View Full Version : Have you used natural and organic hair products?
bubbles04
April 10th, 2020, 02:31 PM
I was watching this Youtuber/Instagrammer who promotes natural, organic haircare and skincare a lot on her platforms and she claims that a serum by a brand called Blue Beautifly caused her to have a healthy scalp and thick hair.
I havent used such products but I did check the price and its €52 which is a lot for a small bottle.
I'm not sure if natural or organic is simply greenwashing or if it actually works.
Have you guys used such products?
If you feel it doesnt work, which would your best products to achieve strong, healthy hair?
Shorty89
April 10th, 2020, 02:35 PM
I think it really depends on the person. I prefer conditioners without silicone so I tend to like more natural conditioners although not necessarily organic. But, many people have great success with non-organic, more traditional conditioners. A lot of hair YouTubers seem to be into organic products. I'm not sure what the correlation is. :shrug: But, they certainly aren't necessary for healthy hair; neither is an outrageous pricetag like $50!
MusicalSpoons
April 10th, 2020, 03:20 PM
Okay, unless the more unusual ingredients cost as much as platinum, you could definitely make it yourself for less:
Ingredients: Sesamum Indicum (Sesame) Seed Oil*, Camellia Oleifera (Green Tea) Seed Oil*, Ricinus Communis (Castor) Seed Oil*, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba) Seed Oil*, Argania Spinosa (Argan) Kernel Oil*, Limonene**, Phyllanthus Emblica Fruit (Amalaki) Extract*, Bacopa Monniera (Brahmi) Extract*, Eclipta Prostrata (Bhringraj) Leaf Extract*, Polygonum Multiflorum (Fo-Ti) Root Extract*, Serenoa Serrulata (Saw Palmetto) Fruit Extract*, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Oil*, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Oil*, Citrus Sinensis (Orange) Peel Oil Expressed*, Citrus Paradisi (Grapefruit) Fruit Extract*, Citrus Limon (Lemon) Peel Oil*, Mentha Piperita (Peppermint) Oil*, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract*, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil*, Linalool**, Geraniol**, Citral - these are natural components of the essential oils and have to be specifically mentioned, but they're not separate ingredients
The first 5 ingredients of any product constitute the majority, and the only ingredient from the whole lost that I haven't come across in my browsing of ingredients to buy is the amalaki extract. I mean yes it is what I'd consider to be a natural product, but it's absolutely not The Secret to a healthy scalp :shrug: many of us don't oil our scalps at all and our hair grows just fine! If you're going to use oil on your hair, just plain plant oil or a blend of ordinary plant oils will do the job just as well and for a fraction of the cost :thumbsup:
Bri-Chan
April 10th, 2020, 03:27 PM
I used organic shampoos and conditioners without silicone for years, until about 2 years ago. I think that is not a single ingredient to make the difference, but the whole formulation instead. So, I found amazing products on both sides, organic or not.
Anyway, I also give my personal impressions. I find easier to find mild and delicate shampoos with silicone-type products. With conditioners or masks, I feel differences while I'm using them, but the result is the same.
Ylva
April 10th, 2020, 03:53 PM
They can be good products, or they might be no better than a €2 equivalent. Something to keep in mind is that people on social media are often paid by companies to promote their products. While they probably wouldn't promote a product that was absolute garbage, they might still sugarcoat their experiences with the products since it's not a dangerous lie but the gain is big for them if they get people to buy the products through their affiliate links.
ETA: I forgot to add that chunk payments for promotions are also usually paid AFTER releasing the promotional content, so they would want to make sure that they actually do get the money for their efforts.
Spikey
April 10th, 2020, 11:43 PM
I second Ylva on sponsorships, most influencers promoting specific products are being paid too. And I think the thick hair claim is a red flag no matter who it comes from. Your genetics determine the thickness of your hair. The only way you can actually "thicken" your hair strands are by adding henna, which gets inside your strands and camps out permanently. Also, while oil on the scalp works for some, it can cause hair loss, so probably not worth the risk IMO. :undecided:
And my advice/products? Most of haircare is protecting against damage. If healthy hair is your first priority, wear your hair up with protective styles, avoid (preferably quit) heat and bleach if you use those. That's much more important than what brands you use! As for products, figure out your hair type, and look for shampoos and conditioners made with that type of hair in mind. :)
hennalonghair
April 11th, 2020, 12:40 AM
Yes, it’s all I ever use. Regular conventional shampoo and conditioner is far too harsh for my dry curly hair. They are usually filled with harsh detergents, artificial dyes and silicones which dry my hair out. You didn’t add your hair texture so I can’t specifically recommend a type for your hair but I use:
Aveeda.... Be Curly
Quidad Curl quencher kit
John Masters hair repair
Andalou exotic Marula oil for waves to ringlets
Love Beauty & Planet - Shea butter & sandalwood
Shea Moisture - coconut / hibiscus curl enhancing smoothie
A lot depends on your hair type, your pocketbook and personal preference. My hair is quite textured, coarse and naturally porous whereas yours might be straight & silky. Experimenting yourself is your best bet in my opinion to see what your hair likes.
01
April 11th, 2020, 02:34 AM
I wash with water only or egg yolk or kid's shampoo *shrugs*.
I have mixed feelings about 'organic' products that aren't just straight oils, herbs, egg yolk, stuff like that. I don't know.
BleachedBerry
May 31st, 2020, 07:48 PM
I was watching this Youtuber/Instagrammer who promotes natural, organic haircare and skincare a lot on her platforms and she claims that a serum by a brand called Blue Beautifly caused her to have a healthy scalp and thick hair.
I havent used such products but I did check the price and its €52 which is a lot for a small bottle.
I'm not sure if natural or organic is simply greenwashing or if it actually works.
Have you guys used such products?
If you feel it doesnt work, which would your best products to achieve strong, healthy hair?
Though I have used products claimed to be natural and organic and I did like them , I believe its simply a preference. While they may be safer, better for health and the environment Many people still live long healthy lives and great hair with a basic shampoo and hairspray from the drugstore.
Organic products just like foods are expensive because there grown without cheap chemical fertilizers that grow more and faster and expensive "pesticide" alternatives that may not be as effective and produce lower yields. Lower Yields and more expensive to produce equals more expensive to the consumer.
Products can claim to be Natural or Organic even if they only have 1 organic ingredient and I've seen a lot of skin and hair products recently stating they are 95 percent natural and different things that.
Natural products without preservatives have a much shorter shelf life as well, if you get anymore natural then that they will need to be refrigerated.
I personal don't want to keep my shampoo in the fridge or have products that will only get moldy and gross after just one week.
Textures, Consistency and other things we love about our products may not be possible naturally or mix ingredients without chemical processes.
Do I like organic and natural products. Yes. but I don't search for and purchase organic exclusively.
Just my thoughts. This was a great question.
BleachedBerry
May 31st, 2020, 07:59 PM
Though I have used products claimed to be natural and organic and I did like them , I believe its simply a preference. While they may be safer, better for health and the environment Many people still live long healthy lives and great hair with a basic shampoo and hairspray from the drugstore.
Organic products just like foods are expensive because there grown without cheap chemical fertilizers that grow more and faster and expensive "pesticide" alternatives that may not be as effective and produce lower yields. Lower Yields and more expensive to produce equals more expensive to the consumer.
Products can claim to be Natural or Organic even if they only have 1 organic ingredient and I've seen a lot of skin and hair products recently stating they are 95 percent natural and different things that.
Natural products without preservatives have a much shorter shelf life as well, if you get anymore natural then that they will need to be refrigerated.
I personal don't want to keep my shampoo in the fridge or have products that will only get moldy and gross after just one week.
Textures, Consistency and other things we love about our products may not be possible naturally or mix ingredients without chemical processes.
Do I like organic and natural products. Yes. but I don't search for and purchase organic exclusively.
Just my thoughts. This was a great question.
I do however stay as far away from fragrance as I can. Especially in products meant to be left on
Lucy McLucyFace
June 1st, 2020, 02:12 AM
There is no official standard to define what is a "natural" product. Usually brands use that word when they use an essential oil or a butter in their formulation.
I'd just stick to what works and ignore marketing, specially from internet celebrities
maminimu
January 4th, 2023, 05:34 AM
You are absolutely right. I also agree with you. (https://beautyskincare-en.com/the-top-5-best-organic-skin-care-products-2023/) :mad:
lapushka
January 4th, 2023, 10:31 AM
Oooh an old thread coming back from the crypt. :lol: But yeah, I don't go with stuff that YTers or Instagrammers advertise. Even if they "used it themselves".
sipnsun
January 4th, 2023, 10:52 AM
I've used quite a lot of 'natural' products and like any others, I love some and some don't work for me. The Amalaki scalp serum you are talking about is one that I really liked and although it didn't make my hair grow thicker or faster it did keep my scalp moisturized and happy. The bottle is pretty big and lasted a long time but I'm out and haven't replaced it so it's not a 'holy grail' product for me. I would definitely order it again but there are a few other things I want to try first. Just a side note, I had some natural shampoo that went rancid and smelled like vomit so I had to toss it. Keep in mind that they can turn before ordering huge bottles like I did. Since I only shampoo once or twice a week a bottle lasts me a really long time.
angel-baby
January 4th, 2023, 11:50 AM
I use a mixture of naturally derived organic products and conventional (Olaplex, Kerastase) products.
Organic: Rosemary scalp oil, charcoal scalp treatment, and rose elixir all from The Innate Life. They have a good price point and I really like their products. The rose elixir is super rich; I only need 1 drop per day for my BSL hair. The scalp treatments feel amazing and I think they smell great, which is not always the case for organic products.
lapushka
January 4th, 2023, 01:07 PM
See, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't get the hype. I don't get "organic". I just don't "believe" in it, TBH. No faith in humanity. :lol: ;)
Ylva
January 4th, 2023, 01:16 PM
See, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't get the hype. I don't get "organic". I just don't "believe" in it, TBH. No faith in humanity. :lol: ;)
The best organic hair products are the ones going in my stomach! :yumm:
Joyful Mystery
January 4th, 2023, 02:52 PM
The best organic hair products are the ones going in my stomach! :yumm:
This! I eat cleaner than anyone I know :p
Lesley8
January 5th, 2023, 03:36 PM
I went back to natural products as sulfate shampoo was really irritating my scalp. Most of my products are from the innate life, my scalp and hair does better with those.
Shorty89
January 5th, 2023, 04:49 PM
I've used quite a lot of 'natural' products and like any others, I love some and some don't work for me. The Amalaki scalp serum you are talking about is one that I really liked and although it didn't make my hair grow thicker or faster it did keep my scalp moisturized and happy. The bottle is pretty big and lasted a long time but I'm out and haven't replaced it so it's not a 'holy grail' product for me. I would definitely order it again but there are a few other things I want to try first. Just a side note, I had some natural shampoo that went rancid and smelled like vomit so I had to toss it. Keep in mind that they can turn before ordering huge bottles like I did. Since I only shampoo once or twice a week a bottle lasts me a really long time.
Yuck! For a time, I was using fenugreek to wish my hair and I once had some go rancid. The smell was pretty awful. I can't imagine opening a new bottle of shampoo and having it smell off. I like me some preservatives!
See, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't get the hype. I don't get "organic". I just don't "believe" in it, TBH. No faith in humanity. :lol: ;)
I'm with you there. A lot of organic hype is just a marketing ploy.
lapushka
January 5th, 2023, 05:03 PM
Yuck! For a time, I was using fenugreek to wish my hair and I once had some go rancid. The smell was pretty awful. I can't imagine opening a new bottle of shampoo and having it smell off. I like me some preservatives!
I'm with you there. A lot of organic hype is just a marketing ploy.
I was just thinking this through. If one company does both organic and regular and it's... not a big company. Would they not have to have all the "gear" and "place" to keep both crops separate? Because you spray these crops differently, right? And in some cases, that just can't happen. So... what gives? (Not wanting to put anyone in particular on the spot here).
MusicalSpoons
January 5th, 2023, 05:24 PM
I was just thinking this through. If one company does both organic and regular and it's... not a big company. Would they not have to have all the "gear" and "place" to keep both crops separate? Because you spray these crops differently, right? And in some cases, that just can't happen. So... what gives? (Not wanting to put anyone in particular on the spot here).
I doubt cosmetics companies grow their own crops, they source the ingredients from suppliers. Different suppliers for organic and non-organic.
lapushka
January 5th, 2023, 06:02 PM
I doubt cosmetics companies grow their own crops, they source the ingredients from suppliers. Different suppliers for organic and non-organic.
I was talking about food, should have mentioned that.
Ylva
January 5th, 2023, 07:20 PM
I was talking about food, should have mentioned that.
They still buy from different producers.
lapushka
January 6th, 2023, 05:48 AM
Aaah clarifies it. Thanks. I couldn't figure that one out. I'm still a little iffy on it, though. Don't know why. Mainly? Yeah, I can tell you why. Because for me budget goes over that choice. And soils are polluted where I live, anyway, so. :rolleyes: Call me a cynic. <sigh>
MusicalSpoons
January 6th, 2023, 09:59 AM
Aaah clarifies it. Thanks. I couldn't figure that one out. I'm still a little iffy on it, though. Don't know why. Mainly? Yeah, I can tell you why. Because for me budget goes over that choice. And soils are polluted where I live, anyway, so. :rolleyes: Call me a cynic. <sigh>
IIRC the soil has to have been free of certain pesticides for a set number of years before crops grown there can be certified as "organic".
(Budget wins for me too, and whether organic has any benefits over ordinary is still up for debate as far as I understand. But that doesn't mean the certification is entirely meaningless or just given out to any grower who asks.)
lapushka
January 6th, 2023, 04:51 PM
Did not mean to imply there was something up with certification. No-no! It's just like you say, how are we *sure* sure? And as long as it isn't around for long enough (not to my liking), I'm not going to spend the extra money to step away from what I have known all my life.
Ylva
January 7th, 2023, 02:22 AM
It was found out just a few years back that pesticides prevent crops from forming important symbiotic relationships with certain fungi. Pardon me for not remembering the species, but the plant cannot draw certain nutrients from the soil without this symbiotic bond. This serves as one example of the benefits of organic farming: it reduces the need for synthetic supplementation.
For long, it was thought that the US soil was simply devoid of nutrients, but it is not. It is due to this phenomenon that US-grown food is poor in nutrients.
lapushka
January 7th, 2023, 11:02 AM
No clue how the situation is here, though. I think it really doesn't matter, in Belgium, whether you buy organic or regular. I could be wrong... of course!
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