Help to name this hairstyle?

[ccsdg]

I've been doing variations of this hairstyle but can't find it in the LHC hairstyle thesaurus thread. Can someone name it for me? I think of it as "sewing a hole closed" but it's like lazy Amish braids with only one English braid. It looks like a low bun with braid tail sticking out.


I start with an English braid tied off with an elastic band with some thickness (maybe 5mm). I use the braid to tie a knot very high up close to my head, it looks like a ponytail tied with a scrunchie. At this point there's the circle of the knot, and the tail of the braid poking out of the middle to one side. I tighten the knot. I pull the tail of the braid back through the middle of the circle very close to the previous pass, now it's poking out the other side. I tighten the knot. I continue weaving it back into the middle from side to side until I run out of braid in a "shoelace" sort of fashion. If I did it right, the knot is now so tight that the elastic band will prevent the last bit of braid from falling out.


I find myself doing this style a lot for me and my girls because it's almost an updo but only requires an elastic band and is compatible with naps (important in my world!) as well as gymnastics. It does produce a lot of kinks and requires a reasonably tidy braid as there's a lot of pulling through the reverse direction.

[Simsy]

Sounds like a braided knot bun, with some additional knots to deal with the tail. Certainly sounds secure, especially if it works pinless as well.

[foreveryours]

I've been doing variations of this hairstyle but can't find it in the LHC hairstyle thesaurus thread. Can someone name it for me? I think of it as "sewing a hole closed" but it's like lazy Amish braids with only one English braid. It looks like a low bun with braid tail sticking out.


I start with an English braid tied off with an elastic band with some thickness (maybe 5mm). I use the braid to tie a knot very high up close to my head, it looks like a ponytail tied with a scrunchie. At this point there's the circle of the knot, and the tail of the braid poking out of the middle to one side. I tighten the knot. I pull the tail of the braid back through the middle of the circle very close to the previous pass, now it's poking out the other side. I tighten the knot. I continue weaving it back into the middle from side to side until I run out of braid in a "shoelace" sort of fashion. If I did it right, the knot is now so tight that the elastic band will prevent the last bit of braid from falling out.


I find myself doing this style a lot for me and my girls because it's almost an updo but only requires an elastic band and is compatible with naps (important in my world!) as well as gymnastics. It does produce a lot of kinks and requires a reasonably tidy braid as there's a lot of pulling through the reverse direction.

Sounds intriguing, can you post a picture?

[Feral_]

I cannot understand it at all from the description, but I’m a bit thick, a visual would be helpful.

[GordonMurphella]

Pic would be most helpful here :)

[ccsdg]

Haha, so I seriously can't upload photos for some reason but here's a video..
https://youtu.be/74EYWLPNt10

[Elodea]

I don't know if this style has an official/actual name, but if I were going to name it myself, I'd call it a multiple overhand knot bun, as that appears to be the kind of knot you're making with the braid in the video. There's an example of what a multiple overhand knot looks like at the end of the page here, but with rope: https://www.indoorclimbing.com/Overhand_Knot.html

[ccsdg]

I don't know if this style has an official/actual name, but if I were going to name it myself, I'd call it a multiple overhand knot bun, as that appears to be the kind of knot you're making with the braid in the video. There's an example of what a multiple overhand knot looks like at the end of the page here, but with rope: https://www.indoorclimbing.com/Overhand_Knot.html

Knots! Brilliant! That's totally the world I'm looking for. I feel like this isn't the same structure though - the weaving goes from one side of the circle to the other, effectively removing the hole in the middle, rather than encircling it. In another breakthrough...finally figured out how to upload images, so here's a photo + rather novice diagram. Still don't know how to embed: https://imgur.com/a/KGvRYY6

[MusicalSpoons]

Knots! Brilliant! That's totally the world I'm looking for. I feel like this isn't the same structure though - the weaving goes from one side of the circle to the other, effectively removing the hole in the middle, rather than encircling it. In another breakthrough...finally figured out how to upload images, so here's a photo + rather novice diagram. Still don't know how to embed: https://imgur.com/a/KGvRYY6

Oooh your diagram made me think of lace - tallies, I think they're called, although usually between two parallel threads instead of two sides of a single loop. I'll see if I can find an example ... Okay not quite, they're worked between 3 threads not 2. I don't think a half tally exists (because bobbin lace is worked in pairs of threads, so you wouldn't have 3 strands) but maybe you've invented it for hair :grin: https://www.theedkins.co.uk/jo/lace/collection/tally.htm diagram on this page https://www.theedkins.co.uk/jo/lace/sttally.htm

Or is there a braid that uses that weaving between two strands kind of construction?

Back to sewing - could it be called ladder stitch, just without the side stitches? https://www.positivelysplendid.com/sew-a-pillow-closed-by-hand-blind-ladder-stitch/

Edit: or like figure-8 weaving perhaps. I think if a braid technique matches this though it could be a logical starting point for a name.

[Liz_H]

It's beautiful! I think there's an embroidery knot that sort of resembles it, or just the technique of going over an existing line or circle to cover the existing thread, giving it a raised, rounded appearance. That sort of matches the technique, but not the final appearance. I'll look for knots later.

[Elodea]

Knots! Brilliant! That's totally the world I'm looking for. I feel like this isn't the same structure though - the weaving goes from one side of the circle to the other, effectively removing the hole in the middle, rather than encircling it. In another breakthrough...finally figured out how to upload images, so here's a photo + rather novice diagram. Still don't know how to embed: https://imgur.com/a/KGvRYY6

Based on the diagram, I guess maybe I'd call this bun a multiple figure-8 knot bun? The back and forth weaving shown in the diagram (it wasn't evident to me in the video) is more like a figure-8 knot, and since you do it multiple times: multiple figure-8 knot bun.

[foreveryours]

It's based upon the J KNOT except the 2 pieces of the line are really one and the same for you

https://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/j-knot

[Elodea]

It's based upon the J KNOT except the 2 pieces of the line are really one and the same for you

https://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/j-knot

This one does look like the bun; I didn't know there was a specific name for a knot formed that way.

[foreveryours]

This one does look like the bun; I didn't know there was a specific name for a knot formed that way.

Yes, the number of "weaves" used for the bun may be different depending upon the size of the initial overhand knot so it's not exactly the same

[ccsdg]

It's based upon the J KNOT except the 2 pieces of the line are really one and the same for you

https://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/j-knot

That's it! a J knot! I'd never have thought of it as I've never heard of it. Wonderful sleuthing work, thank you! That website also opens up a whole new world of possible pinless styles...