Caucasian 3cs?

[01]

I'm looking for youtube vids, blogs, etc with white people with 3c-ish hair. I keep seeing Afros all over youtube and their hair is obviously different, even if theorethically they have identical curl pattern. I also keep seing vids with Caucasians with straigth, wavy or loosely curly hair. I just can't find anything of use for myself...

I don't know, maybe there are other vids and I'm just not seeing them?

Even if past my shoulders my hair magically changes into 3b/c, when they're shorter like now, I look like I'm kid Largo Winch or something, heh. When I combed twice a day I could also wear a straight bob by just combing (but it works only on short hair, long hair are too curly for that). Combing is very damaging, though, as I now see after my hair has grown out a bit from a buzz cut. So, under some conditions I can straighten with a comb, without a flat iron, Afros can't do that(?). But when I manipulate my hair, braid, etc, they move and expand, curl around my hand, fingers, comb, puff out, tangle - things that don't happen to these people with tame hair. At the same time they can also be too sleek for some styles. So I can never find anything for myself because internet is full of these extreme hair types. Or I'm just dumb and can't find what I need, I don't know.

[blackgothicdoll]

This is why I hate hair typing. Type 3c hair is often mis labelled, a lot of black people say they are 3c but are actually 4a with fine and/or thin hair. Then others with true 3c hair will call it 3b because the strands are silkier and it looks so much different than an ethnic/mixed persons 3c, just as you described. I think the real issue is 3c was added to the original typing chart so it's really an abstract of whatever on earth is between 3b and 4a - nobody knows. And all of the descriptors are so vague it could also be anything from 3b to 4a.

So with that rant aside, searching by type does me no good because everything after 3a is a huge question mark in my head. No idea what I'm looking for. Are you opposed to posting a picture of what your hair looks like? You may have a hair twin that some of us have seen but don't know the hair type of.

[lapushka]

Might wanna try these channels. And 3b/c curls are 3b/c curls, caucasion or not! IMO I don't want to start a whole debate, but... what's the difference anyway?
https://www.youtube.com/user/Lynnkatee
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7DxskVAXrl0uqCuAu_EPIw

[Dark40]

I agree with lapushka. She's given you a couple of good youtube channels. What's the difference whether you're Caucasian or Black?

[Servana]

I agree with lapushka. She's given you a couple of good youtube channels. What's the difference whether you're Caucasian or Black?

Maybe she's referring to African hair typically being coarse, whereas it's more likely for Caucasian hair to be of medium or fine texture even if it's the same curl pattern.

[cjk]

My head hair is curly. My beard hair is curly. Different patterns and different textures, though.

My beard requires very different care from what is needed for my head hair.

Afro hair is known to have very special requirements, I've actually started reading up on some because my beard is much closer to afro hair, according to a stylist. And, after adjusting the routine accordingly, my waves/curls are starting to pop.

It's something to consider, if nothing else.

[blackgothicdoll]

Maybe she's referring to African hair typically being coarse, whereas it's more likely for Caucasian hair to be of medium or fine texture even if it's the same curl pattern.

To the naked eye, yes. The hair is different because the strands are not shaped the same. It's even more complicated than fine or course; those with African genes have a flatter strand which fluctuates in width throughout the length like a turning ribbon, which is why it curls so tightly. I can examine this with my naked eye, it's also how I differentiate my housekeepers shed hairs from my own (I hate other people's shed hair!!). She is Latina and her strand is completely smooth.

So, even if the hair has the same curl diameter, it is still so different in appearance and nature. Forensic science can determine someone's ethnicity by examining a strand of their hair. Caucasian strands are different from Asian strands are different from African strands in diameter and width, which is what causes texture variations. Will post sources when not on mobile.

While these differences are almost microscopic, they really do make a difference in how the hair looks and behaves.

Anyhow, none of this is helping OP :o

Forensics of hair (start at slide 14)

https://sites.nationalacademies.org/cs/groups/pgasite/documents/webpage/pga_049913.pdf

Similar information:

http://www.keratin.com/aa/aa002.shtml

A video explaining it for us visual learners:

https://youtu.be/va6USvUF7wY

[Kalamazoo]

Wow! What a fascinating topic!

Dear 01, I'd like to suggest that you try turning to your own family for inspiration. You probably have an aunt or a great-great-grandmother who has/had hair just like yours, perhaps who grew it long. If that particular relative is no longer with us, perhaps you have a grandma or cousin or somebody who can tell you about Great Aunt Jeanie's hair care routine.

Another way your family can help you out is by letting you know which country/countries your ancestors came from. Then you can :google: "[country] celebrities images" to see other people with hair like your own. Or you could do a YouTube search for "[country] hair care".

And then, please come back here & share what you've found! You're not the only one with that problem!

[Hasse]

My sister has 3c fine hair and we're caucasian. But she doesn't have a blog or something so that's of no help.

[01]

Noooo, they're not the same *laughs*.

Thank you blackgothicdoll and others, it did help. At least someone articulated what I was trying to say! Slavic hair are slavic hair, not afro textured hair.

Sadly, I don't have photos, since like many poles, I dry combed the hell out of my hair most of my life and I'm used to them being just formless puffy thing, with no/unidentified curl. There's plenty of such people walking the streets, it's hard to tell what exact curl type they have, it's like that brushed out curls thread, except there's just huge puffball, not even frizzed out curl, just formless. It took me a while to try anything for curlies, I kept having this pseudo-straight routine (combing twice a day dry) during my whole time here and on blogs/youtube/etc. My hair were uncooperative so I always wore a wet look, just kept a ton of oil in them and bunned or braided them. On these couple of times when I did herbal hair mask and they curled into really, REALLY tiny curls for a white person, my hair were so damaged that some curls curled into mini loc balls. It was so demotivating that I haven't took a photo and just combed everything out each time. So that's kinda the point, I don't know and understand them, I only know the curl is really small and sections are really small/thin when my hair is long. Right now I have short hair that I only fingercomb wet and it's loosely curled, it get's curlier with length.

When I started growing out from buzzcut they were, like, straight but split into straight spiked sections. Now I look like the actor that played child Largo Winch in the movie. Can't tell how my hair will look long or take a photo since they're not long yet.

Update:
Hasse, what's her hair routine? How she styles, detangles, washes, any idea?

Kalamazoo, these are some brilliant ideas. But I have a problem, heh. Most of my family is dead *cough*. I tried checking polish blogs, but most people have wavy hair. When my grandmother still lived, she always had permed and colored hair, so did other female relatives, so I don't even know what hair they had. Grandfather had curly hair on photos when he was young, but I knew him bald (heh) and he never wanted to teach me anything. My mom seems to have textured hair but she's still surprised her hair isn't straight. So I'm having some problems here. Was thinking about checking my family history since there were nobles and warriors from grandmothers side, dunno if that'd help with my hair at all, but maybe will explain ethnic stuff, maybe I shouldn't compare myself to other poles like that, since they were living in other places and maybe they were different genetically, dunno.

[blackgothicdoll]

Check out AuNaturale here? I may be spelling her name wrong, but she is Irish and definitely has 3c hair. It is very beautiful.

How about this girl? She says 3b but it looks 3c to me?

https://youtu.be/F48S_kgpxkk

[MidnightMoon]

To this day, I have not met a slavic person with 3c hair, but that's me... I do know two German women with curly hair, guess it was what I'd call 3b. It didn't look stereotypical "afro" because the ringlets were rather large, and it looked smooth and shiny, and I think often "afro" hair is not treated properly and ends up looking dry or puffy because people try to brush it out, or don't hydrate it enough, and it looks sort of rough. Same with wavy or curly hair that's brushed out and looks straighter but dry and frizzy.
I think very curly afro hair strands often have more variations or bumps throughout the strand, so when your run your fingers across the strand it feels more uneven. But to be honest, I haven't run my fingers through many hair strands, it's all just visual impression. Maybe looking for mixed celebrities could help, try "zendaya curly hair", for example. While I might agree your hair, even if 3b/c might not be exactly similar to someone mostly of african descent, it can for sure be the same as someone half (or more) black, since you can end up with the texture of one parent but the smoothness of another, or the colour, and so on.
Keri Russell and Esther Acebo might be examples of what you're referring to.

[blackgothicdoll]

To this day, I have not met a slavic person with 3c hair, but that's me... I do know two German women with curly hair, guess it was what I'd call 3b. It didn't look stereotypical "afro" because the ringlets were rather large, and it looked smooth and shiny, and I think often "afro" hair is not treated properly and ends up looking dry or puffy because people try to brush it out, or don't hydrate it enough, and it looks sort of rough. Same with wavy or curly hair that's brushed out and looks straighter but dry and frizzy.
I think very curly afro hair strands often have more variations or bumps throughout the strand, so when your run your fingers across the strand it feels more uneven. But to be honest, I haven't run my fingers through many hair strands, it's all just visual impression. Maybe looking for mixed celebrities could help, try "zendaya curly hair", for example. While I might agree your hair, even if 3b/c might not be exactly similar to someone mostly of african descent, it can for sure be the same as someone half (or more) black, since you can end up with the texture of one parent but the smoothness of another, or the colour, and so on.
Keri Russell and Esther Acebo might be examples of what you're referring to.


We have a show in America called 'Maury' which specializes in these... situations ;)

[lapushka]

Maybe she's referring to African hair typically being coarse, whereas it's more likely for Caucasian hair to be of medium or fine texture even if it's the same curl pattern.

This is a fine haired African American lady, and I know a few others on YT, so I think it's rather a "myth".
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6zz69ZilZqs2eeEMZpnzUg

[lapushka]

01, have you checked out the channels I linked?

[lapushka]

Here's a few more:
https://www.youtube.com/user/curlmesweet
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvon-T1eweohcgyvr1Md3AQ
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1FhpwNpQlP82ZFrI5ObZgA


If you just go to YT, and type in 3b or 3c curls you can pick & choose among the channels yourself.
It's not that difficult. ;)

Oops, forgot Gena:
https://www.youtube.com/user/GlamMeUp8

[blackgothicdoll]

This is a fine haired African American lady, and I know a few others on YT, so I think it's rather a "myth".
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6zz69ZilZqs2eeEMZpnzUg


To the naked eye, yes. The hair is different because the strands are not shaped the same. It's even more complicated than fine or course; those with African genes have a flatter strand which fluctuates in width throughout the length like a turning ribbon, which is why it curls so tightly. I can examine this with my naked eye, it's also how I differentiate my housekeepers shed hairs from my own (I hate other people's shed hair!!). She is Latina and her strand is completely smooth.

So, even if the hair has the same curl diameter, it is still so different in appearance and nature. Forensic science can determine someone's ethnicity by examining a strand of their hair. Caucasian strands are different from Asian strands are different from African strands in diameter and width, which is what causes texture variations. Will post sources when not on mobile.

While these differences are almost microscopic, they really do make a difference in how the hair looks and behaves.

Anyhow, none of this is helping OP :o

Forensics of hair (start at slide 14)

https://sites.nationalacademies.org/cs/groups/pgasite/documents/webpage/pga_049913.pdf

Similar information:

http://www.keratin.com/aa/aa002.shtml

A video explaining it for us visual learners:

https://youtu.be/va6USvUF7wY

Do you think the information I posted above is a myth? :confused: her hair is fine but it is still 'afro' hair. It looks and behaves nothing like Caucasian hair.

[Kalamazoo]

5 Ways Asian Hair Differs from Caucasian Hair:

https://thebeautybrains.com/2007/01/5-ways-that-asian-hair-is-different-from-caucasian-hair/

[Kalamazoo]

Race Differences in Hair Types:

https://theidleman.com/blogs/grooming/race-differences-hair-types

[Sarahlabyrinth]

DH's ex wife has 3c hair at about APL (unstretched). She is Caucasian and her hair is dark blonde.

[Kalamazoo]

I tried a bottle each of shampoo & conditioner from Shea Moisture. Thankfully, they smelled nice & did NOT set off my allergies, unlike 99% of the other hair products readily available here; however, they were created for African hair. I didn't feel that the shampoo got my hair really clean. As for the conditioner, I put the smallest drop possible of it on the palm of my hand, and ran the tips of the teeth of my fine-toothed comb through that drop, leaving 3/4 of that drop in the palm of my hand. 1/4 of a drop of Shea Moisture Conditioner was sufficient to condition ALL of my hair, from scalp to tip. In a million years, I hope to get through the bottle & buy another. It smells pretty!

[TwilightMermaid]

I know of one channel but I believe her curls sit closer to 3b than 3c.
http://https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCsC5tS5evvI2w8BKM1Vqh3g

[Kalamazoo]

I know of one channel but I believe her curls sit closer to 3b than 3c.
http://https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCsC5tS5evvI2w8BKM1Vqh3g

My phone says "This site can't be reached." when I click on the link. Maybe you could give me the title of the video & the author's name? Then I could go to YouTube & search for it. Thanks, TwilightMermaid!

[lapushka]

Anyone know Diane Mary? This is her latest empties video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwI6P8aOeaY

[TwilightMermaid]

My phone says "This site can't be reached." when I click on the link. Maybe you could give me the title of the video & the author's name? Then I could go to YouTube & search for it. Thanks, TwilightMermaid!

Oh yes, my bad! Her channel name is Curlsandblondies.

[Kalamazoo]

Thank you!