View Full Version : Updo Help

September 10th, 2017, 09:40 PM
First off, I've been away for several months due to moving and family issues so it's really good to be back.
During this time my hair has finally grown long enough to start doing updo's, I was wondering if any fine haired ladies or gents could tell me what their secret is to keeping their hair in place? Are there special hair elastics? Or weird hair contraptions I don't know about? I wear a lot of ponytails and within 20 minutes it's all sliding out of the elastic, and I really don't want to turn to things like styling foam or hairspray and bobby pins have proven useless on my fine hair. Thanks :pray:

September 10th, 2017, 09:50 PM
Depending on the length and thickness of your hair and the hairstyle you are going for and your technique, you may try some of the following:
- claw-clips (jaw-clips), especially if the hair is on the shorter side, since they have many teeth which can help with basic peacock twists/tails-up and half-ups...
- spin-pins
- U-pins and Amish pins (use them like mini-forks)
- forks (usually the longer the hair gets, the easier it is to bun with fewer prongs, and the shorter the hair is the more prongs might be necessary)
- sticks and sturdy chopsticks (they seem to get easier to use with extra length)
- there are also some specialty items popular on TLHC, like Ficcares/Fakkares and Flexi-8, and they use clasping action, so they might be easier for some people to use.

Here is a pretty good easy video by torrinpaige showing the basic motion of how to use sticks, and the same motion applies with forks and Amish pins/u-pins : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWf4ElyLAAE And here's another easy to follow video by silvousplaits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pixgHmqwiII
With claw-clips, try pinning around the perimeter - just grab some hair from the edge of the bun and some scalp hair with a claw on each side.

If buns are difficult, you can simply do an English braid and fold it upward and pin or wrap it around like a cinnabun and pin or make a knot and pin...

September 10th, 2017, 09:53 PM
Wow, thanks meteor for all of the info I will definitely check those out! So, I guess simple elastics are out of the question for my hair type?

September 10th, 2017, 10:14 PM
Wow, thanks meteor for all of the info I will definitely check those out! So, I guess simple elastics are out of the question for my hair type?

^ Well, elastics might be rough on hair, especially if the hair is quite fine. It certainly depends on the way you use the elastic and the kind of elastic it is. I'd go for something soft and without metal and maybe try to restrict their use to ends of braids? Be particularly careful on removal, don't just slide the elastic down but "unwrap" it carefully. Some people see visible ponytail damage where the elastic used to sit, that can take a long time to grow out. If you really love elastics, you might want to try something that wraps around, since they are easier to put on and remove without pulling on hair, like a "hair bungee" (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSrBloR-JaE) or you could DIY your own with bobby pins or even buttons, like this: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showthread.php?t=132760 or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRFFTiPTM3o
But I kind of think it's more hair-friendly to start updos with braids rather than ponytails. :flower:

September 10th, 2017, 10:18 PM
Wow, thanks meteor for all of the info I will definitely check those out! So, I guess simple elastics are out of the question for my hair type?

I'm sure you could still use them, but some types cause breakage and many here tend to avoid them tbh.

What kind are you using? The ones with a metal bit are probably the worst to use. The ones I have are like the metal band ones only without the metal bit :laugh: There are also scrunchies, which I've been using a ton more since they alleviate some headaches I get from putting my hair up. There are also some super gentle ones like these: https://www.amazon.com/JLIKA-Colorful-Ouchless-Ponytail-Hairties/dp/B01A7WOEDO/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8 (first thing to pop up that was what I meant, I can't recommend an exact brand or something). That style tends to stretch out a bit faster than your standard hair elastic, but they're relatively cheap and seem to be pretty hair friendly as well.

September 10th, 2017, 11:11 PM
I really like the hair bungee idea, they definitely seem a lot less damaging for removal. I do like braids I'm just not very good at them yet, but it's a work in progress. I'm currently using the ones with no metal Corvana. Those hair ties are really neat too, my hair is very easily damaged so at least I have something new to go on. Me and my hair thank you both!

September 11th, 2017, 06:25 AM
Try looking up the "peacock twist". You can do that one with a claw/jaw clip easily at this length. I wore it a long time and it was my go-to style for years while my hair grew out. French twists, the Gibson tuck, all things to look into. Good luck.

September 11th, 2017, 11:46 AM
I find these hair pins (http://www.sallybeauty.com/Magic-Grip-Hairpins/GOODHR1,default,pd.html) fairly handy for pinning up-dos when for some reason I don't want to use a fork or stick (for example, if I do a French braid pinned into a bun at the nape of my neck, forks or sticks tend to poke my neck uncomfortably); they are plastic but fairly sturdy plastic, and I have found that if they get "stretched out," (by which I mean the pin is spread out from the more-or-less U-shape they have when new), you can secure them with a little bitty rubber band (which I have in my house for unknown reasons; they're meant for hair but shudder: re using them on my hair! But they do come in handy for this use) and leave them that way for a week or so, and that will bend the pins back into the correct shape.

They're designed to hold fine and/or thick and/or otherwise difficult-to-secure hair in buns or whatever. I hope that helps! :flower:

September 11th, 2017, 02:55 PM
Also at your length, a French braid tuck looks elegant. You French braid all the way down and then tuck the ends under the nape part of the braid and pin. I used superfat bobby pins. I don't know what they're called. Roller pins are the same width but longer, and they work too.

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September 11th, 2017, 04:19 PM
Fine haired lass here - I use spin pins for bun updos! They hold just fine (no pun intended) for me. Not sure if I used them when I was at shoulder length, but I also second the claw clip suggestion for that length. Just make sure the clips don't have any sharp edges from the plastic seams.