hair now does not like the reformulated Biolage Balm. :mad: Even with my hair being baby fine and thin, my silvers EAT conditioner, so I need a good one (Biolage was perfect till they messed with it! :wail: )

I will try coney conditioners, though my hair usually does not like them. I am also severely asthmatic, so strong artificial scents are out. (Strangely, AOHR is fine. :shrug: ). I know I can't use - any Suave, VO5, or White Rain. (Either the scents or I'm allergic to them). Redken, HE, and Garnier - my hair hates the cones. Same with Pantene. I can use these for a wash maybe once every three or four washes, and that's it. Repeated washes lead to a tangly, dried out mess.

What conditioners do you all use? I've been using Biolage for years, so I'm kind of stumped. And a LOT of the conditioners in the drugstores that I pick up don't pass the "sniff" test - they make my asthma bad. :(

Any help appreciated!

[amanda_the_tall]

Ok. I need a new conditioner, seeing as how my hair now does not like the reformulated Biolage Balm. :mad: Even with my hair being baby fine and thin, my silvers EAT conditioner, so I need a good one (Biolage was perfect till they messed with it! :wail: )

I will try coney conditioners, though my hair usually does not like them. I am also severely asthmatic, so strong artificial scents are out. (Strangely, AOHR is fine. :shrug: ). I know I can't use - any Suave, VO5, or White Rain. (Either the scents or I'm allergic to them). Redken, HE, and Garnier - my hair hates the cones. Same with Pantene. I can use these for a wash maybe once every three or four washes, and that's it. Repeated washes lead to a tangly, dried out mess.

What conditioners do you all use? I've been using Biolage for years, so I'm kind of stumped. And a LOT of the conditioners in the drugstores that I pick up don't pass the "sniff" test - they make my asthma bad. :(

Any help appreciated!

do you have a sally beauty supply near you? i just got the gvp conditioning balm (essentially it's the biolage conditioning balm, just way cheaper) and it is the old formula! i triple checked for cones, and it doesn't have any. granted, i never used the name brand, but this stuff is pretty awesome. the smell is pretty strong, but i've read reviews saying it's the same as the biolage.

[MsBubbles]

Oh! That's helpful stuff about the generic conditioning balm. I just now finally after all these years of hearing people rave about it, got some spare cash to try the Biolage Conditioning Balm out. I am disappointed in how dry and crunchy it leaves my ends. The whole ordeal didn't do much for my self-confidence in the 'normal LHC stuff doesn't work for me' realm. :rolleyes:

Perhaps the knockoff stuff will work.

[Mai Gloeckchen]

I want to show you my new lengthpic for May.
I am really happy with it. Less than 2 inches (4,5cm) to go to the meter. :)

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd424/wasichsomache/sonstso/haare/laenge/2012laenge/955cm.jpg

[rags]

Kitten, yes I'll stock up on some of Sally's when I can, but it never worked quite as good for me as the original. Still, it's better than any alternative I've found yet!

Ms Bubbles - yeah the new formula is doing that to my ends too. :mad: I'm going to grab some of the Sally's while there's any left (I'm sure they'll reformulate it eventually to match the new formula. )

[MsBubbles]

Beautiful, MaiGloeckchen! It doesn't look like you had a shed at all. Looks like it has filled back in nicely.

[islandboo]

Mai, your hair is absolutely beautiful!!

rags, did you ever try the Tresseme Naturals? It is cone free but I don't remember off-hand how perfumey it is. I like it a lot.

[herdaughter77]

Mai, your hair looks so healthy! It must be very rewarding! :)

[maria_asa]

I agree with the others Mai, your hair is stunning and looks very healthy.

[pixiestar]

Ad Islandboo said have you tried Tresemme Naturals? I use the moisturising one and find nothing compares to it for slip and conditioning for me:D

[Mononoke]

:disbelief
I want to show you my new lengthpic for May.
I am really happy with it. Less than 2 inches (4,5cm) to go to the meter. :)

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd424/wasichsomache/sonstso/haare/laenge/2012laenge/955cm.jpg

You have my dream hair! :disbelief:

[rags]

No I haven't tried the Tresemme yet. Thanks for the tip, Boo and Pixie!

MaiGloeckchen your hair is gorgeous and very healthy looking!

[torrilin]

Ok. I need a new conditioner, seeing as how my hair now does not like the reformulated Biolage Balm. :mad: Even with my hair being baby fine and thin, my silvers EAT conditioner, so I need a good one (Biolage was perfect till they messed with it! :wail: )

The ones I've been using are:

Alba Botanica's Leave in conditioner. While it claims to be a leave in, I find it works just fine on wet hair. It is fragrance free, so all scented ingredients are listed on the label. This one provides a LOT of slip even if I use a dime sized blob.

Alaffia's Everyday Shea conditioner. It's unclear to me whether all formulations meet the requirements for fragrance free, but the unscented one is for sure fragrance free. It's a fairly low slip conditioner, but my hair absorbs it well. If I use it on dry hair, there really isn't much of anything to rinse out if I'm doing CWC. (the other formulation options are lavender or vanilla mint, just it's not totally clear to me that all fragrance ingredients are listed)

Desert Essences also makes a fragrance free conditioner, but I haven't tried it. IIRC Alaffia makes a fairly wide range of curl friendly conditioners that are low on fragrance or qualify as fragrance free. Everyday Shea is the most cost effective tho.

[Mai Gloeckchen]

Thank you so much. :) :o Acutally my hair is gaining thickness now, even the ponytailcircumference increases. By the end of summer 2011 it was exactly 2", nowit is at 2,3". :) I hope to come over 2,5" soon.

As I said before, it is very important which colour I wear. Teal and purple is the best for me, blakc is good also. But no patterns or light colours.

[MsBubbles]

Ad Islandboo said have you tried Tresemme Naturals? I use the moisturising one and find nothing compares to it for slip and conditioning for me:D

*Earmarks comment*. My ends look like they've been run over by a steam roller and the Biolage CB wasn't helping at all.

I can't seem to find any kind of medium between greasy ends (from oiling - no matter how insignificant the amount of oil in my palms), or rough and tangly ends. The best solution is to use cones, but that only works for about a day, before it starts looking dried out and tangly. Sigh. :rolleyes:

Perhaps this is just my normal hair? But the top part doesn't look like that, though.

[Silverbrumby]

*Earmarks comment*. My ends look like they've been run over by a steam roller and the Biolage CB wasn't helping at all.

I can't seem to find any kind of medium between greasy ends (from oiling - no matter how insignificant the amount of oil in my palms), or rough and tangly ends. The best solution is to use cones, but that only works for about a day, before it starts looking dried out and tangly. Sigh. :rolleyes:

Perhaps this is just my normal hair? But the top part doesn't look like that, though.

This could be my post. But on the upside I'm up to 2.75 ponytail. All I need is to get the hair looking good lol.