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blondyhead
February 14th, 2012, 01:51 PM
Hi all xx

First of i love love honey, one of the best ingrediants in the world!
What i do is combine 2 tbls of honey with 3 tbls of my fave conditioner, apply to wet or dry hair and leave on hair for 1 hour, then rinse. Afterwards my hair is incredibly soft and shiny, plus my hair has gone about 3 shades lighter!
I do that about twice a week.

Hope this helped xx
Happy Growing
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HollywoodRouge
February 14th, 2012, 08:09 PM
Does honey work best on wet, damp or dry hair?
I've been putting it on damp hair as i use dry shampoo and a hair mist, and think maybe the residue may prevent the honey from fully penetrating the hair?

MonaMayfair
February 15th, 2012, 04:27 AM
I really want to try this, but can't get distilled water (I've tried about 7 different chemists and garages, all of which tried to tell me de-ironized or purified water was the same as distilled - which I gather is a big lie!

I already use a water filter at home. If I can't get distilled, might that be ok?
Sorry if this has already been asked, I've only got through the first 60 pages so far, though I do intend to read the whole thread - gradually!

ktani
February 15th, 2012, 05:13 AM
I really want to try this, but can't get distilled water (I've tried about 7 different chemists and garages, all of which tried to tell me de-ironized or purified water was the same as distilled - which I gather is a big lie!

I already use a water filter at home. If I can't get distilled, might that be ok?
Sorry if this has already been asked, I've only got through the first 60 pages so far, though I do intend to read the whole thread - gradually!

It is not a lie. As long as it is pure with nothing extra it should be fine, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=295887&postcount=2369

The first post is set up to answer most questions including those for application of the treatments.

MonaMayfair
February 15th, 2012, 05:23 AM
Thankyou ktani. I was just bewildered by so much information I suppose.

I had read the first thread (I've got it saved for easy reference), but was still confused about the differences. This is probably a stupid question, but if I use filtered water from my filter jug, would it be helpful to boil it and let it cool first, or would that make absolutely no difference?

ktani
February 15th, 2012, 05:57 AM
Thankyou ktani. I was just bewildered by so much information I suppose.

I had read the first thread (I've got it saved for easy reference), but was still confused about the differences. This is probably a stupid question, but if I use filtered water from my filter jug, would it be helpful to boil it and let it cool first, or would that make absolutely no difference?

To me there is no such thing as a stupid question and you are very welcome.

I do not think the boiling of the water would make much difference although there is no harm in trying that. Just make sure that you let it cool to room temperature before using it.

I recommend reading through the first post first for most questions. However, if asked directly, I am more than willing to help unconfuse anyone lol, if I can do so.

ETA: It is not necessary to read every link in the first post. That can be overwhelming. The first links explain most details. The rest is set up to deal with more specific details.

MonaMayfair
February 15th, 2012, 06:06 AM
Thanks so much ktani! I have read through all the Q&A, but, as you say, it's a lot to take in. I was probably clicking on every link, then trying to retain all the information!

I'm attempting to lighten henna'd hair incidentally. The top few inches are less red, because I transitioned to a henna/cassia mix (left on for less than two hours) and the bottom is just henna (left on for three or four hours)
It actually looks ok (although if I hold the ends to my scalp it's a totally different color!) but I'd like to lighten the whole lot if I can.

ktani
February 15th, 2012, 06:39 AM
Thanks so much ktani! I have read through all the Q&A, but, as you say, it's a lot to take in. I was probably clicking on every link, then trying to retain all the information!

I'm attempting to lighten henna'd hair incidentally. The top few inches are less red, because I transitioned to a henna/cassia mix (left on for less than two hours) and the bottom is just henna (left on for three or four hours)
It actually looks ok (although if I hold the ends to my scalp it's a totally different color!) but I'd like to lighten the whole lot if I can.

You are very welcome.

The picture posts at the bottom of the first post also contain the recipes people used. Cinnamon is favoured in lightening henna. You can also use cardamom. Patch test both but remember that overusing cinnamon regardless of a patch test result can still cause sensitivity problems if too much is used.

See the Innovations link for great ideas by others on application tips and filtering a recipe with added spices reduces/eliminates the wash out grains result.

MonaMayfair
February 15th, 2012, 06:56 AM
Yes, I've already ploughed through the lot!
I'm not risking cinnamon as I have a really sensitive scalp (I've previously had a lot of thyroid induced hair loss which always comes with a sore/itchy/burning scalp - which I still get even though my hair has stopped shedding - so I have to be careful.

I'm planning to add a small amount of EVOO though. I already use honey in my henna/cassia mix (on my roots) and cassia (which I put on the length while I do the roots), and luckily it's one of the recommended honeys (a basic honey from Sainsburys supermarket) so I'm all set!

I'm planning to try this tomorrow. I'm not expecting miracles from one treatment, but it'll be a start!

ktani
February 15th, 2012, 07:00 AM
Yes, I've already ploughed through the lot!
I'm not risking cinnamon as I have a really sensitive scalp (I've previously had a lot of thyroid induced hair loss which always comes with a sore/itchy/burning scalp - which I still get even though my hair has stopped shedding - so I have to be careful.

I'm planning to add a small amount of EVOO though. I already use honey in my henna/cassia mix (on my roots) and cassia (which I put on the length while I do the roots), and luckily it's one of the recommended honeys (a basic honey from Sainsburys supermarket) so I'm all set!

I'm planning to try this tomorrow. I'm not expecting miracles from one treatment, but it'll be a start!

Good luck!

blondyhead
February 15th, 2012, 03:00 PM
Thank you so much for this thread, i think i've stayed up till 4am just going through all the elements you covered!

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ktani
February 15th, 2012, 03:02 PM
Thank you so much for this thread, i think i've stayed up till 4am just going through all the elements you covered!

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You are very welcome.

I have started and participated a few almost as large. I recommend taking breaks, lol.

hototogisu
February 16th, 2012, 05:05 AM
So I just did my third honey treatment in as many days (sorry, hair, but I really want you lighter before my roots become a problem). I mixed 20g honey and 80g distilled water in a spray bottle, let it release for an hour, then sprayed it evenly over my dry, unwashed hair, covered with a shower cap and let it sit for an hour. The honey I've been using has been leaving a residue, so when it was time to rinse out I shampooed with a clarifying shampoo (Garnier Pure Shine) and about a teaspoon of baking soda.

Here's the shocking part: I SMELLED PEROXIDE. As soon as I massaged the shampoo on to my head I could definitely smell peroxide, and it wasn't exactly subtle, either. Now I'm waiting for my hair to air dry. I can't wait to see if it looks even lighter than before.

ktani
February 16th, 2012, 05:16 AM
So I just did my third honey treatment in as many days (sorry, hair, but I really want you lighter before my roots become a problem). I mixed 20g honey and 80g distilled water in a spray bottle, let it release for an hour, then sprayed it evenly over my dry, unwashed hair, covered with a shower cap and let it sit for an hour. The honey I've been using has been leaving a residue, so when it was time to rinse out I shampooed with a clarifying shampoo (Garnier Pure Shine) and about a teaspoon of baking soda.

Here's the shocking part: I SMELLED PEROXIDE. As soon as I massaged the shampoo on to my head I could definitely smell peroxide, and it wasn't exactly subtle, either. Now I'm waiting for my hair to air dry. I can't wait to see if it looks even lighter than before.

No one has reported smelling peroxide from a treatment alone. I do not know what kind of reaction you got mixing baking soda with that shampoo though, ETA which may have produced that smell. Honey residue does not need to be clarified out usually. Shampoo alone has removed it in most reported circumstances.

MonaMayfair
February 16th, 2012, 07:40 AM
I did my first honey treatment today - honey, water and a small amount of EVOO.

I think it has made a slight lightening effect. When my hair was still pretty wet, I noticed the drier bits at the ends looked brighter.
It's quite hard to tell for sure, because, as my hair has henna in it, it looks so different under different lighting conditions - quite brown under some light and lightish red/gold under bright daylight.

I think the top few inches (which have a henna/cassia mix on them) look more blondish/golden than they did before (my color underneath is blonde - or was last time I saw it!)

One thing I disliked (apart from the annoying dripping) was the fact I shed a bit more hair than usual. I think that was due to the moisturizing effects of the honey/oil though.
I avoid rinse out conditioners normally, because they always make me shed a lot more. My usual routine is wash, ACV rinse and leave-in conditioner.

Anyway, my hair's still damp, so haven't seen or felt the full effect so far, but will definitely do this again.

Helenae
February 23rd, 2012, 10:04 AM
I can't get hold of distilled water in any stores in the UK - is deionised water the same?

ktani
February 24th, 2012, 05:04 AM
Water for a honey lightening treatment http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=709254&postcount=4032

ETA: and http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=534131&postcount=3574

Lipbalmbabe
February 24th, 2012, 07:37 PM
Thanks so much! Really worked

blondyhead
February 25th, 2012, 08:17 AM
I love doing the chamomile tea rinse, my hair loves it, thankyou x

maborosi
February 25th, 2012, 07:55 PM
I've done 2 honey lightening treatments in the past 2 days. I am doing my 3rd one tonight.

I have not noticed any dryness or damage. It's hard to say what my results are at this point. I think I'll do a few more before really drawing any big conclusions. I think it could be working because my tips are showing more of a brown color. That is big progress! :cheese:

I'll have to take some pictures in natural lighting tomorrow after I've done my 3rd one (and given it ample time to dry). I only have comparison pictures, though, from after my first one.

~maborosi~

crrr75
March 2nd, 2012, 12:17 PM
Honey lightening on dark, dyed hair


Alley Cat - on chemically dyed, almost black, previously hennaed hair (which shows as red) - 4 to 1 dilution - after 9 treatments - 8 with no conditioner - 3 with ground cinnamon - the last 5 with just water and honey, the 3 most recent with distilled water and the new dilution
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=167875&postcount=1492

Aley Cat - on the condition of her hair following honey lightening
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=168110&postcount=1495

Alley Cat - more on the condition of her hair following her 9th honey lightening treatment - which was with Jarrah honey, which has a very high peroxide value
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=176704&postcount=1596

gallows gallery - dyed black hair over henna on the condition of her hair after 6 honey lightening treatments, the new dilution and Jarrah honey
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=336261&postcount=2637

gallows gallery earlier pics, dyed black hair over henna, the new dilution
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=336307&postcount=2638

gallows gallery new pics, dyed black hair over henna, the new dilution
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=342871&postcount=2780

nayver pictures on dark dyed hair, with the new dilution, after 1 treatment, with distilled water
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=348680&postcount=2868

nayver pictures, after 2 treatments, with the new dilution, using distilled water
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=349878&postcount=2878

nayver - on the condition of her hair following honey lightening this time (she had done it previously)
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=347982&postcount=2861

ljkforu - on previously black dyed ends, hennaed hair, with tap water, ground cinnamon and ground cardamom, and the condition of her hair.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=455932&postcount=3335

ljkforu - more information on her honey lightening recipe
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=433208&postcount=3270

ljkforu - feedback from those around her, in real life
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=437566&postcount=3282

lundmir, after 1 treatment, of honey, distilled water and ground cinnamon, on previously dyed and henned hair
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=681359&postcount=3989, method and washing out details, - http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=681389&postcount=3991

I did several treatments on really dark (almost black) dyed hair - maybe 8 treatments, but realized that it worked better with unprocessed clover honey. I mixed it with cinnamon, olive oil and water. My hair is in better condition than before I started the treatments and it is much lighter. I'm thankful for the recipes and pictures on this site! I'll add pictures as soon as I figure out how. Thank you!

ktani
March 2nd, 2012, 12:28 PM
I did several treatments on really dark (almost black) dyed hair - maybe 8 treatments, but realized that it worked better with unprocessed clover honey. I mixed it with cinnamon, olive oil and water. My hair is in better condition than before I started the treatments and it is much lighter. I'm thankful for the recipes and pictures on this site! I'll add pictures as soon as I figure out how. Thank you!

You are very welcome.

Fantastic news!

Some people use the new recipes as conditioning treatments by leaving them on their hair longer.

While pictures are not necessary for this thread, they are always welcome by me anyway, and I look forward to seeing yours ETA and those of any others who post here.

ETA:2 I am grateful for the condition of the hair information. I used to ask about that. However, I no longer have the time to ask all of those who post here for that. I notice others have been posting that information as well. It is good for those reading the thread to know. Not all honeys leave a residue that can be drying. Some leave no discernable residue at all and most people do not get dryness as a result of honey lightening. It can and has been reported to happen. Shampooing has been reported to be the best way to resolve it, ETA:3 any residue - from many reports here on dealing with it, that, and conditioning afterward.

ETA:4 I am pretty sure that at least some honey residue is beeswax - particles that are not removed when the honey is filtered. The reports sound just like those I have read online of beeswax on the hair - the hair is stiff and "hard" and the feel is "dry". However, when honey residue is removed with shampoo, the hair feels soft and is shiny and is not dry, just like when beeswax is removed from hair, in reports about that I have read. In some cases, it can take more than one shampoo and conditioning to remove such honey residue.

Amber_Maiden
March 2nd, 2012, 12:41 PM
Here you go ktani! As promised:

Before honey lightening- Herbal dark brown dye (which ended up black, pretty much). Under that there was 2 applications of indigo and henna. Then tons of applications of henna- which went too dark.
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff519/shamber1/Photo13.jpg


As of Feb 21st- at application #9:
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff519/shamber1/IMG_4783.jpg

I use Quebec unpasturized wildflower honey- the darker the better. I use distilled water. I mix up rather large batches, so don't really follow any regular recipe or quantity. I am currently on my 12th honey lightening mask. I plan on lightening my hair more, so I can henna it again. I use a honey mask twice a week.

My old colour, before too much henna, before indigo, and before herbal dye was this:
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff519/shamber1/40374_10150229178030061_761790060_14068046_7198124 _n.jpg

I hope to get that colour by the end of this Month, or the in mid-April. Even if I do not reach that colour, mid-April is my cut-off point.

ktani
March 2nd, 2012, 12:47 PM
Here you go ktani! As promised:

Before honey lightening- Herbal dark brown dye (which ended up black, pretty much). Under that there was 2 applications of indigo and henna. Then tons of applications of henna- which went too dark.
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff519/shamber1/Photo13.jpg


As of Feb 21st- at application #9:
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff519/shamber1/IMG_4783.jpg

I use Quebec unpasturized wildflower honey- the darker the better. I use distilled water. I mix up rather large batches, so don't really follow any regular recipe or quantity. I am currently on my 12th honey lightening mask. I plan on lightening my hair more, so I can henna it again. I use a honey mask twice a week.

My old colour, before too much henna, before indigo, and before herbal dye was this:
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff519/shamber1/40374_10150229178030061_761790060_14068046_7198124 _n.jpg

I hope to get that colour by the end of this Month, or the in mid-April. Even if I do not reach that colour, mid-April is my cut-off point.

Fantastic news and colour! Your hair looks gorgeous and healthy.

I gather there are no damage issues or you would not be continuing with the lightening. Amazing results! Thank you for posting the pictures.

Amber_Maiden
March 2nd, 2012, 12:50 PM
Thank you!
Nope, no damage. I was very careful about making sure to rinse all the honey out, and to use enough shampoo/conditioner so there would be no residue and damage from that.

I'm definitely going to keep going! I'll post pics again in a few weeks, maybe around number 20 applications of honey- at the end of this month. :)

HollywoodRouge
March 2nd, 2012, 07:26 PM
Just wondering if anyone knows whether leaving honey on hair for 7 hours in one go, or putting honey on hair for 1 hour, rinsing out, and putting another honey treatment on the hair for another hour rinsing out, and repeating for 7 hours would achieve a lighter result faster?
Im thinking maybe the second option, because then more peroxide is being produced?
Because doesn't honey produce most of the peroxide (the thing that actually lightens the hair) in the first hour? Then progressively slows?

Amber_Maiden
March 15th, 2012, 04:49 PM
Hi ktani,

Wondering... I oil my hair everyday, and wash my hair once a week. I put oil on everyday, and I wonder, do you think it hinders the honey? Can the honey penetrate through all the oil?

Thank you!

ktani
March 15th, 2012, 06:07 PM
Hi ktani,

Wondering... I oil my hair everyday, and wash my hair once a week. I put oil on everyday, and I wonder, do you think it hinders the honey? Can the honey penetrate through all the oil?

Thank you!

Good question.

It is unlikely that you are removing all of the oil when you shampoo. And I do say it is better not to have too much residue on the hair in the first post links.

However, you have been getting good results. You may get better results faster, if you remove more oil residue and clarify.

Amber_Maiden
March 15th, 2012, 07:04 PM
Good question.

It is unlikely that you are removing all of the oil when you shampoo. And I do say it is better not to have too much residue on the hair in the first post links.

However, you have been getting good results. You may get better results faster, if you remove more oil residue and clarify.

Thank you! I guess I might try shampooing and then doing the honey treatment and see what happens!

ktani
March 15th, 2012, 07:15 PM
Thank you! I guess I might try shampooing and then doing the honey treatment and see what happens!

You are very welcome.

hototogisu
March 16th, 2012, 11:37 AM
I just thought I'd post with an update on my honey lightening routine. I've been using Colour B4 to remove my chemical dye, so I've been using a modified honey mask mostly to condition but also to lift the colour a little. I swapped out the distilled water for coconut milk, which I believe is PH neutral. I've also been measuring by volume instead of weight.

I mix up 25ml honey, 100ml coconut milk and 1 tbsp olive oil in a hair dye applicator bottle, shake to combine and let it sit for an hour. Then I squirt it all over my dry hair, bag it, let it 'cook' for an hour or so and shampoo and condition.

I haven't been taking photos, but I do notice it's been toning down the copper in my hair, and it's been working wonders for the condition of my hair. I also find the coconut milk makes the mix just viscous enough to not be as drippy.

summergame
March 19th, 2012, 01:28 AM
Here you go ktani! As promised:

Before honey lightening- Herbal dark brown dye (which ended up black, pretty much). Under that there was 2 applications of indigo and henna. Then tons of applications of henna- which went too dark.
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff519/shamber1/Photo13.jpg


As of Feb 21st- at application #9:
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff519/shamber1/IMG_4783.jpg


http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff519/shamber1/40374_10150229178030061_761790060_14068046_7198124 _n.jpg
.

What a beautiful results! You really see a good process! How long do you leave the recipe on? :flower:

Amber_Maiden
March 19th, 2012, 05:42 AM
Thank you. The middle picture was the closest I could get to my original colour- the last picture. I left it on about four hours at a time.

sashinka22
March 19th, 2012, 06:12 AM
Amber_Maiden, this is great result! i wish mine will be like that, i have the exact starting color!!
i did a strand test to check if my honey is good but it did nothing, so i will try to order jarrah honey and try again.

HollywoodRouge
March 22nd, 2012, 01:26 AM
Just wondering if anyone knows whether leaving honey on hair for 7 hours in one go, or putting honey on hair for 1 hour, rinsing out, and putting another honey treatment on the hair for another hour rinsing out, and repeating for 7 hours would achieve a lighter result faster?
Im thinking maybe the second option, because then more peroxide is being produced?
Because doesn't honey produce most of the peroxide (the thing that actually lightens the hair) in the first hour? Then progressively slows?
...anyone?

ktani
March 22nd, 2012, 04:58 AM
...anyone?

The second option for one hour has been reported to work well. Seven hours is unnecessary, in my opinion. You can leave a treatment on the hair more than one hour if you like.

Different honeys have different peak and decline times. For those who prefer a longer time, two hours has also been reported to work well. However, as I said, one hour has been reported to work just fine.

ETA: If someone wants to leave a treatment on the hair for seven hours they can. I just see no point to it, with the new recipes.

ETA:2 For the new recipes, one can leave the treatment to sit for one hour before application to develop the peroxide value, and do a one hour timing on the hair as well.

ETA:3 While conditioner, coconut cream and coconut milk can work for honey lightening, they are no longer recommended because from the first post link,

"8. Conditioner is no longer recommended to be included in honey lightening recipes. Conditioner is too acidic for most honeys and the spices, (it can reduce the optimal pH needed for a honey to produce peroxide), can contain ingredients that interfere with honey lightening, and its water content (most conditioners are 70-90% water), if used as part of the new dilution, can effectively reduce the amount of water needed. The same applies to coconut cream and milk (they contain minerals, are acidic and contain Vitamin C, as well as not enough water). You can use conditioner only, to wash out a honey lightening treatment, instead of using shampoo or just rinse a treatment out. If there is honey residue, shampoo is recommended and has been reported to easily resolve the problem."

They take longer to work and may not work as well.

MonaMayfair
March 22nd, 2012, 07:20 AM
Well, I've now done the honey treatment on my hair nine times and have definitely seen a difference in color. As to the condition; it feels the same, but looks shinier.

My hair has henna/cassia on the top few inches and just henna on the rest, so it's darker and redder on the length. I'd like to make it lighter overall and get rid of as much of the red as I can (I know it will still have a lot of red, but I want a more golden subtle look)

I have a couple of questions I'd love some opinions on!

1) Has anyone done a lot more than nine or ten treatments (I've done nine so far) and continued to see a noticeable lightening?
I think I can still see a gradual change, but, of course, it's pretty subtle and I'm not sure exactly how much difference I'm seeing in the last few attempts.

2) I'm thinking of using Sun In or the similar John Freida lightening spray to lighten it up even more.
Would the fact I've already honey lightened (even though it's so gentle) make my hair even more likely to be damaged by using a spray like this?
And if I do try this, should I take a break from the honey lightening before I do it?
I've been using the honey almost every wash (which is every three days) with no ill effects so far!

ktani
March 22nd, 2012, 07:31 AM
Well, I've now done the honey treatment on my hair nine times and have definitely seen a difference in color. As to the condition; it feels the same, but looks shinier.

My hair has henna/cassia on the top few inches and just henna on the rest, so it's darker and redder on the length. I'd like to make it lighter overall and get rid of as much of the red as I can (I know it will still have a lot of red, but I want a more golden subtle look)

I have a couple of questions I'd love some opinions on!

1) Has anyone done a lot more than nine or ten treatments (I've done nine so far) and continued to see a noticeable lightening?
I think I can still see a gradual change, but, of course, it's pretty subtle and I'm not sure exactly how much difference I'm seeing in the last few attempts.

2) I'm thinking of using Sun In or the similar John Freida lightening spray to lighten it up even more.
Would the fact I've already honey lightened (even though it's so gentle) make my hair even more likely to be damaged by using a spray like this?
And if I do try this, should I take a break from the honey lightening before I do it?
I've been using the honey almost every wash (which is every three days) with no ill effects so far!

2) There is no reason I can think of why it should make your hair more likely to be damaged.

You can takes steps to help prevent Sun-In damage though.

The protective mechanisims in honey and the other honey lightening recipe ingredients have been "translated" to help protect hair from conventional peroxide damage, without losing lightening, http://ktanihairsense.blogspot.ca/2009/11/part-1-of-3-part-series-on-innovative.html

See also the first page of the thread linked in the blog post. You can do a pre-treatment with coconut oil before using the Sun-In.

MonaMayfair
March 22nd, 2012, 07:44 AM
Thankyou for replying ktani. I'd read about the coconut oil before bleaching, but hadn't thought of it in relation to Sun In!

Any thoughts on whether doing another ten or so honey treatments would result in continued lightening?

ktani
March 22nd, 2012, 07:51 AM
Thankyou for replying ktani. I'd read about the coconut oil before bleaching, but hadn't thought of it in relation to Sun In!

Any thoughts on whether doing another ten or so honey treatments would result in continued lightening?

You are very welcome.

People here in this thread have done over 9 treatments with continued lightening and no reported damage.

In older threads, months of honey lightening resulted in continued lightening and no hair damage and one person did one almost every day.

The difference is that with the new recipes, lightening has been reported to be faster, more consistent and better.

MonaMayfair
March 22nd, 2012, 08:04 AM
Oh thanks! I'm going to continue with the honey for a good while then! I might do one Sun In session as well, to see what that does.

The honey, far from causing damage, has definitely made my hair shinier (before the honey it was less shiny than what's normal for me, because I do regular cassia on the lengths - I'm one of the people for whom cassia makes hair feel a bit drier and less silky; but I use it for volume as I've had hair loss in the past - thyroid- and my hair's not as thick as it was)

The only thing I'm not liking about the honey (apart from it being a bit time consuming) are the sticky drips! I've got the wrapping with plastic wrap, then shower cap and paper towels stuck all round my neck down to a fine art by now, but still get quite a few sticky trails down my face and back. Still honey's a relatively pleasant thing to get on your skin!

ktani
March 22nd, 2012, 08:09 AM
Oh thanks! I'm going to continue with the honey for a good while then! I might do one Sun In session as well, to see what that does.

The honey, far from causing damage, has definitely made my hair shinier (before the honey it was less shiny than what's normal for me, because I do regular cassia on the lengths - I'm one of the people for whom cassia makes hair feel a bit drier and less silky; but I use it for volume as I've had hair loss in the past - thyroid- and my hair's not as thick as it was)

The only thing I'm not liking about the honey (apart from it being a bit time consuming) are the sticky drips! I've got the wrapping with plastic wrap, then shower cap and paper towels stuck all round my neck down to a fine art by now, but still get quite a few sticky trails down my face and back. Still honey's a relatively pleasant thing to get on your skin!

You are very welcome.

Again from the first post links,

"The hair must be kept completely wet with the treatment both before it is covered and while the treatment is on the hair. Wearing a swim cap is recommended. Also recommened, is to use saran wrap under a lycra swim cap. It does not squeeze out too much water and the treatment does not drip as much with this method. An updated post (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=578074&postcount=3712) of honey lightening innovations. Using a towel moist enough to keep hair wet has also been reported to work well and reduce drips."

ETA: from the Innovations link

"Bagging a honey lightening recipe to control drips by Zenity,

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=1454349&postcount=4691 and http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=1454378&postcount=4692 and http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=1454580&postcount=4695 and http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=1454584&postcount=4697 and http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=1454630&postcount=4698"

MonaMayfair
March 22nd, 2012, 08:19 AM
Thanks for all the links! I did know about the swim cap being a good idea (I spent ages reading through all the info before I started) but as I don't own one I've been improvising with saran wrap and a shower cap.

If I'm going to do lots more treatments, I think it would be a good idea for me to invest in a swim cap right now!

ktani
March 22nd, 2012, 09:04 AM
Thanks for all the links! I did know about the swim cap being a good idea (I spent ages reading through all the info before I started) but as I don't own one I've been improvising with saran wrap and a shower cap.

If I'm going to do lots more treatments, I think it would be a good idea for me to invest in a swim cap right now!

You are very welcome. Good luck!

Shesta
March 23rd, 2012, 02:57 AM
Second treatment sitting on my hair.. or better to say dripping from my hair :D

I mixed 2 tbs of honey with 1 tea spoon of cinnamon and 1 tbs of evoo, then added 12 tbs of tap water.

Results to be reported later today.. :)

sashinka22
March 25th, 2012, 11:39 AM
ktani, which other honey is most recommended after jarrah? i can't order it here.. so is there any other recommended brands i can find at the health store such as iherb and vitacost? i saw the list but which one you think is the most effective?
thank you very much!

ktani
March 25th, 2012, 03:24 PM
ktani, which other honey is most recommended after jarrah? i can't order it here.. so is there any other recommended brands i can find at the health store such as iherb and vitacost? i saw the list but which one you think is the most effective?
thank you very much!

That is really hard to say. And as I told someone recently, honeys change or are changed, in that Billy Bee for example, which is on the list, used to be all Canadian honey and is now blended with international honeys.

I think, and it depends on where you are, Naturally Preferred Fireweed honey (Fred Meyer and Kroger stores) is a good choice.

ETA: Being in Israel, that is not one for you, lol. However, this post from the first post may help you, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=295895&postcount=2370
"Here is the Successful Honeys List (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=119128&postcount=856itamin),

If one cannot be found - try a dark coloured honey blend - raw or pasteurized - both have been reported to work equally well. Dark coloured blends were reported in research, to have higher peroxide levels than lighter coloured blends. A dark coloured, single source honey, does not necessarily have a high peroxide value - it depends on the plant source. Avoid using Anzer, buckwheat, chestnut, linden flower, locust flower, mint and thyme honeys."

jojo
March 25th, 2012, 03:31 PM
I highly recommend Clover honey its brilliant. I live in the UK and yesterday did a honey treatment using clover honey from Aldi in the UK for £1.79. I had a semi red dye on my hair which was fading fast, heres my results
before
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/joanna_eglin/DSCF9262.jpg
and 2 days later after one treatment
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/joanna_eglin/DSCF9349.jpg
no damage as usual with the treatment, just soft wonderfully moisturised hair!

Kazu
March 26th, 2012, 07:20 AM
Is it safe to do that 2 or 3 times a week?
I tried the method with some cheap money but i'm not sure if it's a good one since i didn't noticed any differences at all except that my hair was quite shiny! i'm from germany so i couldn't find any honey in the list but is there anything you can look out for?

and is there some kind of thread with all methods of lightening hair? i saw so many threads about the topic and now I'm so confused :confused:

I'm sorry if my English sounds weird, this is my first post here but i already found so many useful information, this is a great forum ^_^

kionkichin
March 26th, 2012, 11:11 AM
I highly recommend Clover honey its brilliant. I live in the UK and yesterday did a honey treatment using clover honey from Aldi in the UK for £1.79. I had a semi red dye on my hair which was fading fast, heres my results
before
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/joanna_eglin/DSCF9262.jpg
and 2 days later after one treatment
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/joanna_eglin/DSCF9349.jpg
no damage as usual with the treatment, just soft wonderfully moisturised hair!

OMG! That's a huge change!!!! It was yor first honey treatment? Did you add cinnamon or evoo?

pixiestar
March 28th, 2012, 07:46 AM
I've been wanting to lighten my hair colour. I have been doing henna glosses for nearly a year now. And now decided to go back to my natural colour of light brown, I do have 10% gray so I am thinking of using cassia to colour my grays blonde.
I have done 3 honey lightenings using 2 tbsp of sainsburys basics honey and 12 tbsp of cooled boiled filtered water. Here are some photos. I think it has lightened.
Before
http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l514/pixiestar13/Hair%20Length/IMG_4687.jpg
After
http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l514/pixiestar13/Honey%20Lightening/IMG_4826-1.jpg
http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l514/pixiestar13/Honey%20Lightening/IMG_4824-1.jpg
First pic is before, other 2 are after 3 honey lightenings. Pic in siggie is after 2.

summergame
March 30th, 2012, 12:23 PM
I have used acacia honey for 5 times now,it really did not do anything for me. I wish i could get a better honey here in Belgium who work well for me.

Lipbalmbabe
April 6th, 2012, 04:28 PM
I've had honey on my hair since yesterday (5pm) would it be very damaging to not wash hair until Sunday?

jojo
April 6th, 2012, 04:34 PM
OMG! That's a huge change!!!! It was yor first honey treatment? Did you add cinnamon or evoo?

Well ive done quite a few in the past and colour B4 to get rid of hendigo which i was successful in but then i put a semi dye on (got bored!) and then decided to go lighter for summer, so in this period this was my first honey treatment. I used clover honey, it did darken to a more dark blonde but it is very similar to my natural colour, im still doing 2 a week with no damage at all and hoping for a few shades lighter!

Lipbalmbabe
April 6th, 2012, 04:57 PM
Why did ktani leave lhc?

jojo
April 6th, 2012, 05:40 PM
Why did ktani leave lhc?

oh i hope not??? dunno?? it says former member??? confused!:confused:

summergame
April 7th, 2012, 11:13 AM
I really hope that she didn't left LHC... :(

Phalaenopsis
April 7th, 2012, 11:46 AM
I have used acacia honey for 5 times now,it really did not do anything for me. I wish i could get a better honey here in Belgium who work well for me.
Try the regular Meli honey in squeeze bottles. Worked like a charm and completely bleached and ruined my hair :)

LaceyNg
April 8th, 2012, 10:19 PM
i hope ktani didnt leave!!!! :(


i actually dropped by this thread to say that i've done 2 honey lightening treatments recently. the 1st was before i read all of the info on the 1st post of this tread, so i just threw some honey and tap water together into a decent consistency, threw it on my hair, wrapped in saran wrap, and left it for 6 hours. i shodul note that i was also using the honey as a scalp treatment to give my scalp moisture, which is why i left it on so long.

i didnt really botice any lightening, but what i DID get was hair that didnt need to be washed for a loooonnnng time! i'm currently WO and have been since late november, but i was still washing daily to combat an dry/flakey scalp. i could go to washing every other day, but that 2nd day wasnt really comfortable on my scalp. after the 1st treatment i went 9 days before washing, and i *could* have gone longer, but was all sweaty from moving.

after that 1st wash after the treatment i DID notice that my hair had a faint smell of honey, so i know there must have been some honey residue still left behind, but my hair doenst seem weighed down or anything. i think the residue may be keeping my hair from getting greasy when i go so long between washes now. maybe. i dunno.

so then i did a 2nd treatment, this time mixing 1 tbsp honey to 6 tbsp distilled water, and 1 tbsb-ish of ground cinnamon. i have to say, i was a bit nervous about the cinnamon, since my scalp can be sensitive. and when i first put it on it DID tingle a bit wherever the mixture came into contact with skin. and i almost cried when a trickle of the mixture ran down my face and after i wiped it away i still had a red irritated line of skin there. i thought i'd for sure made my scalp angry. but in no time at all the tingling went away, as did the reddness. i left the treatment on for 2 hours, and then rinsed. i shoudl note that as a WO-er, i DID NOT have any trouble rinsing out the honey/cinnamon mixture. i thought i might, b/c i know how difficult henna can me, and though tthe cinnamon might have the same lingering grittiness. but nope! came right out. my hair did smell like cinnamon after the rinse, so i know some did get left behind though.

i think it's been another 5 days or so since the 2nd treatment. my henna'd hair does seem a bit less red toned, and my ashy brown roots are MAYBE a little lighter, but it's hard to say for sure. funny thing though-- when i was in the shower just now washing my hair (i only went 5 days before washing this time b/c DH pointed out that my hair smelled bad :( ) smelled this WONDERFUL delicious smell! and i'm standing there thinking WHAT did he bring into the shower that smells so good?! and then after i get out and sniff my hair to check for funny smells i realize it was that cinnamon still there. doh!

so i think i'll do another treatment here in a week or so with honey water, and cinnamon, and then a week after THAT i may do a honey-lemon juice- rinse/treatment, in hopes that the honey will give moisture to my scalp and the lemon juice will remove some honey and cinnamon buildup thats obviously lingering. i know that it's not recommended to add lemon to the honey for lightening, so i dont expect to really get any lightening from that one.

also (and i'm sorry this is so long-winded!!!), i should mention that i used manuka honey for the 1st treatment, and clove honey for the 2nd. my scalp flakes when i scritch are now more powdery, and not actually flakey anymore, and theres hardly any there. i'm wondering if it might just be buildup from hard water, actually. if so, perhaps the lemon will help w/ that as well. i suppose i'll need to add mostly lemon juice with just a touch on honey and water, and pray the lemon doesnt kill my hair. i MIGHT just use tea instead, since it's still acidic but less so.... hmmmmm

brave
April 20th, 2012, 11:39 AM
I have a question related to honey, but not for lightening purposes. There's a link ktani posted about someone who used it simply as a leave in. Does anyone else do this? What's the effect? Do you have to heat it or if you use a minimal amount is it ok?

Is it ok to use the bottle shaped like a bear or do I need fancy honey?

LaceyNg
April 20th, 2012, 09:37 PM
I have a question related to honey, but not for lightening purposes. There's a link ktani posted about someone who used it simply as a leave in. Does anyone else do this? What's the effect? Do you have to heat it or if you use a minimal amount is it ok?

Is it ok to use the bottle shaped like a bear or do I need fancy honey?

brave,

i dont actually TRY to use it as a leave in, but since i am WO and do honey treatments plenty of residue is left behind. i know it's there b/c it makes my scalp feel much better. if i rinse again with no honey my scalp gets all crazy again :/

to actually answer your questions though

effect: makes my hair feel thicker for the first few days, makes scalp not get flakes or itch at ALL, helps to make old flakes come off

if you're going to use it frequently or dont want to get ANY amount of lightening, i'd heat it a bit first. but if you're only going to use it every now and then or dont mind a tad bit of lightening, then i wouldnt bother with heating.

and i believe lots of people use non-fancy honey. i myself have used both the manuka and just regular raw clover honey, and did not notice a difference.

anybody ever hear what happened to ktani....? :(

earthnut
April 20th, 2012, 10:41 PM
I have a question related to honey, but not for lightening purposes. There's a link ktani posted about someone who used it simply as a leave in. Does anyone else do this? What's the effect? Do you have to heat it or if you use a minimal amount is it ok?

Is it ok to use the bottle shaped like a bear or do I need fancy honey?

Honey is a humectant (any honey, any brand, any temp). Which means it will help moisturize your hair by pulling water out of the air. For some hair types and weather conditions (very dry or very humid) humectants can cause frizziness. Otherwise it's a good moisturizer.

I like to use it mixed and heated with a little oil. The oil helps the honey spread so that it's easier to apply. Like pure oil, I use a very little amount.

MidnightStar
April 22nd, 2012, 08:46 AM
I have a question about honey lightening. I've gone through quite a bit of this thread and haven't seen anyone posting about it, so thought I'd ask. Has anyone ever honey-lightened their hair, and then wanted to go back darker? I know with typical peroxides and lighteners, it's very difficult to get your hair darker again, because the color tends to fade over time. I'm contemplating trying to lighten some of my length, to get it where the color will match my roots (I'd previously indigoed my already brown-black hair, and my new henna routine doesn't show as well as it does on my roots). However, I tend to change my mind about my hair every six months or so. I wouldn't want to lighten my hair and then make it difficult for it to go darker again.
Thanks in advance! This thread is hugely informative. :)

MonaMayfair
April 22nd, 2012, 08:58 AM
MidnightStar, I've never come across this either, though I'm thinking that because the honey lightening is so subtle in comparison to normal peroxide it might not be as much of a problem. Maybe someone else will know for sure.

LOL, I change my mind about almost everything every 6 months! I'm amazed I liked having henna'd hair for over 2 years (I'm doing the honey lightening to try to minimize the red - I did my 16th treatment today)

LaceyNg
April 23rd, 2012, 09:25 AM
MidnightStar, I've never come across this either, though I'm thinking that because the honey lightening is so subtle in comparison to normal peroxide it might not be as much of a problem. Maybe someone else will know for sure.

LOL, I change my mind about almost everything every 6 months! I'm amazed I liked having henna'd hair for over 2 years (I'm doing the honey lightening to try to minimize the red - I did my 16th treatment today)

16 treatments, WOW! so have you noticed a dramatic difference from when you first started?

SnowWhite
April 24th, 2012, 01:28 AM
About honey. I mix a substantial amount with some conditioner, leave it in for an hour or a little more if I forgot to check the clock, then rinse it out.
I did about 6/7 treatments and I do notice a small difference.
If I look in the mirror I can see some blonde shades (which I'd never seen before in the same light). I've got virgin middle/dark brown hair.
And perhaps it's weird, but I kind of think the honey gives my hair a slightly warmer shade. My hair had exactly the same color as my eyebrows (I never dyed my hair, nor my eyebrows) and the former 'cool' brown shade is now more chocolate brown and a little lighter than my eyebrows. It's not noticeable for strangers, but I do see a difference and it can't be a product of my own imagination.
I don't do anything weird with my hair so I must blame the honey I think.

MonaMayfair
April 24th, 2012, 05:41 AM
16 treatments, WOW! so have you noticed a dramatic difference from when you first started?

Hi Lacey, yes I've noticed a pretty big difference. Just to explain, my hair has henna/cassia on the top few inches (maybe down as far as my ears) then just henna on the rest, so the length is darker and redder.

The first two or three honey treatments made my hair look a bit lighter and brighter. After one or two more, the length was much brighter red (ironically, I would have loved this color several months ago, but now I'm tired of the red and trying to get rid of it!)
Now, after sixteen treatments, my length looks more light reddish brown, showing up with more golden as well as copper in the sun.
The top few inches with more cassia than henna are still a bit reddish, but more goldenish. Before henna, I had light/medium blonde hair which I'd put a semi-permanent dark brown color on - now my roots look more like a dark blonde! Maybe they always grew through darker, I don't remember. I'd never dyed my hair before, apart from color conditioners like Aveda, and temporary wash out colors.
I'd been using henna since (I think) summer 2009, and put the semi-permanent on a couple of months before, so haven't seen my real color since then!

Incidentally, I know a lot of people have done way more than sixteen treatments.

I have also done a couple of sun-in sessions, but because I sort of chickened out and didn't spray much on (also my hair was smothered in coconut oil for protection) so I didn't notice any more dramatic effect than I got with honey!
My hair condition has actually improved with the honey, it's shinier, brighter in color and just as soft, if not softer, than before.
I've been doing it almost every time I wash, which is normally every third day. I'm planning to do the seventeenth treatment tomorrow...

LaceyNg
April 24th, 2012, 09:58 AM
Hi Lacey, yes I've noticed a pretty big difference. Just to explain, my hair has henna/cassia on the top few inches (maybe down as far as my ears) then just henna on the rest, so the length is darker and redder.

The first two or three honey treatments made my hair look a bit lighter and brighter. After one or two more, the length was much brighter red (ironically, I would have loved this color several months ago, but now I'm tired of the red and trying to get rid of it!)
Now, after sixteen treatments, my length looks more light reddish brown, showing up with more golden as well as copper in the sun.
The top few inches with more cassia than henna are still a bit reddish, but more goldenish. Before henna, I had light/medium blonde hair which I'd put a semi-permanent dark brown color on - now my roots look more like a dark blonde! Maybe they always grew through darker, I don't remember. I'd never dyed my hair before, apart from color conditioners like Aveda, and temporary wash out colors.
I'd been using henna since (I think) summer 2009, and put the semi-permanent on a couple of months before, so haven't seen my real color since then!

Incidentally, I know a lot of people have done way more than sixteen treatments.

I have also done a couple of sun-in sessions, but because I sort of chickened out and didn't spray much on (also my hair was smothered in coconut oil for protection) so I didn't notice any more dramatic effect than I got with honey!
My hair condition has actually improved with the honey, it's shinier, brighter in color and just as soft, if not softer, than before.
I've been doing it almost every time I wash, which is normally every third day. I'm planning to do the seventeenth treatment tomorrow...

thank's great, MonaMayfair! and thank so much for the detailed response! :) that's interesting that you're seeing more golden tones now! i could almost swear that my henna length is more ashy now! i'll just have to wait and see though, since i've only done 4 treatments so far...

do you let your mix sit for an hour before you put it on? and then leave it on for an hour?

winship2
April 26th, 2012, 06:15 PM
Currently have my first honey lightening treatment in to try to dislodge a bit of henndigo color. So far I smell wonderfully like baklava and my head is feeling very heavy all swathed and wrapped on top of my sore neck...

MonaMayfair
April 27th, 2012, 05:52 AM
thank's great, MonaMayfair! and thank so much for the detailed response! :) that's interesting that you're seeing more golden tones now! i could almost swear that my henna length is more ashy now! i'll just have to wait and see though, since i've only done 4 treatments so far...

do you let your mix sit for an hour before you put it on? and then leave it on for an hour?

Yes that's how I do it. Sometimes I leave it on for a little longer, but not for hours or anything.
I've tried adding EVOO a couple of times for the extra peroxide boost, but I find it doesn't wash out of my hair easily (even when I've only used a tiny amount) so I just use honey and water.
I would try adding cinnamon, but I have a really sensitive scalp and don't want to risk it!

NaturalVegan
April 27th, 2012, 08:57 AM
ktani -

First:

Thank you SO much for that first post that consolidates all the basics about honey lightening! WAYYYYYYY more convenient than searching through over 500 pages of posts! It's so appreciated, not just for me, but for others I'll share the info with.

Haven't tried it quite yet... strongly considering it, despite being a very strict vegan, because I want to lighten my virgin hair so badly yet completely avoid chemicals, so honey's seeming more and more like the only option that'll show up enough (except maybe cardamom or chamomile or maybe Elumen?). A real ethical dilemna for me. Hmm.

Second:

Not sure what conditioner to follow up with. Conditioner works better than shampoo to remove honey residue, right? What is the best 100% natural conditioner choice? Wanna keep it really simple. Would simply jojoba oil or aloe vera gel or white vinegar for example do the trick?

NaturalVegan
April 27th, 2012, 08:58 AM
P.S.

Not sure ktani still posts on this forum? Lists her as a "former member," yet I notice she edited that first honey post just last month (March 2012)...

NaturalVegan
April 27th, 2012, 09:53 AM
P.S.

Not sure ktani still posts on this forum? Lists her as a "former member," yet I notice she edited that first honey post just last month (March 2012)...

Never mind, just found this post saying ktani is no longer a LHC forum member:
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=91737&page=6

Aw, that's a shame :(

MidnightStar
April 28th, 2012, 08:56 AM
MidnightStar, I've never come across this either, though I'm thinking that because the honey lightening is so subtle in comparison to normal peroxide it might not be as much of a problem. Maybe someone else will know for sure.

LOL, I change my mind about almost everything every 6 months! I'm amazed I liked having henna'd hair for over 2 years (I'm doing the honey lightening to try to minimize the red - I did my 16th treatment today)

Late to reply, but thanks for the insight! I'm a little hesitant to honey my hair, considering I've seen that it actually can cause damage, and my hair (at least the part that I would plan on honeying) is still recovering from all the damaging stuff I did to it a year ago. But maybe I'll still give it a try. Probably if I use one of the older recipes, with coconut creme or conditioner, rather than straight water? Hmm. Will consider this.

MonaMayfair
April 29th, 2012, 04:13 AM
Late to reply, but thanks for the insight! I'm a little hesitant to honey my hair, considering I've seen that it actually can cause damage, and my hair (at least the part that I would plan on honeying) is still recovering from all the damaging stuff I did to it a year ago. But maybe I'll still give it a try. Probably if I use one of the older recipes, with coconut creme or conditioner, rather than straight water? Hmm. Will consider this.

I read through this whole thread (took ages, and I didn't do it all at once!) when I decided to try the honey, and I saw how the technique was gradually refined to give the best results.

Ktani came to the conclusion that the water and honey in the correct ratios was the best method (with the optional additional of peroxide boosters like EVOO etc) I know the conditioner would make it less effective. I think the same was said for coconut, though I remember someone used coconut milk in place of water and said it was working for her.

I think, logically, any amount of peroxide, even tiny, has the potential to cause damage, but it depends on your definition of damage.
A lot of people on here, won't wear their hair loose for example, or use chemical dye. Personally I do wear my hair loose sometimes (the rest of the time in ponytail or braids, so not an updo) and I've started to think about using chemical dye. I'm more concerned with the color and how I feel about my hair than having it in pristine condition and not getting any fun out of it!
I don't notice any visible damage in my hair EXCEPT today I can now put slightly more Argan oil in it (and it drinks it up) than before. BUT I'm talking about a tiny amount of oil and I HAVE also used Sun-In twice so that would make it drier.
I covered my hair with coconut oil before using the Sun-In incidentally.
I have found my hair is shinier since doing the honey treatments.

LaceyNg
May 16th, 2012, 08:32 PM
as an update on my honey treatments, i've stopped doing them for the time being, as I was starting to get build-up. I'm not too surprised, since i AM WO-- but the buildup was making my hair look dull and heavier. i was doing the honey treatment every week on my wash day. since i only wash once a week though, i've used the past 2 washes to do mild ACV rinses instead. right now i still have a little buildup left, and i can really only tell b/c my hair still smelled faintly of cinnamon after my last ACV rinse. I plan on doing at least 1 more ACV rinse before i resume the honey treatments, and i figure taking a 3 week break should allow my hair to grow out a little and i *should* be able to see where my roots look a little darker. I'll update again after a few more honey treatments :)

Henrietta
May 19th, 2012, 09:15 AM
Henri's got an ideological problem. Namely, I'd like to do an SMT but I don't have a microwave. I don't want any damage or lightening from the peroxide that sits in honey. So: is there any other way to kill it? Will simply heating the honey help? Or does it take microwaves to kill the peroxide?

MonaMayfair
May 19th, 2012, 09:38 AM
I'm no expert on this because I've only used honey either specifically intending to release peroxide, (which worked) OR I've used it mixed in with henna and cassia (which as far as I know never lightened my hair at all, and just made it softer - I've always used honey for this since I began to use henna)

I'm not sure honey would lighten your hair anyway, unless you left it to release peroxide for the prescribed time (since honey lightening doesn't work for everyone)

I would THINK just heating would kill any possible peroxide though, I expect people use a microwave for convenience.
I'm sure people more familiar with doing this will post and tell you though!

Siiri
May 20th, 2012, 04:32 AM
Henri's got an ideological problem. Namely, I'd like to do an SMT but I don't have a microwave. I don't want any damage or lightening from the peroxide that sits in honey. So: is there any other way to kill it? Will simply heating the honey help? Or does it take microwaves to kill the peroxide?


I'm no expert on this because I've only used honey either specifically intending to release peroxide, (which worked) OR I've used it mixed in with henna and cassia (which as far as I know never lightened my hair at all, and just made it softer - I've always used honey for this since I began to use henna)

I'm not sure honey would lighten your hair anyway, unless you left it to release peroxide for the prescribed time (since honey lightening doesn't work for everyone)

I would THINK just heating would kill any possible peroxide though, I expect people use a microwave for convenience.
I'm sure people more familiar with doing this will post and tell you though!

Yep you just heat the honey until it bubbles. I use microwave because it's easier.

I wouldn't necessarily heat the honey directly in a kettle, because I suspect it may burn easily (but I have never tried it), but you could try putting the honey in a mug, then put the mug in a kettle filled with water and heat that up - like you'd be melting chocolate.

meteor
May 22nd, 2012, 05:33 PM
I've had 6 weekly honey lightening sessions, and the first one had the most effect. My highlights immediately got brighter and my virgin hair just shinier. I am still in experimentation mode on this. I usually do the dilution in tap water thing (for an hour), immediately followed by conditioner with honey (for another hour), and it's possible that different conditioners affect the result differently.
I will keep doing it but mostly just for the moisturizing effect, since the "lightening" is so subtle that it is completely outweighted by the temporary darkening effect I get from oiling my hair regularly.

LaceyNg
May 25th, 2012, 10:39 AM
Henri's got an ideological problem. Namely, I'd like to do an SMT but I don't have a microwave. I don't want any damage or lightening from the peroxide that sits in honey. So: is there any other way to kill it? Will simply heating the honey help? Or does it take microwaves to kill the peroxide?

yeah, any method of heating it should work. and actually, you could use it right away after it's mixed up, before the honey has a chance to release peroxide, as MonaMayfair pointed out.
OR, you could let it sit all mixed up for a few hours or so before using it, so that the peroxide has a chance to fizzle out.

honestly though, the effects of honey lightening are SO subtle, that i doubt you'd notice anything from using it once a month or so.... that's just my opinion though


as an update, i FOR SURE notice where my hair's been lightened (after 4 treatments). theres no line of demarcation or anything, but my roots have always been that in between color that isnt quite brown OR blonde, with a touch of red. now my hair at the front hairline area definitely looks blonde as opposed to light brown. it's interesting though, b/c when a person bleaches their hair they tend to get red tones, but the honey seems to be REMOVING red tones, if anything. I'm only using it on the root area, so my length with henna isn't affected at all.

also, i've been using listerine to hopefully get rid of my scalp flakes, and it, along w/ the ACV rinses, are doing a good job of removing honey and cinnamon buildup.

hennť
June 9th, 2012, 09:16 AM
I just did my first honey lightening treatment! :disco:

My hair feels a little 'stiff' and it actually made a squeaky sound when I finger combed it :D, but it feels very very good. I put some almond oil onto the ends because they're always a little drier than the rest of my hair (but no splits).

Here is how I mixed the treatment:

3 tbsp honey
18 tbsp tap water
1 tbsp EVOO
1tbsp cinnamon

I let it sit for one hour and then I applied it to my hair by simply dunking my hear and head in the bowl and massaging it carefully into the hair that wasn't wet yet. The only thing that sucked about that was the cinnamon ... the powder was rather rough.

Then I wrapped my hair up with saran wrap and put a towel over my shoulders. I left it on for about 2 hours. I washed it via CWWCing both my scalp and hair. After rinsing everything out with cold water, I rinsed my hair also with some strong chamomile tea.

Now my hair smells sooooo yummy! :flower:

I know that it's nearly impossible to see any results after just one treatment, but I'm still hoping that after my hair dries, I will see 'some' results.

Btw, I am not trying to lighten my hair - only to lighten my henna because I'm growing the color out. I've been hennaing my hair for a decade now and so it's going be a MAJOR change and I'm so excited! :cheese:

I'm planning to do two more treatments and we'll see where I'm going to go from there.

Any ideas or suggestions in regards to my recipe/application/removal? I'd greatly appreciate them!

:blossom:

MonaMayfair
June 9th, 2012, 09:34 AM
I just did my first honey lightening treatment! :disco:

My hair feels a little 'stiff' and it actually made a squeaky sound when I finger combed it :D, but it feels very very good. I put some almond oil onto the ends because they're always a little drier than the rest of my hair (but no splits).

Here is how I mixed the treatment:

3 tbsp honey
18 tbsp tap water
1 tbsp EVOO
1tbsp cinnamon

I let it sit for one hour and then I applied it to my hair by simply dunking my hear and head in the bowl and massaging it carefully into the hair that wasn't wet yet. The only thing that sucked about that was the cinnamon ... the powder was rather rough.

Then I wrapped my hair up with saran wrap and put a towel over my shoulders. I left it on for about 2 hours. I washed it via CWWCing both my scalp and hair. After rinsing everything out with cold water, I rinsed my hair also with some strong chamomile tea.

Now my hair smells sooooo yummy! :flower:

I know that it's nearly impossible to see any results after just one treatment, but I'm still hoping that after my hair dries, I will see 'some' results.

Btw, I am not trying to lighten my hair - only to lighten my henna because I'm growing the color out. I've been hennaing my hair for a decade now and so it's going be a MAJOR change and I'm so excited! :cheese:

I'm planning to do two more treatments and we'll see where I'm going to go from there.

Any ideas or suggestions in regards to my recipe/application/removal? I'd greatly appreciate them!

:blossom:

The only suggestion is that you don't need to leave it on for 2 hours, unless you want to. Ktani found that one hour was long enough to get a result. I did about 18 treatments I think, and saw a lot of lightening (trying to lighten henna, like you are!)
I didn't use cinnamon because I have a horribly sensitive scalp and I DID try EVOO (a tiny amount) once, but I had a hard time getting it to wash out, and I don't like oil in my hair anyway, so after that I just used filtered water.
Although my hair is now WAY lighter red, it's still red! In fact very bright coppery red!
I'm shedding a lot at the moment, but when it stops (I hope soon!) I'm intending to try a semi permanent to see if it will disguise the henna red. I'm looking at the ones with no peroxide or ammonia that don't last very long, because they're gentle on the hair. I'm actually craving dark hair at the moment - BUT I've got blonde roots and henna/cassia lengths. I'm wearing a lot of hats, lol!

Oh, I mean to say, I saw results after the second treatment of honey. Not exactly lighter, but somehow brighter and sort of sparkly! It definitely got lighter after that though. I think after around fourteen treatments it seemed to stay about the same level of lightening.

hennť
June 9th, 2012, 04:06 PM
Thanks Mona!

I have no issues with oil or with cinnamon - I did a sensitivity test on my arm before I put it on my scalp.

I have to say that so far my hair feels amazing - it has more volume than usually and has a soft cinnamon smell. And it's shiny as well. The only negative are my ends - they feel dry and do feel like they might have some residue on them. But I knew that could happen and I know it's not a permanent effect.

So far, I haven't seen any lightening, but it's so hard to say with my hair color :D I swear some days it looks lighter and some darker ...

lole18
July 9th, 2012, 06:19 PM
if i added 2 egg yolks to the honey and water will it affect it and stop it from getting lighter? is it ok to keep egg in hair for 5 hours? i really want it to become thick and strong and light because it fell lot u_u

littlestarface
July 13th, 2012, 09:45 AM
I did a honey treatment and my hair did lighten a shade:D its a pretty honeyish color in the sunlight,,I cant believe it. It was only the first treatment too. I cant wait for the second one:D

littlestarface
July 13th, 2012, 09:46 AM
double post

hennť
July 18th, 2012, 06:15 PM
So, it's been a little over a month and here I go again with the honey lightening - finally. This is my second application.

This time, I used 3tbsp honey and 270ml water and 1tbsp cinnamon. I mixed it up and let it sit for barely 20 minutes. My hair was already pre oiled with Amla/sesame hair oil that's been sitting in my hair for about 10 hours. I left the honey concoction on my hair and scalp for about 1hr. I S&C'ed it out and ended up rinsing my hair with some chamomile tea in the very end. Tomorrow (it's 2AM here, so actually today, haha) I will see if there has been any change. I hope for some as last time there hasn't been one ... maybe in the little baby hairs around my hairline, but not in the hennaed length.

A question ... when I was soaking my hair in the honey mixture, I noticed the water getting more and more dark orange - as if the henna was bleeding out ... is that even possible? Last time I hennaed my hair was about 3 months ago. I thought it strange.

Wish me good luck so that I can see more of a difference this time around :cheese:

kionkichin
July 19th, 2012, 11:37 AM
I did a honey treatment and my hair did lighten a shade:D its a pretty honeyish color in the sunlight,,I cant believe it. It was only the first treatment too. I cant wait for the second one:D

Thats great!!! What type of honey did you use an how much time did you let it in your hair? If you can please upload some photos! : )

littlestarface
July 19th, 2012, 11:52 AM
Thats great!!! What type of honey did you use an how much time did you let it in your hair? If you can please upload some photos! : )
I used clover honey from walmart and I left it in my hair for alittle over an hour only I left my hair soaking in the bowl of honey mixture.

I used honey/water/evoo/cinnamon/cardamon and it did lighten it some I see reddish brown in the indigoed parts now and before it was just a flat black. Also my roots are now very noticebly different then the rest of my hair its taking out alot of henna too. I have years and years of henna and its taking out layers of the stuff.

I also am doing go blonder shampoo and vitamin c treatments,also I did a tomato/honey/evoo/cardamon mix and I would have to say the tomato one had the most dramatic results. The shampoo is working but it makes my scalp sore.

AutumnJasmine
July 19th, 2012, 09:53 PM
I am going to be trying this method tonight. I am going to do this at night and I am going to do a lemon treatment in the day while I sunbathe.

AutumnJasmine
July 19th, 2012, 09:54 PM
I have the go blonder shampoo too but I haven't used it enough to see results. My hair is a light brown, and I am a little scared of brassiness/orange color. I have some of that purple shampoo just in case.

littlestarface
July 20th, 2012, 08:56 PM
I have the go blonder shampoo too but I haven't used it enough to see results. My hair is a light brown, and I am a little scared of brassiness/orange color. I have some of that purple shampoo just in case.
This shampoo is really effective when you use it with vitamin c tablets,,I see my hair in the sun and its a golden honey color,,its really pretty but thats just from the roots to my bottom of ears,,after that you see bright henna,,then black and red in the sun. But it is lifting it pretty good though,,just needs more treatments.

AutumnJasmine
July 20th, 2012, 10:53 PM
What do you do with vitamin C tablets? Crush it and dilute it?

littlestarface
July 21st, 2012, 10:47 AM
What do you do with vitamin C tablets? Crush it and dilute it?
i grind them up into powder using a little grinder then mix it with shampoo.

kellinaturalmom
July 21st, 2012, 04:50 PM
I have a question.... I know jarrah honey is the most recommended, getting the best results - but what is "2nd best"? I have looked at the list of recommended honeys but I would like an opinion from someone who has been involved in this honey business for a while and knows what they're talking about. :)

littlestarface
August 1st, 2012, 09:51 PM
Thats great!!! What type of honey did you use an how much time did you let it in your hair? If you can please upload some photos! : )
I have a photo now I can show you this is after doing john frieda go blonder with vit.C tablets, 2 honey treatments, 2 tomato sauce treatments and 2 lemon and sun treatments. its lighter now and this was with indigos and years and years of henna.
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3103/100qjk.jpg

and in the sun outside,,as you can see the henna is almost going.

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9195/105wke.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/105wke.jpg/)

akilina
August 1st, 2012, 11:19 PM
Hmmm... Tried honey lightening today. I hate to say this...but incredibly pointless :( I really wanted it to work. But NO way.
I get better "lightening" drenching my head in olive oil. After the olive oil my hair truly looked lighter. I definitely might try vitamin C lightening tomorrow hopefully.

lole18
August 4th, 2012, 05:37 PM
this is the color of my hair
http://www.google.com.sa/imgres?um=1...w=1440&bih=698

if i used honey once a week for 4 hours could i get it this light

http://www.google.com.sa/imgres?um=1...w=1440&bih=698

or this
http://www.google.com.sa/imgres?um=1...w=1440&bih=698

or this
http://www.google.com.sa/imgres?um=1...w=1440&bih=698

or a shade or two darker than the pictures.. or using something else natural doesnt have to be honey ? if i cant to what color can i get it lighter? show me a picture please :)

Henrietta
September 15th, 2012, 03:06 PM
That's why I love you, people. For 510 pages about using honey, when on Polish beauty site people "can't imagine putting honey on my head!" :D

moop
September 21st, 2012, 02:40 PM
Howdy.

This discussion board is a great resource, thank you for allowing me to join.

I've a question that has probably been addressed somewhere that I haven't yet found. Is there a search feature?

I was researching manuka honey and found this in the FAQ on honeynz.com:

What is the difference between ĎUMFí & ĎActiveí Manuka Honey?

Not all Manuka honey has UMF (Non peroxide) activity and we differentiate this by using the names UMF Manuka and Active Manuka Honey.

UMF Manuka Honey guarantees a Non Peroxide activity . This in turn is measured against a standard Phenol (antiseptic/anti bacterial) solution to gauge the relative strength of the Non Peroxide activity against Phenol. So, UMF 20+ guarantees antibacterial Non Peroxide Activity (UMF) level of 20+.

For example, Honey New Zealand's Active 20+ honey guarantees honey's total antibacterial activity level of 20+. This Total Activity is mostly from the Hydrogen Peroxide activity of honey (as opposed to the Non Peroxide Activity of UMF Honey).

Both Total (Active) and Non Peroxide (UMF) activities are tested by certified independent lab in New Zealand.

UMF is more stable over time, does not break down with heat, light or body enzymes and may even grow in strength over time.


In light of this information, is Active honey what I should order for honey lightening since it is "active" or is the UMF non peroxide better for the task? I'm unclear what "non peroxide activity" means - does it have peroxide in higher content that can is activated when the honey is used?

Does anyone have experience using manuka honey? If so, which brand and type, active or UMF? What level (10+, 15+, etc.)? What was your outcome? How many treatments did it take? Did you use ingredients other than honey and distilled water?

oh, also, has anyone used the Wedderspoon raw beechwood honey?

I plan to use only honey and dist. water so if anyone has advice it will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. :pumpkin:

btw, my hair is naturally medium brown with about 20% white and is mostly colored a light reddish brown/dark blonde that's growing out (damaged from conventional dye last used about 6 months ago). It's short - just below shoulders but not for lack of trying. It's fine, thinning (I'm 50) and looks scraggly when too long. It's also wavy 3a or b? and frizzy at top. ugh.

The objective is to lighten the brown a few shades then use a henna/cassia mix to color it for a light brown/dark blonde that's either a little coppery or a darker strawberry blonde....depending on what tone is left after honey lightening.

Sorry if tmi. :writer:

Anex
January 2nd, 2013, 10:12 AM
Forgive me for the stupid question. I have been reading a bit about this honey lightening method ever since hearing about it over in the henna thread and I haven't found the simple answer to my question. I dug around a bit in this thread too, checking the links and poking various pages, but 500 pages is quite a lot to go through so you'll forgive me for not reading EVERY SINGLE post.. :x

Basically, I want to know the quantity and how exactly it is applied. Is this something that is supposed to be soaking your hair (this is the impression I get)? In which case about how much would you guess it would take for someone between tailbone and classic length hair? I see ratios, but I'm not sure where to start.

My purpose is that I'm hoping to lighten my hennaed hair a bit. I'm quite familiar with the whole saran wrap and shower cap thing as that is how I do my henna, so I get the moisture part of things, I'm just not sure about the rest. Also should this be applied to wet or dry hair?

Regarding Distilled water in France (in case anyone living in France is wondering), you can't really get it at the pharmacy.. the pharmacists suggest Demineralized water because apparently it isn't too far off from Distilled chemically (which is what I'm going to try), you can find that in grand surface stores, however proper distilled water can be found in the auto sections of stores and garages, though I didn't find it at Intermarchť.

redsiren
January 2nd, 2013, 10:25 AM
On page one there are a few links to the most important pages.
You can find everything there is to know from there:)
Good luck an Good reading;)

Anex
January 2nd, 2013, 10:27 AM
I read all of page one.. I must be a pretty big failure. Even the application section didn't quite answer what I was looking for :/

redsiren
January 2nd, 2013, 10:37 AM
I think you're supposed to put it on dry hair and a large quantity, make sure your hair is completely wet with the honey treatment.
And you can apply it with a brush or an applicator bottle.
I reccomend you try an oil in your mix (olive or coconut) this is supposed to kick up the lightening a bit.
And I'm guessing demineralized water is fine.
And as to the quantity you need for your hair, it'll come down to trying it out, honey is not the most expensive thing in the world so just have fun with it, the result won't be dramatic anyway so no loss.
Just play around with it;)

Anex
January 3rd, 2013, 04:03 AM
Thanks, I will try it then. ♥ I'm really eager to see if it can lighten my henna even if everyone seems to like the color (all except me I guess lol).

redsiren
January 3rd, 2013, 08:40 AM
I guess so because, (i've said it before an I'll say it again;)) I love your colour:p

Anex
January 3rd, 2013, 09:35 AM
I guess so because, (i've said it before an I'll say it again;)) I love your colour:p

xD Thanks.

Well I just finished washing out my hair, I washed it like 3 times but I think that part of it feels still sticky. -sigh- It is still wet, so I have to wait and see what happens. I noticed that when I first started to rinse out my hair I saw some orangey water (it was brief and short lived).. I don't know if that means it worked or was the honey stuff rinsing out. We will see!

redsiren
January 3rd, 2013, 12:41 PM
Fingers crossed:)

Anex
January 4th, 2013, 03:09 AM
Well my hair still feels like it has crap in it (I swear I washed it 3 times with 3 different shampoos!) so it is looking pretty poor and a frizzy mess. Aside from that, I can't really tell any difference though there hasn't been good lighting either (no sun today, doesn't help).
I will probably have to take a picture similar to the one before to see if I spot a difference in the color that way. It may be my imagination, but my roots seem lighter (more blondish/gold than before). It was only the 1st time as well, so I'm not expecting any drastic changes either.

redsiren
January 4th, 2013, 03:53 AM
Too bad it was so hard to rinse out:(
I hope the residue will be gone the next time you wash...

Have you tried co washing? Maybe that will do the trick.

Anex
January 4th, 2013, 05:51 AM
Too bad it was so hard to rinse out:(
I hope the residue will be gone the next time you wash...

Have you tried co washing? Maybe that will do the trick.
It felt like it was ok in the shower, but outside of it, I can tell my hair feels kinda "crispy"

*looks up "co washing"*

redsiren
January 4th, 2013, 06:00 PM
To make it more complicated:) I do the curly girl co washing method

Anex
January 5th, 2013, 02:33 AM
I had to buy me some conditioner yesterday because usually I just use conditioning mask. I think it was my first non-silicone conditioner.. it felt.. weird. I think I got all the stuff out of my hair, but my hair doesn't feel as nice as it did before the honey thing.. I don't know why :(

Today there is no sun again so I see no change in my hair color.

redsiren
January 5th, 2013, 03:24 AM
I feel so bad for you:(
But honey doesn't damage your hair so, don't worry I'm sure that after a few washes it'll be fine:)
What was recepy?
Did you use oil?

Taika
January 5th, 2013, 04:38 AM
I have somewhat a blonette hair, used to be platinum blonde as a child. I did a a whole scale of colors in my 20' s and also straight henna for several years. Then I bleached it all away and toned my hair to make returning to my own color as painless as possible. Now I have not dyed or toned my hair for over a year, and it is blonette with a little hombre kind of effect.

I was wondering if I would do some honey-oliveoil treatments, but I'm wondering if it will lighten my own color so much that I'll get visible roots again. I would not mind it lightening a little, but I would not want to get roots in the future. I have roots also now, my own color lightened during the summer, so now I have darker roots, because it is winter.

But I also wonder if it would not matter, since my hair would lighten again in the summer anyways, so if it would lighten too much, I would be able to stop during the summer.

Anyway my question is : If you are a blonette and have done many honey treatments , lets say once o week for a while, did you get visible root growth?:knit:

Dovetail
January 5th, 2013, 11:09 AM
Taika, I'm thinking about doing a honey treatment when I get home tonight :3 do you want to be brave with me?
I'm thinking I might to a video. I will take some pictures of course if you want to wait and see how mine ends up.

I'm not going to add any extra oils or anything just out of worry that it might get TOO light. I am more blonde than blondette but my roots have darkened from being inside hibernating all winter.

redsiren
January 5th, 2013, 11:18 AM
I did a honey treatment this afternoon, I did two tbs of honey on 200 ml tap water, 1 tsp cinnamon and 1 tsp kardemom
Idk if it lightend my hair yet but my hair feels lovely looks shiny and it smells like cristmas:)
I just co washed once and that got it all out.
It looks like it got a bit of the brown out I was getting recently from hennaing.
So because that was what I was aiming for, I'm happy with my result:)

Dovetail
January 5th, 2013, 11:20 AM
Congrats on the good result siren! I'm thinking if this goes well I'll try other add-ins. but for my first time I want to be able to pin it down pretty well without other influences. Did you use a cone-free conditioner like they say or just regular? I have pantine ice shine, I wonder if that'll be ok?


eta: did you have dry hair first, then make it wet with the solution or did you shower first/wet the hair first then apply the honey?

redsiren
January 5th, 2013, 11:31 AM
I applied on dry hair in the tub because it's really runny and drippy ( be warned)and I use a really cheapo co. It has some cones but I never had any problems with buildup.
And after my co wash I use fructise co passion fruit for dry hair, it has no cones or paraben but it makes my hair really soft.

Dovetail
January 5th, 2013, 11:36 AM
If I don't CO wash my scalp (it gets greesey pretty quickly) should I use just water and scrub-a-dub or is shampooing ok? I would think shampoo would ruin the whole point. Hm.

redsiren
January 5th, 2013, 12:01 PM
Most use a clarifying shampoo. You could however dilute it if you don't want the moisture to 'wash away':)

Dovetail
January 5th, 2013, 12:03 PM
Hehe ^-^ I don't think I've ever been so excited to go home and take a shower. I'll post lots of pictures. Hopefully my husband is awake to take some good shots for me. Would a video be a good idea? or is that over-kill.

redsiren
January 5th, 2013, 12:09 PM
Do whatever makes you happy:)
I'll be awaiting your video then:D

Taika
January 7th, 2013, 02:25 AM
Dovetail: I did it... mixed honey,oliveoil and a bit of water, left it on for about an hour :) My hair is shinier, but I would not say that it is lighter. But the most amazing thing is that I have had a broblem with my scalp lately, it has been very dry, almost flakely like---- But it is no more!!! :joy:

The solution was pretty running, but I applied it to dry hair, so it was not dripping too much. I used a plastic bag and a towel to keep it warm and in place.

Anex
January 7th, 2013, 04:39 AM
I feel so bad for you:(
But honey doesn't damage your hair so, don't worry I'm sure that after a few washes it'll be fine:)
What was recepy?
Did you use oil?

Honey + demineralized water and a tiny bit of cinnamon (mostly for smell). I totally meant to use some argan oil I have but forgot -_-

The conditioner has coconut oil in it at least.

But yeah it doesn't seem like it did much of anything, Im half tempted to try the vitamin C thing, but I need to henna my roots this weekend. So honey or vitamin C, I will wait a couple of weeks.

redsiren
January 7th, 2013, 10:54 AM
You can combine the two:)
At least I think I read that somewhere:/
How is your hair doing?
I meant to pm you but then I saw your reply here:)

Mischamiu
January 14th, 2013, 08:57 AM
Hey everyone! I think I definitely belong in this thread. I just did a honey highlighting yesterday I bought a cheap honey blend and some water from the gas station because I didn't find any in the pharmacy, I also added a bit of cinnamon. My hair feels like usual and I can't see any big changes yet but I'm planning on keeping up with the treatment. I'll definitely post some before and after pictures... hope it will work :D

Kome
February 16th, 2013, 12:55 PM
Okay. I did this for the first time last night. I have henna'd waaaaay too many time. I thought it would be nice to have a dark auburn color to match my brown roots that came out. It's pretty, but I prefer a sassier red and I miss having bright red hair. Last night I mixed together honey, extra virgin olive oil, distilled water, and cardamom. This thread has been very helpful. My hair smells great and it's not damaged like it would have been if I'd used lemon juice (which I thought about). Also realizing I should probably stop using lemon juice when mixing my henna and try distilled water instead. Lemon juice works great, but it dries my hair out a bit.

I only rinsed mine out, so my hair is still pretty greasy, but it's a good greasy! I'm going to shampoo and condition it before I go out tonight. I am hoping to see a difference after a couple more treatments, which I plan to do each week. :) Thanks so much for this thread!!!

rainfortheend
March 24th, 2013, 12:11 PM
I use a good glob of honey in my green tea with lemon rinses... do you think about a teaspoon of honey and lemon every two days would lighten my hair?

Mandie
March 25th, 2013, 09:15 PM
So I read that it won't hurt your hair to leave the treatment on for a while...will it lighten it more dramatically as more time passes or is there a limit? Has anyone noticed? I am about to pass out from my cough medicine but I'm wondering about whipping up a treatment and then just sleeping with it in to see if I can lighten my hair some. I dyed and don't love the colour I came out with so I'd like to step it down and see if I like it lighter and if not I'll be redying so I would like to lighten it as much as I can without bleach (the dye is already hurting it enough I would rather avoid bleach damage too!). Has anyone tried sleeping in it? Did the honey do more or is 1hr about how long it'll really do anything?


ETA: I wound up trying it out tonight, a day later...definitely understand the need for a swim cap, since it's basically just water! I wonder how it works so heavily diluted. I kept rereading the recipe thinking I'd misread it. The mistake I made was adding cinnamon. I either added too much or my hair just hated it. My hair is super tangley now and my shower looks like a cinnamon murder scene :scared: I had SUCH a hard time getting it out of my hair I'm not sure if it's even out yet. No more cinnamon for me!

honeydew28
July 25th, 2013, 08:22 PM
starting my 3rd treatment tonight. no results yet but im hoping i see some within 15 treatments.

louzen
August 5th, 2013, 05:31 AM
Hi, I'm new to this thread, so apologies if this had already been discussed.

Will honey lightening only work with raw honey? I read something about this once, that the pasteurization process kills the enzymes and hydrogen peroxide.

louzen
August 9th, 2013, 08:41 AM
I've been experimenting with raw honey on my eyebrows. Only applied twice, but can't really see difference yet!

Vrindi
August 9th, 2013, 10:17 AM
I used raw honey from a bear bottle, so it's "rawness" is questionable. I did get some results. My blond streaks came out lighter, and the darker parts of my hair were shinier. I'm trying to use up this bottle so I can get some real raw honey though.

jillosity
August 10th, 2013, 05:12 PM
The wax and propolis in truly raw honey might interfere with the mix overall, I'd never waste good raw honey on my hair, I'd eat it!

A little warning: I used this treatment 3 times last year trying to lighten indigo henna black bands and I had a truly terrifying shed on my 2nd app. and it was even worse on my 3rd. I of course haven't done it again. Tons of hair lost and no discernible difference in color, I'm thinking now that a quick soap cap bleaching might be less damaging!

Be mindful of shed rates, it should be easy to shampoo out, possibly it's a good candidate to to an initial co-wash just to soften things up, it would also get out the cinnamon for those who went that route.

Crumpet
August 13th, 2013, 08:20 PM
I've done two treatments of honey with a little bit of coconut oil and tap water (using the basic recipe quantities). There MAY be a slight lightening...there may not. In any event, my hair seems to love the treatment, so I'll stick with it. I bought some distilled water tonight so I can actually make it properly, which may help.

Crumpet
September 20th, 2013, 11:02 AM
By Jove I think its working!

I've been doing somewhat lazy honey lightening treatments for a while now and I think my hair is actually lighter. Its not dramatic, but it is a bit brighter and looks very natural, which is exactly what I wanted.

shalindra
September 26th, 2013, 02:15 PM
I have tried the honey lightening recipe today, as posted in the first of the thread. I used the big bear bottle of honey from Kroger (2tbsp) distilled RO water(3/4 cp) and a tsp of cinnamon. I set the water out for a bit to get it room temp(use reverse osmosis water for drinking and cooking so it was in the frig) then I added the honey and cinn, mixed it up really good and put it in a sally's applicator bottle , This worked pretty good. Soaked down the roots and upper part of my hair( 10 month growth of virgin hair) and then soaked the rest of the length, pilled it on top of my head and through the waterfall ;) wrapped seran wrap tightly around my head, pushed it up above my eyes and I think the wrinkle of wrap helped it not to run in my face... yes my shirt was soaked by the end of the hour but ok :) Pretreatment I used a scant bit of baking soda and scrubbed my scalp just to make sure no oils were built up (horrible experiment yesterday with homemade cream and honey shampoo, way too oily for my thin hair i guess) then rinsed well and after treatment I rinsed with water then followed up with my regular vinegar rinse 1 cup vinegar and 4 cups water strength.
Hair feels amazing, no crunchy ends although it was a bit tangly to comb out. No bad reaction to the cinnamon but then I did not scrub my scalp with the lightener just worked it through as I would any dye product.
I do have a question tho, I do not use shampoo ever on my hair, generally just a scant amount of baking soda to wash my scalp then I rinse with water folowing up with the vinegar rinse. As the honey is not a dye or colorant, should this practice continue to be ok?

Not much of a color change that I can tell today, but I think it may have brought out highlights up to so evening out the tone some :)

Crumpet
September 27th, 2013, 03:35 PM
I can't see your washing practices being problematic with the honey. My hair loves honey so its always happy after these treatments. I think mine worked subtly after quite a few rounds. I'm content with it as I don't want any dramatic lightening

ku4kata
October 9th, 2013, 02:50 PM
can this recepy be used for lightening of facial hair?
if it is used, would that make hair longer or there won't be any unwanted side-effects?
thank you very much!

Almendra
October 16th, 2013, 05:59 PM
Hi! Tonight I'm going to do my fourth treatment. My natural hair is almost black but the major part of it is dye. Also, I had a soft bleach once, this must be in the middle of my hair yet. Anyway, the color is similar all over my hair, but obviously not in my roots. The honey lightening isn't working in my natural hair (or maybe I can see the difference yet). I know that the color I want to achieve is almost imposible with honey but, what is your experience in dark hair?

I know that eventually I'll dye my roots, but also continue the honey lightening. The last time I dye my hair I use a extreme blonde color in my length and a cupper color in my roots. The color was the same all over. Only changed in the roots. I don't know why the dye doesn't penetrate my hair anymore, but I suppose that it could be a because I have a to much damage at the end of my hair.

Weewah
December 27th, 2013, 12:19 AM
Ok so I've been doing this wrong the first 3 times. I've been doing half honey and half coconut oil, and some cinnamon. I thought since I didn't have distilled water I could just leave it out and the oil would do the same
thing. Id just smear it on my head and it was so hard to wash out. I found the recipe on a website from doing a Google search


Thankgoodness I decided to read through this thread. Tonight I'm using 1 part honey(ys eco bee farms raw honey from vitacost) and 6 parts water that I distilled at home. I also added some coconut oil but left out the cinnamon this time because I don't know if it'll clog my spray bottle.

Im letting the mixture develop right now and I'm excited to see if I notice a positive difference:)

Cederin
January 4th, 2014, 04:16 AM
I'm trying this out for the first time today! My hair is medium brown right now, after having highlights on dark brown recently.
Currently my batch is developing, so I don't have any results yet, but I'll post that later.

My recÔpe:
- 1 tablespoon of Honey: a blend of honey collected from sunflower, wild eucalyptus and orange flowers. (The one I had at home)
- 6 tablespoons of distilled water
- 1 tablespoon of ground cardamom
- Half a tablespoon of virgin coconut oil

I will apply the mixture with a hair dying brush (the ones hairdressers use), then cover it with a plastic bag + shower cap
+ eventually some more securement depending on how much it drips :o

Cederin
January 5th, 2014, 05:34 AM
All right, here are my results (both pictures daylight, about same time of the day)
Maybe I'm not a medium brown, more like light brown maybe? Anyway;

http://i42.tinypic.com/6gfsdz.png

I had it on for 2 hours, I think that one problem was that I didn't get the coverage secure enough so my hair was only damp when I removed it.
Anyway, I'm still kind of happy with the results. I think you can see a slight change, maybe it's a more even color? More highlights?
Also, my hair is in super condition after the treatment. I CO-washed it out without any residues and got a super-soft-shiny result!
The after picture may be a bit dull since it's the morning after ;)

Weewah
January 24th, 2014, 11:36 AM
Unfortunately I'm going to have to stop doing honey treatments :( After a month of doing it(7 times) with the correct recipe, with and without cinnamon, leaving for longer time, etc. I really don't see any difference. Another reason I'm stopping is it leaves a residue in my hair and I always have to end up clarifying 1 or 2 times to get it out. I'm really trying to be gentle on my hair by co-washing, and needing to use a clarifying shampoo once or twice a week is no bueno. I'm just gonna have to love my natural color if I ever want to be a beautiful longhair. :pegasus:

meteor
January 24th, 2014, 12:56 PM
Weewah, I experienced the same.
Don't forget about hygral fatigue from marinating hair in water for hours.
Plus, it's just way too time-consuming, messy (sugary water drips all over clothes and attracts all sort of stuff to hair) and overall unpleasant in winter-time, when I don't like to keep hair wet and experience too much humectant action from honey.
I might reconsider it in summer-time, when honey works better for me and sitting with wet hair is less daunting.

meteor
January 24th, 2014, 12:57 PM
Sorry, double post. :)

Lydialove
March 2nd, 2014, 04:24 PM
My henna reached absolute saturation the last time I did it (it had been a few months and I did the whole head because I love how shiny it makes my hair) and I realized that I miss having some fire to my color. I've been doing henna for a couple of years - trying to keep with root touch ups... but sometimes it's just easier to fill all the hair with henna and kind of smoosh it in. The burgundy is pretty but not really what I want. I read almost the entire thread (whew!) and decided to give honey lightening a try. Yesterday was my first.

I used Ktani's updated recommendations - 1/8 cup dark blend honey (safeway brand) in 3/4 cup distilled water plus 2 tablespoons ground cardamom. I let it sit at room temperature for an hour, poured it over my head (into a bowl so I could continue to re-pour until nicely saturated). I put a shower cap over it and then put a turban over it and let sit for a hour.

My only complaint is that washing out the ground cardamom was sort of irritating - it just took a while. On the other hand, sitting for an hour with wet ground cardamom in my hair resulted in my hair smelling strongly like delicious cookies for the rest of the night.

When my hair dried last night, I could immediately see some brightening of the red in the hair framing my face - on the length in back it was harder to tell. I had to say that it was subtle, if any. It's certainly difficult to tell in my bathroom, since the lighting is sort of crappy.

Second honey treatment today - exact same treatment except I strained out all the little cardamom chunks. Rinsing was much easier that way... but the downside is that my hair is much less perfumed by the cardamom. It's a trade-off. Next time I may go ahead with the more difficult rinse so my hair will smell that nice again.

Today I can absolutely tell it's lighter. The hair around my face is a much brighter red and while the lighting is still challenging in the bathroom, I can see it. In natural light my husband says that, yes, my hair is much more red and less burgundy. This fills me with delight. Also, the honey has made my hair very fluffy and shiny. Nice!

I'm going to try and wait a couple of days, just to give my hair a break from being saturated with water and honey and do at least one, maybe two more treatments. I am super exited that this is working!

Sorry I didn't take any pictures! I really should have, but didn't think about it until my head was already soaking wet. Oops!

divinedobbie
March 13th, 2014, 08:55 PM
I've done three honey treatments so far with 2 tbsp honey (dark amber clover) and 12 tbsp water, 1 tbsp cinnamon. I let it sit for an hour and then put it on my hair for 2 hours, covered in a plastic hair cap and wrapped in a towel; making sure it's wet the whole time. I haven't noticed any results at all, but I think I might know why. When ktani said "distilled water" my immediate reaction was not to use tap water and instead I used my filtered (reverse osmosis I think?) water that I buy for drinking. Now that I've really inspected my process to see what's going wrong, I've realized my filtered water probably still has minerals or something that's messing with the honey, since it's really not "distilled".

Larki
March 13th, 2014, 10:11 PM
^Probably, distilled water is literally JUST water, no minerals at all. You can actually make it at home, if you don't want to buy it.

Lydialove
March 14th, 2014, 12:36 PM
That could very well be it. Her suggested recipe is pretty specific.

Did you get any benefits? Shiny hair?

Teeny
April 17th, 2014, 04:38 PM
I recently tried honey lightening. I did four or five treatments over the course of two and a half weeks. I used the recommended honey that comes in the bear-shaped bottle, tap water, and cardamom in the recommended dilution.

The first time I did it, I only washed it out with Suave Naturals conditioner. I"m a conditioner-only washer, usually. I found my hair was sort of sticky and tangling after, so I did another honey treatment the next day I washed, and I washed my hair with shampoo. I followed the next one or two honey treatments with shampoo.

For the most recent honey treatment, I tried to wash it out with conditioner again. I realized it hadn't worked, that my hair was still tangling. I washed my hair again with shampoo. I tried to make sure I worked the shampoo through well so I would have no honey residue left. I've been following all shampooing's up with conditioner, as well as leaving some conditioner in my hair and using a light amount of coconut oil every few days.

Despite my most recent washing with a shampoo, my hair is still tangling. When I run my fingers gently through my hair, I can feel hair pulling and tangling.

Is it possible I would need to shampoo more than once to get rid of the honey residue? I would appreciate if someone could let me know if I did something wrong. I'm very worried about the current state of my hair. I can't even gently braid it without feeling hairs pull and maybe snap. :(

Teeny
April 17th, 2014, 04:39 PM
I recently tried honey lightening. I did four or five treatments over the course of two and a half weeks. I used the recommended honey that comes in the bear-shaped bottle, tap water, and cardamom in the recommended dilution.

The first time I did it, I only washed it out with Suave Naturals conditioner. I"m a conditioner-only washer, usually. I found my hair was sort of sticky and tangling after, so I did another honey treatment the next day I washed, and I washed my hair with shampoo. I followed the next one or two honey treatments with shampoo.

For the most recent honey treatment, I tried to wash it out with conditioner again. I realized it hadn't worked, that my hair was still tangling. I washed my hair again with shampoo. I tried to make sure I worked the shampoo through well so I would have no honey residue left. I've been following all shampooing's up with conditioner, as well as leaving some conditioner in my hair and using a light amount of coconut oil every few days.

Despite my most recent washing with a shampoo, my hair is still tangling. When I run my fingers gently through my hair, I can feel hair pulling and tangling.

Is it possible I would need to shampoo more than once to get rid of the honey residue? I would appreciate if someone could let me know if I did something wrong. I'm very worried about the current state of my hair. I can't even gently braid it without feeling hairs pull and maybe snap. :(

lapushka
April 17th, 2014, 04:50 PM
I recently tried honey lightening. I did four or five treatments over the course of two and a half weeks. I used the recommended honey that comes in the bear-shaped bottle, tap water, and cardamom in the recommended dilution.

That's a lot of honey lightening over the course of... not a lot of time. I'd give your hair a break if I were you. I think one treatment every few weeks will be more than sufficient.

Gesner
April 28th, 2014, 08:00 AM
OK, I haven't read the whole thread, (Whew! LOL), but I have tried to follow all of the suggested links. I still have three questions -- and I'm 99% sure that these have been asked and answered before, but I did not see them:

1. I have an unexpected half day to devote to this. Can I leave it on longer than one hour? Does longer = better lightening? Of these two options, which would you recommend: 1. make a double batch and rinse and reapply later today or 2. leave a single batch on for two hours?

2. I have hip length thick hair -- any ideas on how much I should mix? I was thinking of using 1/2 cup honey and 3 cups water. Would that work out to one or two applications for me? I had one of the recommended honeys in my cabinet already so it's not like I'll be out any $$ if I have to throw away the extra, but I hate to be wasteful.

3. Should I use cinnamon, caramom, and EVOO, which I have on hand, or should I leave them out? Is there a link that discusses what effects they have?

Background on my specific situation:

I have never colored or treated my hair -- I am a coloring noob! So please pardon my ignorance!

I am a dark brunette and I have always loved my color just as it is. However, I know that I am going to start to go gray and I don't want to cover the gray or treat my hair harshly. So I think that I would like to lighten it some over time so that my incoming gray blends a little bit better. I wouldn't mind bringing out some more red in it if possible, but the overall goal is to lighten it towards light brown or even dark blonde so that the gray blends in. I don't have much gray other than at my temples right now, but it is starting to come faster so I think if I start now I might get ahead of the curve.

Thanks for any help you guys can give!

BeccaAngel
June 14th, 2014, 05:30 PM
Did an hour of honey setting with olive oil then soaked it in my hair. allowed the sun to shine on it for about 20 minutes. After that, let it set for 40 more minutes while being covered. then washed it out! i just used like a cup of honey and half a cup of olive oil, mixed it together and let it set before putting it in my hair. i didnt use any water at all. I love my hair being lighter now here is the results.

http://i747.photobucket.com/albums/xx114/annalevion/ApriltoJuneLength_zps1374ab59.jpg (http://s747.photobucket.com/user/annalevion/media/ApriltoJuneLength_zps1374ab59.jpg.html)

thiamine
June 15th, 2014, 10:56 AM
WOW Your results are amazing, Becca! I'll have to try your recipe tomorrow. Thank you for sharing!

twobluestripes
June 17th, 2014, 02:36 AM
Trying honey as a lightener for the first time... I do not have any distilled water on hand, so I made a bit on the stove. I wasn't able to make much, and I have a lot of hair... So with the 1:4 honey/water weight ratio, I don't think I'll have enough to coat my hair. I just poured honey into the bowl until I had enough that would coat my hair, and I used a lot more honey than the ratio calls for, I think! Have many people tried more honey than 1:4?
I also threw in quite a bit of coconut oil and ground cinnamon. It smells so delicious that I want to taste it. If I don't get much lightening, I will at least get the benefit of the coconut oil mast that I usually do about once a month, plus moisture retention from the honey, I guess!

twobluestripes
June 17th, 2014, 02:36 AM
Trying honey as a lightener for the first time... I do not have any distilled water on hand, so I made a bit on the stove. I wasn't able to make much, and I have a lot of hair... So with the 1:4 honey/water weight ratio, I don't think I'll have enough to coat my hair. I just poured honey into the bowl until I had enough that would coat my hair, and I used a lot more honey than the ratio calls for, I think! Have many people tried more honey than 1:4?
I also threw in quite a bit of coconut oil and ground cinnamon. It smells so delicious that I want to taste it. If I don't get much lightening, I will at least get the benefit of the coconut oil mast that I usually do about once a month, plus moisture retention from the honey, I guess!

twobluestripes
June 17th, 2014, 02:50 AM
So sorry for the double post. Why can I not find the edit button?

meteor
June 17th, 2014, 09:24 AM
So sorry for the double post. Why can I not find the edit button?

I think you need 25 posts (or something like that) before you can edit posts on the forum. Don't worry about it, double posts often happen on the LHC. :)

thiamine
June 18th, 2014, 11:44 AM
I've done 5 treatments over the course of 2 months and nothing seems to be working! I've tried cinnamon once, cardamom once, 3 different honeys (one of which is the jarrah honey everyone has been raving about for the peroxide content) and I've got zip for results. Read through countless of pages on here, followed everything in this forum to a T, and my hair is being so stubborn. So bummed right now :(

Akville
July 27th, 2014, 09:48 AM
Hi!

what happens if I have 1:1 honey and water should it be exactly 1:4??

I mean if its honey that makes peroxide the more honey the better results or???

StellaKatherine
July 27th, 2014, 10:10 AM
I am kinda thinking of trying this. I do have some golden highlights in my hair ( my sister future hairdresser insisted in putting some in my hair last winter :) ). I think it is worth to see if can lighten or at least add more shiny to it.

meteor
July 28th, 2014, 02:57 PM
Yay, StellaKatherine! Good call! I did honey lightening at my early stages of growing out highlights and it helped brighten up the highlights that were already there (works a bit like a mild toner or a clarifying shampoo on blonde hair) - makes the highlights pop more. But it got too messy and time-consuming to keep up. It's safe enough to try.

Akville
July 29th, 2014, 10:02 AM
Hi!

what happens if I have 1:1 honey and water should it be exactly 1:4??

I mean if its honey that makes peroxide the more honey the better results or???


Please anyone? nobody? :(

leilani
July 29th, 2014, 11:45 AM
I tried it four or so times, with cinnamon and Olive oil and overnight and I never saw a thing. definitely doesn't work for everyone.

Nicci
August 10th, 2014, 11:47 PM
I do not have distilled water, but i have a water softener... will that work? for the honey and water?

Rosetta
August 11th, 2014, 03:12 AM
Hi!

what happens if I have 1:1 honey and water should it be exactly 1:4??

I mean if its honey that makes peroxide the more honey the better results or???
I'd also be interested to know an answer to this, especially as with the 1:4 ratio the mixture is way too drippy to be at all manageable, I've found...

ExpectoPatronum
September 26th, 2014, 12:02 AM
I'm thinking about giving this a try. I have some dark dye in my hair and I want it lightened a bit. I tried lemon juice and chamomile tea today, and while I knew I wasn't going to see a difference after only one use, I'm not too fond of dryness from the lemon. While it was nothing my conditioner couldn't fix and my hair is very shiny, I can't help but feel like lemon juice would be damaging. Honey seems gentler. I'm thinking I'll stick to the basic recipe. I plan on doing this once a week. I'll be sure to post pictures as I do it.

Would filtered tap water to be okay to use in place of distilled? I'd rather not have to buy things, but if I have to I will.

Lilelfen1
September 26th, 2014, 06:52 AM
Hi.

I've tried this recipe:
Hair with Multiple Layers of Henna
These recipes have been slightly altered to remove additions that proved irrelevant to the recipes working.
1. The Recipe: 1 cup tomato (pasta) sauce, 1/2 cup honey, 1/2 cup extra virgin olive oil (EVOO)
The Method: Mix and apply to wet hair, cover with a plastic bag or wrap, and leave on the hair for a minimum of 1 hour, rinse, shampoo and use a mild vinegar rinse to follow.
In this recipe, honey, tomato, and extra virgin olive oil all contain peroxide This was the first recipe to significantly lighten multiple layers of henna.

I've done the treatment 3 times (about once a week) on my hennaed/indigoed/chemiceal treated (dyed and bleached) hair now, and I'm really happy with the results. I am growing out my natural colour, and have tried several things the last 6 months to get rid of the henna/indigo colour. Nothing works as far as to totally remove the colour, the bleach made my hair multicoloured so I had to recolour my hair. And cut a lot of it off!

But, this treatment has lightend the colour a lot, the red/orange colour is not glowing like it used to and the indigo is slowly starting to let go.
I am going to continue to use this treatment (or one of the others) on a weekly basis, will report back later.:)
This sounds awesome!! Thank you for sharing, Liv. I did not know that about tomato or olive oil. I think I may give this a try. Sounds far less drippy than just the honey. Will post results.

ExpectoPatronum
September 29th, 2014, 03:10 PM
I'm getting excited. I have my mixture sitting right now. I ended up just going ahead with the filtered water, figuring if it didn't work there was no harm in it.

I took my before pictures already in a couple different lights just in case the lighting changes between now and a couple hours (I live on the coast, so it could be sunny one minute and cloudy the next).

I really hope this treatment will take the darkness of my dyed length down a level or two. I know it won't happen after one treatment but that is what I hope for after a few treatments.

For the record, I'm using some locally produced honey my flatmate got at the farmer's market. It's blackberry honey.

I plan on spritzing it in my hair and keeping it in a shower cap for at least an hour. Ideally I would like to go two hours but I read this can drip a lot so we'll see how that goes. I get very annoyed with drips very easily. I shall report back with my results!

ETA: Photobucket is not cooperating with me at the moment. But basically, I had some positive results.

I spritzed the mixture on my hair and let it sit for an hour, spritzing it once more halfway through to ensure it was still wet (it was). One tablespoon of honey to six tablespoons of water was actually the perfect amount for my hair. I used this on the length, pretty much three inches from my scalp down as those were the parts with the darker dye. I avoided getting it near my lighter growth, but I wasn't exactly precise. It washed out easily enough with my toadstool shampoo. My hair feels good, but it's just really poofy which is normal any time I do something with honey.

Unfortunately, you can't really see a color change in some lights yet. However, I really noticed a difference outside. My hair still looks dark, but there are more highlights to it and it blends better with my roots. Even under my CFLs in my bedroom, I can see a subtle change in the darkness of my hair. I will probably do a treatment again next week. If I have the money, I'll buy distilled water to try it with too, though I did have decent results just using Brita filtered tap water.

Vea
October 11th, 2014, 03:02 PM
I'm sorry if this has been answered before, but would crystallized honey work for this? It's the only one I have right now...

allycat
October 12th, 2014, 02:53 PM
I've used it, Vea. It melts to liquid when you heat it.

meteor
October 12th, 2014, 03:30 PM
I'm sorry if this has been answered before, but would crystallized honey work for this? It's the only one I have right now...

Yes, just dilute it in water and stir well. :)
If your plan is to lighten hair, then crystallized honey should not be heated, because heat kills the tiny amount of peroxide in honey that can lighten hair.

allycat
October 12th, 2014, 03:38 PM
Oops, that's right, meteor! I was thinking of when I melt it to use in my SMT.

meteor
October 12th, 2014, 03:44 PM
No problem at all, allycat! :) And I always prefer warm SMT too. ;)

Vea
October 12th, 2014, 05:17 PM
Thank you very much. I will try it the next time I wash my hair, and we'll see the results.

Vea
October 21st, 2014, 04:57 PM
After my first treatment, there are no visible results at all. However, I'm going to do it again and I really hope I get some lightening.

pixicat
November 15th, 2014, 07:06 AM
Hi, I'm going to try the honey lightening but my hair is brown. I henndigoed my hair but I don't like it. It darkened my hair and I want to remove it from my hair. I tried olive oil (it didn't work) and amla with lemom juice. This mix lightened my henndigo a little. Will honey work for me? Thank you!

pixicat
November 20th, 2014, 06:13 AM
I applied the mix right now, didn't took any photos because I think it won't do nothing over my brown hair. What is the best way to apply it? I put my entire head over a bowl :rolleyes:

yahirwaO.o
November 25th, 2014, 04:17 PM
Strange I havent got any lightning effect in my really natural dark hair and Ive been making honey rinses for about 2 months and my hair is just the same colour.... however...


It does make my hair extremely soft and shiny and it helped like a miracle with a little injury I had...... it also helped me a lot with shedding.

I can give up regular shampoo, conditioner, vinegar rinses and some herbs but Honey is going to be with me in every hair wash from here until I die lol!!! And it also tastes like heaven!!!

allycat
November 25th, 2014, 06:47 PM
That sounds great, yahirwaO.o. How do you use it?

yahirwaO.o
November 26th, 2014, 08:32 PM
That sounds great, yahirwaO.o. How do you use it?

It depends, on days when I wash with shampoo I only do a rinse after shampooin with just a table spoon of honey and plain water, then a final rinse with water.
When I egg wash sometimes it goes in conjunction with the yolk and leave it for as long as I can and other times I do a rinse with vinegar mixed with honey. Final rinse again

All these ways work awesome for me

I make sure that it dissolves well in order to mix it well and to get the best quality I can get. :eek:
.

fisaah
November 28th, 2014, 04:04 PM
Hi,

I have been trying to find the answer to this question but I don't know if this has been addressed yet... Is lightening your hair with honey permanent in any sort of way?

I ask because well I sat with honey in my hair for a while a long time ago then after washing it off my hair basically looked blond in the sunlight! And I freaked out because it looked too light for me. But then over the next few days, it just faded away! (I didn't wash my hair during that time). But anyway basically now I have my natural color back and my hair has grown since then and there are no signs that I had ever lightened my hair (my roots at the same color as the rest of my hair). Sooo anyway, is this just me or has this happened to anyone else?

fisaah
November 28th, 2014, 04:06 PM
Oh and I just did this for an hour or two and only one time. I didn't repeat the process again.

Aurora.Angie
December 9th, 2014, 08:10 PM
Ktani , Do i use cardamom powder, honey Jarrah , coconut oil and distilled water for me to conquer light brown or dark blonde?

My hair is dark brown and I want to let it brown, and it takes a little discolor hair , I think. And then leave for Henna with Indigo .

My hair
https://scontent-a- mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0- 9/10710873_701136186632038_5283324676762486144_n.jpg ?oh=6ecfbcc7aa9caeb1797917bc4eba1d8c&oe=5514F2D5

The hair color I want

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=2963&page=493

Kendrix
January 1st, 2015, 05:28 PM
I'm going for it! First time trying honey lightening on virgin hair. It's a light ash brown. I hope this works because I want my hair to be lighter and shinier.

Petrichos
January 13th, 2015, 06:38 PM
I have a good bit of roots leading into hair that is slightly lighter from using sun in a few summers ago. I've been thinking about using honey on my roots. Think it will match up? I'm scared of lightening parts of hair that are already light and making it look weird :/

prettyinpink
January 14th, 2015, 08:27 PM
I read that pasturized honey works as well as raw..does that mean the honey from the plain old honey bears?

Zebra Fish
January 17th, 2015, 06:56 AM
Hi!

what happens if I have 1:1 honey and water should it be exactly 1:4??

I mean if its honey that makes peroxide the more honey the better results or???

As far as I can see, still no answer to this? (or I'm just blind? :p)

Wanted to bump it, as I'm interested in the answer too :)

meteor
January 17th, 2015, 12:13 PM
Hi!

what happens if I have 1:1 honey and water should it be exactly 1:4??

I mean if its honey that makes peroxide the more honey the better results or???


As far as I can see, still no answer to this? (or I'm just blind? :p)

Wanted to bump it, as I'm interested in the answer too :)


It looks like lots of things can make honey lightening less effective, e.g. pH and minerals in water, and the process is so painstaking, tedious and long anyway, that I would stick to the recommended dilutions and the successful honeys list (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=148&page=86&p=119128#post119128), plus honey lightening boosters (EVOO, cardamom, etc listed below). But I'd love to see other people's results if they are experimenting with different dilutions! :D


Honey lightening is so much simpler now.

And the reported results have been so much better than with previous recipes.

Now it is just honey, distilled water (unless your tap water is mineral free and pH 7) and the choice of added peroxide boosters (ground cardamom, ground cinnamon, coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil). Everything should be used at room temperature only, with no added heat (body heat is the exception to no heat). Here are pictures (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=245992&postcount=2043) of just honey and water results.

The new dilution is the key to a successful recipe, IMO. 1/8 cup honey (2 tablespoons) needs 3/4 cup distilled water US, (1/2 cup Metric). 1/8 cup honey weighs 1.5 oz x 4 = 6 oz = 12 tablespoons distilled water needed, or x amount of honey to 4 times the amount of distilled water by weight. Here (http://www.traditionaloven.com/conversions_of_measures/honey_measurements.html) is a conversion link. Or you can just use tablespoons. 1 tablespoon of honey to 6 tablespoons of distilled water, 2 to 12 etc.

Here are pictures (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=227548&postcount=1906) of results with the new dilution.

A treatment can be left to sit for 1 hour in advance of application, to produce peroxide (recommended), or used right away if you are in a hurry and it will produce peroxide while on the hair.

The recipes can be applied with a tint, blush or pastry brush, and/or a spray or squirt bottle, then the hair needs to be securely covered with plastic (wearing a swim cap is recommended) and the treatment left on the hair for about an hour. Also recommened, is to use saran wrap under a lycra swim cap. It does not squeeze out too much water and the treatment does not drip as much with this method. The hair must be completely wet with the treatment both before being covered and during the time that a treatment is on the hair.

With a good peroxide producing honey, the right dilution and method, that is all there is to it. Here is The Successful Honeys List. (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=119128&postcount=856itamin)

ETA: If too much of a recipe is made it can be stored for a day or so but I would not go much beyond keeping it 24 hours in the fridge, not because it can go off but because the peroxide level of a recipe can peak and then decline. That varies with the honey.




Honey lightening boosters

Honey lightening boosters are; ground (powdered) cardamom, ground cinnamon, coconut oil and extra virgin olive oil (EVOO).
Each one has a peroxide value that can contribute to the peroxide value of a recipe.

EVOO has a higher peroxide value than coconut oil. Suggested recipe amounts for the oils are 1 tablespoon or less in total, per treatment.

Each spice has a higher peroxide value than either oil. Both spices can be sensitizers. Patch test before using. Suggested recipe amounts for the spices are 1 - 2 tablespoons in total, per treatment.

Cardamom has a higher peroxide value than ground cinnamon and has been reported to wash out of the hair easier than ground cinnamon. There is a cinnamon caution. http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=300323&postcount=2382

None of the boosters has a higher peroxide value than most honeys. (It depends on the honey though. Some honeys produce very little peroxide.)

Lizard
January 30th, 2015, 06:44 AM
Wow, this is an impressively long thread and of course i have not read it all :)
I am trying to lighten my henndigo (got sever headache last time I used it and does not dare to use it again). In all fairness I have succeeded relatively well, going from a level 2 hair to a level 5 approx. However I have a band of level 3 just below my growth, about 2 cm wide. Annoying as it shows well against my virgin level 6 hair. Getting to this point have involved color b4 (twice), several vit c shampoos and around 5 or 6 honey lightening (not many, I know). Today I stubled across a thread about tea tree oil removing henna, and some people also had success with henndigo. That got me thinking: Tea tree oil contains terpenes, solvents used to darken henna and make it last longer (just learned that today .-) ). I would occure that those terpenes, being solvents also can dissolve henna attached to hair. The effect seemed to be stronger when people used shampoo, rather than conditioner, possibly due to lifting the cuticle better.
Among other terpene rich essensial oils are lavender, cajeput and cardamom!
Now, I have read that cardamom and cinnamon have effect in honey lightening, supposedly because they help produce peroxide. And I have read that some have had improved effect after using cardamom essensial oil instead of powder. I have always had a bit of a problem with honey lightening theory, it seems odd to me that such small amounts of peroxide should lighten for example henndigo! Yet I have read that some had more lift on their henndigoed parts of hair than on their growth. So finaly (after much writing) here is my (not at all tested) hypothesis:
Honey does also contain terpenes (smaller extent but still) in different amount regarding different honeys. These terpens have the ability to lift honey (and henndigo) from the hair. The peroxide produced by the honey helps by getting the terpenes into the hair (similar to hair color), so the peroxide part defenately plays a role. Cardamom, and especially in the form of essensial oil provides even more terpenes to the mix. Different honeys give different results both because of different peroxide properties and because of different amounts of terpens.
Now, if this is the case, adding more essensial oil, maybe lavender, cardamom or tea tree would lift
color more? Als adding some baby scampoo to help lift cuticles more?
Like I said in the beginning , I did not read the entire thread, mayby this has already been discussed earlier? Othervise it would be great to know your thougts.
I will of course test honey+lavender+schampoo asap as well :o

hinabelle
March 25th, 2015, 10:17 PM
A lot of the pictures aren't really working on this thread anymore. Does anyone have
some working/updated example pictures of the honey lightening treatment?

Akville
March 27th, 2015, 02:10 AM
I've tried honey lightening in different recipies.. and it never worked for me... could it depend on hair type? I have very course hair...

MintChocChip
April 23rd, 2015, 11:48 AM
I've got a question. Had a look on the first page, but can't find the info I need (sorry, if it is there and I've missed it!). Is it best to wash hair before hand? And also, how long do you leave the mixture in for? Sorry I'm sure this must have answered already!

ETA: will an hour be sufficient?

MintChocChip
April 23rd, 2015, 04:55 PM
Okay so I opted for an hour of honey lightening mixture on my hair. It's been nearly 3 hours since I've come out of the shower after rinsing it out but while my roots look nice, my ends look and feel really wet still. Do you think it's oil residue (I used EVOO in my mix). It doesn't look greasy, just wet. I shampooed after I rinsed the honey mixture out.

Has anyone else had this happen to them? Does it need another wash with shampoo to get rid of the wet look? :/

-Fern
April 23rd, 2015, 06:06 PM
Okay so I opted for an hour of honey lightening mixture on my hair. It's been nearly 3 hours since I've come out of the shower after rinsing it out but while my roots look nice, my ends look and feel really wet still. Do you think it's oil residue (I used EVOO in my mix). It doesn't look greasy, just wet. I shampooed after I rinsed the honey mixture out.

Has anyone else had this happen to them? Does it need another wash with shampoo to get rid of the wet look? :/

EVOO does this to me when I make honey masks with it, and it takes a few days to fully absorb and stop looking that way. I had tried washing it out again, but to no avail, sorry. Coconut oil might be a better alternative if you want to avoid that in the future.

MintChocChip
April 24th, 2015, 04:34 AM
EVOO does this to me when I make honey masks with it, and it takes a few days to fully absorb and stop looking that way. I had tried washing it out again, but to no avail, sorry. Coconut oil might be a better alternative if you want to avoid that in the future.

Thanks for the advice! :) I might just leave this mixture in future. I washed my hair this morning and it's all out now thankfully but am worried that I might have dried it out slightly in the process. Oops.

eva888
June 4th, 2015, 02:16 AM
I just did honey lightening for the first time yesterday and I notice a difference! I don't know if it's enough that could be captured well in a photo, but it definitely brightened everything up! I think I'm going to do them once a week or so.

flickm
July 10th, 2015, 08:25 AM
Oh, i just re-read the honey lightening basics and realise i shouldn't have used hot water. I wanted to lift the deeper red from my root touchup overlap, it was getting too dark. i used 6 filtered water to 1 honey and 1 coconut oil and warmed the water till the coconut oil dissolved, then left it to sit for an hour before putting on my hair. But it's worked. I've done four one hour sessions and have lifted the colour considerably - the ends and some streaks in my fringe and the top of my hair look tawny golden instead of orange, and the redder bits aren't so red. I'm going to go for one more session, concentrating on the right side of my head, which is darker and redder than the left. It's also lifted off the colour from my last root application, but never mind. Sorry, no before and after shots. I'm impulsive and forget to take pics till it's too late.

But it worked way better than I expected!!!! And leaving on for only an hour seems just as effective as leaving it on longer, so I'm guessing the peroxide dies after that.

It will probably darken a bit over the next day or so - this has happened before - but it's still a pleasing result, so thank you all who have taken the time and trouble to put the resources together.

meteor
July 10th, 2015, 11:04 AM
^ Sounds so great, flickm! :thumbsup: Congrats! :D
Did you apply it to wet hair (after washing) or just to dry hair (pre-wash)?
I've only tried honey lightening a couple times a while ago, and though I loved how it brightened everything a bit, the sticky dripping for an hour made me miserable... so I want to try it on dry hair... maybe it will reduce the dripping mess? :hmm:

flickm
July 11th, 2015, 04:51 AM
^ Sounds so great, flickm! :thumbsup: Congrats! :D
Did you apply it to wet hair (after washing) or just to dry hair (pre-wash)?
I've only tried honey lightening a couple times a while ago, and though I loved how it brightened everything a bit, the sticky dripping for an hour made me miserable... so I want to try it on dry hair... maybe it will reduce the dripping mess? :hmm:

Hi meteor, when i did it a few weeks ago, i applied to wet hair, and the dripping drove me mad. This time i just used a highlighting brush and brushed it onto the bits i wanted (it needed more on the right and not much on the ends), then i didn't even use clingfilm but an ordinary plastic shopping bag from a supermarket, then put a beanie type hat on top. Absolutely no drips. i did two sessions back to back and didn't rinse in between, and it seems to have worked fine. I know you're supposed to keep the hair dripping wet, but just saturating with the brush did the trick. In fact I'm amazed at how well it's worked.

meteor
July 11th, 2015, 11:20 AM
^ Thanks a lot, flickm! :flowers: Super-helpful! :)
I'll probably try honey lightening again then... this time not on dripping wet hair. :)

yahirwaO.o
July 12th, 2015, 11:26 PM
My hair got a bit lighter over time with honey!!!!!!!!!!!! My ends look subtle red, still it's not a big or obvious lightning effect. My hair is just too dark! If I mix lemmon, cinnamon and honye it should work. But I actually want my hair darker, still this subtle coloration may show more my future semi blue dye I've been planning for the longest time

Almost a year and honey is the best seriously! Soft hair and shedding rates are almost nonexistent!!!!

flickm
July 13th, 2015, 01:31 AM
^ Thanks a lot, flickm! :flowers: Super-helpful! :)
I'll probably try honey lightening again then... this time not on dripping wet hair. :)

bear in mind, my starting colour before henna was greying blonde, so i think it's easier to get it to work - especially as i haven't done multiple layers of henns (maybe five or six - though that's enough to go quite deep red in places)

thelaundress
December 1st, 2015, 10:51 PM
Has anyone tried using honey for a highlighted/gradient effect? Reading through the application process I started to wonder about doing a stepped wedge application.

You could pre-section out the front, using the hairline at the top of the ear as a static point, clip away the wedge to be dyed then put up the rest and cover it carefully with saran wrap before applying the lightening mixture. I'd imagine 5-6 sections would do it, but then it'd be touchy getting the timing right so the front doesn't go off. Guess I'll be saving the hair from my brush for the next few weeks...

Any links to non-whole head applications would be appreciated. :)

summergame
December 22nd, 2015, 12:43 PM
Is there no honey in Belgium that works for it too? :(

kt2062
January 3rd, 2016, 03:42 PM
I am a member and find this thread fascinating. However 521 pages! Wow, confusing. I got the updated honey lightening recommendations (last update 2011). Is that the most recent. It looks like recipes and methods have evolved over time.
I have fine hair below the shoulders that I wish had more volume. I thought about using chemical dyes to make my hair lighter and fuller (I have done this in the past and eventually it ruined my hair so I stopped years ago). It is a virgin light brown now with some grey--not too noticeable. I used to henna my hair regularly but read that it coats the shaft and precludes anything from penetrating it. Does that include the honey formulas? I assume not since I did find one recipe for using honey and Cassia (I use neutral Henna from Starwest Botanicals). Any advice would be appreciated!
Thanks, Kathy (in California)

kt2062
January 5th, 2016, 03:15 PM
Is this thread dead now? Or are people too busy lightening their hair?:)

kaeide
January 8th, 2016, 12:22 AM
I think I'm going to try this in a few weeks when I get back to school! I'll post pictures of the results.

Krentje
January 8th, 2016, 09:29 AM
Is this thread dead now? Or are people too busy lightening their hair?:)

I just revisited TLHC after 3+ years and to be honest, the honey treatments are the only 'weird things' that stayed with me in my hair care regime. So yes, there are still people putting honey in their hair's! The lightning effects are very subtle and I think only possible on hair that is vulnerable for lightning anyways. Still, a very softening hair-happiness maker! And for Belgium, the cheapest brand goes. I currently live in the Netherlands again and buy 1,21 basic brand.

meteor
January 8th, 2016, 01:06 PM
Is this thread dead now? Or are people too busy lightening their hair?:)

I still incorporate final rinses with a bit of honey and add honey to conditioners and deep treatments... I just don't use the exact ratios recommended (since it's too watery and I don't like sitting with wet hair for long when it's cold) and I don't really expect visible lightening effect, more of a humectant action.

bunneh.
January 8th, 2016, 02:21 PM
I might try this, but I don't want it to pull out too much henna... I might test it on some darker strands to see how much lighter they get, so that I can darken them next time if needed with the rest of my hair (top layers and roots still a bit orange compared to nicer red tones below).

kt2062
January 18th, 2016, 12:50 PM
I tried the recipe with the olive oil. My hair is very fine and the olive oil really makes it too soft and limp, even after washing it out. Is it absolutely necessary? Has anyone tried the honey bleaching without the oil? What is the absolute minimum needed?
Thanks, KT

meteor
January 18th, 2016, 02:16 PM
I tried the recipe with the olive oil. My hair is very fine and the olive oil really makes it too soft and limp, even after washing it out. Is it absolutely necessary? Has anyone tried the honey bleaching without the oil? What is the absolute minimum needed?
Thanks, KT

Oh yes, olive oil is totally not necessary, KT! :agree: Water (distilled) + Honey is all that's necessary. I get the same effect as you from long soaks with olive oil, so I skip that unless my hair is super-dry.
If honey lightening does work for you (I should mention that there are many people that got no effect from it, sadly), then it should work without oil, as well. ;)

kaeide
January 22nd, 2016, 06:23 PM
I did my first honey lightening two days ago. I don't notice a color difference just yet, but my hair was definitely softer afterwards. I ordered a swim cap, and when that comes in I'll do it again. The first time I only used plastic wrap and my shower cap, but I don't think my hair was wet enough throughout the hour that the honey was on it.

ivy-marie
February 6th, 2016, 07:25 AM
I am a member and find this thread fascinating. However 521 pages! Wow, confusing. I got the updated honey lightening recommendations (last update 2011). Is that the most recent. It looks like recipes and methods have evolved over time.
I have fine hair below the shoulders that I wish had more volume. I thought about using chemical dyes to make my hair lighter and fuller (I have done this in the past and eventually it ruined my hair so I stopped years ago). It is a virgin light brown now with some grey--not too noticeable. I used to henna my hair regularly but read that it coats the shaft and precludes anything from penetrating it. Does that include the honey formulas? I assume not since I did find one recipe for using honey and Cassia (I use neutral Henna from Starwest Botanicals). Any advice would be appreciated!
Thanks, Kathy (in California)

Different minerals and vitamins can reduce the peroxide produced, so I would recommend you to use this recipe and cassia separately. If you would like to try honey lightening all the info you need is on the first page of this thread. My hair is straight ad fine and cassia increases the volume of my hair and makes it feel thicker. Also, I do think that honey can get through henna as some people have lightened (although not removed) henna. Hope this helps, good luck

kt2062
February 7th, 2016, 03:35 PM
Well, I have done the honey treatment 4 times now. Once with EVOO, once with cassia and twice now the day or so before cassia. It seems that after the cassia it looks lighter but that does not last. So I might use up the rest of the cassia and give it up. I do like the way it gives it more body and conditioning but that does not seem to last long on my fine hair. Any thoughts?

meteor
February 7th, 2016, 04:44 PM
^ That's kind of my situation, as well, kt2062. :agree:

My hair seems to look only a tiny teeny bit lighter right after a successful honey lightening, but it doesn't seem to last, I don't think it really works for me long term... I wonder if it's just because honey might possibly have some chelating abilities? :hmm: For example, according to ktani: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=2402 :

I was wrong about honey having no chelating abilities.

Honey contains gluconic acid, which is a chelator.

However, I found no references that referred to honey as being a chelating agent.

See "Description" for gluconic acid
http://www.foodbs.org/foodb/additives/show/824

See "Occurance and uses"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconic_acid

Like molasses, honey can leave a residue.

It was recommended by a food chemist, quoted in a post in an old thread, that molasses be followed by a vinegar rinse when it is used on hair, to remove its residue.

In the Honey thread, shampoo or a vinegar rinse has been reported to work well to remove honey residue.


The gluconic acid content of honey varies.

This source says that honey has a gluconic acid amount of ".3%"
http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200209/000020020902A0230313.php (http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200209/000020020902A0230313.php)

This source says that the D-gluconic acid range varies from "3.91 to 11.71 g/kg" in selected honeys.
http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgiGluconic /jafcau/1997/45/i09/abs/jf970012c.html (http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi/jafcau/1997/45/i09/abs/jf970012c.html)


I can't find any solid research on this though, especially linked to hair, so I don't know for sure if honey is really an effective chelator that can remove some mineral deposits from hair, but if it can, that might explain the lightening effect from the point of view of simple removal of brassy tints (caused by iron in water, for example) or dulling effect of calcium, etc... from hair that is light enough to show it.

kt2062
April 10th, 2016, 04:23 PM
Well, I have been doing the honey one day, rinsing it out well (no shampoo) and then the cassia the following day. The honey alone (with distilled water and cardamom, no oil--weighs my hair down too much) does not seems to have any more lightening effects. I seem to get the biggest bang from the cassia. But I stopped using so much conditioner, which I think has been really weighing down my hair....have to try the cone-free conditioner for my fine hair...

Hailwidis
April 11th, 2016, 04:20 AM
Has anyone tried using honey for a highlighted/gradient effect? Reading through the application process I started to wonder about doing a stepped wedge application.

You could pre-section out the front, using the hairline at the top of the ear as a static point, clip away the wedge to be dyed then put up the rest and cover it carefully with saran wrap before applying the lightening mixture. I'd imagine 5-6 sections would do it, but then it'd be touchy getting the timing right so the front doesn't go off. Guess I'll be saving the hair from my brush for the next few weeks...

Any links to non-whole head applications would be appreciated. :)

Any success with this, thelaundress?

I don't want to lighten my whole head but I'd love to get some natural highlights. I was also wondering if this was possible.

Larki
September 7th, 2016, 11:02 AM
I tried my first honey treatment this morning! Two tablespoons of raw orange blossom honey, 3/4 cup room temp water and a tablespoon of ground cinnamon, left on for about 80 minutes. My hair hasn't dried completely yet, so I don't know if there's any color difference yet, but I'm not expecting a difference until at least the second or third time. I loved the smell though! My hair smells divine. :) No real difference on softness, but it does seem shinier than usual!

kt2062
September 7th, 2016, 11:30 AM
I gave up on the honey treatment. Just didn't see any lightening effect. I guess I will stick to the cassia, but even that does not make a big difference in color, more conditioning.




"I tried my first honey treatment this morning! Two tablespoons of raw orange blossom honey, 3/4 cup room temp water and a tablespoon of ground cinnamon, left on for about 80 minutes. My hair hasn't dried completely yet, so I don't know if there's any color difference yet, but I'm not expecting a difference until at least the second or third time. I loved the smell though! My hair smells divine. :) No real difference on softness, but it does seem shinier than usual!"

Larki
September 7th, 2016, 04:15 PM
No color difference after the first time, but I like the extra shine and sleekness enough to do this just as normal deep conditioning if the color doesn't change. I'm betting I'll see a bit of difference after two or three treatments - not in a hurry, I really just want a very slight lightening. I hate color maintenance.

Larki
September 10th, 2016, 02:30 PM
Second treatment in the books!

NimbleNut
December 14th, 2016, 07:14 PM
I did my first honey treatment today and loved it! I did just honey and water and let it sit for an hour prior to applying. I left it in my hair for an hour. I seemed to rinse out easy enough and my hair smells nice. I don't know how much it actually lightened my hair but it definitely toned down the coppery tones of my henna. It is more dark blonde/brown now. My hair is shinier than it's ever been though and feels a little thicker. Maybe not thicker but certainly healthier. Regardless of whether this lightens my hair or not I think I'm still going to try to do it once a week just because my hair seemed to love it!

vampyyri
January 7th, 2017, 09:58 AM
I'm curious about doing this to try and impart some natural highlights into my bangs/down to ear-level. During the wintertime my hair goes back to its dark golden blonde, and I'm really missing the sunkissed/natural highlighted look that I get in the summer.

Fallingin28
February 25th, 2017, 03:06 PM
Hi newbie here,

I have previously amla and hennaed hair then dyed dark brown over it and then black. I miss my lighter coloured hair sooooo much. I found here and decided to give this honey a go as my hair is currently long and the thought of bleaching it and making it brittle made me want to cry.

I bought some distilled water and jarrah honey, pure evoo, and ground cardamom. I mixed it together well, waited an hour and applied. I made quite a lot. I kept it on 2.5 hours and just washed it out in the shower.

The smell is lush! I used a little tiny shampoo on my roots up front only. My hair feels coated but conditioned if that makes sense. I blowed it dry and can't really tell anything happened...in fact it looks as though my roots have lightened (virgin hair) only at this point, which doesn't help my cause. I'll look in the light tomorrow and hopefully something...

But my question is...

Was anyone in a similar position and their hair lightened? After how many honey applications did it happen for you?

I understand hair varies greatly but if it really isn't going to lighten the black dye at all I'd rather know now and save the money.

Thanks

Janja
December 22nd, 2017, 01:15 PM
I looked up the list of honey, but, in my country we have our honey or from countries around. So, can someone put picture or explain how honey should look like and what it needs to contain in ingredients? In our country manu people mix sugar (caramelized it) with honey and say it is true honey...

I would like to lighten indigo on my ends to brown shade or medium brown, so i can use mix of henna, cassia and other powders all over my head. I don't want to my ends go more darker than the rest of my hair.

BlueKittyMeow
December 27th, 2017, 10:29 PM
Iím trying this right now! Will report in later with results if there are any.
Iím doing the standard ratios (1/6),
So 2tbsp honey and 12 tbsp distilled water with 1 tbsp coumarin (Iím sensitive to cinnamon). Let it develop for an hour and have it on my head with plastic wrap and a moist towel over top now.

Iím trying to lighten up some staining from herbal washing. I LOVE what Amla and Shikaki do for my hair but Iím NOT a fan of the dulling. The winter darkness isnít helping. Hereís hoping for maybe a return to a more coppery strawberry color from my fuller tarnished color Iím rocking right now :P (I think itís actually a pretty color but itís so not me! I donít have any current pics that show the darkening but if the honey treatment works Iíll post comparisons).

*Summer*
January 3rd, 2018, 01:55 PM
I am wanting to try to do a honey lightening on my hair tonight. I previously used henna to dye my hair for the last year or so. Towards the end I added indigo into the mix. A month ago I used a box dye (it was a medium brown shade, but looked black on my hair), which I regret. Yesterday I did a deep conditioning with coconut oil, and after shampooing twice afterwards it removed almost all of the boxed dye. I am wanting to try honey and evoo to lighten it some more. How much honey, water, cinnamon, and evoo should I use for hair a little past my shoulders? Also, how long should I leave it on for?

tangocurl
March 14th, 2018, 02:05 PM
I am wanting to try to do a honey lightening on my hair tonight. I previously used henna to dye my hair for the last year or so. Towards the end I added indigo into the mix. A month ago I used a box dye (it was a medium brown shade, but looked black on my hair), which I regret. Yesterday I did a deep conditioning with coconut oil, and after shampooing twice afterwards it removed almost all of the boxed dye. I am wanting to try honey and evoo to lighten it some more. How much honey, water, cinnamon, and evoo should I use for hair a little past my shoulders? Also, how long should I leave it on for?

I would do the basic formula in the top post here: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=148&page=244&p=307685#post307685

I recently honey lightened a few strands of hair around my face, but it didn't lighten much -- I will need to do it again to see much. I found that adding cinnamon put a nice copper red tinge in it. I used 1 tablespoon honey, 6 tablespoons distilled water, one tablespoon EVOO and half a teaspoon of ground cinnamon.

I think I'll omit the cinnamon next time or use less. It was messy to work with and messy to wash out. And, my hair hates olive oil, so I might try the cardamom oil instead for a lightening booster.

tangocurl
April 18th, 2018, 08:59 AM
Ok...so a long time ago, like 2008, I got pretty fast honey lightening results by mixing honey with olive oil in equal parts, putting a shower cap on with a baseball cap over it and then going for a run on a bright sunny afternoon. It generated a lot of heat. I hated the dripping, and came home after about half an hour to rinse it out. The process was so drippy and unpleasant I have never done it again.

But I used no water in the recipe. What do you all think happened? And I’m wondering how I could do this again without having to run with stuff dripping down my face and into my ears? Perhaps wait for a hot summer day?

Glitch
April 23rd, 2018, 08:16 PM
I'm not very familiar with honey treatments, but love the results I've seen on others :) However, I live in a very dry climate and so honey treatments leave my hair quite dry, rough, and even somehow frizzy. Not soft or smooth at all :( This includes the SMT treatment with honey. I wonder if these honey treatments are possible in dry environments. If anyone has ideas, let me know!

Silvike
July 13th, 2018, 01:27 AM
Hello! Is there anyone who has before & after pictures? I have been browsing this thread in the last few days, but I didn't find anything, tho I clicked through the links mentioned in the first post. :confused:

g_lou
August 6th, 2018, 10:00 AM
Does anyone know if honey can straighten hair? I've been using a honey conditioner for a while now, could it be affecting my waves?

psyc2321
August 18th, 2018, 05:14 AM
I wonder if these honey treatments are possible in dry environments. If anyone has ideas, let me know!

Honey is a humectant, which means it moves moisture from the high humidity side of the hair cortex to the low humidity side. In very dry environments, that means it will draw moisture out of your hair - not good!

In those environments, youíll want to watch out for other humectants as well. Panthenol may be an issue as well as honey.

Ukemochi
August 21st, 2018, 08:23 AM
Hello! Has anyone tried pine tree honey? I haven't seen it in the successful honeys list but I read somewhere that as a honeydew product it might more peroxyde that conventionnal honey. I used it in what was my 2nd treatment yesterday (about 50g of honey, the new dilution with distilled water, cardamom and EVOO) and I'm still not seeing results. Maybe I just need to be more patient? My hair is dark brown and hennaed.

priinnz
August 22nd, 2018, 07:16 PM
Hello,
Thanks for the heaps of information. This is really helpful.
I was wondering if anyone can tell me whether honey lightening treatments work ob black asian hair? I have scrolled through the thread and tried to have a look at pictures but I cannot see any pictures, so any help or suggestions would be welcome.

Also, ktani, I know you advise against mixing hydrogen peroxide with honey, but how about using a diluted peroxide solution (approx 1 ml to 1 litre of water). What do you think?

Thanks in advance.

priinnz
August 26th, 2018, 06:53 PM
So inspired by this thread, I tried to lighten my hair with honey:
My hair is virgin very dark brown to black (level 1-2)
I mixed with 1 part honey (liquid honeydew and mixed flora honey),1 part olive oil and 1 part ground cinnamon with 6 parts of water and applied it to my hair from mid-shaft to the ends. I then wrapped it in a plastic bag and went to sleep.
In the morning, I rinsed a bit and repeated the treatment, but this time with a couple of ground cardamom pods as well. After 3-4 hours, washed with conditioner, shampoo and HASK deep conditioning mask.
I could not see any lightening on the same day, but now after 2 days, my hair look quite lustrous (which could also be due to HASK too).

But most importantly, compared to the hair near my scalp (where I did not apply the honey concoction), my hair clearly appears to be much lighter and I am delighted. :happydance::happydance:

I will try this a few more times and update (hopefully I will have figured out by then how to take pics)..

A big thanks to all of you and especially ktani for compiling this thread.. Hope I can get some highlights in my otherwise almost mono-coloured hair this way :)

priinnz
August 26th, 2018, 07:14 PM
The pics:
The few shafts of hair that were lightened from mid-section to ends
https://www.flickr.com/photos/160405213@N06/44242195492/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/160405213@N06/43573390574/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/160405213@N06/43384052585/in/dateposted-public/

Observe the colour difference between the hair on top of my head and the few strands that I am holding against it (red arrow).

What do you think?

priinnz
September 9th, 2018, 10:36 PM
So back after 3 more treatments. I am not really sure if it is making a difference. Also hair seems to be falling more while application of honey. Due to stickiness it kind of pulls on my hair.

Glitch
September 15th, 2018, 02:19 PM
Honey is a humectant, which means it moves moisture from the high humidity side of the hair cortex to the low humidity side. In very dry environments, that means it will draw moisture out of your hair - not good!

In those environments, you’ll want to watch out for other humectants as well. Panthenol may be an issue as well as honey.

Thank you for explaining, unfortunately I learned the hard way :laugh: Hopefully I can come across some alternatives :)

psyc2321
September 15th, 2018, 06:53 PM
Thank you for explaining, unfortunately I learned the hard way :laugh: Hopefully I can come across some alternatives :)

Yeah, so did I. I can only do an SMT during the early summer storm weather here, or itís a complete disaster for the same reason.

Good luck :)

Glitch
September 15th, 2018, 07:19 PM
Yeah, so did I. I can only do an SMT during the early summer storm weather here, or it’s a complete disaster for the same reason.

Good luck :)

Aww! I definitely feel you there!
Thank you miss :D

MarPreciosa
November 30th, 2018, 10:03 AM
Trying this today with the following recipe: 1/4 cup organic honey & 1 cup bottled water left for 1 hour at room temperature and applied to hair for 1.5 hours with hair wrapped up in a plastic shopping bag. Washing it out with a natural chamomille & turmeric shampoo. Really hoping it works (however subtly) because my blonette/tawny hair color gets pretty drab in the colder/darker months.

The results were definitely subtle but it worked! I have gentle highlights now and a slight strawberry tinge. Even if this hadn't happened though, I would definitely do it again. The honey did a great job of moisturizing without weighing my hair down at all - curls are super happy.

Think I will do this again next week.

maborosi
December 3rd, 2018, 04:08 PM
The pics:
The few shafts of hair that were lightened from mid-section to ends
https://www.flickr.com/photos/160405213@N06/44242195492/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/160405213@N06/43573390574/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/160405213@N06/43384052585/in/dateposted-public/

Observe the colour difference between the hair on top of my head and the few strands that I am holding against it (red arrow).

What do you think?

Wow I can definitely see a color difference there- impressive!

Rjky74
December 15th, 2018, 06:23 AM
Hi everyone-

Two questions- is there an upper limit on how long to leave honey in the hair and does it need to be shampooed out? I'm transitioning to WO. Thanks!