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KittenHead
May 28th, 2011, 08:44 PM
I just tried this tonight, in fact it's on my head as I type this but I have a question for others who do this ... how on earth do you keep it from getting all over yourself? I used 2 tbs of honey, 12 tbs distilled water and 1 tbs of extra virgin olive oil. The site said this was the non drippy or almost no drippy recipe but it was pretty much the consistency of water (maybe a wee bit thicker) so I put it in a spray bottle, wet my hair (since I read it needs to be WET) and sprayed this on.

So do I need to use all of it? Trying to get it all all just ended up with most of it dripping off and onto my body (I have pretty short hair), thankfully I had the foresight to undress and stand in the tub! After awhile I just opened up the spray bottle and poured it over my head then I wrapped with saran wrap and put a shower cap over it but I'm worried I didn't get enough to stay on and it's still dripping all over me from under the cap.

Anyways, what I'm wondering is if anyone has much success with a
thicker (less water) recipe because I can't see myself doing this very often if this is how messy it is.

I'll also update in a hour or some when I wash it off as to if it worked or not! Thanks!

HuggyBear
May 29th, 2011, 11:04 AM
I just tried this tonight, in fact it's on my head as I type this but I have a question for others who do this ... how on earth do you keep it from getting all over yourself? I used 2 tbs of honey, 12 tbs distilled water and 1 tbs of extra virgin olive oil. The site said this was the non drippy or almost no drippy recipe but it was pretty much the consistency of water (maybe a wee bit thicker) so I put it in a spray bottle, wet my hair (since I read it needs to be WET) and sprayed this on.

So do I need to use all of it? Trying to get it all all just ended up with most of it dripping off and onto my body (I have pretty short hair), thankfully I had the foresight to undress and stand in the tub! After awhile I just opened up the spray bottle and poured it over my head then I wrapped with saran wrap and put a shower cap over it but I'm worried I didn't get enough to stay on and it's still dripping all over me from under the cap.

Anyways, what I'm wondering is if anyone has much success with a
thicker (less water) recipe because I can't see myself doing this very often if this is how messy it is.

I'll also update in a hour or some when I wash it off as to if it worked or not! Thanks!

I would love a thicker recipe, too as it is quite messy. I have minimized drips by placing cloths around my head in between the plastic and the shower cap.

KittenHead
May 29th, 2011, 04:54 PM
In reply to my last post after leaving it in for an hour and half I have to admit it worked! It sure was messy but you can't argue with results. My dark blonde, lightly highlighted hair probably lighened a whole shade and it also brightened up my highlights. It left my hair soft and shinny too.

I'd still love to hear from anyone who has tried both the drippier version and a thicker version and if the results are a significantly different? I may just play around with it myself to see if I can't get results I can be happy with from a thicker recipe. After all results are results but if I know myself, I wont do it as much as I like simply because I'll dread the mess! That's just me of course :)

Ether way, thanks so much for this thread!

Springlets
May 30th, 2011, 01:52 PM
I'd still love to hear from anyone who has tried both the drippier version and a thicker version and if the results are a significantly different? I may just play around with it myself to see if I can't get results I can be happy with from a thicker recipe. After all results are results but if I know myself, I wont do it as much as I like simply because I'll dread the mess! That's just me of course :)!

I haven't tried it myself but I know Kokoryu tried a less drippy method.

I don't calculate the amount of honey or water. The final mixture looks like a watery conditioner. It doesn't drip, though. I apply it to damp hair (virgin, middle blond), and leave it on for 2/3 hours. Finally, I use a shampoo and a white vinegar rinse.

Her results have been the most dramatic I've ever seen, but that could be up to different factors. Here's a link to her pictures: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=227610&postcount=1907

TheBluffs
May 30th, 2011, 04:30 PM
I havea question: Has anyone had there roots grow out after honey lightning a darker colour, and had to hoeny the roots?

minamelody
June 5th, 2011, 10:19 PM
Hi,

I've been doing quite a bit of reading on this forum about different ways of lightening hennaed hair.

From what I can tell, honey lightening seems to be the most effective and cinnamon and EVOO serve as good boosters.

I just want to know, why is it necessary to mix them with so much water? Wouldn't the results be more intense if it was just honey and cinnamon, with some olive oil and much less water, if necessary at all?

I realize that the new dilution suggested has been most effective, I'm just wondering why all that water (and drip is necessary) ...?

ktani
June 6th, 2011, 05:14 PM
Honey lightening drip tips can be found here,
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=134083&postcount=1096, from the first post of this thread

"10. Mix the honey lightening recipe, at room temperature, and let the recipe sit for 1 hour, also at room temperature, to let the honey produce peroxide or use it right away and the honey will produce peroxide while on the hair. The hair should be freshly washed or rinsed first, if there is aloe gel on the hair (aloe gel contains Vitamin C), a Vitamin C containing leave-in treatment, heavy conditioner, a large amount of oil (a large amount of some types of oil will act as a barrier to the water), or styling products on the hair. If not, a honey lightening treatment can also be applied to wet or dry, unwashed hair. Apply the treatment with a tint, blush, basting brush, spray or squirt bottle, pin the hair up, cover the hair with plastic and keep the treatment on the hair for about 1 hour. The hair must be kept completely wet with the treatment both before it is covered and while the treatment is on the hair. Wearing a swim cap is recommended. Also recommened, is to use saran wrap under a lycra swim cap. It does not squeeze out too much water and the treatment does not drip as much with this method. An updated post (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=578074&postcount=3712) of honey lightening innovations. Using a towel moist enough to keep hair wet has also been reported to work well and reduce drips."

and here, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=578074&postcount=3712
"Bagging a honey lightening recipe to control drips by Zenity,
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4691 (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=1454349&postcount=4691) and http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4692 (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=1454378&postcount=4692) and http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4695 (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=1454580&postcount=4695) and http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4697 (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=1454584&postcount=4697) and http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4698 (http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=4698)"

Doing roots tips, also from the first post can be found here,
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=296249&postcount=2371

minamelody
June 6th, 2011, 06:24 PM
thanks for the tips, I have read up on them too ...

just curious why all the water is necessary, chemically speaking ...

ktani
June 7th, 2011, 03:57 AM
The average honey has a low pH. The amount of water (distilled) raises the pH to about 6 which is the pH at which a honey will produce its maximum amount of peroxide.

If a honey has a higher pH when diluted with water (few do), less water can be used and this has been reported to be successful when this has been done.

ktani
June 7th, 2011, 04:04 AM
Honey pH discussions can be found here, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=282315&postcount=2296 from the first post of this thread.

jojo
June 12th, 2011, 05:35 AM
would just like to show you my results on 2 x lush brun/marron and 2 full baq henna. I am amazed, the final photos are my first ever experience with cinnamon. I am amazed. Many thanks to everybody on the thread but special thanks to our own Honey; Ktani. The amount of effort and time you spend advising people is amazing, love and appreciate you lots
heres the thread please feel free to add my photos if you want to show how the honey stuff works on hendigo! BTW ive been reading this thread for 6 hours!!!
http://www.longhaircommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1644113#post1644113

ktani
June 12th, 2011, 05:41 AM
would hust like to show you my results on 2 x lush brun/marron and 2 full baq henna. I am amazed, the final photos are my first ever experience with cinnamon. I am amazed. Many thanks to everybody on the thread but special thanks to our own Honey; Ktani. The amount of effort and time you spend advising people is amazing, love and appreciate you lots
heres the thread please feel free to add my photos if you want to show how the honey stuff works on hendigo! BTW ive been reading this thread for 6 hours!!!
http://www.longhaircommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1644113#post1644113

LOL, I just posted in your thread.

Thank you! You are most welcome. There are more recipes and pics of honey lightening on henna and hendigoed hair here, from the first post, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=654115&postcount=3919.

jojo
June 12th, 2011, 07:51 AM
Thanks for replying Thank you, I only added the honey, cinnamon and evvo once the tea was room temp and then whisked them together and let them sit for an hour.

I will try with distilled but where do you buy it from? im in the UK. My mum said if you boil a kettle and let it go cold its the same thing? I am not sure about that and I will try your ratio too.

Thank you so much for your input, its really appreciated. I am over the moon with my results and plan to do another middle week!
_____________eta- do youthink the baby shampoo has speeded up the lightening? I know its used by hair dressers to fade chemical dyes, wonder if it does set the ground work for the honey mixture so it works better?

ktani
June 12th, 2011, 08:36 AM
No I do not believe baby shampoo has speeded up honey lightening. Baby shampoos can build-up on the hair and residue is counter productive to honey lightening working well.

While baby shampoo has been credited for helping to remove hair colour molecules, according to Proctor and Gamble (P&G), it is actually water that does that, not any shampoo.

jojo
June 12th, 2011, 09:19 AM
aww I see. I could only find de-ionised water the lady in the garage told me it was the same. Do you have any views on using this instead of distilled? tia

ktani
June 12th, 2011, 09:27 AM
aww I see. I could only find de-ionised water the lady in the garage told me it was the same. Do you have any views on using this instead of distilled? tia

The processes are different. Distilled is more pure. However, for the purpose you are going to use it for, deionized should be fine. I would not drink it though.

For drinking water, mineral and certain tap waters or spring waters are best. Minerals are great for the body, not honey lightening, lol.

TheBluffs
June 12th, 2011, 10:55 AM
Doing roots tips, also from the first post can be found here,
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=296249&postcount=2371

So you do get roots? :confused:

ktani
June 12th, 2011, 11:01 AM
So you do get roots? :confused:

I do not honey lighten as I have said for 2 reasons.

1. I am sensitive to honey used on my scalp although I can tolerate it on areas of my skin (I lightened spots on the backs of my hands) and have used it on an infection over my eye (Manuka honey) and on my toe. It worked well for both purposes.

2. I am covering my grey with catnip stain and do not want my hair to be lighter.

jojo
June 12th, 2011, 11:35 AM
The processes are different. Distilled is more pure. However, for the purpose you are going to use it for, deionized should be fine. I would not drink it though.

For drinking water, mineral and certain tap waters or spring waters are best. Minerals are great for the body, not honey lightening, lol.

thanks no i much prefer a nice rooibo than a glass of de-ironised water lol!:D

ktani
June 12th, 2011, 11:37 AM
thanks no i much prefer a nice rooibo than a glass of de-ironised water lol!:D

LOL, just thought I would throw that in. Re rooibos tea, me too, lol.

Beauty42O
June 12th, 2011, 01:31 PM
Hey all! I'm still new here, so if this is the wrong place for this I apologise. I was just wondering if using honey to lighten you hair gets rid of your natural highlights as well, or would it make them lighter too? I'd really like you lighten my hair, but I don't want to lose my highlights!

jojo
June 12th, 2011, 04:27 PM
^^ I would think the highlighted bits would go lighter.

jojo
June 13th, 2011, 02:12 PM
Ok ive just done another but with deionised water and for an hour. I used 4 tbs honey, 2 cinnamon, 24 tbs deionised water and left for an hour. It was way to runny so I added 4tbs of coneless condish and then left on hair for1 hour.

My hair is still drying but ive noticed my hair which is baby fine naturally but some of the strands got more medium with the henna are now baby fine again.

I much like the formula with the deionised water, wow it makes my hair so soft. will report back with results later.

ktani
June 13th, 2011, 04:27 PM
Ok ive just done another but with deionised water and for an hour. I used 4 tbs honey, 2 cinnamon, 24 tbs deionised water and left for an hour. It was way to runny so I added 4tbs of coneless condish and then left on hair for1 hour.

My hair is still drying but ive noticed my hair which is baby fine naturally but some of the strands got more medium with the henna are now baby fine again.

I much like the formula with the deionised water, wow it makes my hair so soft. will report back with results later.

Sounds great so far. See this post, http://www.longhaircommunity.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1636351&postcount=4757 for tips on drips with just water and no conditioner.

jojo
June 13th, 2011, 05:37 PM
It has brought the red out more and my individual strands are similar to my pre henna days. Ive not had quite as much pull from the colour as yesterday but its definitely working. Also the parts which where previously highlighted (then dyed and hendigoed on top) are showing lighter in certain lights! I will try the no condish next time.

The condition of my hair is still very good, no damage at all as yet. I will repeat without condish on Friday, going togive my hair a break for a few days.

jojo
June 14th, 2011, 10:26 AM
OK photo results from yesterdays treatment
sorry really bad quality and a bit dark but the indigo is evidently fading and the henna red more obvious
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/joanna_eglin/DSCF6430.jpg
and outside my back yard
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/joanna_eglin/DSCF6433.jpg
and this is amazing, i love how the sunlight makes my hair look blond, bear in mind my hair was dark brown with indigo, no roots!
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/joanna_eglin/DSCF6429.jpg
and in different light, different again and again good root blend
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/joanna_eglin/DSCF6432.jpg

ktani
June 14th, 2011, 05:42 PM
OK photo results from yesterdays treatment
sorry really bad quality and a bit dark but the indigo is evidently fading and the henna red more obvious
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/joanna_eglin/DSCF6430.jpg
and outside my back yard
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/joanna_eglin/DSCF6433.jpg
and this is amazing, i love how the sunlight makes my hair look blond, bear in mind my hair was dark brown with indigo, no roots!
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/joanna_eglin/DSCF6429.jpg
and in different light, different again and again good root blend
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l283/joanna_eglin/DSCF6432.jpg

Gorgeous!

How is the condition of your hair?

jojo
June 15th, 2011, 07:48 PM
^^ better than ever so glossy and the shine is amazing. I have noted no damage at all in fact my hair feels like my virgin hair again.

I really do think this is working due to little and often. An hour say 3 times a week is better than one 3 hour treatment IMO. Also my individual strands which had got thicker with henna are back to my original fine hair. Its almost as if the henna on the hair has been shattered, if that makes sense!

A few more sessions and it wont be far from my natural colour, the one thing is does do is strip the greys from henna. I always struggled trying to cover greys which explains probably why they where the first hairs to shed their henna overcoat!

Catlover
June 25th, 2011, 12:56 AM
Sitting here, with the tomato (pasta) sauce, honey mix on my BSL hair - the drips are driving my batty - but will try and leave for as long as possible. The colour of the drips is a reddy shade - hopefully this is the henna coming away - but goodness gracious me - it pongs eeeek. Took before photos and will take after photos and post.

ktani
June 25th, 2011, 04:59 AM
Sitting here, with the tomato (pasta) sauce, honey mix on my BSL hair - the drips are driving my batty - but will try and leave for as long as possible. The colour of the drips is a reddy shade - hopefully this is the henna coming away - but goodness gracious me - it pongs eeeek. Took before photos and will take after photos and post.

Good luck!

Tomato products are no longer recommended for this. Depending on the peroxide level of the honey used, the Vitamin C in the sauce can depete it somewhat or severely.

The pH of tomato sauce can also lower the pH of the recipe enough to cause a problem too.

See the first post of this thread - these two links.

See #6 and the list linked in it on ingredients that contain Vitamin C.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=134083&postcount=1096

and this one on honey and pH
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=282315&postcount=2296

ktani
June 25th, 2011, 05:05 AM
Drip and doing roots tips can be found here, http://www.longhaircommunity.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1636351&postcount=4757

deedlit
June 26th, 2011, 11:26 AM
I'm going to try this today. I have to shampoo the hair after the treatment, yes? Just making sure.

Persephone
June 27th, 2011, 06:10 PM
Oh, I'm so excited!!!!

I haven't really ever had the urge to lighten my hair, but it's very dark, and I think if I lightened it first, then I could get a nice deep red from henna (which I've done on occasion, but since my hair is so dark, I'm not really getting the auburn shade I want).

I'm going to try this! :D

One question: Should this be done on clean hair, or is it ok to do this if you need a shampoo?

ktani
June 27th, 2011, 06:42 PM
This may help.

"The hair should be freshly washed or rinsed first, if there is aloe gel on the hair (aloe gel contains Vitamin C), a Vitamin C containing leave-in treatment, heavy conditioner, a large amount of oil (a large amount of some types of oil will act as a barrier to the water), or styling products on the hair. If not, a honey lightening treatment can also be applied to wet or dry, unwashed hair."

From #10, here, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=134083&postcount=1096, in the first post of this thread. The hair may benefit from clarifying first. It depends on how much of what is on the hair.

Persephone
June 27th, 2011, 10:08 PM
Thank you. I have oily hair, so I'll just shampoo it first. I don't put any product on my hair, ever, unless you count ACV or EVOO, so no problems there.

MomOf2Gremlins
July 1st, 2011, 01:29 PM
Oohhh!!! This might be my 'salvation' after just having posted about my dilemma with my first henna/indigo experience (darker streaks in the top layer..)!
I'll still have to wait and see how it end up over the next 3 days but afterwards I now know how to (hopefully) be able to 'fix' any unwanted darkness!
Thank you for your wonderful thread, ktani!:flower:

Of the Fae
July 5th, 2011, 03:59 AM
I mixed honey with cassia, sage and jasmine tea and a little cinnamon yesterday. I have hennaed hair. I don't see much difference today, but I am trying again right now.
I'm trying to get my hair more brassy/bright and less dark red.
Although my hair díd get very soft and moisturized:) So if it does not brighten my hair, at least I will have tried a very lovely hairmask!

Stub
July 6th, 2011, 08:32 PM
I did a honey and cinnamon today, but I can't really tell if it did anything. I didn't have distilled water, and was too impatient to go buy some. So well water, honey, and cinnamon, on hair that had jojoba oil on it last night and some leave-in conditioner from yesterday. I'll clarify and try again tomorrow after a stop at the store. I have to say I'm LOVING the cinnamon smell of my hair right now though!

MomOf2Gremlins
July 6th, 2011, 11:58 PM
I did a honey and cinnamon today, but I can't really tell if it did anything. I didn't have distilled water, and was too impatient to go buy some. So well water, honey, and cinnamon, on hair that had jojoba oil on it last night and some leave-in conditioner from yesterday. I'll clarify and try again tomorrow after a stop at the store. I have to say I'm LOVING the cinnamon smell of my hair right now though!

I loved the smell as well! I wish, my henndigo would have smelled like this!

ktani
July 17th, 2011, 06:19 AM
From the first Honey thread.

Viviane on honey as a leave-in
"Besides, if you dampen your hair out a bit and then add a pearl size amount of honey to your palms, rub vigorously and then slide your palms to hair and comb, itīs not sticky at all. It just keeps it all in place. Sticky happens with too much of the good stuff."
http://archive.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=1158943&postcount=1102

Angel_Abby
July 18th, 2011, 02:08 PM
Ktani: a silly question.


I have been doing honey masks on my scalp for a year now, for my SD. They are amazing. However an odd thing happened a week ago.

I cut my hair off and added some reddish streaks (with a home color set) and my roots are VERY noticibly lighter than the rest of my hair.

Do you think my honey masks did this, or some user error when coloring? Also- any chance I could honey the rest of my length and try to match the shades or just leave it alone?

ktani
July 18th, 2011, 06:14 PM
Ktani: a silly question.


I have been doing honey masks on my scalp for a year now, for my SD. They are amazing. However an odd thing happened a week ago.

I cut my hair off and added some reddish streaks (with a home color set) and my roots are VERY noticibly lighter than the rest of my hair.

Do you think my honey masks did this, or some user error when coloring? Also- any chance I could honey the rest of my length and try to match the shades or just leave it alone?

No question is silly to me.

It is quite possible that your honey masks lightened your roots.

What is SD? I am not familiar with that abbreviation.

Yes, you could honey lighten the rest of your hair to match your roots. However, if your roots are now lighter than your natural colour, you will need to keep lightening them.

How much of a difference are you takling about?

Another possibility is that your length is porous and absorbed more hair colour, which should lighten over time on its own.

I would wait to see how much the colour fades before doing anything else, like a honey lightening treatment or using a colour remover. Hair colour does fade on its own (water not shampoo, helps remove the molecules when hair swells during shampooing).

Angel_Abby
July 18th, 2011, 08:54 PM
No question is silly to me.

It is quite possible that your honey masks lightened your roots.

What is SD? I am not familiar with that abbreviation.

Yes, you could honey lighten the rest of your hair to match your roots. However, if your roots are now lighter than your natural colour, you will need to keep lightening them.

How much of a difference are you takling about?

Another possibility is that your length is porous and absorbed more hair colour, which should lighten over time on its own.

I would wait to see how much the colour fades before doing anything else, like a honey lightening treatment or using a colour remover. Hair colour does fade on its own (water not shampoo, helps remove the molecules when hair swells during shampooing).

SD is short for sebhorric dermatitis, a scalp condition I have. I use a 1 to 5 raw honey to water mixture over my scalp,along my hair lines, and over my ears to keep flares to a minimum.

Its a way to avoid the foams and harsh shampoos that are the only other thing I have been able to control it with.


The roots are an orangy red and the length is brownish red. Its dramatic but not garish... So I am not in a hurry to wash it out. If I could get the length as golden as the roots that would be neat though.

jaquelines
July 19th, 2011, 04:22 AM
dear ktani, i would like to give a try with the honey lightening, and have also some inquiries :
i live ingermany and i don´t know what the exact term for "ground" cardamom ist. is it the green, or the black one ?

i have found a supplier in germany who sells jarrah honey, but how to make sure is the same one as the ones from australia that you have mentioned in your thread ? link : http://www.globoverde.de/shop/product_info.php?info=p42_Jarrah-Honig--Jarrah-Honey---West-Australien--Aktiv-TA-20-.html

at last - do i have to condition after honey treatment ? can i wash it out with conditioner , or better not ? s

thank you in advance !

jaquelines
July 19th, 2011, 04:44 AM
i am sorry, i have to add something - it will take a few days for the order from this german supplier to arrive and i need to do "now", in the next 1-2 days a lightening treatment prior to my dying.
are you aware of any other types of honey available in europe / germany that i might use for now ? i have found something called " foresthoney", darker color.
should i cover the mixture while waiting for the peroxide to be released ?

ktani
July 19th, 2011, 05:41 PM
This post, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=134083&postcount=1096 has the most honey lightening details including those on ground cardamom (which simply means powdered cardamom). I think green or black cardamom should be ok.

Jarrah honey is a type of honey (plant source) and there is information on it in that post as well and on how to remove a honey lightening treatment. One can use conditioner only to remove it if one wishes.

jaquelines
July 19th, 2011, 07:15 PM
thank you ktani, i read that post, followed the instructions. unfortunately i couldn´t find any jarrah honey , or similar with high oxidation in germany. when i saw that product in a german store i thought maybe you have more information.
the thing is - i did the procedure and couldn´t see much result. it was on my ends, which are chemical dyed and anyway sensitive, but that was all. i had troubles applying because it was so thin, although i have followed the dilution instructions, i ended up "soaking" my hair in the sink, let it sit for one hour for the release, one hour on my head ...no really noticeable changes.
i used "forest" honey , distilled water, 1 ts EVOO and a bid of cardamom.

ktani
July 19th, 2011, 08:58 PM
Finding a good honey for this can be a challenge. There is a list here of honeys to avoid, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=705944&postcount=4027

jaquelines
July 23rd, 2011, 04:41 AM
Is it possible to re-use the leftovers ? I have done another treatment, I am waiting for de release of the peroxide, but used a too bigger quantity and have a lot of liquid left. Can I storage the rest in the frizzer to use it next time ?

ktani
July 23rd, 2011, 05:38 AM
Not all answers to questions are in the first post under frequently asked about topics. The issue as to whether and how long a honey lightening treatment can be kept has come up a number of times in this thread. The length of the thread can make finding those answers difficult.

Here is a good version of the reply to that, based on research, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=413644&postcount=3139.

jaquelines
July 23rd, 2011, 05:41 AM
thank you very much ktani

beeshair
July 24th, 2011, 10:02 PM
hello all!
i've tried the honey treatment twice in the last week since reading all about it on these forums, and i think my hair is marginally lighter, which is wonderful! just one question though; are you mean to mix the evoo in with the water / honey straight up, or add it in after you've let the honey / water site for awhile? i can't really tell if the oil is contributing to or hindering the treatment's success...
thanks!
bee

beeshair
July 25th, 2011, 03:05 AM
all good, found an answer to this question a few pages back :)

jaquelines
July 25th, 2011, 05:50 PM
Hello beeshair-where have you found the answer, which page?

Lostsoule77
July 25th, 2011, 08:31 PM
Ktani I just found this thread and think it's wonderful. Just have a question. I'd be using it to try lightening black semi-permanent dye from my hair that starts down around my ears. I don't want to lighten the rest of my virgin hair that starts at the roots and meets the darker hair. I'll assume that I should only wet my darker hair with the solution. How would I then wrap it so that it's effective, but doesn't touch my virgin hair? Do you think if I wrapped it in saran wrap closed off with a hair tie and then putting it up with a cap or towel would be sufficient?

Mingle
July 26th, 2011, 01:14 AM
I have dark brown hair and I tried the honey treatment, but I didn't see any difference. I think I'll try again tomorrow. I'll let you guys know how it goes. =)

ktani
July 26th, 2011, 03:59 AM
Ktani I just found this thread and think it's wonderful. Just have a question. I'd be using it to try lightening black semi-permanent dye from my hair that starts down around my ears. I don't want to lighten the rest of my virgin hair that starts at the roots and meets the darker hair. I'll assume that I should only wet my darker hair with the solution. How would I then wrap it so that it's effective, but doesn't touch my virgin hair? Do you think if I wrapped it in saran wrap closed off with a hair tie and then putting it up with a cap or towel would be sufficient?

Zenity came up with a method to do just that, and although the pictures are now missing, the text is still there. It is in this post, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=578074&postcount=3712.

Good luck!

Zenity
July 26th, 2011, 04:57 AM
Sorry about that. Pics are back, just re-organized photobucket albums and forgot to update here.

Lostsoule77
July 26th, 2011, 06:04 PM
Ktani thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I don't know how you can recall all of this stuff, but I'm sure glad you do.
Zenity thank you for coming up with this and getting the pictures back. I definitely needed them. :)
I just mixed a batch up and I'll see how it goes. :)

Laurenji
July 28th, 2011, 02:12 PM
I tried this again this week, and I think my hair is slightly lighter. I'm not exactly sure, though...I think I'll try it a few more times to see.

AlannaMaria
July 28th, 2011, 10:15 PM
Well, looks like I'm giving this a go. I'm sitting here with the stuff on my head as I type. I have to admit, I almost chickened out, seeing as I have completely virgin hair. I'm still pretty nervous, and I'm actually hoping it's barely noticeable. I didn't do any sort of exact measurements, but I used about a cup and a half of distilled water, about 4 tablespoons of raw wildflower honey, and a tablespoon or so of EVOO.

I like my hair color sometimes, but I'd like to be in the more "definitely dark blonde" rather than "uh...is your hair light brown or dark blonde?" Right now, it just seems like dishwater. So, it'd be great to lighten it up just a smidge, but I suppose I won't be completely heartbroken if it doesn't do anything, either. I can always lighten a little more gradually if I want. I just don't want the roots to look ridiculous as they grow out.

I didn't take a before picture, but I'll take some pictures afterward and I'll let you guys know if I notice any differences. : )

Mingle
July 29th, 2011, 10:48 AM
Success! Well, sort of. My boyfriend noticed a slight difference. I didn't notice it until last night (a couple days after honeying).

ktani
July 31st, 2011, 03:21 AM
Henna colour fading, irradiation, bacteria and fungus.

Henna powder is affected by processing or lack of it and that affects colour retention and shade.
http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/5654/1/NPR%207(2)%20117-121.pdf

http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/1612/1/IJFTR%2033(2)%20157-162.pdf

ktani
July 31st, 2011, 07:40 AM
Most interesting, http://elensoft.com/portfolio/synaa-new/synaatattooing.html

ktani
July 31st, 2011, 10:01 AM
The bacterial and fungal contamination information is not new.

http://ec.europa.eu/health/ph_risk/committees/04_sccp/docs/sccp_o_034.pdf

Henna can be contaminated in several ways.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/foi/internalops/fod/oc/200-299/294_46.pdf

http://ideatest.conseq.org.uk/lacors/core/page.do?pageId=10448354

What is important is that the henna one buys is free of all contaminants, including harmful additives and I completely agree with henna suppliers who state that one has a right to know this.

jaquelines
August 4th, 2011, 02:29 AM
Dear ktani,

I would like to add tomatoes to my receipe. On the first page there was tomato pasta added. but on another post you metnioned tomato paste is not recommended anymore, crushed tomatos instead would be better. You mean crushed tomato like in a can, preserved food ? Ore fresh tomatos ?

ktani
August 4th, 2011, 10:37 AM
Dear ktani,

I would like to add tomatoes to my receipe. On the first page there was tomato pasta added. but on another post you metnioned tomato paste is not recommended anymore, crushed tomatos instead would be better. You mean crushed tomato like in a can, preserved food ? Ore fresh tomatos ?

Those posts are very old. The current recipies and recommendations are in the first post of this thread, see #6, here, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=134083&postcount=1096.

All tomato products contain sufficient amounts of Vitamin C to deplete a honey lightening recipe peroxide level.

beeshair
August 14th, 2011, 01:52 AM
hey!

so i've tried this at least four times now, and i'm really not seeing any difference - i might be doing something wrong however.

i prepare the mixture (2 tbsp of honey + 1/2 cup of distilled water (metric) + 1 tbsp of evoo), let it sit for an hour, drench my hair in it, then leave it in for about an hour and a half. my hair always feels and looks softer afterward, but not lighter.

i use macro organic honey (it's darker than coles' organic honey, so i thought it might be better), but i can't think of anything that might be foiling the treatment.

do you think switching to a cone free conditioner (i use a CF shampoo already) might help it to absorb better? or maybe i could remove the evoo from the mixture?

at any rate, i'm going to switch to the coles brand honey and try doing the treatment more regularly (at the moment i only do it once a week). not ready to give up just yet!

any advice would be greatly appreciated!

ktani
August 14th, 2011, 05:27 AM
For anyone thinking of trying a honey lightening treatment for the first time based on this thread, this link, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=134083&postcount=1096 is the most complete and can be found in the first post of this thread. It has answers and explanations to a number of questions.

Alhanna
August 19th, 2011, 04:29 AM
Hi everybody,

First, please excuse me if my english is strange sometimes, I'm French !

I was glad to find out this forum, such a detailed and complete forum doesn't really exist in french.

So, here is my "problem" :

Some years ago, I did all mistreatments I could on my hair, because of ignorance, and especially because of very bad advices from hairdresser : Chemical colors and dye, chemical treatment for having curly hair (I don't know the word, and I haven't any dictionnary right now)...
Finally I went on henna for repairing them, and after 2 years of BAQ henna and several hair cut (sometime very short !!), my hair are "in a fine shape".
But 2 years of henna made them darker than I wanted, and contrary to lower quality henna, mine is not fading at all.

So, I tried the recipe found on your site, and after reading a certain amont of post, I made 50:50 honey and coconut cream/milk, plus 1 tablespoon of extra virgin olive oil, plus 1,5 tablespoon of powdered cinnamon.
The honey I use is a mix of EU and non-EU honeys, and I choose it rather dark.

I made 2 application with this recipe on wet hair, first 3 hours, then 5 hours, on wet hair, and I see no result at all on the color... but my hair is soft, and rather shiny.

Did I do something wrong ?
With 2 years of henna, will I be forced to have a chemical dye for having results ? And if I do this, will it even work, could I have the color showed indicated on the product, or will it "mix" with henna and be a disaster ?

Thank you all for your recipe and experiences, I hope to read answers and advices soon !

ayco
August 19th, 2011, 07:07 PM
Thank you so much for posting this. My hair is usually very dark brown and it's slowly turning medium brown after several applications.

I was wondering if it's possible to use cinnamon bark oil instead of cinnamon spice. The mess is getting pretty bad and I'm just a bit tired of always cleaning up the spice in the bathroom. If oil can be used in place of spice, how much should I put into my wash? I usually mix 6:36 (honey:distilled water)

Thanks!

ktani
August 20th, 2011, 04:25 AM
Information about cinnamon and its oil can be found here, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=160845&postcount=1314

from this post, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=134083&postcount=1096 in the first post of this thread, where there are details as to why coconut cream and milk as well as conditioner are no longer recommended for honey lightening recipes.

Revontuletar
August 20th, 2011, 04:32 AM
Hi, I was just wondering (and I know this would have been asked before, but oh well) if honey produces peroxide, won't it damage hair? I have chemically dyed hair with a few inches of regrowth that I want to try and lighten with honey, but I am afraid of more peroxide.

Revontuletar
September 1st, 2011, 12:31 AM
Ok, so I have currently mixed my first honey lightening treatment and am letting it sit for the recommended hour before I put it on my hair. DM is out for the day so I thought it the perfect time to put weird things in my hair without stressing her out about the mess I am going to make. What she doesn't know won't hurt her, and hopefully will make my hair lighter :D

I mixed cinnamon and coconut oil in it and it looks...interesting. The coconut oil was solid (I didn't warm it up to liquid before I put it in. Not sure if you're supposed to do that), so the treatment has a lovely lumpy consistency. Should be fun putting this gunk in my hair. I hope it works!

Revontuletar
September 1st, 2011, 01:45 AM
I've put it in my hair and am now sitting with it under a freezer bag with a headband tied super tight over the top, since i don't have a swim cap. it's still dripping really bad, and i am wet and sticky. I really hope it doesnt all drip down and dry out on me.

Revontuletar
September 1st, 2011, 03:05 AM
I didn't leave it on for the whole hour because it had dripped so much and almost dried up :( It took a lot of shampoo and a LOT of conditioner to get it out and back to some sort of normality, as it had made my hair very dry. I have come to the conclusion that cinnamon is not my friend. I didn't notice a change in colour :( I am going to buy myself a swim cap and next time I do this it will be minus the cinnamon.

giuditta
September 1st, 2011, 12:27 PM
I would like to use some honey just for shine and conditioning in my hair, without lightening it. Is that possible if I just add some to my shampoo, or does it always lighten your hair right away?

ktani
September 1st, 2011, 01:02 PM
I would like to use some honey just for shine and conditioning in my hair, without lightening it. Is that possible if I just add some to my shampoo, or does it always lighten your hair right away?

No worries about using it that way because it will not be on your hair long enough added to shampoo, to do any lightening.

To use honey in conditioner without the possibility of lightening, microwave it separately for 30 seconds to under 1 minute first. That destroys the enzyme in honey that generates peroxide when it is diluted with a liquid that contains water.

giuditta
September 1st, 2011, 01:04 PM
Thanks Ktani for the information!

Melodere
September 2nd, 2011, 09:08 AM
So, how long should one wait between treatments for lightening? I did one on Wednesday, is it ok to do another today? I'm doing a cinnamon-honey combo, but I do have cardamom in the pantry, so I'm going to try that next instead.

ktani
September 2nd, 2011, 09:22 AM
So, how long should one wait between treatments for lightening? I did one on Wednesday, is it ok to do another today? I'm doing a cinnamon-honey combo, but I do have cardamom in the pantry, so I'm going to try that next instead.

You can do a honey lightening treatment as often as you wish, no worries.

Revontuletar
September 5th, 2011, 09:45 AM
I tried the honey lightening again today and it went better than the last time. Instead of trying to cover it I just did the bowl and cup thing for an hour, haha. I can't see much of a difference, but then again I had not let it sit for an hour before using it, as it was late and I didn't want to wait. I still used cinnamon with it, but only a tiny bit. I will try to keep doing it regularly and hopefully I will see a result soon :)

Alhanna
September 7th, 2011, 12:11 PM
I was thinking of a way to boost the lightening, what about adding rhapontic or camomille powder in the recipe ? Do you think it's ok for the peroxide level to combine it with honey ?

ktani
September 7th, 2011, 01:09 PM
I was thinking of a way to boost the lightening, what about adding rhapontic or camomille powder in the recipe ? Do you think it's ok for the peroxide level to combine it with honey ?

Have a look through the first post at the links on the new dilution recipes. With chamomile it is about it adding unwanted colour and it will not boost lightening.

beeshair
September 7th, 2011, 06:42 PM
hi all!

so i've probably done this around 8 times now, and the first 6 times it didn't work at all, but i've done a few things differently the last couple times round, and am seeing much better results!

initially i mixed the honey, distilled water, and EVOO together and let it sit for only one hour prior to application. more recently however, I have been leaving the same solution to sit unmixed for around 3-4 hours, and have been applying it with a spray bottle instead of using my hands (messy!) another fact to note - i have switched honeys from coles' organic honey to manuka honey!

i'll post before / afters when i'm happy with the lightness of my hair.

cheers!

Revontuletar
September 10th, 2011, 03:01 AM
hi all!

so i've probably done this around 8 times now, and the first 6 times it didn't work at all, but i've done a few things differently the last couple times round, and am seeing much better results!

initially i mixed the honey, distilled water, and EVOO together and let it sit for only one hour prior to application. more recently however, I have been leaving the same solution to sit unmixed for around 3-4 hours, and have been applying it with a spray bottle instead of using my hands (messy!) another fact to note - i have switched honeys from coles' organic honey to manuka honey!

i'll post before / afters when i'm happy with the lightness of my hair.

cheers!

Nice! I couldn't find any Jarrah honey in coles so I used the Coles organic honey. Next time I try this I will switch to manuka honey if I can't find the Jarrah.

Coan-Teen
September 10th, 2011, 09:13 AM
So I just tried my first honey lightening treatment. I did a couple of things not always recommended but I thought I'd share my results and add another successful honey to the list.

Recipe:

4 Tbsp. America's Choice Honey
24 Tbsp. tap water
1 Tbsp. McCormick Ground Cinnamon (Note: This is Cinnamomum Cassia, not true cinnamon)

Method:

I mixed the ingredients together in a large pitcher for easy application and let it sit while I took a shower. This would've taken approximately 20-25mins., including the time to wring excess moisture out of my hair. I applied half the mixture to damp hair and wrapped my head with a plastic bag. :) No saran wrap. I let it sit for a little over 1 hr. and then showered. In the shower, I rinsed the initial application out, poured the remaining half of my mixture over my head, let it sit for 5 mins., and then rinsed that out as well. I conditioned and then let my hair air dry.

Results:

My hair is at least one shade lighter. I was starting on dark blonde hair with some red tones (I usually classify as strawberry blonde), and my hair did not come out looking brassy in any way. My ends do feel a little dry and were a bit tangly after the initial treatment but that could be due to residue or my own pre-existing velcro ends. I didn't experience any irritation from the cinnamon and chose to use it because it was an ingredient I had on hand. Same with America's Choice Pure Honey.

I will definitely be using this method in the future for treating my hair.

ktani
September 10th, 2011, 10:02 AM
So I just tried my first honey lightening treatment. I did a couple of things not always recommended but I thought I'd share my results and add another successful honey to the list.

Recipe:

4 Tbsp. America's Choice Honey
24 Tbsp. tap water
1 Tbsp. McCormick Ground Cinnamon (Note: This is Cinnamomum Cassia, not true cinnamon)

Method:

I mixed the ingredients together in a large pitcher for easy application and let it sit while I took a shower. This would've taken approximately 20-25mins., including the time to wring excess moisture out of my hair. I applied half the mixture to damp hair and wrapped my head with a plastic bag. :) No saran wrap. I let it sit for a little over 1 hr. and then showered. In the shower, I rinsed the initial application out, poured the remaining half of my mixture over my head, let it sit for 5 mins., and then rinsed that out as well. I conditioned and then let my hair air dry.

Results:

My hair is at least one shade lighter. I was starting on dark blonde hair with some red tones (I usually classify as strawberry blonde), and my hair did not come out looking brassy in any way. My ends do feel a little dry and were a bit tangly after the initial treatment but that could be due to residue or my own pre-existing velcro ends. I didn't experience any irritation from the cinnamon and chose to use it because it was an ingredient I had on hand. Same with America's Choice Pure Honey.

I will definitely be using this method in the future for treating my hair.

Great to hear that it worked so well for you. Interesting way of doing it, in 2 applications.

Alhanna
September 11th, 2011, 05:23 AM
I think I'll try your way !

I have done a dozen of honey treatment with the new dilution (half of them with cinnamon), and no result can be seen (but I'm pretty sure it's henna's fault).

Yesterday I did it with a mixed flowers honey (quite dark, as recommended), 1 tablespoon coconut oil, demineralized water and cinnamon, let it on my head wrapped with plastic film (you know, the one for preserving food) for 4 hours, and the color did not changed at all (but my hair are gorgeous, it seems "reinflated", I don't know how to explain).

Next time I'll be looking for Jarrah or Manuka honey, but I never saw it in shops (even biologic ones). Did these honey REALLY help ?

Coan-Teen
September 15th, 2011, 01:48 PM
Great to hear that it worked so well for you. Interesting way of doing it, in 2 applications.

I did the two applications as a kind of accident, actually. I made too much because I wasn't sure how viscous it would be and didn't have room to store it in my fridge. I tossed it on because why not. Even so, I'd probably do it again when I next use honey lightening. I'm not sure if it helped boost my results or not but it was a nice cold rinse that helped loosen some of the cinnamon.

QueenOfTheSkye
September 15th, 2011, 06:00 PM
I'm sort of new here and don't want to start out by damaging my hair, so my question: since the lightening effect is produced by peroxide, which is that horrible, damaging, evil and wicked (slight sarcasm intended) chemical, does honey damage similarly, only on a smaller scale? Or does the fact that it's honey and not a 30% or 40% solution of pure chemical reduce the damage to the point that it's not noticeable even after several treatments?

ktani
September 15th, 2011, 07:01 PM
I did the two applications as a kind of accident, actually. I made too much because I wasn't sure how viscous it would be and didn't have room to store it in my fridge. I tossed it on because why not. Even so, I'd probably do it again when I next use honey lightening. I'm not sure if it helped boost my results or not but it was a nice cold rinse that helped loosen some of the cinnamon.

It all sounds good! I do not think the last 5 minutes isolated like that did any more lightening but it cannot hurt and it all worked out very well.

ktani
September 16th, 2011, 03:35 AM
I'm sort of new here and don't want to start out by damaging my hair, so my question: since the lightening effect is produced by peroxide, which is that horrible, damaging, evil and wicked (slight sarcasm intended) chemical, does honey damage similarly, only on a smaller scale? Or does the fact that it's honey and not a 30% or 40% solution of pure chemical reduce the damage to the point that it's not noticeable even after several treatments?

Please see this post, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=1757035&postcount=122 and the first post of this thread for further information, here http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=134083&postcount=1096 # 11. It contains a link to more information.

Please also see this thread, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=10495.

QueenOfTheSkye
September 16th, 2011, 04:10 PM
Thanks for soothing my worries!

ktani
September 16th, 2011, 05:16 PM
Thanks for soothing my worries!

You are most welcome!

Alex Lou
September 27th, 2011, 08:25 PM
ktani,

Thank you so much for all your hard work to bring us all this wealth of information and for keeping it updated! :flowers:

ktani
September 28th, 2011, 06:19 AM
ktani,

Thank you so much for all your hard work to bring us all this wealth of information and for keeping it updated! :flowers:

Thank you for telling me so. And you are most welcome!

I am not doing as much updating as I once did because of lack of time. However, I do know where to find things in this massive thread because I kept a list of information posts.

TheBluffs
October 3rd, 2011, 06:24 AM
I'm back to doing honey in hair. :wave: It works wonders in my hair, and is faster than the cinnamon lightning.
Is there anyway that I could eliminate all the stickiness that comes with the honey? It usually drips down my neck when in use.

ktani
October 3rd, 2011, 06:56 AM
Drips and doing roots tips can be found here, http://www.longhaircommunity.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1636351&postcount=4757

summergame
October 3rd, 2011, 11:03 AM
Do you need a special brush or can you get the same results when you just use your hands to put the treatment on? :)

snowfaery
October 13th, 2011, 09:34 AM
I've been doing a honey and cinnamon treatment now since last Friday. To date I've done 3 treatments, one Friday, one Monday, one Wednesday and planning to do another one tomorrow. I'm trying to take my hair from a dark brown just shy of black up to a light brown that I can put a red color on. My hair was in reasonable shape when I started but while it is lightening drastically I've been told it feels like it is frying my hair. The hair is softer but feels incredibly dry and looks super frizzed. Is this normal or am I possibly doing something wrong?

ktani
October 13th, 2011, 09:49 AM
I've been doing a honey and cinnamon treatment now since last Friday. To date I've done 3 treatments, one Friday, one Monday, one Wednesday and planning to do another one tomorrow. I'm trying to take my hair from a dark brown just shy of black up to a light brown that I can put a red color on. My hair was in reasonable shape when I started but while it is lightening drastically I've been told it feels like it is frying my hair. The hair is softer but feels incredibly dry and looks super frizzed. Is this normal or am I possibly doing something wrong?

It sounds like honey residue which is best removed with shampoo. Try that and see if it feels better. Just use your conditioner to follow or a diluted vinegar rinse first, then conditioner.

ktani
October 13th, 2011, 10:06 AM
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=134083&postcount=1096
"What has been reported occasionally is dry hair and crunchy ends. That is a honey residue result, and can easily be resolved by shampooing preferably, or a vinegar rinse. The effects are temporary when shampoo and/or vinegar are used, with shampoo being reported to work better than a vinegar rinse. Some honeys leave fewer residues than others."

Some honeys leave no appreciable residue. In only 2 cases as I recall was honey residue an ongoing problem.

snowfaery
October 13th, 2011, 10:03 PM
The honey I've been using is the Whole Foods 365 Organic Wildflower Amber Honey. Is this one of the ones that reported residue?

Additionally I'll try using a different shampoo and conditioner too. I've been washing it out with Suave Naturals Daily Clarifying Shampoo (rinse and repeat) and Conditioner. I hate how it smells and it seems to do as much damage as when I used 2 color removal kits in 1 day and because of it taking me to a 6 color hair dying it back to black brown in the same day.
I also have Aussie Cleanse and Mend which is also a double shampoo rinse and one conditioner rinse, thats what it seems to take to get all of the product out of my hair and use up the shampoo at the same rate of the conditioner. Normally it's 3 bottles of conditioner to 1 bottle of shampoo used.

ktani
October 14th, 2011, 03:42 AM
The honey I've been using is the Whole Foods 365 Organic Wildflower Amber Honey. Is this one of the ones that reported residue?

Additionally I'll try using a different shampoo and conditioner too. I've been washing it out with Suave Naturals Daily Clarifying Shampoo (rinse and repeat) and Conditioner. I hate how it smells and it seems to do as much damage as when I used 2 color removal kits in 1 day and because of it taking me to a 6 color hair dying it back to black brown in the same day.
I also have Aussie Cleanse and Mend which is also a double shampoo rinse and one conditioner rinse, thats what it seems to take to get all of the product out of my hair and use up the shampoo at the same rate of the conditioner. Normally it's 3 bottles of conditioner to 1 bottle of shampoo used.

Suave clarifying shampoo contains a polymer that leaves a coating of its own. I know it did cause a problem like that for at least one person.

There is no list of honeys that leave residue, just one from the UK that does not. It may be that honey leaves very little residue initially - you honey lightened 3 times close together though and the residue did not get a chance to be washed out over time. ETA: or it may be a combination of the honey and the clarifying shampoo or just the shampoo.

"Normally", you should not need to clarify following honey lightening. Residue from honey usually just washes out with most shampoos, based on reports.

Aussie Cleanse and Mend conditioner used with honey for lightening before conditioner was no longer recommended was reported to block honey lightening. The same honey was used with a different conditioner and honey lightening was achieved. It contains something that is not compatible. I do not know if the formula has been changed. This was some time ago.

TheBluffs
October 15th, 2011, 05:49 PM
Do you need a special brush or can you get the same results when you just use your hands to put the treatment on? :)
I've done both with a basting brush :p and my hands. Their is no difference, except that I find that you waste more with a brush. :)

summergame
October 16th, 2011, 07:29 AM
I've done both with a basting brush :p and my hands. Their is no difference, except that I find that you waste more with a brush. :)

Ok,thank you for your reply! :)

beeshair
October 18th, 2011, 05:47 AM
hello again!

just wanted to report that i've changed my method recently... i've probably done honey lightening upwards of twenty times within the space of three months, but i haven't really noticed a difference until the last month or so. from my experience, the most successful method has been the following:

– make sure hair is clean, as indicated at the beginning of the thread
– mix 3 1/2 - 4 tbsps of raw (preferably organic) honey mixed with 3/4 cup (metric) of distilled water with approximately 1 tbsp of EVOO (for any of you aussies on here, coles organic honey is my bet).
– let sit for upwards of five hours at room temperature with cling wrap over the top.
– apply half the mixture with a spray bottle and put a shower cap over it (i usually pour the dregs directly onto my hair once i've got the cap on)
– let sit for 30 - 45 minutes
– reapply half of the left over mixture to hair and let sit for another 30 minutes (i usually pour it on underneath the shower cap because i'm too lazy to spray it ha)
– repeat with the remaining mixture and wash

it's a fair bit of effort, but so far it's the only way that has repeatedly worked for me. my hair has gone from mid brown to dark blonde so far without any noticeable damage (i think).
but thanks so much to ktani for creating this thread – i'm so grateful people have taken the time to experiment with natural hair lightening recipes and are willing to share them with others! i know that if i hadn't found this forum, i'd probably have $500 worth of blonde highlights and very damaged, brassy locks aha.

ktani
October 18th, 2011, 06:06 AM
hello again!

just wanted to report that i've changed my method recently... i've probably done honey lightening upwards of twenty times within the space of three months, but i haven't really noticed a difference until the last month or so. from my experience, the most successful method has been the following:

– make sure hair is clean, as indicated at the beginning of the thread
– mix 3 1/2 - 4 tbsps of raw (preferably organic) honey mixed with 3/4 cup (metric) of distilled water with approximately 1 tbsp of EVOO (for any of you aussies on here, coles organic honey is my bet).
– let sit for upwards of five hours at room temperature with cling wrap over the top.
– apply half the mixture with a spray bottle and put a shower cap over it (i usually pour the dregs directly onto my hair once i've got the cap on)
– let sit for 30 - 45 minutes
– reapply half of the left over mixture to hair and let sit for another 30 minutes (i usually pour it on underneath the shower cap because i'm too lazy to spray it ha)
– repeat with the remaining mixture and wash

it's a fair bit of effort, but so far it's the only way that has repeatedly worked for me. my hair has gone from mid brown to dark blonde so far without any noticeable damage (i think).
but thanks so much to ktani for creating this thread – i'm so grateful people have taken the time to experiment with natural hair lightening recipes and are willing to share them with others! i know that if i hadn't found this forum, i'd probably have $500 worth of blonde highlights and very damaged, brassy locks aha.

Great that you found ways to make it work for you and fantastic as to your results.

And you are very welcome.

kionkichin
October 18th, 2011, 08:34 AM
Hi, i have a question, if i continue with the treatment my hair will light gradually? There's a limit about the lightment? thanks!! : )

Revontuletar
October 20th, 2011, 07:46 PM
I could not find distilled water in my nearest supermarket, but I did find this water http://www.pureau.com.au/net/why-pureau/the-pureau-process.aspx which is treated by filters and reverse osmosis to remove impurities etc. Would this be ok to use for honey lightening?

ktani
October 20th, 2011, 07:54 PM
The purified water sounds good. You want the least amount of minerals and a neutral or close to it pH of 7.

ktani
October 20th, 2011, 07:59 PM
The question of how light hair can go with honey lightening is a good one. Theoretically there is no ceiling.

In reality, it has to do with lightening of any kind that lightens pigment. It depends on the starting colour.

It is highly unlikely that one would be dedicated enough or want to keep honey lightening even with the best honey, to put their hair to that test.

Most people have a specific "wish" goal in mind and some have reached or exceeded it.

Revontuletar
October 21st, 2011, 10:33 PM
I have tried it several times but I am not noticing any difference at all. How many times do you have to do it for it to be noticeable?

TheBluffs
October 22nd, 2011, 02:35 PM
I have tried it several times but I am not noticing any difference at all. How many times do you have to do it for it to be noticeable?
How dark is your hair?

ktani
October 22nd, 2011, 03:01 PM
Some people have seen a difference with the first treatment, even on dark hair.

I should have specified henna in my above post. It can and has been lightened by honey lightening but it is all but impossible to 100% lighten to none left. Some B4 thread posts have taken certain hennas to new limits on that, one with honey lightening and conventional peroxide used too.

There are a number of variables that can result in no lightening, the honey, the recipe, the method, the water or conditioner if used, and what may be on the hair in terms of residue or build-up.

ETA: While henna indigo has been honey lightened, certain levels of 2 step henna indigo proved resistant to everything including bleach, in strand tests. Bleach turned it green. Honey lightening did not result in a green tinge when it successfuly lightened henna indigo.

Revontuletar
October 29th, 2011, 07:27 PM
Since it is raining outside at the moment, I was wondering if I caught the rainwater in a plastic container, would it be any good for honey lightening?

ktani
October 29th, 2011, 07:29 PM
Since it is raining outside at the moment, I was wondering if I caught the rainwater in a plastic container, would it be any good for honey lightening?

That would depend on how polluted it may be. I would not risk it.

ETA: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=1644931&postcount=58

Replacement link, http://www.smarterhomes.org.nz/water/collecting-and-using-rainwater/

summerstarlet
October 29th, 2011, 09:25 PM
I am looking to remove some old hair dye (a dark brown) and get to my natural light brown color. Would honey lightening work for me? Does honey lighten hair in a sense like bleach just less harsh?

ktani
October 30th, 2011, 12:47 PM
This thread should be watched and noted for future reference, http://www.longhaircommunity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80956

Everything else on Honey lightening, including how it can work on different shades of hair colour and types of hair colour, is in the first post of this thread.

There are pictures with the recipes used there as well.

Oksana
November 26th, 2011, 07:18 AM
I have just done honey lightening on my roots as they were looking quite dull compared to the rest of my hair which is very light from the sun. To say i am impressed is an understatement! As soon as i got out of the shower i could see the difference immediately.

My hair is still wet here but you can see how light my roots are:

http://imagehosting.nu/images/sam1585.jpg

ktani
November 26th, 2011, 08:23 AM
Wonderful news. Your hair looks gorgeous.

Of course everyone will want details. Care to share your recipe, and method?

ETA: and honey used

That is the only thing I still update - the Successful Honeys List for those who read it.

The only problem with that, is like conventional products, honeys are subject to change. Different blends from different sources can be used by the same brand and in the same type of honey.

Oksana
November 26th, 2011, 09:06 AM
Sorry Ktani, I can't give a brand name for the honey as it came from the bee hives we have at home :D

I used 2 tablespoons of honey, 1 tablespoon of cinnamon, 1 tablespoon of cone free conditioner and 2 tablespoons on distilled water.

I applied this to the first 2 inches (roots) and left for 1 hour. I then applied the left over solution to the rest of my hair and left for 10 minutes.

ktani
November 26th, 2011, 09:31 AM
Sorry Ktani, I can't give a brand name for the honey as it came from the bee hives we have at home :D

I used 2 tablespoons of honey, 1 tablespoon of cinnamon, 1 tablespoon of cone free conditioner and 2 tablespoons on distilled water.

I applied this to the first 2 inches (roots) and left for 1 hour. I then applied the left over solution to the rest of my hair and left for 10 minutes.

You obviously have great honey at your disposal. Interesting mix and the bottom line is, it worked well.

Thank you for the details!

Mixes and products can vary and can work well. The variables with conditioner made results on the whole inconsistent and that is why they are no longer recommended. Some conditioners blocked lightening, ETA: while a different conditioner worked well with the same recipe and honey.

The pH of the honey when diluted with water is a factor too.

Your recipe is unique and it worked wonderfully.

Crysania
November 27th, 2011, 06:13 PM
maybe it has been asked before but this thread is so huge and cant read it all ..

why not add a few drops of peroxyde from a bottle to the honey lightening mix ?

ktani
November 28th, 2011, 06:19 AM
For anyone new to this thread, most topics are covered in the first post of this thread.

Revontuletar
November 29th, 2011, 06:41 PM
Oksana, that is amazing! I'm still having an awful lot of trouble getting it to work for me, not to mention the trouble I have with the inevitable sticky, drippy mess that it tends to make:mad:

I got some of that Jarrah honey the other day and tried it with that but still didn't get any results :( I mixed it with cardamom and EVOO.

I think the next time I try it I need to try and make a less messy way of doing it. I'm basically mixing it into a bowl, drenching my hair in it, pouring the remainder into a swimming cap and then putting the swimming cap on my head. It drips everywhere and makes a horrid mess, so I have to do it in the bath and stay there for an hour hoping it will work, but I figured that would be the best way to make sure it was all wet. I read about applying the mixture with a brush, but I wasn't sure whether that would keep it wet enough.

Jessfoz
December 2nd, 2011, 02:19 AM
I know it says use on freshly washed hair, but I've got my mix recipe to do soon and I'm not sure if I actually need to wash it out after. I'm due for clarifying wash so should I do that first then the honey and then conditioner?

missoj
December 2nd, 2011, 03:23 AM
I feel so silly now a week and a half ago I dyed my hair with pure henna , but my bottom part of my hair has old black henna (not pure) which only shined red and my virgin hair came out a lovely deep auburn. A week later I decided to try the SMT. I only used the honey and conditioner because I couldn’t find aloe vera gel (my hair still came out soft and shiny though). Yesterday when I done my hair I realised my hair was no longer red but brown/black again with a tiny bit of red highlights at the bottom. Then I remember Ktani telling me in another thread that honey lightens hair. So I accidentally removed the henna from my :smh: I plan on getting more henna next week and redoing it.

ktani
December 2nd, 2011, 03:57 AM
I know it says use on freshly washed hair, but I've got my mix recipe to do soon and I'm not sure if I actually need to wash it out after. I'm due for clarifying wash so should I do that first then the honey and then conditioner?

I think that if you are due for a clarifying do that first, then honey lighten.

I believe this is what you may have read, but not all of it.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=134083&postcount=1096
"The hair should be freshly washed or rinsed first, if there is aloe gel on the hair (aloe gel contains Vitamin C), a Vitamin C containing leave-in treatment, heavy conditioner, a large amount of oil (a large amount of some types of oil will act as a barrier to the water), or styling products on the hair. If not, a honey lightening treatment can also be applied to wet or dry, unwashed hair."

Helenae
December 3rd, 2011, 02:08 PM
Not sure if someone has asked this, but is the honey-lightening a permanent effect on the hair? Do you have to keep doing honey treatments in order to maintain your lighter colour?

Also, how come there is no need to microwave/heat up the honey, when the other honey treatments require it to be heated? What difference does it make?

ktani
December 3rd, 2011, 02:15 PM
Not sure if someone has asked this, but is the honey-lightening a permanent effect on the hair? Do you have to keep doing honey treatments in order to maintain your lighter colour?

Also, how come there is no need to microwave/heat up the honey, when the other honey treatments require it to be heated? What difference does it make?

Yes, it is permanent.

You can do roots only.

You are getting confused. The SMT microwaving is done to ensure no lightening will happen, by attempting to destroy the enzyme in honey that produces peroxide, when honey is diluted with a liquid that contains water. It has failed to do so twice only that I am aware of to date. ETA: when microwaving has been done for at least 30 seconds.

Helenae
December 3rd, 2011, 05:21 PM
Oh thank you! I'm definitely going to try this complicated honey lightening process and keep my virgin hair :) I wonder if it will work on my dark brown colour.

ktani
December 3rd, 2011, 06:32 PM
Oh thank you! I'm definitely going to try this complicated honey lightening process and keep my virgin hair :) I wonder if it will work on my dark brown colour.

See the first post of this thread at the end for pictures. It has successfully been used on virgin dark brown hair.

Charlotte:)
December 5th, 2011, 12:47 AM
I'm curious as to how honey can lighten hair if it isn't raw. "Regular" processed honey has been cooked at a high temperature, so if heat destroys the peroxide how could it lighten hair, and why do people need to microwave it for SMT if it has already been cooked?

ktani
December 5th, 2011, 05:58 AM
I'm curious as to how honey can lighten hair if it isn't raw. "Regular" processed honey has been cooked at a high temperature, so if heat destroys the peroxide how could it lighten hair, and why do people need to microwave it for SMT if it has already been cooked?

Pasteurization does not heat honey long enough or at the temperature to kill the enzyme in it that generates peroxide. In all 5 Honey threads to date, more lightening has been reported from using cheap, store bought, pasteuized honey compared to those who used raw honey.

highlightedmess
December 8th, 2011, 07:36 PM
I just wanted to check in to this thread and say hi to everyone!

I'm a new member and I'm so happy to be here! After my last trip to the salon for blonde highlights a couple of weeks ago, I decided enough was enough.

A couple of weeks ago I was completely clueless about shampoos and 'cones and hair care in general. Other than getting highlights, I've barely paid any attention to my hair my whole life. I think the tipping point was realizing that my front center part of my scalp is missing a lot of hairs and getting very patchy. I can barely even put my hair up in a ponytail without having scalp show through.

Well I was always one to just jump right into the deep end of the pool so here I am doing something radically different all of a sudden!

I don't want to suddenly go back to my natural brown color so I'm hoping I can grow out the highlights while using honey or something similar to make it less noticeable and two-toned.

Is there anyone else here that has been in a similar situation? Any advice would be much appreciated!! Thank you so much!

highlightedmess
December 11th, 2011, 11:19 AM
Does anyone have any experience using honey on hair with bleach highlights? The only mentions I saw in the first post were related to honey over hennaed hair, etc.

If I use a brush to apply honey to the roots and underside of my hair only, do I need to be worried about it possibly reacting with the highlighted strands?

ktani
December 11th, 2011, 12:11 PM
Does anyone have any experience using honey on hair with bleach highlights? The only mentions I saw in the first post were related to honey over hennaed hair, etc.

If I use a brush to apply honey to the roots and underside of my hair only, do I need to be worried about it possibly reacting with the highlighted strands?

Honey lightening has been used in the past to lighten toned bleached highlights that were brassy. It lightened the colour and there was no reported damage. It has been used successfully on lightened hair, again, with no damage or reported problems.

highlightedmess
December 11th, 2011, 03:47 PM
Thank you ktani! I'm sure I'll have more questions though :D

I ordered a swim cap and I'm hoping to do a roots treatment next weekend.

ktani
December 11th, 2011, 08:10 PM
Thank you ktani! I'm sure I'll have more questions though :D

I ordered a swim cap and I'm hoping to do a roots treatment next weekend.

No worries.

Ask me and I will reply. ETA: I have read every post and kept records on all 5 Honey threads, this being the 5th as well as researched and put together the new dilution recipes, based on research.

Ask in general and others will reply.

Jenny86
December 12th, 2011, 12:56 PM
Hi everyone! Iīm a newbie here :)

Iīve been reading this thread and I did a strand test yesterday with Spanish Wildflower Honey, plain water & a little bit of cinnamon, but it didnīt work (I think I did something wrong although Iīve read it all carefully). So Iīve got a couple of questions (sorry if theyīre silly :():

The hair has to be wet, damp or dry before the application of the treatment?
When the water and honey have sit for 1 hour, should I shake the bottle so both "ingredients" mix well? Also, the final texture has to be watery or more runny like the honey?
When you finish applying the treatment in the hair, itīs better to wrap it with saran wrap and then put a shower cap for example, right?
Can I use my normal shampoo to wash my hair once I rinse off the lightening treatment, or is it better to just wash the hair with water?Lots of questions, I know, but I want to be sure about everything because the strand test wasnīt succesful :( (I was wondering if it didnīt work because I hennaed my hair but I saw the pics of other girls here who have hennaed their hair and it worked!) Thanks a lot and sorry for all the questions!

summergame
December 13th, 2011, 12:54 PM
Hi everyone! Iīm a newbie here :)

Iīve been reading this thread and I did a strand test yesterday with Spanish Wildflower Honey, plain water & a little bit of cinnamon, but it didnīt work (I think I did something wrong although Iīve read it all carefully). So Iīve got a couple of questions (sorry if theyīre silly :():

The hair has to be wet, damp or dry before the application of the treatment?
When the water and honey have sit for 1 hour, should I shake the bottle so both "ingredients" mix well? Also, the final texture has to be watery or more runny like the honey?
When you finish applying the treatment in the hair, itīs better to wrap it with saran wrap and then put a shower cap for example, right?
Can I use my normal shampoo to wash my hair once I rinse off the lightening treatment, or is it better to just wash the hair with water?Lots of questions, I know, but I want to be sure about everything because the strand test wasnīt succesful :( (I was wondering if it didnīt work because I hennaed my hair but I saw the pics of other girls here who have hennaed their hair and it worked!) Thanks a lot and sorry for all the questions!

I can answer on question one :): your hair has to be wet for applying the honeytreatment.
For the other questions i left it for someone else.

Jenny86
December 13th, 2011, 01:21 PM
Thanks summergame! Hope someone can answer to the other questions :)

ktani
December 13th, 2011, 02:30 PM
Hi everyone! I´m a newbie here :)


I´ve been reading this thread and I did a strand test yesterday with Spanish Wildflower Honey, plain water & a little bit of cinnamon, but it didn´t work (I think I did something wrong although I´ve read it all carefully). So I´ve got a couple of questions (sorry if they´re silly :():
The hair has to be wet, damp or dry before the application of the treatment?
If the treatment is made with honey and distilled water, your hair can be dry to begin with but it has to be and stay wet, during the treatment.
When the water and honey have sit for 1 hour, should I shake the bottle so both "ingredients" mix well? Also, the final texture has to be watery or more runny like the honey?
Yes, mix the ingredients and yes it can be runny like water. If the pH of the honey is higher than the average pH of 3.2-4.5, you can use less distilled water.
When you finish applying the treatment in the hair, it´s better to wrap it with saran wrap and then put a shower cap for example, right?
That is recommended to help prevent drips and is an option.
Can I use my normal shampoo to wash my hair once I rinse off the lightening treatment, or is it better to just wash the hair with water?
You can do either. If there is honey residue that I believe is caused by beeswax particles and the hair and ends feel dry, it is better to use shampoo. You can conditioner wash out a treatment as well.Lots of questions, I know, but I want to be sure about everything because the strand test wasn´t succesful :( (I was wondering if it didn´t work because I hennaed my hair but I saw the pics of other girls here who have hennaed their hair and it worked!) Thanks a lot and sorry for all the questions!

I replied this way to make it easier. And welcome to LHC!

Jenny86
December 13th, 2011, 03:45 PM
Thank you ktani! I will try it then on my whole hair in the next days and I will try to report here with photos :) Canīt wait to try this treatment! :cheese:

ktani
December 13th, 2011, 05:14 PM
Thank you ktani! I will try it then on my whole hair in the next days and I will try to report here with photos :) Canīt wait to try this treatment! :cheese:

You are very welcome. :)

isshevital
December 13th, 2011, 08:20 PM
Did my first honey treatment last night! I used generic "Value" honey from Kroger, distilled water, 1 tablespoon of cardamom, and 1 teaspoon of cinnamon. Actually, I mixed up a batch like this (2 tablespoons honey, 12 tablespoons water) and let it sit for an hour, then applied to my hair and realized I hadn't made enough, so I slapped on some saran wrap and mixed up the same amount again, without cardamom or cinnamon, and applied immediately. At first I had it in a water bottle and was pouring a bit onto my hand and then applying to my hair, but this was taking forever and also getting drips EVERYWHERE, so I just hopped in the shower and dumped it over my head. I then threw my hair up into a haphazard bun on top of my head, covered in saran wrap, put a large rubber band around the perimeter (kind of like a headband), covered that with a shower cap, and then wrapped an old sash around the edges to catch any drips. This actually worked out pretty well, the dripping was minimal at first and then completely stopped after about 20 minutes. I left it for an hour and a half while I took a nap. I CO-washed it out, and while my hair felt a little weird while wet, it dried without any stickiness or apparent honey residue, and feels incredibly soft. It's like I did an SMT on steroids. It does look a little lighter, although I think the real test is to do it 2 or 3 more times to be sure.

My only question: since I apply aloe vera as a leave-in almost daily, I had to rinse my hair beforehand. I rinsed with distilled water just to be sure I wouldn't have any minerals in my hair, but then I gently blow-dried until my hair was only slightly damp before applying the honey mixture. If I were to use tap water rather than distilled water to rinse my hair, and then blow-dry it until mostly dry, would that effect the honey? Doing it with room-temperature distilled water was really, really cold on my poor head!

ktani
December 13th, 2011, 08:50 PM
Issues with water often come up in this thread.

Some tap waters are fine with low mineral contents. They can work well with a honey lightening treatment. If tap water has been used prior to a honey lightening treatment, the mineral content should not matter unless there is mineral build-up.

The same applies to a Vitiamin C containing leave-in. The issue of build-up, whether from conditioner or a leave-in or hard water, may affect a honey lightening treatment, depending on how much build-up there is on the hair, not necessarily because of what kind of build-up, although that can be a problem too.

isshevital
December 13th, 2011, 09:47 PM
Good to know! Our water isn't particularly hard, and I definitely maintain my hair with regular clarifying and vinegar rinses, so I think I'll skip the distilled water rinse next time.

After seeing my hair in various lights, I decided that it is definitely lighter! I only wanted a subtle change, so I think I may only do 1 more honey treatment. Don't want to have to worry about maintaining my roots and whatnot.

Charlotte:)
December 22nd, 2011, 12:31 PM
Not all tap water is equal. Both the mineral content and the pH can vary.

Some tap waters have a very low mineral content and a pH of 7, making them perfect for honey lightening.

How does one find out what the mineral content and pH of their tap water is?

ktani
December 22nd, 2011, 01:27 PM
How does one find out what the mineral content and pH of their tap water is?

It can be online or you can phone the city/county department and ask for it. It is available. They test it frequently.

Revontuletar
December 23rd, 2011, 12:13 AM
I have just discovered the method of applying the mixture with a pastry brush with my hair in a bun to do just my roots. It has almost eliminated the mess problem for me! YAY!! Unfortunately I STILL don't think it is working for me :( I can't understand why, as I have read and re read the first thread and it seems like I am doing everything ok. I still am not noticing a change in my hair colour at all, even after using Jarrah honey mixed with cardamom and EVOO. It really is frustrating and very puzzling, I REALLY want this to work for me! ARGH!

Charlotte:)
December 23rd, 2011, 11:53 AM
It can be online or you can phone the city/county department and ask for it. It is available. They test it frequently.

Thanks! I'll try looking it up right now :)

ktani
December 23rd, 2011, 08:58 PM
Thanks! I'll try looking it up right now :)

You are very welcome.

woolyleprechaun
December 24th, 2011, 12:56 PM
ooooh, had some good results! Attempting to post pictures now :S

highlightedmess
December 26th, 2011, 03:43 PM
So I just attempted my first honey highlighting.

I can't tell if my hair looks lighter or not. I did 2 tablespoons of wildflower honey (local from the farmer's market), 3/4 cup distilled water and 1 tablespoon of cinnamon.

Don't think I will do the cinnamon again, what a mess.

I washed my hair with baking soda and rinsed with ACV prior to the treatment and I applied the treatment on mostly air dried hair.

Now my hair is super dry and crunchy and tangled. I just used water to wash the mix out. I really could use some good detangler ideas because my hair breaks off regardless of how I comb it. I think I'll be bald after trying to get these tangles out!

ktani
December 26th, 2011, 05:51 PM
So I just attempted my first honey highlighting.

I can't tell if my hair looks lighter or not. I did 2 tablespoons of wildflower honey (local from the farmer's market), 3/4 cup distilled water and 1 tablespoon of cinnamon.

Don't think I will do the cinnamon again, what a mess.

I washed my hair with baking soda and rinsed with ACV prior to the treatment and I applied the treatment on mostly air dried hair.

Now my hair is super dry and crunchy and tangled. I just used water to wash the mix out. I really could use some good detangler ideas because my hair breaks off regardless of how I comb it. I think I'll be bald after trying to get these tangles out!

Shampoo will remove the honey residue, which from the sound of it is what you have going on. You can deep condition afterward. Sorry to hear what happened.

ETA: I would also use a diluted vinegar rinse after shampooing and before conditioning to help with any further tangles.

ETA:2 If it is not too late, to detangle before washing your hair, slather your hair with a good detangler or conditioner. It may be that what happened was a too strong baking soda wash and a too weak vinegar rinse and honey residue. I would not try to detangle further without using something to lubricate the hair until it can be washed. Even an oil should help. You do not need to clarify again but it may take more than one shampoo to resolve the problem. Use a detangler in between washes if that is the case. Wal-Mart makes a good one under the Equate brand.

Shesta
December 27th, 2011, 05:33 AM
I'm considering doing the honey lightening tonight. 4x dilution, distilled water and a bit of EVOO. I'm only wondering how damaging it would be to my virgin hair.

ktani
December 27th, 2011, 07:11 AM
I'm considering doing the honey lightening tonight. 4x dilution, distilled water and a bit of EVOO. I'm only wondering how damaging it would be to my virgin hair.

Except for the odd report of mechanical damage from honey residue and one only report I do not have full details on since then, this post stands, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=287574&postcount=2323.

There have been no reports in other threads about honey lightening happening accidently and hair damage.

The 5 Honey threads to date including this one, with that one report exception do not have reports of hair damage from lightening.

Not all honeys leave a residue that is a problem and it can be washed out with shampoo, as stated.

ETA: In the vast majority of cases where there has been honey residue, no damage or long lasting effects were reported. These threads have been continued for ETA: 2 almost - 6 years and I have read every post.

Lilen4ik
December 27th, 2011, 07:27 AM
Hello ladies,

What a wonderful thread! :)

Does anyone know a hair salon that works with honey lightening in Toronto, ON? or a private specialist? I would very much like to try, but I cannot treat my hair by myself, and no one is to help me at home :(

thank you so much in advance for recommendations!

highlightedmess
December 27th, 2011, 08:26 AM
I ended up spraying my hair with some diluted Jason brand conditioner that I had. I was able to get it detangled that way.

I definitely noticed some residue still in my hair so I'll wash it again today and let you know how it turns out. I'm just trying to avoid using products on my hair.

I don't think the honey really changed much in terms of color but I guess I might need to do multiple applications for that.

I read an article on here about determining what is wrong with your hair and whether it needs protein/moisture, etc. but I haven't really been able to figure it out yet.

ktani
December 27th, 2011, 08:42 AM
I ended up spraying my hair with some diluted Jason brand conditioner that I had. I was able to get it detangled that way.

I definitely noticed some residue still in my hair so I'll wash it again today and let you know how it turns out. I'm just trying to avoid using products on my hair.

I don't think the honey really changed much in terms of color but I guess I might need to do multiple applications for that.

I read an article on here about determining what is wrong with your hair and whether it needs protein/moisture, etc. but I haven't really been able to figure it out yet.

I am relieved to hear that the conditioner worked. I would include one of the oils either extra virgin olive oil or coconut oil in your next recipe and try a different honey. It does not have to be raw or expensive. The Successful Honeys List may help, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=119128&postcount=856itamin although some of them may have been changed. I know Billy Bee honey is now a blend of other honeys not only Canadian honeys.

ETA: You can filter a recipe after it has been left to stand for an hour to develop peroxide if you want to avoid another cinnamon mess. Ground cardamom is reported to be easier to remove from the hair.

If you have not read it, here is the innovations post, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=578074&postcount=3712.

Good luck!

ETA: A recent roots only result on this page, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=148&page=488.

highlightedmess
December 29th, 2011, 06:37 AM
Now that I've finally washed all of the honey out of my hair, I do think my roots look a little lighter yea! :cheese:

I did the honey all over my head and it seems like the colors blend a little bit better now.

ktani
December 29th, 2011, 06:51 AM
Hello ladies,

What a wonderful thread! :)

Does anyone know a hair salon that works with honey lightening in Toronto, ON? or a private specialist? I would very much like to try, but I cannot treat my hair by myself, and no one is to help me at home :(

thank you so much in advance for recommendations!

I know of no salon that uses honey lightening in Toronto or a private specialist. The best I can recommend is to get a friend to help you, after reading the first post of this thread.

There are applications that are not too complicated. For example, a few people just sprayed the solution on their hair and continued to do so for the hour, to keep the hair wet. They did not cover the hair.

It depends on what you want to lighten. There are suggestions for doing roots too.

Please browse through the first post links and I will answer questions you may still have, after reading.

OakTreeGirl
December 30th, 2011, 08:32 PM
I tried putting honey into my hair for lightening this week. My natural hair colour is black or very dark brown. My goal is to make my hair light enough that henna can redden it. Right now, it seems to be working.

The first attempt was five days ago. I used 1:2 ratio of honey to water. (I was a bit overwhelmed by all the information available, and I think I just forgot to check the suggested ratio here.) I think it did work. I noticed some hairs were lighter when I looked closely in the mirror. My friends did not really notice, though.

Today I tried it again using a 1:6 ratio. I used tap water instead of distilled. It's hard water, so that probably wasn't ideal, but it's what I had to work with. I also added some crushed cinnamon to the mixture. I let it sit for an hour, applied it to my hair, and let it sit for another hour under a shower cap. I was concerned when it came time to rinse it. I normally use BS/ACV to wash. I wasn't sure if I should use more BS than usual to clean it out thoroughly, or whether using too much BS would upset the balance of my cleaning routine. I decided to stick to my regular amount. I first washed my hair thoroughly, running my fingers through it, to get the honey water out. Then I did my regular BS and ACV, washing thoroughly in between them.

When put the ACV in, something strange happened. I smelled peroxide! It wasn't very strong, but I did smell it. (At least, I think I did. Maybe I misinterpreted something else I was smelling? But I've never had that smell in the shower before, and I'm pretty sure it was peroxide. I've used hydrogen peroxide for laundry stains so I am familiar with it.) I wasn't sure what else to do other than keep rinsing it out. All I can think is that I must have not washed it out as thoroughly as I had thought earlier. I just kept washing until the smell went away. The texture of my hair felt different than it normally does. Before I came out of the shower, I ran my fingers through my hair the base of the hair seemed waxy. When I came out of the shower, the ends of my hair seemed a little dry. This isn't usually common for me.

When my hair was almost dry, I used my (clean) hands to gently rub down the length of the locks of hair to move the sebum down. My hair is dried now and it seems okay. It does not look particularly oily or greasy. I DO see some obvious lightening in the colour. My hair is now closer to dark brown than black.

So this seems to be working. I think the only thing I did wrong was that I did not wash out the honey thoroughly enough. It seems to be a bit complicated with no-poo. I think next time I might do two BS washes instead of one. (I will not change the concentration, though.)

If anybody has any suggestions or similar experiences, I'd love feedback!

VikingVampChick
December 30th, 2011, 09:34 PM
Thanks for posting this - I need to try the bs/acv afterwards. S

My hair is the same color as yours w/some grays. It takes the henna, but only shows up really well in the sunlight for the most part. The grays look coppery now. The honey treatments do lighten up the henna a little (I never do roots, just full-head), but that's not really a problem with me.



I tried putting honey into my hair for lightening this week. My natural hair colour is black or very dark brown. My goal is to make my hair light enough that henna can redden it. Right now, it seems to be working.

The first attempt was five days ago. I used 1:2 ratio of honey to water. (I was a bit overwhelmed by all the information available, and I think I just forgot to check the suggested ratio here.) I think it did work. I noticed some hairs were lighter when I looked closely in the mirror. My friends did not really notice, though.

Today I tried it again using a 1:6 ratio. I used tap water instead of distilled. It's hard water, so that probably wasn't ideal, but it's what I had to work with. I also added some crushed cinnamon to the mixture. I let it sit for an hour, applied it to my hair, and let it sit for another hour under a shower cap. I was concerned when it came time to rinse it. I normally use BS/ACV to wash. I wasn't sure if I should use more BS than usual to clean it out thoroughly, or whether using too much BS would upset the balance of my cleaning routine. I decided to stick to my regular amount. I first washed my hair thoroughly, running my fingers through it, to get the honey water out. Then I did my regular BS and ACV, washing thoroughly in between them.

When put the ACV in, something strange happened. I smelled peroxide! It wasn't very strong, but I did smell it. (At least, I think I did. Maybe I misinterpreted something else I was smelling? But I've never had that smell in the shower before, and I'm pretty sure it was peroxide. I've used hydrogen peroxide for laundry stains so I am familiar with it.) I wasn't sure what else to do other than keep rinsing it out. All I can think is that I must have not washed it out as thoroughly as I had thought earlier. I just kept washing until the smell went away. The texture of my hair felt different than it normally does. Before I came out of the shower, I ran my fingers through my hair the base of the hair seemed waxy. When I came out of the shower, the ends of my hair seemed a little dry. This isn't usually common for me.

When my hair was almost dry, I used my (clean) hands to gently rub down the length of the locks of hair to move the sebum down. My hair is dried now and it seems okay. It does not look particularly oily or greasy. I DO see some obvious lightening in the colour. My hair is now closer to dark brown than black.

So this seems to be working. I think the only thing I did wrong was that I did not wash out the honey thoroughly enough. It seems to be a bit complicated with no-poo. I think next time I might do two BS washes instead of one. (I will not change the concentration, though.)

If anybody has any suggestions or similar experiences, I'd love feedback!

OakTreeGirl
December 31st, 2011, 11:51 AM
Good luck, VikingVampChick. I hope it works out for you!

VikingVampChick
December 31st, 2011, 11:58 AM
What ratio of acv:water did you use? I go with 1-2 tablespoons acv to 1 cup water.

gogirlanime
December 31st, 2011, 12:40 PM
I'm starting this up again as one of my hair resolutions, did a treatment last night and I'm doing one every 3 days :)

ktani
December 31st, 2011, 12:57 PM
What ratio of acv:water did you use? I go with 1-2 tablespoons acv to 1 cup water.

That is very strong. I would use much less acv (apple cider vinegar) to water.

ETA: You do not necessarily need to wash out a honey lightening treatment. It can be rinsed or conditioiner only washed out too. Washing one out is when there is residue and you will not know that right away, in all cases.

You do not need to wash or clarify the hair first either in all cases. That is when there may be build-up on the hair or a leave-in with Vitamin C that cannot be rinsed all the way out.

ETA:2 Please read the posts and links on this page, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=84802&page=4. There are some very interesting posts on another forum regarding the strength of acv rinses. I linked to the thread there.

OakTreeGirl
January 1st, 2012, 10:41 PM
I just wanted to post a quick follow up. In my previous post, I'd mentioned smelling something strange after using the honey on my hair. I smelled it again today without using the honey, so it must be something else in my bathroom causing this smell. (I share an apartment with roommates, so I'll check with them.) This is a relief. :-)

almond
January 2nd, 2012, 08:07 AM
I just tried to use honey one my hair for the first time. The last 3-4 inches of my hair is quite dark, coated with old chemical dye and henna. I guess it will take a while to successfully lighten it.
I used 1/2 part honey and 1/2 part EVOO, left it on my hair for an hour. It was easy to wash out with conditioner and ACV, and with some coconut oil my hair is super soft now.
I don't see any change in the color yet - but since I see that the honey can be removed and doesn't cause damage, I will keep trying, next time I will add some ground cardamom.

ktani
January 2nd, 2012, 11:32 AM
I just tried to use honey one my hair for the first time. The last 3-4 inches of my hair is quite dark, coated with old chemical dye and henna. I guess it will take a while to successfully lighten it.
I used 1/2 part honey and 1/2 part EVOO, left it on my hair for an hour. It was easy to wash out with conditioner and ACV, and with some coconut oil my hair is super soft now.
I don't see any change in the color yet - but since I see that the honey can be removed and doesn't cause damage, I will keep trying, next time I will add some ground cardamom.

Try the new dilution recipes in the first post. Your recipe does not generate peroxide - oil contains no water.

Honey produces peroxide when it is diluted with a liquid that does contain water.

gogirlanime
January 2nd, 2012, 12:22 PM
I just tried to use honey one my hair for the first time. The last 3-4 inches of my hair is quite dark, coated with old chemical dye and henna. I guess it will take a while to successfully lighten it.
I used 1/2 part honey and 1/2 part EVOO, left it on my hair for an hour. It was easy to wash out with conditioner and ACV, and with some coconut oil my hair is super soft now.
I don't see any change in the color yet - but since I see that the honey can be removed and doesn't cause damage, I will keep trying, next time I will add some ground cardamom.

You'll be able to do it. This is how light my hair got after 20 honey treatments. It was dyed that dark brown

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/gogirlanime/honey_timeline_compair_02.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/gogirlanime/honey_0_treatments.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/gogirlanime/honey_now_02.jpg

ktani
January 2nd, 2012, 12:31 PM
You'll be able to do it. This is how light my hair got after 20 honey treatments. It was dyed that dark brown

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/gogirlanime/honey_timeline_compair_02.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/gogirlanime/honey_0_treatments.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/gogirlanime/honey_now_02.jpg

Great results! Yes - it can take time, lol. Your hair looks great!

almond
January 2nd, 2012, 12:41 PM
Try the new dilution recipes in the first post. Your recipe does not generate peroxide - oil contains no water.

Honey produces peroxide when it is diluted with a liquid that does contain water.
Thank you, Ktani! I read about it and then forgot that honey needs water to work. I checked the new diluton recipes and I'm going to try that way next time!

almond
January 2nd, 2012, 12:47 PM
You'll be able to do it. This is how light my hair got after 20 honey treatments. It was dyed that dark brown

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/gogirlanime/honey_timeline_compair_02.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/gogirlanime/honey_0_treatments.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/gogirlanime/honey_now_02.jpg
I see it really worked and it's definitely worth to be patient. Your hair looks amazing! :blossom:

ktani
January 2nd, 2012, 01:00 PM
Thank you, Ktani! I read about it and then forgot that honey needs water to work. I checked the new diluton recipes and I'm going to try that way next time!

You are very welcome.

I look forward to your results!

Piyo
January 3rd, 2012, 09:08 AM
Alright, my first honey mixture has been sitting for a half hour. Another half hour and I will start spraying it on! I took before pictures of my roots. I plan on leaving it in for 3 hours today.

I used the recommended dilution of 2 tablespoons of honey and 3/4 cups water. I used filtered bottle water, so I hope that works. I added a teaspoon of ground cinnamon. I hope that isn't too much.

Emaebe
January 4th, 2012, 10:08 AM
I did a honey, EVOO, and cinnamon treatment last night and my hair feels amazing today! I left it in for about 4 hours and then rinsed it out with CO. And I didn't dry my hair like I normally do before bed (I always wake up with half my hair flat and squashed and the other half megacurly), but I woke up to beautiful curls that were soft! I don't know if it's lighter or not (I have "honey colored" tones in my hair already and I always get exclamations from different stylists that women would KILL for my natural highlights lol), but my hair looks awesome today!

Do you guys think I could do this everyday or should it be a once a week treatment?

ktani
January 4th, 2012, 10:29 AM
I did a honey, EVOO, and cinnamon treatment last night and my hair feels amazing today! I left it in for about 4 hours and then rinsed it out with CO. And I didn't dry my hair like I normally do before bed (I always wake up with half my hair flat and squashed and the other half megacurly), but I woke up to beautiful curls that were soft! I don't know if it's lighter or not (I have "honey colored" tones in my hair already and I always get exclamations from different stylists that women would KILL for my natural highlights lol), but my hair looks awesome today!

Do you guys think I could do this everyday or should it be a once a week treatment?

You can do it as often as you like.

Emaebe
January 5th, 2012, 11:47 PM
Awesome! It made my hair really nice and it smelled really good afterwards too lol. My boyfriend kept leaning over and smelling my hair or touching it. And before he left he commented on whatever I had done to my hair that day was really nice.

PennyLaneDream
January 7th, 2012, 01:03 AM
Thinking of trying this tomorrow with added EVOO but not quite sure how to mix in the oil. Do I just add it to the honey and water? Will it mix properly?

PennyLaneDream
January 8th, 2012, 03:46 PM
Went ahead and did it anyways :p with fantastic results! my hair is lighter, softer, and shinier, thanks to everyone involved for this gorgeous recipe!

ktani
January 8th, 2012, 04:39 PM
Went ahead and did it anyways :p with fantastic results! my hair is lighter, softer, and shinier, thanks to everyone involved for this gorgeous recipe!

Wonderful news!

kionkichin
January 14th, 2012, 07:10 PM
You'll be able to do it. This is how light my hair got after 20 honey treatments. It was dyed that dark brown

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/gogirlanime/honey_timeline_compair_02.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/gogirlanime/honey_0_treatments.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b307/gogirlanime/honey_now_02.jpg

Nice results!!! Could you please share the exact method and measure you're using?

jenree
January 17th, 2012, 12:17 AM
would honey treatments lighten natural jet black virgin hair?

ktani
January 17th, 2012, 03:55 AM
would honey treatments lighten natural jet black virgin hair?

They can lighten any hair colour. Please see the picture posts in the first post of this thread at the end of it. Pictures often do not reflect true colour variances. However, they can be helpful in addition to what someone writes about that they and others in real life see.

Amber_Maiden
January 17th, 2012, 06:38 PM
Hi Ktani!

I am in need of your wisdom!!
I'm wondering if it's possible to use honey to lighten my hennaed hair that has been hennaed dark brown (Ingredients: http://www.rainbowresearch.com/product_info.php?products_id=89) and then dyed with dark brown herbal dye by Palette by Nature (Ingredients: http://www.palettebynature.com/v/product-5n.asp). I did it because my roots were coming in darker, but apparently they are now turning red again. I also miss henna and my red hair.
I'm wondering if it would be at all possible to lighten with honey? I want to do a honey mask (with any other additives you suggest) once a week on wash day. I'll also sit with it on my head for hours if need be. I want to get close to my old hennaed hair colour, and then henna again with a blend of cassia. I'm hoping to be able to do this by September of this year. What do you think?

Thank you in advance!
Amber

p.s.
This is my hair now:
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff519/shamber1/Photo8.jpg

This was my hair before:
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff519/shamber1/40374_10150229178030061_761790060_14068046_7198124 _n.jpg

ktani
January 17th, 2012, 06:59 PM
Hi Ktani!

I am in need of your wisdom!!
I'm wondering if it's possible to use honey to lighten my hennaed hair that has been hennaed dark brown (Ingredients: http://www.rainbowresearch.com/product_info.php?products_id=89) and then dyed with dark brown herbal dye by Palette by Nature (Ingredients: http://www.palettebynature.com/v/product-5n.asp). I did it because my roots were coming in darker, but apparently they are now turning red again. I also miss henna and my red hair.
I'm wondering if it would be at all possible to lighten with honey? I want to do a honey mask (with any other additives you suggest) once a week on wash day. I'll also sit with it on my head for hours if need be. I want to get close to my old hennaed hair colour, and then henna again with a blend of cassia. I'm hoping to be able to do this by September of this year. What do you think?

Thank you in advance!
Amber

p.s.
This is my hair now:
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff519/shamber1/Photo8.jpg

This was my hair before:
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff519/shamber1/40374_10150229178030061_761790060_14068046_7198124 _n.jpg

Yes, it is very possible. There are picture posts in the first post of this thread with recipes. The favored recipes for honey lightening hennaed hair include ground cinnamon.

I suggest first reading the first links in that post which will give you an idea of how the recipes are put together and then the innovations post for tips. For example, you can filter a recipe so that washing out cinnamon grains is not a problem.

Also, mind the cautions on patch testing for sensitivity, although using too much cinnamon is never good, even if you are not sensitive to it in a patch test. The same applies to ground cardamom, which has a higher peroxide value than ground cinnamon.

Amber_Maiden
January 17th, 2012, 07:01 PM
Yes, it is very possible. There are picture posts in the first post of this thread with recipes. The favored recipes for honey lightening hennaed hair include ground cinnamon.

I suggest first reading the first links in that post which will give you an idea of how the recipes are put together and then the innovations post for tips. For example, you can filter a recipe so that washing out cinnamon grains is not a problem.

Also, mind the cautions on patch testing for sensitivity, although using too much cinnamon is never good, even if you are not sensitive to it in a patch test. The same applies to ground cardamom, which has a higher peroxide value than ground cinnamon.

Will do! Thank you! You've given me hope!!!:D

ktani
January 17th, 2012, 07:05 PM
Will do! Thank you! You've given me hope!!!:D

You are very welcome :).

Amber_Maiden
January 17th, 2012, 07:33 PM
One more question :p
I went through the honey list... can't seem to find something like the honey I have.. Wondering if it's good. It's local unpasteurized honey (amber/honey coloured) and says crude honey on it. Doesn't say what if it's clover honey, etc... so I'm guessing since it's local it's just local flowers. Is that ok?

beachgirlla
January 17th, 2012, 09:27 PM
I did the honey treatment 7 days post my first henna last month, I wanted to lighten my henna and keep it in the orange range so I can henna again as I don't want to deepen the color of henna much, I did it 3 times in one week like how Katani advised, I used Manuka honey from wholefoods that is 16+ (expensive :(), I know that Manuka honey is good for cold and infection, way better than other types of honey so I figured this could be because of the peroxide?, who knows :), it did lighten my hair, you can see the color of the henna hair in my album there is a pic showing only my hair in sun, sorry I don't have many pics.
I just hennaed for 2nd time last Thursday, I'm planning to do the honey again for 3-5 times starting from this Friday, will report on my results :)

There are some people tried Vitamin C tablet, crushed them, mixed them with water and applied it to hair for 1-3 hours and reported that it had lightened their hair, hmmm

ktani
January 18th, 2012, 06:38 AM
One more question :p
I went through the honey list... can't seem to find something like the honey I have.. Wondering if it's good. It's local unpasteurized honey (amber/honey coloured) and says crude honey on it. Doesn't say what if it's clover honey, etc... so I'm guessing since it's local it's just local flowers. Is that ok?

In the first links in the first post, there are some honeys to avoid because of their Vitamin C content. You can try the honey you have. Canadian honeys have been reported online to have excellent peroxide values and a pH of around 6, so you may be able to use less water, which can make drips less of a problem. I cannot predict results though.

There has not been a reported difference between raw and pasteurized honeys in effectiveness for honey lightening. Both can work equally well.

Amber_Maiden
January 18th, 2012, 06:40 AM
In the first links in the first post, there are some honeys to avoid because of their Vitamin C content. You can try the honey you have. Canadian honeys have been reported online to have excellent peroxide values and a pH of around 6, so you may be able to use less water, which can make drips less of a problem. I cannot predict results though.

There has not been a reported difference between raw and pasteurized honeys in effectiveness for honey lightening. Both can work equally well.

Thank you again ktani! :D

ktani
January 18th, 2012, 06:42 AM
Lemon juice can lighten henna. However, the henna can redarken again and usually does, though not always to the original point. It is another option but should be done separately from honey lightening as Vitamin C depletes the peroxide level of a honey lightening treatment.

ETA: The lemon juice should not be used straight. It can be both damaging and drying if done so. It can be mixed with conditioner about 1 to 3, lemon juice to conditioner.

ktani
January 18th, 2012, 06:43 AM
Thank you again ktani! :D

You are very welcome again, lol. :)

Revontuletar
January 18th, 2012, 10:04 PM
I am thinking that perhaps it never worked for me because I could never really stop the insane dripping. Even when I wore double swimming caps it ended up all over everything. I wore a towel around my neck to soak up the drips and it ended up drenched in it, so perhaps my real problem was my hair didn't stay wet enough, even though I reapplied and re-capped regularly - every fifteen minutes or so. It still proceeded to drip out. If only there was a way to make it thick so it would actually stay in the hair! I don't know how you people do it, it's really hard!

B-L
January 19th, 2012, 01:18 PM
Is it possible to get ombre hairstyl with honey???


http://beautyeditor.ca/wp-content/uploads/Shenae-Grimes-Ombre-Hair.jpg

ktani
January 19th, 2012, 01:24 PM
Is it possible to get ombre hairstyl with honey???


http://beautyeditor.ca/wp-content/uploads/Shenae-Grimes-Ombre-Hair.jpg

I do not see why not. Check out Zenity's bagging a treatment, here,http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=578074&postcount=3712

Catia
January 21st, 2012, 11:51 PM
Ktani

I was wondering if salt would be advantageous to the production of peroxide in the dilution? Or if there is a trace amount of sodium lurking about in the other boosters negating it's need?

The reason I ask is that I've run across quite a few articles stating that honey aids in would healing because of the peroxide produced when in contact with saline solution.

Here is a good explanation here:http://www.prlog.org/10227103-the-hydrogen-peroxide-producing-capacity-of-honey.html

I stumbled across this info when I was searching out more information on honeys with high peroxide value. It seems many studies were done utilizing "normal" honey and Manuka with no further explanation. It doesn't seem that Manuka aids further in wound healing because of peroxide, but another variable entirely - therefore negating the expenditure for our Oh So Lofty Goal of hair color ;)

I'm just poking around with insomnia though. I was wondering what you thought?

Thanks! :flower:

ktani
January 22nd, 2012, 04:55 AM
Ktani

I was wondering if salt would be advantageous to the production of peroxide in the dilution? Or if there is a trace amount of sodium lurking about in the other boosters negating it's need?

The reason I ask is that I've run across quite a few articles stating that honey aids in would healing because of the peroxide produced when in contact with saline solution.

Here is a good explanation here:http://www.prlog.org/10227103-the-hydrogen-peroxide-producing-capacity-of-honey.html

I stumbled across this info when I was searching out more information on honeys with high peroxide value. It seems many studies were done utilizing "normal" honey and Manuka with no further explanation. It doesn't seem that Manuka aids further in wound healing because of peroxide, but another variable entirely - therefore negating the expenditure for our Oh So Lofty Goal of hair color ;)

I'm just poking around with insomnia though. I was wondering what you thought?

Thanks! :flower:

It has been discussed here, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=729232&postcount=4100

Catia
January 22nd, 2012, 07:56 AM
It has been discussed here, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=729232&postcount=4100

Oh, OK, Thank you :)

It's a monster thread so I didn't see it. Thank you ;)

ktani
January 22nd, 2012, 08:10 AM
Oh, OK, Thank you :)

It's a monster thread so I didn't see it. Thank you ;)

You are very welcome.

ktani
January 22nd, 2012, 08:42 AM
For every thread here, including this one you can search the thread once opened. There is a search this thread option at the top.

Just type in a keyword.

Catia
January 22nd, 2012, 08:54 AM
I read through the months of July and August 2009 surrounding the link you provided (I was just curious about the subject)

Given the dilution of human sweat (that you provided) it came down to something like 1/16th t. salt/cup approximately, I think.

That is really minute for sure.

I also saw what you had written about the researchers that utilized distilled water only, with the knowledge that distilled does contain sodium.

I know you already know this, of course :wacko:

I just enjoy and appreciate that you have included the scientific details behind the madness. Thanks again. :)

ktani
January 22nd, 2012, 11:38 AM
I read through the months of July and August 2009 surrounding the link you provided (I was just curious about the subject)

Given the dilution of human sweat (that you provided) it came down to something like 1/16th t. salt/cup approximately, I think.

That is really minute for sure.

I also saw what you had written about the researchers that utilized distilled water only, with the knowledge that distilled does contain sodium.

I know you already know this, of course :wacko:

I just enjoy and appreciate that you have included the scientific details behind the madness. Thanks again. :)

You are very welcome! and Thank you!

Honeylove
February 4th, 2012, 06:47 PM
Thanks so much for this thread and to all it's contributors! Lately I really want to be blonder again (my hair got darker over the years and is now a dark ash blonde) but I'm too afraid to use conventional bleaching products on my now mid-thigh hair. I'm going to try the recipes from this thread now!

I'd like to add to the distilled water sources here. In Germany, distilled water is available at supermarkets and drugstores. Look in the section for washing agents and iron aids, or else in the car accessories section.

In Spain, try the big supermarkets. Some convenient stores also offer distilled water, most likely in the car sections.

HollywoodRouge
February 5th, 2012, 03:17 AM
Hey guys, just wondering does the honey lightening work even more if you leave it on longer than the recommended 60 minutes? or does it make no difference / no notable difference?
Also just like to say, after only doing this 4 times, there is already a noticeable difference in the colour of my hair! + my hair has never been softer!
SO glad i discovered this place!

LadyCelestina
February 5th, 2012, 04:18 AM
Hello!
Glad I found this thread again :-D I was always curious about two things regarding honey lightening:
a) Is it possible for honey to damage your hair?
b)If you did honey treatments for a looong period of time,is it possible to bleach certain parts of your hair,say,from dark brown to blonde ?


I'm not going to try it,since I have no interest in lightening my hair,I'm just curious and sorry if this has been asked thousand times before :):o

ktani
February 5th, 2012, 04:20 AM
Hey guys, just wondering does the honey lightening work even more if you leave it on longer than the recommended 60 minutes? or does it make no difference / no notable difference?
Also just like to say, after only doing this 4 times, there is already a noticeable difference in the colour of my hair! + my hair has never been softer!
SO glad i discovered this place!

Some people prefer to leave the recipes on longer than 60 minutes. Different honeys have different peak and deline times for the peroxide they produce. It is up to you. Good luck!

HollywoodRouge
February 6th, 2012, 02:55 AM
Some people prefer to leave the recipes on longer than 60 minutes. Different honeys have different peak and deline times for the peroxide they produce. It is up to you. Good luck!
Ok thanks! I was also wondering if i could do the honey treatment, then use a purple shampoo (the ones to reduce brassiness) in my hair strait after in the shower?

ktani
February 6th, 2012, 03:37 AM
Ok thanks! I was also wondering if i could do the honey treatment, then use a purple shampoo (the ones to reduce brassiness) in my hair strait after in the shower?

Sure you can. No problem. And you are very welcome.

Helenae
February 6th, 2012, 04:53 PM
I would like to make sure I get the most effective honey to lighten my hair.

I read that Jarrah honey is the most effective? But then also Beechwood, Honeydew, Manuka?

Is Jarrah honey not the same as Manuka honey? What is the difference and which out of these is the most effective?

Also, if I leave it to sit for 7 hours as opposed to 1 or 2 - is the treatment more effective? Or is it more effective to do one application for 2 hours, rinse out then re-apply for another 2 hours?

ktani
February 6th, 2012, 05:50 PM
I would like to make sure I get the most effective honey to lighten my hair.

I read that Jarrah honey is the most effective? But then also Beechwood, Honeydew, Manuka?

Is Jarrah honey not the same as Manuka honey? What is the difference and which out of these is the most effective?

Also, if I leave it to sit for 7 hours as opposed to 1 or 2 - is the treatment more effective? Or is it more effective to do one application for 2 hours, rinse out then re-apply for another 2 hours?

Jarrah and Manuka are 2 different honeys from 2 different plant/tree sources. Jarrah honey has a higher peroxide value.

There is no reason in my opinion to leave a treatment on the hair for 7 hours. Shorter times should work just fine.

ktani
February 6th, 2012, 05:51 PM
Most questions are answered in the first post of this thread, for anyone new to the thread.

ETA: At the top of this and every page there is a "search this thread" function as well.

Helenae
February 7th, 2012, 05:25 AM
Thanks. I can't get hold of any Jarrah honey here in the UK because of crazy shipping prices. Is Manuka honey effective too? What other honeys have a high peroxide value (just under Jarrah honey)?

ktani
February 7th, 2012, 06:36 AM
Thanks. I can't get hold of any Jarrah honey here in the UK because of crazy shipping prices. Is Manuka honey effective too? What other honeys have a high peroxide value (just under Jarrah honey)?

Manuka honey is okay but it can be very expensive. Some of the cheapest grocery store honeys proved to be the most effective.

This list is in the first post of this thread, although honeys can change as to blends being used, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=119128&postcount=856itaminr

LadyCelestina
February 7th, 2012, 08:56 AM
Most questions are answered in the first post of this thread, for anyone new to the thread.

ETA: At the top of this and every page there is a "search this thread" function as well.

Thanks a lot for the tip :p ;)

ktani
February 7th, 2012, 08:59 AM
Thanks a lot for the tip :p ;)

You are very welcome. They (both options) make a monster thread like this less intimidating.

Helenae
February 7th, 2012, 09:39 AM
Okay thanks for putting up with my questions :) I want to make sure I get a honey with a high peroxide level, because the ones in the list for the UK are on a majority clear coloured honeys, rather than dark ones.

I think I'll will opt for honeydew - does that have a high peroxide level?

ktani
February 7th, 2012, 09:47 AM
Okay thanks for putting up with my questions :) I want to make sure I get a honey with a high peroxide level, because the ones in the list for the UK are on a majority clear coloured honeys, rather than dark ones.

I think I'll will opt for honeydew - does that have a high peroxide level?

Lots of people still get confused on that. It is about dark coloured honey blends, not single source honeys.

Look at the first post links and there are honeys to avoid, too.

No problem with the questions - I just worked really hard in setting up the first post so that it is a resource.

Helenae
February 7th, 2012, 10:00 AM
Oh okay! Thanks very much! I read all your posts in the first thread, they were very useful resources! I'll try to understand the honey blends as opposed to single source better, I guess that is what is confusing me.

ktani
February 7th, 2012, 10:11 AM
Oh okay! Thanks very much! I read all your posts in the first thread, they were very useful resources! I'll try to understand the honey blends as opposed to single source better, I guess that is what is confusing me.

No problem. I am glad that you found them helpful. I tried to make that (the colour and blends) clear. I guess it was most clear to me, lol. Sorry about that.

serin blackwood
February 7th, 2012, 06:53 PM
ktani, I wonder if you've had any experience with dried honey?

I've ordered some from here (a Canadian company!):

http://www.soapandmore.com/cart/product.php?productid=343&cat=0&page=3

I'm going to use it in an airing powder/dry shampoo recipe, thinking that it will add some nice honey benefits (antibacterial, antiseptic) as well as it's humectant properties.
What do you think?
(I know this thread is mostly geared toward natural lightening, but it IS the official honey thread :D)
Your opinion would be most welcome!
Cheers,
Serin

ktani
February 7th, 2012, 07:52 PM
ktani, I wonder if you've had any experience with dried honey?

I've ordered some from here (a Canadian company!):

http://www.soapandmore.com/cart/product.php?productid=343&cat=0&page=3

I'm going to use it in an airing powder/dry shampoo recipe, thinking that it will add some nice honey benefits (antibacterial, antiseptic) as well as it's humectant properties.
What do you think?
(I know this thread is mostly geared toward natural lightening, but it IS the official honey thread :D)
Your opinion would be most welcome!
Cheers,
Serin

As far a I am concerned this is a honey thread and to me that means all things honey. That honey powder is presented as a bit of a marketing stretch to me, used dry.

I am not sure what antibacterial benefits you would get in a dry format other than it not going bad.

As a dry shampoo, you are removing it. It is not going to remain on the hair to give you humectant properties. It has that on its own and the powder would draw moisture from the air and perhaps get sticky, kept out. I do not know what they are thinking other than it can be useful in that format to use in cosmetics.

Try it and see if you like it.

serin blackwood
February 7th, 2012, 08:09 PM
Hmmm, yeah it makes sense that it might get sticky. I would hate to have to wash it out since I'm experimenting with NW.

I might try it in some skin creams and in a coconut oil, baking soda deodorant recipe instead. It's possible that it's properties might actually be concentrated in dried form ( like what happens to dries fruits and veggies) and I'm especially hoping a wonderful honey smell!

I'll let you know when it shows up... thanks so much for your advice.

ktani
February 7th, 2012, 08:11 PM
Hmmm, yeah it makes sense that it might get sticky. I would hate to have to wash it out since I'm experimenting with NW.

I might try it in some skin creams and in a coconut oil, baking soda deodorant recipe instead. It's possible that it's properties might actually be concentrated in dried form ( like what happens to dries fruits and veggies) and I'm especially hoping a wonderful honey smell!

I'll let you know when it shows up... thanks so much for your advice.

You are very welcome.

It makes sense to me that it would be concentrated in that you will need to be careful with amounts used. By all means update here if you like.

A honey thread is a honey thread, lol.

maborosi
February 8th, 2012, 12:59 PM
I've been wanting to try this for a while. I have some indigo in my hair, which I bleached over back in November and ended up with patches of green. I know some people who probably did a 1-step process were successful in taking some indigo out, but what about someone who did 2step processes?

I mixed cinnamon and conditioner together last night, covered my hair in it, then wrapped it and left it overnight. I swear some of my highlights got lighter... Plus, my hair is super soft, even though I'd used a harsh clarifying method to remove buildup.

~maborosi~

PurplePenguin
February 10th, 2012, 02:49 PM
This was my first 'experiment' from the LHC vaults. DH almost had a laughing fit when I told him I was going to put honey (one of my most favorite foods) on my head. I measured everything out correctly, used an all natural dark honey, put a tbs of cinnamon and let the honey/cinnamon/distilled water mix sit for an hour. I then put it in the squirty bottles you use to dye your hair. I left it to sit for an hour. All I can remember thinking is 'I'm so glad I don't live near the woods, the bears would think I am food right now'. When I rinsed it out (btw, it took 2 days to get all of the cinnamon out, just a warning) my hair was a shade lighter AND very thick and wild feeling. I typically have thin hair so it was kind of cool but it really made my curly hair a wild mess.

ktani
February 10th, 2012, 04:21 PM
This was my first 'experiment' from the LHC vaults. DH almost had a laughing fit when I told him I was going to put honey (one of my most favorite foods) on my head. I measured everything out correctly, used an all natural dark honey, put a tbs of cinnamon and let the honey/cinnamon/distilled water mix sit for an hour. I then put it in the squirty bottles you use to dye your hair. I left it to sit for an hour. All I can remember thinking is 'I'm so glad I don't live near the woods, the bears would think I am food right now'. When I rinsed it out (btw, it took 2 days to get all of the cinnamon out, just a warning) my hair was a shade lighter AND very thick and wild feeling. I typically have thin hair so it was kind of cool but it really made my curly hair a wild mess.

How is your hair now? Have you washed and conditioned yet? You can filter a treatment before application so the cinnamon grains are not an issue.

PurplePenguin
February 10th, 2012, 04:47 PM
On day two my hair was a lot better though I must say it felt kind of cool to have wildly thick feeling hair. I conditioned it with coconut oil. I wish I would of thought of straining it ^.^ that cinnamon drove me nuts, I kept scratching my head to try to get it to come out.

ktani
February 10th, 2012, 06:22 PM
On day two my hair was a lot better though I must say it felt kind of cool to have wildly thick feeling hair. I conditioned it with coconut oil. I wish I would of thought of straining it ^.^ that cinnamon drove me nuts, I kept scratching my head to try to get it to come out.

I am glad that the treatment worked for you and that your hair is ok now. The first post of this thread has other helpful tips linked too and other innovative ideas by members here.

hototogisu
February 11th, 2012, 03:28 AM
So I'm considering trying honey lightening as a way to return to my virgin hair colour, and I have a few questions.

If you look at my profile, you'll see I colour my hair a level 8 copper. Naturally, I'm a very cool level 7 blonde, which means my regrowth is quite pronounced and looks greenish against the copper (I use regular chemical colour, fyi, not henna). I'm concerned all the colouring is making my hair loss worse, so I've resolved to go back to my natural colour this year.

My question is: is honey lightening a way to do this? Would it help cool down the copper colour at all? Is it problematic to use honey over a chemical dye?

My thoughts are I could try a honey treatment a week for a few weeks, and if I don't like it I could just put my regular copper colour back over it.

ktani
February 11th, 2012, 04:54 AM
For those new to the thread with questions about honey lightening, please refer to the first post of this thread.

The topics there cover everything from choosing a honey, to honey and red tones, to factors that influence colour, to application of a treatment and more.

There are pictures at the bottom of the post on honey lightening on virgin, colour-treated, hennaed and henndigoed hair.

hototogisu
February 11th, 2012, 05:43 AM
I read through all the links at the beginning of this thread and was still unclear on the questions I asked, as to whether it's appropriate to use honey lightening over chemical colour and whether honey lightening will cool down red tones. The answer at the beginning of hte thread just says honey won't *add* red tones.

ktani
February 11th, 2012, 05:48 AM
I read through all the links at the beginning of this thread and was still unclear on the questions I asked, as to whether it's appropriate to use honey lightening over chemical colour and whether honey lightening will cool down red tones. The answer at the beginning of hte thread just says honey won't *add* red tones.

Honey lightening can take the hair through the natural lightening process of lightening any hair colour - black to brown to red to gold to blonde.

It has been reported to lighten/remove brassiness or gold from highlighted hair.

However, there are factors that influence changing an existing colour, whether it is artificial or natural, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=291820&postcount=2342.

The links in the first post are described by topic.

ETA: In other words it is possible in my opinion but the factors have to be taken into consideration. I cannot predict results.

ETA:2 Not as easily found on the topic you want but relevant, also from the first post, honey lightening successfully "removed" the red/gold tones produced by cassia. http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=13332

ETA:3 This is also under "Frequently asked about topics" - Honey lightening and red tones,
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=291213&postcount=2340

I hope this helps you.

beachgirlla
February 11th, 2012, 09:46 AM
Sitting here with another honey on my head :D, did henna over 2 weeks back, changing my next henna to Jamila, that's why I'm trying to get ride of some of henna to see how the Jamila will look like, I may have to do 2 more before this Thursday as that is the day I'm planning to put the Jamila henna on :cheese:

rstuart1
February 13th, 2012, 06:29 PM
Thanks for putting this up Ktani!

ktani
February 13th, 2012, 06:57 PM
Thanks for putting this up Ktani!

You are very welcome.

Zefyra
February 13th, 2012, 07:33 PM
This is all very interesting. I read the FAQ, but it didnt quite answer a question I have. (Or if it did I didnt register it Im too sleep deprived :D).. I have several layers of black under henna, will honey affect the henna as well or is it too permanent to be greatly affected by the honey, in general? I dont mind if the henna ends up being lightened along with the black dye, Im just curious. I mostly would just like to lighten the midlentghs a bit to blend the colours a bit if such a thing were possible... Just trying to gather as much information as I can. This whole thread is amazing, if a little overwhelming to sift through... Thanks for any replies.

hototogisu
February 14th, 2012, 01:46 AM
I'm taking the plunge! I combined 50g honey + 200g distilled water + 2 tsp cinnamon + 2 tsp cardamom + 1 tsp olive oil in a squirt bottle. I'm about to hop in the shower to wash my hair with a chelating shampoo, and then I'll apply the lot in sections and let it sit for two hours. Super excited!

hototogisu
February 14th, 2012, 03:03 AM
Okay, so I just applied the mixture to my hair. I'm actually really shocked at how drippy it is! At first I tried putting a shower cap over my wet hair, but it just dripped out. Then I awkwardly wrapped plastic wrap around my head and covered it with a towel, which seems to have stopped the dripping, but it'll be kind of uncomfortable for two hours.

I'm really excited to see the results. I'm hoping to do six treatments over the next two weeks. Hopefully I'll get better at application and so on.

ktani
February 14th, 2012, 03:09 AM
This is all very interesting. I read the FAQ, but it didnt quite answer a question I have. (Or if it did I didnt register it Im too sleep deprived :D).. I have several layers of black under henna, will honey affect the henna as well or is it too permanent to be greatly affected by the honey, in general? I dont mind if the henna ends up being lightened along with the black dye, Im just curious. I mostly would just like to lighten the midlentghs a bit to blend the colours a bit if such a thing were possible... Just trying to gather as much information as I can. This whole thread is amazing, if a little overwhelming to sift through... Thanks for any replies.

This may help you, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpost.php?p=1995574&postcount=44

hototogisu
February 14th, 2012, 05:08 AM
I've rinsed my hair, and I'm now waiting for it to dry. First impressions: my hair feels THICK. After towel drying it's stayed in this big, wavy clumps. My hair hasn't done that in years. Maybe it's the honey residue?

I can't say I've noticed that my hair is lighter, but it's still wet. I asked my partner* and he says he thinks my hair is lighter, but he might just be humouring me.

A thought: what if I steeped chamomile flowers in the distilled water and used that in my next treatment? Would that help speed the lightening process?

I think next time I'll also use a lot more cinnamon, maybe 2 tbsp rather than 2 tsp.

* sorry, I can't stomach acronyms like DBF and DH

ktani
February 14th, 2012, 05:55 AM
I've rinsed my hair, and I'm now waiting for it to dry. First impressions: my hair feels THICK. After towel drying it's stayed in this big, wavy clumps. My hair hasn't done that in years. Maybe it's the honey residue?

I can't say I've noticed that my hair is lighter, but it's still wet. I asked my partner* and he says he thinks my hair is lighter, but he might just be humouring me.

A thought: what if I steeped chamomile flowers in the distilled water and used that in my next treatment? Would that help speed the lightening process?

I think next time I'll also use a lot more cinnamon, maybe 2 tbsp rather than 2 tsp.

* sorry, I can't stomach acronyms like DBF and DH

Try chamomile separately. It is no longer recommended for honey lightening recipes for 2 reasons. 1 - it can leave a gold tone and 2 its pH can lower that of a recipe - a pH of 6 is best for a honey to produce its maximum peroxide level.

hototogisu
February 14th, 2012, 01:42 PM
UPDATE: My hair still feels THICK! And it's definitely lighter. I plan on doing a treatment before each wash until it's light enough. Thank you so much for all your work, Ktani! I'm really grateful to have found this treatment.

ktani
February 14th, 2012, 01:45 PM
UPDATE: My hair still feels THICK! And it's definitely lighter. I plan on doing a treatment before each wash until it's light enough. Thank you so much for all your work, Ktani! I'm really grateful to have found this treatment.

You are very welcome.