Deva cut for very very slightly wavy hair?

[Kapri]

Dear all,

I have very fine hair which is wavy when damp but the waves fall out when the hair is dry or end up as frizz. I have my hair cut blunt in a shoulder length style.

Have any of you with very slightly wavy hair tried or experimented with a Deva cut? I asked a London hairdresser but she said the only way to find out would be to try out a cut. I don't know I want to take the chance.

Kapri:rolleyes:

[Beeboo123]

If my hair was only slightly wavy, (1c or 1c/2a) I wouldn’t bother, it’s not going to make much of a difference

[lapushka]

No see, the thing about curly hair is, that it has quite a "fixed" pattern; lots of single strands that form "clumps". Wavy hair doesn't do that, unless maybe 2c almost 3a hair. Wavy hair barely forms "clumps", which means it lays differently every time it gets combed or washed, so you can't "cut" that dry or you will end up with a terribly wonky cut... if I'm making myself at all clear in any way? :hmm:

ETA: I would not trust those that are trying to sell you a deva (expensive) cut on dry barely wavy hair... I wouldn't. I would just get a wet cut.

And especially at chin to shoulder... no; just: no!

[chomsky]

Deva Cuts can make curly hair really wonky if worn straight/stretched. The shape can be nice but for me, not worth it. They are also a lot of money, holy cow, why?

Since your hair is close to straight already the cut will be more apparent and will probably make your hair lopsided. Just stick to a regular cut.

[nycelle]

Like Lapushka said, "just no."

Deva cut, and Oudiad cut are all for curls. They would look like a chop job on 1a/b/c or 2a/b and most 2/c as well. I'd be surprised if these cuts even give straight, or wavy hair even looking hemlines, layers or angles. The entire point is to cut specifically for each curl.
Straight and wavy doesn't get handled in the same manner.

[AutobotsAttack]

Deva Cuts can make curly hair really wonky if worn straight/stretched. The shape can be nice but for me, not worth it. They are also a lot of money, holy cow, why?

Since your hair is close to straight already the cut will be more apparent and will probably make your hair lopsided. Just stick to a regular cut.

How much do those cuts run for?

[Glitch]

How much do those cuts run for?

Certified DevaCurl stylists have their own prices (the stylist in my city charges $80 -I've seen much worse and much better). At any actual Deva salon, it's much higher, typically around $150+ (the most I've seen so far is $200). While these prices vary, it's generally an expensive cut.

[leayellena]

Wait a minute! You typed your hair as 1a on your profile! Do you even realize that 1a is stick straight?! On straight hair each and every irregularity can be seen. Yes, even 1 cm! If you have 1c yes it's straight but it can go 2a or 2c if the haircut is right and your fine strands can actually hold a curl (irregular haircuts won't hold curls lol). Plus the price for such snip snip for an hour straight is really irrational. Forget it. I've read about this hype, even curlies complain they don't have their hair long enough to tuck it into the most basic messy bun.

[lapushka]

Wait a minute! You typed your hair as 1a on your profile! Do you even realize that 1a is stick straight?! On straight hair each and every irregularity can be seen. Yes, even 1 cm! If you have 1c yes it's straight but it can go 2a or 2c if the haircut is right and your fine strands can actually hold a curl (irregular haircuts won't hold curls lol). Plus the price for such snip snip for an hour straight is really irrational. Forget it. I've read about this hype, even curlies complain they don't have their hair long enough to tuck it into the most basic messy bun.

And it's not like you can do a bun on shoulder length hair... at least that's something I can't do. :shrug:

You're right, OP has stated 1a on her profile (click through to the "about me" section, I think it's not underneath the avatar because the last classifier, the thickness is missing).

[OhSuzi]

So, I’ve wondered about a Deva Cut as well I have 2 b / c hair whurly wave to spirally curly – definitely not polker straight and definitely not tight defined curls that you can stretch out and then they ping back into place.

So I googled it first and discovered ‘Deva Cut’ is more the name for the hairdressers shop & their technique for getting the most from curly hair rather than 1 specific style.
They say you have to wash your hair & let it dry in its usual curly way without products - & then they look at each individual curl & cut each one separately so that the overall hair do is level. (I’m very much paraphrasing from memory – google devacut for their specific technique)
I have also read on the internet – so it must be true - that they have turned peopple away because their hair is not curly enough to warrant a devacut.

So you could always turn up with your hair washed & scrunched into its curliest and ask them if it warrants a cut.
But Yep as they have cut specifically whilst curly – when straight it might look all kinds of uneven.

Possible Alternatives - perhaps if you already have a nice hair dresser you trust, ask them to cut your hair in a way that helps emphasise the curl –
This is what I ask for and I get it cut (& styled whilst at its straightest so it looks neat either way) at an angle, so you don’t lose the current length but you get layers - the strongest bit of the whurl is at the ends of the hair where its lightest, so the short top layer whurls and leads into the next length of whurls, then the bottom of my hair whurls creating a spirally curl if I let my hair dry natural /give it some curly techniques -

Plopping and scrunch drying with hair dryer on cold with the timiest bit of hair wax has made the most of the curlyness in my hair – although it only lasts for a day.

There’s lots of threads on curly girl method and other curly techniques if you want to make the most of them.

[chomsky]

How much do those cuts run for?

Yeah, like Glitch said, quite pricey. The cheapest I've seen here in London is £115.

I pay the same for an "executive stylist" at the Aveda Institute, and you get a massage. :lol:

[wo]

Even as a curly, I was disappointed with deva cuts. As a teen with 3b hair at the time, I got several deva cuts from different salons, and sometimes I traveled pretty far to go to a deva certified stylist. But every time, I was given a very round 'ball of curls' haircut, no matter what length. They cut all over, leaving curls popping out everywhere with no length or flow to the hair. As a wavy, I agree with the others, that the method doesn't even make sense for waves. I prefer a normal wet cut for sure.

[chomsky]

Even as a curly, I was disappointed with deva cuts. As a teen with 3b hair at the time, I got several deva cuts from different salons, and sometimes I traveled pretty far to go to a deva certified stylist. But every time, I was given a very round 'ball of curls' haircut, no matter what length.They cut all over, leaving curls popping out everywhere with no length or flow to the hair. As a wavy, I agree with the others, that the method doesn't even make sense for waves. I prefer a normal wet cut for sure.

I've seen this too, everyone that gets a Deva Cut comes out with a ball for hair. It's not always the most flattering for the hair type either. It's like they only know one shape, the faux fro.

[Kapri]

Thanks - helpful to know.

[Kapri]

Lapushka - that makes sense to me - a great explanation. Thank you!

[Kapri]

Many thanks also! So glad I'm not missing a trick by having normal straight hair cuts!

[Kapri]

Leayellena... good point! I must change my profile. I only recently discovered that my s-waves counted as something. Thank you too for the explanation -helpful!

[Kapri]

I think I'll go for styling approaches rather than a cut as a result of this discussion Ohsuzi...again I am most appreciative. One less thing to try out!

[Kapri]

I think now that I am a 2a/b. It for sure is not poker straight!

[lapushka]

I think now that I am a 2a/b. It for sure is not poker straight!

That is a really pretty texture, and if your hair is "only" shoulder, watch it maybe develop into a tighter texture with length. Normally 2a/b hair barely shows itself at that length, so I'm thinking you might be even more wavy than you think. :flower:

[SeRe]

No see, the thing about curly hair is, that it has quite a "fixed" pattern; lots of single strands that form "clumps". Wavy hair doesn't do that, unless maybe 2c almost 3a hair. Wavy hair barely forms "clumps", which means it lays differently every time it gets combed or washed, so you can't "cut" that dry or you will end up with a terribly wonky cut... if I'm making myself at all clear in any way? :hmm:

ETA: I would not trust those that are trying to sell you a deva (expensive) cut on dry barely wavy hair... I wouldn't. I would just get a wet cut.

And especially at chin to shoulder... no; just: no!

Very true. I keep wondering why my hair looks slightly different everyday. Yesterday it was looking like 1a hair, today it's looking like 2a hair. And tomorrow, it might look like 1c hair, who knows? Just when I think I've figured out how to make my hair "behave", it changes its mind!

[Glitch]

Very true. I keep wondering why my hair looks slightly different everyday. Yesterday it was looking like 1a hair, today it's looking like 2a hair. And tomorrow, it might look like 1c hair, who knows? Just when I think I've figured out how to make my hair "behave", it changes its mind!

I sometimes experience that as well. On a trip a while back, it drove me crazy. One day I would have 1c hair, and after a snorkelling session it would suddenly be a very clumpy, difficult 2c/3a texture (which I have never experienced in my entire life, childhood included! Maybe it's why it was shocking and difficult to me. I think it had something to do with all the salt content in the water, but who knows)

My friends thought it was pretty strange too. Anyway, nothing that drastic has happened since then, but my hair does have a mind of its own :angry: It doesn't help that my hair is naturally 1a to my ears, and then pretty wavy, wild and wandering from there. I wish it would just make up its mind :shrug:

[SeRe]

I sometimes experience that as well. On a trip a while back, it drove me crazy. One day I would have 1c hair, and after a snorkelling session it would suddenly be a very clumpy, difficult 2c/3a texture (which I have never experienced in my entire life, childhood included! Maybe it's why it was shocking and difficult to me. I think it had something to do with all the salt content in the water, but who knows)

My friends thought it was pretty strange too. Anyway, nothing that drastic has happened since then, but my hair does have a mind of its own :angry: It doesn't help that my hair is naturally 1a to my ears, and then pretty wavy, wild and wandering from there. I wish it would just make up its mind :shrug:

I know how you feel.

What is your hair routine right now?

[Glitch]

I know how you feel.

What is your hair routine right now?

I shampoo + condition every 2-3 days, gently detangle damp hair (takes like 10 seconds with a wide tooth comb, and my hair "becomes" 1b), spray in argon oil, and let it dry stretched over a shoulder. This way it generally dries and stays pretty straight until the next wash. My hair, though it changes, has always been easy to manipulate. It's hard to believe how wavy it can get if I don't do anything. Maybe I'll eventually embrace the waves/let it dry as it is, but I just got over a serious heat straightening addiction so this is good enough for now ;)

How about you? Congrats on achieving TBL hair! :flower:

[SeRe]

I shampoo + condition every 2-3 days, gently detangle damp hair (takes like 10 seconds with a wide tooth comb, and my hair "becomes" 1b), spray in argon oil, and let it dry stretched over a shoulder. This way it generally dries and stays pretty straight until the next wash. My hair, though it changes, has always been easy to manipulate. It's hard to believe how wavy it can get if I don't do anything. Maybe I'll eventually embrace the waves/let it dry as it is, but I just got over a serious heat straightening addiction so this is good enough for now ;)

How about you? Congrats on achieving TBL hair! :flower:

Thank you. Can you explain what you mean by let it dry stretched over the shoulder?

My routine is - Oil overnight, every alternate night and shampoo and condition the next morning, so I end up washing ever alternate day. I use a leave in serum and a leave in conditioner. Let it air dry.

I never heat style, the last time I used a straightener was 7 years ago.

I am at TBL but I plan to cut 1-2 inches and maintain waist length hair. The reason is I wear it down a lot, so it needs to be a manageable length.

Your hair looks fully straight in your pic. You have very nice hair :-)

[leayellena]

Even as a curly, I was disappointed with deva cuts. As a teen with 3b hair at the time, I got several deva cuts from different salons, and sometimes I traveled pretty far to go to a deva certified stylist. But every time, I was given a very round 'ball of curls' haircut, no matter what length. They cut all over, leaving curls popping out everywhere with no length or flow to the hair. As a wavy, I agree with the others, that the method doesn't even make sense for waves. I prefer a normal wet cut for sure.

The haircut you described is like my mom's! She doesn't go to a Deva cut specialist, she just ask for "a short haircut but not too short so my hair can hold a curl" 20€ or cca. 30$
It's a wonder how I got 1c (possibly 1c/2a). My flyaways are sometimes stick straight or bent a bit without forming an s.

ETA for those who would like a probable alternative to Deva cut... My mom's haircut. Note: she is not my mom, I just saved a random pic...
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30409&d=1519398077

[Lady Stardust]

The haircut you described is like my mom's! She doesn't go to a Deva cut specialist, she just ask for "a short haircut but not too short so my hair can hold a curl" 20€ or cca. 30$
It's a wonder how I got 1c (possibly 1c/2a). My flyaways are sometimes stick straight or bent a bit without forming an s.

ETA for those who would like a probable alternative to Deva cut... My mom's haircut. Note: she is not my mom, I just saved a random pic...
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30409&d=1519398077

Hey that's Molly Ringwald! That style is exactly the one many teenage girls tried to replicate in the mid to late 80s. Ah I've gone all nostalgic...briefly...

[Glitch]

Thank you. Can you explain what you mean by let it dry stretched over the shoulder?

My routine is - Oil overnight, every alternate night and shampoo and condition the next morning, so I end up washing ever alternate day. I use a leave in serum and a leave in conditioner. Let it air dry.

I never heat style, the last time I used a straightener was 7 years ago.

I am at TBL but I plan to cut 1-2 inches and maintain waist length hair. The reason is I wear it down a lot, so it needs to be a manageable length.

Your hair looks fully straight in your pic. You have very nice hair :-)

Yeah sure! Essentially, after gently combing it straight, I move my hair in gentle twist motions. I'll just use Lana as an example. At the start, the wet twists look something like (except of course, wet and thinner): https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bb/8f/f1/bb8ff161957c48664dfd7ff0965ea0a9.jpg

Sometimes I switch the hair over to the other shoulder and do the same thing. If I see any frizz or a hair piece that's not drying how I want it to, I just spray in some argon oil and repeat. I'll continue with the loose twist motions every once in a while to keep everything stretched, so it dries like: https://simages.wigsbuy.com/Upload/Image/2017/39/watermark/547b2783-4fed-42bb-9084-44370b862815.jpg

If it's not straight enough (but usually it is), then I'll gently brush through it and throw it in a very high bun for ~10 mins, which usually gets rid of any harsh crinkles on the length (that's what I did for my sig photo). And after a night's sleep on a silk pillow on the loose hair, it will be quite straight, and smoother, in the morning.

So awesome that you've avoided heat styling for 7 years! No wonder it has grown so much :D I also wear my hair down pretty much every single day, so I probably won't grow mine super long. Thank you so much! :heartbeat

[SeRe]

Yeah sure! Essentially, after gently combing it straight, I move my hair in gentle twist motions. I'll just use Lana as an example. At the start, the wet twists look something like (except of course, wet and thinner): https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bb/8f/f1/bb8ff161957c48664dfd7ff0965ea0a9.jpg

Sometimes I switch the hair over to the other shoulder and do the same thing. If I see any frizz or a hair piece that's not drying how I want it to, I just spray in some argon oil and repeat. I'll continue with the loose twist motions every once in a while to keep everything stretched, so it dries like: https://simages.wigsbuy.com/Upload/Image/2017/39/watermark/547b2783-4fed-42bb-9084-44370b862815.jpg

If it's not straight enough (but usually it is), then I'll gently brush through it and throw it in a very high bun for ~10 mins, which usually gets rid of any harsh crinkles on the length (that's what I did for my sig photo). And after a night's sleep on a silk pillow on the loose hair, it will be quite straight, and smoother, in the morning.

So awesome that you've avoided heat styling for 7 years! No wonder it has grown so much :D I also wear my hair down pretty much every single day, so I probably won't grow mine super long. Thank you so much! :heartbeat

Thank you :-) I want to try argan oil but I'm not sure if it will make my hair greasy. I guess there is no harm in buying a bottle and finding out.

I didn't think twists could make hair straighter! I should try it :-)

[Glitch]

Thank you :-) I want to try argan oil but I'm not sure if it will make my hair greasy. I guess there is no harm in buying a bottle and finding out.

I didn't think twists could make hair straighter! I should try it :-)

You're welcome! And surprisingly, argon oil is extremely light weight (at least the spray version). My hair drinks it up without getting greasy -the one I have is actually supposed to be used on dry hair, but I mainly use it on pretty damp hair and it kicks all the frizz etc. Just don't spray directly at the roots and hopefully it works for you too :) If not, I haven't experimented with anything else yet, but I'm sure there are many other options as well. *Oh and one more thing I'd like to quickly add! It took me a few tries before I "nailed it" so don't worry. At first, a single long twist is what worked for me until I found that many twists worked better. So just see what works!

I didn't know either, I "discovered" it by accident one day haha! Have fun :flower:

[SeRe]

You're welcome! And surprisingly, argon oil is extremely light weight (at least the spray version). My hair drinks it up without getting greasy -the one I have is actually supposed to be used on dry hair, but I mainly use it on pretty damp hair and it kicks all the frizz etc. Just don't spray directly at the roots and hopefully it works for you too :) If not, I haven't experimented with anything else yet, but I'm sure there are many other options as well. *Oh and one more thing I'd like to quickly add! It took me a few tries before I "nailed it" so don't worry. At first, a single long twist is what worked for me until I found that many twists worked better. So just see what works!

I didn't know either, I "discovered" it by accident one day haha! Have fun :flower:

Regarding the argan oil, I can definitely buy some. It won't get wasted, since I can always use it on my skin.

With the twists, do you allow your hair to dry in them? How tight are your twists?

[Kapri]

That is a really pretty texture, and if your hair is "only" shoulder, watch it maybe develop into a tighter texture with length. Normally 2a/b hair barely shows itself at that length, so I'm thinking you might be even more wavy than you think. :flower:

Exciting - thanks Lapushka - that is a real encouragement to keep growing!

[Glitch]

Regarding the argan oil, I can definitely buy some. It won't get wasted, since I can always use it on my skin.

With the twists, do you allow your hair to dry in them? How tight are your twists?

Yes, my hair dries in them. I start with tight twists (nothing damaging or harsh, just secure enough to stretch out the waves in the hair), and then I re-do them into looser ones as they dry, which takes just seconds (but I do it frequently). Since the waves in my hair are unpredictable each time, I have to adjust the twists a little differently each time, especially my half grown out bangs :) I'll maybe put up a tutorial thing somehow when I have a better camera.

[SeRe]

Yes, my hair dries in them. I start with tight twists (nothing damaging or harsh, just secure enough to stretch out the waves in the hair), and then I re-do them into looser ones as they dry, which takes just seconds (but I do it frequently). Since the waves in my hair are unpredictable each time, I have to adjust the twists a little differently each time, especially my half grown out bangs :) I'll maybe put up a tutorial thing somehow when I have a better camera.

Okay thank you for being so patient :)

I'm still trying to understand how twists wont cause your hair to become spiral-y when dry?

[Glitch]

Okay thank you for being so patient :)

I'm still trying to understand how twists wont cause your hair to become spiral-y when dry?

Hey no problem :)

The trick is to keep adjusting/working with them so they dry in loose, stretched out twists that basically won't be twists anymore by the end, but rather, straight pieces of slightly curved hair (which when combed through, are straight). The quickest example I could find is this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMH0-A8fBOk
Pause at 0:50, see her decently tight waves on the left? Skip to 5:22, now you can see she has her hair in basically giant, stretched curls. Skip to 6:26, where she flips over her now straight hair on the left. It's neat to open two tabs and compare the before and after. Even though that wasn't a heatless hair straightening tutorial, you can see that various different methods which stretch out wet/damp hair until its dry can make it end up straight in the end. That girl wasn't even focusing on trying to straighten out her hair, she just wanted volume, so just imagine when you actually are trying to just straighten, the results can be awesome :D From experience, I know if she gently brushed her resulting hair in the end, it would give her super straight hair. Similarly, when my hair dries in loose stretched twists, it is very easy to softly brush them out straight, though usually they dry straight enough and the oil spray makes it silky and smooth enough to end up pretty straight once I undo the "twists" (which will have turned into slightly curved hair parts by then due to my frequent re-doing of them).

[SeRe]

Hey no problem :)

The trick is to keep adjusting/working with them so they dry in loose, stretched out twists that basically won't be twists anymore by the end, but rather, straight pieces of slightly curved hair (which when combed through, are straight). The quickest example I could find is this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMH0-A8fBOk
Pause at 0:50, see her decently tight waves on the left? Skip to 5:22, now you can see she has her hair in basically giant, stretched curls. Skip to 6:26, where she flips over her now straight hair on the left. It's neat to open two tabs and compare the before and after. Even though that wasn't a heatless hair straightening tutorial, you can see that various different methods which stretch out wet/damp hair until its dry can make it end up straight in the end. That girl wasn't even focusing on trying to straighten out her hair, she just wanted volume, so just imagine when you actually are trying to just straighten, the results can be awesome :D From experience, I know if she gently brushed her resulting hair in the end, it would give her super straight hair. Similarly, when my hair dries in loose stretched twists, it is very easy to softly brush them out straight, though usually they dry straight enough and the oil spray makes it silky and smooth enough to end up pretty straight once I undo the "twists" (which will have turned into slightly curved hair parts by then due to my frequent re-doing of them).

I'm so sorry for so many questions, but do you twist your hair like this? https://www.popsugar.com/beauty/photo-gallery/39700696/image/39700703/Twist-wet-hair-enhance-curls

http://www.yourstylistaj.com/blog/2014/01/wavy-hair-tutorial

I know the roller technique she uses, but do you do this too? or do you twist like the pictures?

I'm sorry for being so annoying :-(

[Glitch]

I'm so sorry for so many questions, but do you twist your hair like this? https://www.popsugar.com/beauty/photo-gallery/39700696/image/39700703/Twist-wet-hair-enhance-curls

http://www.yourstylistaj.com/blog/2014/01/wavy-hair-tutorial

I know the roller technique she uses, but do you do this too? or do you twist like the pictures?

I'm sorry for being so annoying :-(

Don't worry, you're not annoying at all! I'm actually like this as a student haha, always keep asking until you're completely sure. So, I do them like this: http://static1.squarespace.com/static/55009f55e4b01b829992ec2c/550976a9e4b01fea7a182741/550976c9e4b01fea7a182f3d/1389031530000/NI4A3355.jpg?format=original except usually in 1-2 twists, which I drape over a shoulder (meaning, where my chest is) together. Sometimes I'll loosely twist them around each other over a shoulder, but again, they're loose (like in the pic) and softened with oil spray. Each time it's a little different, depending on my hair after washing. Sometimes, I'll loosen the twists more and more each time I re-do them. It may sound complicated but I promise it's super easy and takes like no time once you get the hang of it :D Your hair type is a lot straighter than mine so I'm sure it'll be a flawless result with some practise :flower:

Anyway, if you do notice your hair drying in an actual twist shape, just spray it a bit and https://www.wikihow.com/images/thumb/3/3f/Care-for-Naturally-Curly-or-Wavy-Thick-Hair-Step-7-Version-3.jpg/aid13469-v4-728px-Care-for-Naturally-Curly-or-Wavy-Thick-Hair-Step-7-Version-3.jpg then re-do it gently but firmly in the way you want it to go :)

[SeRe]

Don't worry, you're not annoying at all! I'm actually like this as a student haha, always keep asking until you're completely sure. So, I do them like this: http://static1.squarespace.com/static/55009f55e4b01b829992ec2c/550976a9e4b01fea7a182741/550976c9e4b01fea7a182f3d/1389031530000/NI4A3355.jpg?format=original except usually in 1-2 twists, which I drape over a shoulder (meaning, where my chest is) together. Sometimes I'll loosely twist them around each other over a shoulder, but again, they're loose (like in the pic) and softened with oil spray. Each time it's a little different, depending on my hair after washing. Sometimes, I'll loosen the twists more and more each time I re-do them. It may sound complicated but I promise it's super easy and takes like no time once you get the hang of it :D Your hair type is a lot straighter than mine so I'm sure it'll be a flawless result with some practise :flower:

Anyway, if you do notice your hair drying in an actual twist shape, just spray it a bit and https://www.wikihow.com/images/thumb/3/3f/Care-for-Naturally-Curly-or-Wavy-Thick-Hair-Step-7-Version-3.jpg/aid13469-v4-728px-Care-for-Naturally-Curly-or-Wavy-Thick-Hair-Step-7-Version-3.jpg then re-do it gently but firmly in the way you want it to go :)

Okay, I finally understood! Thanks for being so very patient! :-)

I will try it this weekend.

[Glitch]

Okay, I finally understood! Thanks for being so very patient! :-)

I will try it this weekend.

Awesome! Have fun experimenting :D