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Eastbound&Down
September 4th, 2017, 01:10 PM
I looked and didn't see a thread that covered this so I figured I would make one because I know we have some experimenters here in the LHC! If there IS an existing thread of this sort, please let me know!

This thread to write out out your particular experiment will be (hair related, of course), how long you plan to do the experiment, and to post updates and conclusions.

My experiment: applying oil the the length of my hair while still wet after the shower.

How I will do it: Pull hair into a ponytail, either finger comb or use my TT, and apply 5-6 drops of oil throughout the length.

Duration: I will do this after each S&C so roughly twice a week for the next 3 weeks.

Initial thoughts after experiment #1: my ends seems to really like it. I didn't go to bed immediately so I kept playing with it and so my waves are much looser than normal. I'll try to leave it alone more next time to see if this process affect my curl pattern too much.

Corvana
September 4th, 2017, 05:30 PM
Cool thread! I know there's one for herbs, but I don't think there's one for conventional products! I don't know if this would be considered a product or general thread, though. I suppose it's in how it's used!

My experiment 1: Using Aussie 3MM moist as C#2 in my WCC
Duration: Honestly I get a pretty good idea after one try of any new thing since my hair very quickly tells me if it hates something. I've got a whole week to see how everything settles and whether or not I like it, since I wash weekly.

I'm debating adding a "wear my hair up more to see if I can condition my scalp to not give me headaches" experiment, but since I don't have many styles I can do at this length it's hard!

Eastbound&Down
September 4th, 2017, 10:55 PM
Cool thread! I know there's one for herbs, but I don't think there's one for conventional products! I don't know if this would be considered a product or general thread, though. I suppose it's in how it's used!

My experiment 1: Using Aussie 3MM moist as C#2 in my WCC
Duration: Honestly I get a pretty good idea after one try of any new thing since my hair very quickly tells me if it hates something. I've got a whole week to see how everything settles and whether or not I like it, since I wash weekly.

I'm debating adding a "wear my hair up more to see if I can condition my scalp to not give me headaches" experiment, but since I don't have many styles I can do at this length it's hard!

Corvana, thanks for replying. I don't have any stipulations for what can be posted, simply a place for people to keep tea k of their experimenting and share their finding with others. This can mean trying new products or trying new techniques. I hope the 3MM works for you, my hair loves that stuff!

Corvana
September 4th, 2017, 11:34 PM
Corvana, thanks for replying. I don't have any stipulations for what can be posted, simply a place for people to keep tea k of their experimenting and share their finding with others. This can mean trying new products or trying new techniques. I hope the 3MM works for you, my hair loves that stuff!

My hair doesn't hate it, but it doesn't love it as a deep treatment! It's just not enough, apparently lol. But I really want to test it as a regular conditioner!

Eastbound&Down
September 5th, 2017, 12:35 PM
My hair doesn't hate it, but it doesn't love it as a deep treatment! It's just not enough, apparently lol. But I really want to test it as a regular conditioner!

Do it!! Have you tried a sealing oil?

Corvana
September 5th, 2017, 03:52 PM
Do it!! Have you tried a sealing oil?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that? I do ROO, or if I forget I put a little oil in my damp hair after I shower.

Eastbound&Down
September 5th, 2017, 07:22 PM
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that? I do ROO, or if I forget I put a little oil in my damp hair after I shower.

Yeah, oil on damp hair seals in moisture. If you are needing some more moisture you could give that a try.

Corvana
September 5th, 2017, 11:22 PM
Yeah, oil on damp hair seals in moisture. If you are needing some more moisture you could give that a try.

I think oiling twice would be too much :laugh:

Alibran
September 6th, 2017, 11:45 AM
I always put oil on my hair when it's wet. If I put oil on dry hair, I just end up with dry hair that's coated in oil.

Today's experiment was hand cream. I noticed my ends were a bit dry when I had my shower, so I wet my hair and put some coconut oil mixed with a bit of hand cream on the ends. If you're wondering why hand cream - and I think that would be reasonable - it's because I've noticed my most successful conditioners from the distant past all contained glycerin. My hand cream was the only thing I could find that contains glycerin.

Tomorrow, I will study my ends and see if it made any difference.

Eastbound&Down
September 6th, 2017, 07:24 PM
I always put oil on my hair when it's wet. If I put oil on dry hair, I just end up with dry hair that's coated in oil.

Today's experiment was hand cream. I noticed my ends were a bit dry when I had my shower, so I wet my hair and put some coconut oil mixed with a bit of hand cream on the ends. If you're wondering why hand cream - and I think that would be reasonable - it's because I've noticed my most successful conditioners from the distant past all contained glycerin. My hand cream was the only thing I could find that contains glycerin.

Tomorrow, I will study my ends and see if it made any difference.

Interesting, never thought about hand cream for hair.

Jo Ann
September 6th, 2017, 07:41 PM
My hair doesn't hate it, but it doesn't love it as a deep treatment! It's just not enough, apparently lol. But I really want to test it as a regular conditioner!
If you have a HG (mine is Hello Hydration), try using that as a second conditioner (I also WCC). I've used up many conditioners my hair didn't like by using those conditioners FIRST, then my HG as my second conditioner. That, for me, helps make an "inferior" conditioner work better for my hair.

Corvana
September 6th, 2017, 11:39 PM
If you have a HG (mine is Hello Hydration), try using that as a second conditioner (I also WCC). I've used up many conditioners my hair didn't like by using those conditioners FIRST, then my HG as my second conditioner. That, for me, helps make an "inferior" conditioner work better for my hair.

I don't have a HG for regular conditioners, just a HG deep conditioner. My hair isn't too picky with regular conditioners at all, and the ones my hair does like are cheap and unlikely to be discontinued any time soon!

My hair doesn't dislike the 3MM, in fact it likes it quite a bit! But it's just not what I'd consider a deep condition, compared to my usual deep conditioner. More like a slightly stronger regular conditioner :laugh:

I also use conditioners I don't like as shaving cream lol. Haven't had to buy that for ages!

Jo Ann
September 7th, 2017, 03:46 AM
Using disliked conditioners as shaving cream...now THAT'S creative! :)

Alibran
September 7th, 2017, 07:16 AM
Using disliked conditioners as shaving cream...now THAT'S creative! :)

I've been doing that for years. I think I first heard about it on this forum!


Interesting, never thought about hand cream for hair.

Most people wouldn't. It isn't the most obvious thing!

It would probably be way too rich for most people, but my hair seems to be drinking it up happily. My ends are feeling much softer than they were yesterday morning, so I wet it and did the same thing (hand cream mixed with coconut oil) through the lengths today. It's looking a bit weighed down (but that's probably because I overdid the oil when I washed on Tuesday), but it feels lovely, and it's moving like hair should. That's probably a hard thing to understand if you have hair that moves naturally, but mine tends to just 'sit' in whatever position it was in when it dried. Today, it isn't doing that.

I desperately want to wash now, so I can try it as my final styling product in the wash routine, but I should really wait until Saturday.

Eastbound&Down
September 7th, 2017, 04:29 PM
I've been doing that for years. I think I first heard about it on this forum!



Most people wouldn't. It isn't the most obvious thing!

It would probably be way too rich for most people, but my hair seems to be drinking it up happily. My ends are feeling much softer than they were yesterday morning, so I wet it and did the same thing (hand cream mixed with coconut oil) through the lengths today. It's looking a bit weighed down (but that's probably because I overdid the oil when I washed on Tuesday), but it feels lovely, and it's moving like hair should. That's probably a hard thing to understand if you have hair that moves naturally, but mine tends to just 'sit' in whatever position it was in when it dried. Today, it isn't doing that.

I desperately want to wash now, so I can try it as my final styling product in the wash routine, but I should really wait until Saturday.

Oh, I understand. My mom has a hair type close to yours, and mine hangs around 2b/2c so the immobility is something that I have experienced. If my ends ever start to feel too dry, I'll have to remember to give this a try.

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Update #1: I did my first S&C for the week, followed by oil on the ends. I think my hair is liking this new method, they feel very smooth and I've even noticed a reduced number of white dots? Maybe that's just because they are coated, but I'll take it. Next wash is on Saturday evening/Sunday morning.

Eastbound&Down
September 10th, 2017, 09:51 AM
Update #2: I did my routine and went straight to bed with wet hair. My hair is as wavy as normal if not more, so at least I know that the oil isn't effecting my curl pattern. My ends feel very happy and smooth.

Alibran
September 12th, 2017, 07:45 AM
Here's an update on my hand cream experiment, with a photo.

I'm so excited about this because my hair seems to be absolutely loving it. I washed on Saturday (routine was shampoo->1st conditioner->coconut oil rinse->2nd conditioner->coconut oil mixed with hand cream as leave in) and was very happy. Sunday and yesterday, I sprayed the ends with water mixed with a little ACV, then put a tiny bit of oil/hand cream mix on the damp hair, and that settled the frizz down. I would have done the same today, but had a headache, so I wanted to get my head wet and cool. I was struggling to detangle, so I used some cheap conditioner for slip, then finger combed oil/hand cream through while soaking wet and put it in a turban for 15 minutes or so.

Results below. I'm loving the definition, and my hair feels soft and not greasy. (The lighter colour on top of my head is grey roots that need colouring.)

http://wordsabouteverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/DSCF9169-shrunk-cropped.jpg

lapushka
September 12th, 2017, 08:06 AM
I think oiling twice would be too much :laugh:

I do the rinse-out oil, and then I still put a serum (oil) in in my LOC/LCO method. So, really, it's not too much, not when you're at my length it's not. ;)

Eastbound&Down
September 12th, 2017, 12:25 PM
Here's an update on my hand cream experiment, with a photo.

I'm so excited about this because my hair seems to be absolutely loving it. I washed on Saturday (routine was shampoo->1st conditioner->coconut oil rinse->2nd conditioner->coconut oil mixed with hand cream as leave in) and was very happy. Sunday and yesterday, I sprayed the ends with water mixed with a little ACV, then put a tiny bit of oil/hand cream mix on the damp hair, and that settled the frizz down. I would have done the same today, but had a headache, so I wanted to get my head wet and cool. I was struggling to detangle, so I used some cheap conditioner for slip, then finger combed oil/hand cream through while soaking wet and put it in a turban for 15 minutes or so.

Results below. I'm loving the definition, and my hair feels soft and not greasy. (The lighter colour on top of my head is grey roots that need colouring.)

http://wordsabouteverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/DSCF9169-shrunk-cropped.jpg

You have beautiful curls! I'm glad your method is working for you. My hair has always been pretty low maintenance, but mostly because I know I have to pull it into a bun everyday. I may get to play with it more once I start my civilian job.

Corvana
September 12th, 2017, 02:11 PM
Here's an update on my hand cream experiment, with a photo.

I'm so excited about this because my hair seems to be absolutely loving it. I washed on Saturday (routine was shampoo->1st conditioner->coconut oil rinse->2nd conditioner->coconut oil mixed with hand cream as leave in) and was very happy. Sunday and yesterday, I sprayed the ends with water mixed with a little ACV, then put a tiny bit of oil/hand cream mix on the damp hair, and that settled the frizz down. I would have done the same today, but had a headache, so I wanted to get my head wet and cool. I was struggling to detangle, so I used some cheap conditioner for slip, then finger combed oil/hand cream through while soaking wet and put it in a turban for 15 minutes or so.

Results below. I'm loving the definition, and my hair feels soft and not greasy. (The lighter colour on top of my head is grey roots that need colouring.)

http://wordsabouteverything.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/DSCF9169-shrunk-cropped.jpg

:thud: I love your hair so much Alibran. And it seems to me you're now doing LOC without the L! Or with the L if the L is "liquid", which would be the water.


I do the rinse-out oil, and then I still put a serum (oil) in in my LOC/LCO method. So, really, it's not too much, not when you're at my length it's not. ;)

Heh yeah I'll probably oil out of the shower at APL+ or so. But right now it's just too much!

Corvana
September 12th, 2017, 02:20 PM
My experiment 1: Using Aussie 3MM moist as C#2 in my WCC
Duration: Honestly I get a pretty good idea after one try of any new thing since my hair very quickly tells me if it hates something. I've got a whole week to see how everything settles and whether or not I like it, since I wash weekly.

I'm debating adding a "wear my hair up more to see if I can condition my scalp to not give me headaches" experiment, but since I don't have many styles I can do at this length it's hard!

Experiment results: Hated it LOL. It's a nice conditioner, but I figured out what I don't like about it: it rinses out too clean. It leaves my hair with the same squeakiness (only a smaller amount) as shampoos do. That's always been something I've had an aversion to, texture-wise, so I always avoid conditioners like that. I could oil after, but I'd rather not right now because that's a recipe for grease!

So I'll use it as my first conditioner to get rid of it, and then when I can I'll get my HG deep conditioner. 3MM isn't horrible, but it takes a couple days for me to be able to feel the softness because it just rinses too much and leaves my hair a little squeaky shudder: When I go to put my hair up, instead of gliding through, there's a little bit of friction with my hand. Like if you were to run your fingers the wrong way on a shed? Like that, only going the right way. I haaaaate it.

It's Tuesday now, and I washed Sunday, so it's gone now! But the rest of Sunday, and all of Monday it wasn't very nice feeling.

OhSuzi
September 13th, 2017, 05:20 AM
I usually like a nice hot steamy shower / bath & then when I rinse my hair at the end I’ll use colder water - but it’s prob still warmish & just cooler compared to the hot water I’ve been bathing in.

My Experiment cold showers only for a month .... or longer if I end up loving it...or less if it's terrible!.

- either just cold shower with water
or cold shower with usual no cone shampoo, rinse, conditioner, rinse.

Well I have tried this for 5 days now.

1. It wakes me up if I have it first thing in the morning.
2. But its difficult to face first thing in the morning.
3. It’s much much quicker than a usual shower because you Do Not want to hang around.
4. It took til about the third shower before I stopped sort of dancing around in & out trying to catch my breath and just have the balls to stay properly under it. Although it did bring back childhood memories of dancing in the sprinkler in the garden.
5. It is however a sweet relief if I chose to have a cold shower after exercise.
6. If I use shampoo & conditioner – I do wonder how well conditioner is working ‘cause usually your hair is warm & folllicles open when you stick the conditioner on.
7. I think the conditioner is rinsing off properly, but if there is a little residue that’s probably quite useful.
8. My hair takes longer to dry naturally
9. but it does dry with a nice wave and a shine and so far, after 5 days my hair does seem to be softer & my skin a little clearer.
10. I am longing for a hot shower / bath

Corvana
September 13th, 2017, 12:32 PM
Oof I could never do a totally cold shower lol. I just shut off the hot water completely for my last rinse! Best of both worlds imo.

Alibran
September 13th, 2017, 03:02 PM
You have beautiful curls! I'm glad your method is working for you. My hair has always been pretty low maintenance, but mostly because I know I have to pull it into a bun everyday. I may get to play with it more once I start my civilian job.

Thank you. I'm longing to be able to get mine into a bun, but that will probably have to wait until next summer.


:thud: I love your hair so much Alibran. And it seems to me you're now doing LOC without the L! Or with the L if the L is "liquid", which would be the water.

Thanks, I'm loving it at the moment as well, since it's behaving itself. I'm just experimenting with different ideas for now, but the oil and hand cream mixed together seems to be working, so I'm pleased with that.

Shorty89
September 13th, 2017, 09:48 PM
I've been trying BBB every night, but I've been terrible about tracking results. My hair has also been battling a new location and hard water, so it was/is a terrible time to do it. I'm debating whether or not it's causing a bit more oil, or if that's film from the hard water.

Redderly
September 14th, 2017, 05:46 AM
My experiement: daily scalp massage and deep conditioning treatment at least once a week.

I am eager to see the results after continuous use!

Eastbound&Down
September 14th, 2017, 04:45 PM
I've been trying BBB every night, but I've been terrible about tracking results. My hair has also been battling a new location and hard water, so it was/is a terrible time to do it. I'm debating whether or not it's causing a bit more oil, or if that's film from the hard water.

BBB can cause more oil production, but with all the variables, you may need to wait until you have a clearer idea of how your hair handles the new location and water to know for sure.

Eastbound&Down
September 14th, 2017, 04:47 PM
Update #3: My hair seems a little more waited down this time, I may not have washed out the conditioner well enough, but I was too tired to really mess with it. I won't really do much with it until my Saturday evening wash, so it'll just be a little oily till then.

Dark40
September 14th, 2017, 07:32 PM
For a week I've been using my Queen Helene Deep Conditioning Cream on my hair after every wash on a daily basis, and it's been working my hair lots of wonders with it's health! Everyday I always wear my hair down.

OhSuzi
September 15th, 2017, 06:06 AM
Cold SHower Experiment update
about 3 more showers in since last time

1. - totally over the ooh its too cold I know it's ocming & I can deal with the initial shock & just get on with it
2. - Skin is tighter & smoother but Not Clear!!
Getting break out of spots on chin & forhead for last couple of days. I rest my chin in my hand at work a lot whilst on computer - reckon I'm getting dirt stuck in pores but because I keep em tight & small with cold washes the dirt gets stuck - I 've had 3 painful spots, I tried but can't squeeze em! (sorry bit gross). So they're red n sorer & probably squashing all the bacteria further into skin. I expect they don't properly come to a head cause of small tight pores.

So new plan is one hot bath / shower a week to open evrything up & get a proper good clean & finish off with icey cool shower. And the rest of the time cold showers.

Hair is loving the cold water though!!

lapushka
September 15th, 2017, 06:16 AM
I have a Hennaplus hot oil treatment left. (1 of 3). Comes like this:
https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51WiaXQw3AL._SY300_QL70_.jpg

In small tubes. It is still too much for ROO for me, so I will use it as directed, which is hot or cold and leave it on for 1 min. prior to shampooing. I will do this this week, and use it cold (I'm not going to faff around with heating it) and then skip ROO for this. We'll see how my hair comes out.

Kind of... bit of an experiment, since it's been ages since last I tried these.

Eastbound&Down
September 15th, 2017, 09:05 AM
I have a Hennaplus hot oil treatment left. (1 of 3). Comes like this:
https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51WiaXQw3AL._SY300_QL70_.jpg

In small tubes. It is still too much for ROO for me, so I will use it as directed, which is hot or cold and leave it on for 1 min. prior to shampooing. I will do this this week, and use it cold (I'm not going to faff around with heating it) and then skip ROO for this. We'll see how my hair comes out.

Kind of... bit of an experiment, since it's been ages since last I tried these.

Good luck, let us know how it goes!

lapushka
September 15th, 2017, 04:30 PM
Good luck, let us know how it goes!

I will, thank you! :)

lithostoic
September 15th, 2017, 05:43 PM
Tonight I'm going to shampoo all my hair, and not use conditioner. Just use the SM curling gel soufflé and put it into twin Dutch braids. Might have to settle for twin rope instead if my back pain doesn't subside.

Corvana
September 18th, 2017, 03:14 AM
Experiment results: Hated it LOL. It's a nice conditioner, but I figured out what I don't like about it: it rinses out too clean. It leaves my hair with the same squeakiness (only a smaller amount) as shampoos do. That's always been something I've had an aversion to, texture-wise, so I always avoid conditioners like that. I could oil after, but I'd rather not right now because that's a recipe for grease!

So I'll use it as my first conditioner to get rid of it, and then when I can I'll get my HG deep conditioner. 3MM isn't horrible, but it takes a couple days for me to be able to feel the softness because it just rinses too much and leaves my hair a little squeaky shudder: When I go to put my hair up, instead of gliding through, there's a little bit of friction with my hand. Like if you were to run your fingers the wrong way on a shed? Like that, only going the right way. I haaaaate it.

It's Tuesday now, and I washed Sunday, so it's gone now! But the rest of Sunday, and all of Monday it wasn't very nice feeling.

Used it as my first conditioner, followed by ROO and then my second conditioner and now my hair is a little softer than it usually is! Nice!

I won't buy the 3MM again, but at least until it's gone I'm glad I can use it as the first C in my WCC with no problems.

Eastbound&Down
September 19th, 2017, 11:53 PM
Corvana, im glad you found a solution. My hair loves 3MM, I use it in my DTs.
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Alright, it been 2 weeks (4 washes) and my hair seems to really like the oiled ends. I'll keep it up, see if there are any adverse reactions or too much build up.

Eastbound&Down
September 23rd, 2017, 10:02 AM
Week 3 update: I'm going to keep this routine up, my hair seems to really like it and in conjunction with my stretched washes, my length seems to like the extra moisture. My winter hair care routine is about to kick off, so I'll be doing that more.

lithostoic
September 23rd, 2017, 02:08 PM
Tried sectioned washing. I like it sooo much better. Also tried conditioning all over. And I scrunched the excess water out of my hair with a cotton shirt. Now I'm leaving it to air dry.

Alibran
September 24th, 2017, 08:48 AM
I'm almost daring to hope I've found my HG product ... yes I know hand cream is not a common choice!

Salwety
September 24th, 2017, 10:15 AM
Alibran I am happy to hear about your result. Since you announced your trial I had a glycerin skin cream in mind that I want to try. It is wonderful on the skin. I tempted to follow your lead.

Eastbound&Down
September 24th, 2017, 10:38 AM
Alibran I'm glad your new method is working for you!

Alibran
September 24th, 2017, 02:51 PM
Alibran I am happy to hear about your result. Since you announced your trial I had a glycerin skin cream in mind that I want to try. It is wonderful on the skin. I tempted to follow your lead.

Well, the worst that's likely to happen is that it will make it greasy or weighed down and you'll have to wash again to get rid of it. Hopefully it won't, though.

Eastbound&Down, thank you. I'm so happy with it.

Waveurly
September 28th, 2017, 11:23 AM
I have done something. I tried... BUTTER on my hair.
Normal butter yes.. but grassfed, that's much better cause of the higher vitamins and minerals in it.
I shampooed twice and wowie! My hair is still a bit wet at the moment but it's so soft!! And very shiny!
If you think I'm crazy well on youtube there are some people who did it like the next girl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xHLAovleMA

Instead of any other oil, this actually didn't irritate my scalp, which was kind of special to me. Left it on for about 45 minutes and washed it out with double shampoo and then a bit of conditioner too and a vinegar rinse (most of the times I use vinegar because of my hard water).
I just used pure butter with nothing else and since it was grassfed butter i could just melt it between my hands. My hair also likes shea butter especially in winter times, but in smaller quantities, but this butter mask was very much absorbed into my hair!
I'm gonna do this more for sure, loved the results.

Edited to show results the day after. I have a really choppy cut so please ignore that ;) Also the lighting doesn't really show off the amount of shine, but well that's all I've got now!

https://imgur.com/Tc0V9r5

leayellena
September 29th, 2017, 02:34 AM
IŽll Experiment (co-)washing in sections.

Eastbound&Down
September 29th, 2017, 12:04 PM
I have done something. I tried... BUTTER on my hair.
Normal butter yes.. but grassfed, that's much better cause of the higher vitamins and minerals in it.
I shampooed twice and wowie! My hair is still a bit wet at the moment but it's so soft!! And very shiny!
If you think I'm crazy well on youtube there are some people who did it like the next girl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xHLAovleMA

Instead of any other oil, this actually didn't irritate my scalp, which was kind of special to me. Left it on for about 45 minutes and washed it out with double shampoo and then a bit of conditioner too and a vinegar rinse (most of the times I use vinegar because of my hard water).
I just used pure butter with nothing else and since it was grassfed butter i could just melt it between my hands. My hair also likes shea butter especially in winter times, but in smaller quantities, but this butter mask was very much absorbed into my hair!
I'm gonna do this more for sure, loved the results.

Edited to show results the day after. I have a really choppy cut so please ignore that ;) Also the lighting doesn't really show off the amount of shine, but well that's all I've got now!

https://imgur.com/Tc0V9r5

Very interesting! Where did you get your butter from?

Waveurly
September 29th, 2017, 12:38 PM
Very interesting! Where did you get your butter from?

Just from the supermarket :) A grassfed butter from a brand called campina, but I'm from the Netherlands though. I've searched a butter type for someone else and came up with kerrygold as a good brand in USA, it's also a grassfed butter type.

riphair
September 30th, 2017, 01:51 PM
Current ongoing experiments:

- Substituting the honey in SMT with full fat cream, because even though honey makes my hair very soft, it also makes me look like a poodle whenever I leave the house. So far the cream has been working really great.

- Making different variations of Flaxseed gel.

- Sleeping with my hair in a top bun in stead of a loose braid. I prefer the waves I get from the bun, but it looks really weird if I don't get it right.

- Rinse out my conditioner with ice cold water with a couple of drops of lemon juice or ACV. I've had great success with this before, but I always quit after messing up the ratio of ACV to water and getting demotivated. Less is more, I guess.

I don't really have a time frame for my experiments, they're just some small adjustments I want to add to my routine. The one with the grassfed butter sounds interesting, though! It wouldn't be the weirdest or grossest thing I had put in my hair, tbh :rolleyes: Food is good for hair!

Eastbound&Down
September 30th, 2017, 06:54 PM
Just from the supermarket :) A grassfed butter from a brand called campina, but I'm from the Netherlands though. I've searched a butter type for someone else and came up with kerrygold as a good brand in USA, it's also a grassfed butter type.

Sounds very moisturizing. It's hard to find those brands sometimes here.

leayellena
October 1st, 2017, 02:57 AM
I wonder if cone-free oil-based conditioner is good for regular co-washing...
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28667&d=1505302000
I am talking about Balea.

leayellena
October 1st, 2017, 02:59 AM
IŽll Experiment (co-)washing in sections.

that last conditioner still feels like Shampoo. I doubt IŽd ever buy it again,,, meh

poli
November 7th, 2017, 12:59 AM
I'm experimenting with DIY leave-ins (not serums or oils) after washing.
So far:
- regular conditioner mixed with rose water = good (but stringy hair)
- flax seed gel = very good (but more work)
- flax seed gel mixed with conditioner - going to try this next wash

I had horrible experience with store bought leave-in spray (probably because of protein in it) so I was reluctant to try any, but so far I like added moisture.

ReptilianFeline
November 7th, 2017, 06:23 AM
I'm making my own herbal shampoo. So far I have found that a base of chickpea flour works great. I've added a small amount of shikakai powder and cinnamon and some oregano EO and since I ran out of aloe vera gel, I added a glob of facial cleansing milk from Yves Rosher and it worked fine. My hair and scalp is dry, but I think it might be from a thyroid problem. I'm going to see a doctor about it, but getting an apointment is tricky at the moment since they are all bocked solid until christmas. I'll have to get an emergency slot and that's not easy.

Anyway... I follow the shampoo with a tea rinse - lemon green tea is a bit harsh, the nettle and linden worked better.
I'm stying away from amla, because I think it gives me a buildup, but I'll try again when my health is better to see if it works differently on a healthy head of hair.

Siv
November 7th, 2017, 08:39 AM
Anyway... I follow the shampoo with a tea rinse - lemon green tea is a bit harsh, the nettle and linden worked better.


Have you tried birch leaves? It's off season now I guess, but they used to use it quite frequently in Sweden "back in the day". There are some saponins in there that cleans the hair, but also conditioning aspects. Shenet has a few good pages on birch leaf decoctions (http://www.shenet.se/ravaror/bjorklovsdekokt.html) as well as other extraction methods (linked on the page I linked). In Swedish, unfortunately, but what can I do :shrug:

ReptilianFeline
November 9th, 2017, 06:57 AM
Have you tried birch leaves? It's off season now I guess, but they used to use it quite frequently in Sweden "back in the day". There are some saponins in there that cleans the hair, but also conditioning aspects. Shenet has a few good pages on birch leaf decoctions (http://www.shenet.se/ravaror/bjorklovsdekokt.html) as well as other extraction methods (linked on the page I linked). In Swedish, unfortunately, but what can I do :shrug:

I have thought of birch leaves, but they are best in spring, and I never got around to pick them and experiment with them. I Swedish blog spoke quite higly of the birch leaves for washing. Next spring maybe?

poli
November 10th, 2017, 12:54 AM
I'm experimenting with DIY leave-ins (not serums or oils) after washing.
So far:
- regular conditioner mixed with rose water = good (but stringy hair)
- flax seed gel = very good (but more work)
- flax seed gel mixed with conditioner - going to try this next wash

I had horrible experience with store bought leave-in spray (probably because of protein in it) so I was reluctant to try any, but so far I like added moisture.

The flax seed mixed with conditioner also works fine, I was hoping the nice smell will last on hair, but it didn't.
Now I'm trying flax with glycerine. Hopeful :)

One thing - with all this leave-ins I need clarifying shampoo more often.

proo
November 10th, 2017, 09:35 AM
I live around evergreens, mostly pines, from which I’ve made needle tea -
Lemony, very delicious.
So I’m wondering about using it as a hair rinse
Any thoughts?

T0n1c
November 10th, 2017, 10:59 AM
Experimented last night with my "lazy take" on the SMT. I didn't have aloe but was beginning to feel the effects of the cold dry air, so decided to wing it.

My mix:
4pts conditioner (various flavors running around the bathroom)
1pt honey
1pt Mane Choice Scalp Nourishing Growth Oil (found at CVS when looking for aloe, full of all kinds of delicious hair food)
a wee dab (maybe 1/8 tsp) coconut oil
Warmed it in the microwave, slathered it on dry hair, put it in a plastic cap and wrapped it in a pair of sweatpants for warmth and let it sit about 45 minutes. Then I CWC'd, oiled ends, bunned, and went to bed.

Results: Sweet, mewing kittens, my hair is SOFT! And so shiny! I have always envied shiny hair, but never had it. Actually touched it to make sure I hadn't over-oiled.
Hair is soft, shiny, sooo easy to comb, and feels healthier and more moisturized after just one treatment.

Thoughts:
-It washed out easier than expected with just CWC (Hello Hydration and 3 MMM, Deva Curl lo-poo, and same conditioners again)
-I really want to try leaving it on over night or at least for a few hours next time.
-After reading a bit more about coconut oil, I think my hair may be protein sensitive, so I want to switch the CO out for a different oil. Considering argan, and jojoba.
-Once I get some aloe, I will add it in, just to see what it does.

Siv
November 10th, 2017, 12:34 PM
I live around evergreens, mostly pines, from which I’ve made needle tea -
Lemony, very delicious.
So I’m wondering about using it as a hair rinse
Any thoughts?


I have thought of birch leaves, but they are best in spring, and I never got around to pick them and experiment with them. I Swedish blog spoke quite higly of the birch leaves for washing. Next spring maybe?

This got me curious and I did some impromptu research on the components of pine! It was surprisingly difficult, but then again, I'm more of a social scientist.. The main components that I could find that are also relevant for hair care, are also found in birch leaves: flavonoids, phenols, and tannins.

Flavonoids supposedly stimulates blood circulation in the scalp - which promotes hair growth, healthy skin shedding, etc.

Phenols are anti-bacterial and helps slough off dead skin.

For Pinus Sylvestris (Eurasian pine basically - "Scots pine" in English I think), I found a study that mentioned ferulic acid and p-coumaric acid, which are both anti-oxidants and should slow down aging of the skin and hair. I think they are phenols, but I didn't quite understand. P. Sylvestris also has taxifolin glucoside, which isn't a saponin but a related substance (saponins are glycosides, I think?). Either way, it's a type of surfactant and therefore cleansing.

Tannins are astringents, which makes the skin's pores close up, so it helps regulating an oily scalp. Interestingly, henna is a type of tannin (an extreme kind!) so you can expect some similar effects - thicker/stronger hair, a slight colour change if you have very light hair, etc. Tannins bond with keratin (the protein that hair is made out of) so it prevents protein loss while washing, brushing, etc. Too much protein loss, and you may have to treat your hair with keratin/protein products, but these are only temporary fixes. Tannin should prevent this situation from happening in the first place. In regards of protein- and tannin-bonding I found this helpful quote - "Under some conditions an insoluble complex is formed, but soluble complexes may also form." My uneducated guess would be that the henna-tannin generally forms an insoluble complex with keratin- protein (since henna treatments are very permanent!), while most other tannins (such as those found in teas) form soluble bonds (since they always wash out).

Summa summarum, pine or birch tea should make your scalp balanced, stimulate hair growth, slow down aging, cleanse, thicken hair, and prevent protein loss.

I think I'll be brewing up some pine tea right away!! Here's to hoping it's conditioning as well... Couldn't find any info on that. But tea rinses have a reputation for softening hair so I'm hopeful!



ETA 1: if you're not in Eurasia, you can still probably be quite confident that your local type of pine will have similar components. I saw a reference that indicated that. I also skimmed a study on Chinese cedar, and it seemed similar enough.

ETA 2: Fun fact - pine has scientifically proven anti-cancer properties, so start chugging!!

Eastbound&Down
November 10th, 2017, 02:08 PM
This got me curious and I did some impromptu research on the components of pine! It was surprisingly difficult, but then again, I'm more of a social scientist.. The main components that I could find that are also relevant for hair care, are also found in birch leaves: flavonoids, phenols, and tannins.

Flavonoids supposedly stimulates blood circulation in the scalp - which promotes hair growth, healthy skin shedding, etc.

Phenols are anti-bacterial and helps slough off dead skin.

For Pinus Sylvestris (Eurasian pine basically - "Scots pine" in English I think), I found a study that mentioned ferulic acid and p-coumaric acid, which are both anti-oxidants and should slow down aging of the skin and hair. I think they are phenols, but I didn't quite understand. P. Sylvestris also has taxifolin glucoside, which isn't a saponin but a related substance (saponins are glycosides, I think?). Either way, it's a type of surfactant and therefore cleansing.

Tannins are astringents, which makes the skin's pores close up, so it helps regulating an oily scalp. Interestingly, henna is a type of tannin (an extreme kind!) so you can expect some similar effects - thicker/stronger hair, a slight colour change if you have very light hair, etc. Tannins bond with keratin (the protein that hair is made out of) so it prevents protein loss while washing, brushing, etc. Too much protein loss, and you may have to treat your hair with keratin/protein products, but these are only temporary fixes. Tannin should prevent this situation from happening in the first place. In regards of protein- and tannin-bonding I found this helpful quote - "Under some conditions an insoluble complex is formed, but soluble complexes may also form." My uneducated guess would be that the henna-tannin generally forms an insoluble complex with keratin- protein (since henna treatments are very permanent!), while most other tannins (such as those found in teas) form soluble bonds (since they always wash out).

Summa summarum, pine or birch tea should make your scalp balanced, stimulate hair growth, slow down aging, cleanse, thicken hair, and prevent protein loss.

I think I'll be brewing up some pine tea right away!! Here's to hoping it's conditioning as well... Couldn't find any info on that. But tea rinses have a reputation for softening hair so I'm hopeful!



ETA 1: if you're not in Eurasia, you can still probably be quite confident that your local type of pine will have similar components. I saw a reference that indicated that. I also skimmed a study on Chinese cedar, and it seemed similar enough.

ETA 2: Fun fact - pine has scientifically proven anti-cancer properties, so start chugging!!

Wow, well we have pines everywhere around where I am. Might have to investigate...

proo
November 14th, 2017, 12:45 PM
Experiment:
Wash/rinsed with a few drops sls shampoo and 1/2 tsp epsom salt in a large bucket of water;
Rinsed thoroughly.
Rinsed with about the same amount of pine needle tea with a splash of white vinegar
And rinsed again with clear water.
Dried slowly wrapped in silky scarves.
Result: success! Very strong and smooth feeling with a lovely faint pine fragrance.

I’m mostly SO, so my hair is used to having no product on or in it
But it find an occasional rinse like this to be moisturizing, especially in the winter.
Usually I use catnip to rinse, but this pine tea rinse is wonderful
And it’s right outside my door

Eastbound&Down
November 15th, 2017, 10:42 AM
Experiment:
Wash/rinsed with a few drops sls shampoo and 1/2 tsp epsom salt in a large bucket of water;
Rinsed thoroughly.
Rinsed with about the same amount of pine needle tea with a splash of white vinegar
And rinsed again with clear water.
Dried slowly wrapped in silky scarves.
Result: success! Very strong and smooth feeling with a lovely faint pine fragrance.

I’m mostly SO, so my hair is used to having no product on or in it
But it find an occasional rinse like this to be moisturizing, especially in the winter.
Usually I use catnip to rinse, but this pine tea rinse is wonderful
And it’s right outside my door

So how did you make the tea? Just pulled some pine needles off the tree and boiled it?

proo
November 15th, 2017, 12:37 PM
My needles were long, I think they were red pine,
so I cut them up some, put about 1/4 c in my teapot diffuser and filled the pot with boiling water.
It’s the same way I prepare catnip rinse.
it steeped overnight.

leayellena
November 16th, 2017, 01:07 AM
now I know why my hair loves my cien deep conditioning hair mask more than any other product: cien product has protein and silicones to lock moisture in my low porosity fine hair. was wondering why my hair is hard to deep condition: because it's straighter than the layers let my hair appear. (again, damn u layers).
thrilled for a straighter hair!

ReptilianFeline
November 16th, 2017, 07:25 AM
I remember a pine needle soap from when I was little... it had a deep green colour and was sort of transparent... it was hard soap. I liked it, at least the smell.

*me go hunting for pine needles*

I use some pine needle EO in my "shampoo" at times.

My chickpea shampoo is working, but last time I forgot the cinnamon and it had less scrubbing particles in it. That made me thinking of trying rough ground black pepper as an exfoliant... I'll have to try that. I also applied some coconut oil to my damp hair and now the hair feels a bit as if there is a coating on it. That never happens when I apply coconut oil to dry hair.

poli
November 16th, 2017, 09:45 AM
The flax seed mixed with conditioner also works fine, I was hoping the nice smell will last on hair, but it didn't.
Now I'm trying flax with glycerine. Hopeful :)


I overdid on glycerine, so back to watered down conditioner - just trying different ones I own.

ReptilianFeline
November 21st, 2017, 07:39 AM
I couldn't find any pine needles, so I went for juniper instead. A couple of twigs, some with berries, cut up, twigs and all, put in a cast iron pot with lid, boil for 5 min, simmer for 20, stay on the warm stove until cool. Pour into old glass bottle and put in fridge.

I mixed some juniper water with chickpea flour to make my shampoo, added a bit of cinnamon, but ended up with not enough expholiating particles, so I have some dandryffy spots on my scalp. Other than that, very nice result. I felt I needed a conditioning rinse afterwards, so I poured some leftover lavender and amla "tea" over my hair and that felt just right. Then rinsed that as well to avoid buildup.

Result: Semi-success. Need better expholiant for my scalp, will try allspice.

proo
November 21st, 2017, 12:36 PM
Thanks for the report RF- highly interesting.
I did my second pine rinse and LOVE it- highly moisturizing, zero residue.
I’m also wondering about cedar since there’s tons of it here, must investigate.
Some tree oils can be caustic.

ReptilianFeline
November 22nd, 2017, 03:45 AM
It seems that juniper was one of the plants people used for washing their hair when shampoo wasn't a thing yet. :)

patches
November 24th, 2017, 12:24 AM
Thanks for the report RF- highly interesting.
I did my second pine rinse and LOVE it- highly moisturizing, zero residue.
I’m also wondering about cedar since there’s tons of it here, must investigate.
Some tree oils can be caustic.

I'm going to have to try out your pine tea rinse. Most of the trees around here (and there are a lot of them) are pines. I've made pine cookies before and even pine tea, but never even considered using it on my hair.

If you do try out the cedar please update us. I really love the smell and even know where a few cedar groves are nearby.

Siv
November 24th, 2017, 01:55 AM
Thanks for the report RF- highly interesting.
I did my second pine rinse and LOVE it- highly moisturizing, zero residue.
I’m also wondering about cedar since there’s tons of it here, must investigate.
Some tree oils can be caustic.

Does the pine rinse provide any slip?

proo
November 24th, 2017, 08:23 AM
My hair has become very slippery-
I think it’s somewhat due to the rinse but vinegar is highly effective for me in this regard.
Also I routinely doobie wrap it dry in a silky scarf which lays cuticle bigtime.

Hiyotoris
November 27th, 2017, 06:04 AM
I do weekly hotoil scalp and hair treatments. My regular one consists of 1/2 tea spoon of castor oil, 2 tea spoons of jojoba, 1 tea spoon of argan oil and 2 tea spoons of macadamia nut oil. Recently since cutting out silicones/sulfates/mineral oil/drying alcohols my hair is so knotty after washing, so I'm going to mix up my oil treatment. I'm going to cut out castor oil completely as some have said that could be causing my tangles. I'm going to try to use 3 tea spoons of grapeseed oil, 2 tea spoons of avocado oil, 1 tea spoon of argan oil to see if that improves my hair. I normally leave it in around 20 hours in my hair, so I will try that and also try leaving it in for 2 hours before washing. My next wash is thursday night so I will check back to see how it went!

T0n1c
November 27th, 2017, 12:46 PM
Finally got some cone-free conditioner and I think it really helps. After seeing lots of love for Suave here on LHC, I picked up a big bottle of their coconut (it was the first one I looked at that was cone-free, and it smells faboo!). It was cheap, smells great, and met my needs.

Tried it yesterday for the first time, multiple ways. I put it in my SMT, put some on my ends before doing a SLS wash (hair felt...off. Decided it needed a clarifying wash, and it seems to have ehlped) then conditioned with it, rinsed most of it out, conditioned with cone-y condish (Hello Hydration), and added a teensy bit of Suave just before I got out of the shower (on soaking wet hair, before I squeezed) as a leave-in. My hair feels lighter and softer than it had been, so I'm calling it a win!

Experimenting with using a bit of Suave, very watered down, as a leave-in, since I have yet to find a leave-in with no protein that I like. (Ok, "have yet to take time to look for" would be better than "yet to find" I are lazy.)

Eastbound&Down
November 28th, 2017, 09:02 AM
After we get settled into our new house, I'm going to restock my oils and start doing my weekly DTs again. I really enjoyed doing them, even if they don't help growth, they definitely help the condition and I like the pampering.

Hiyotoris
December 1st, 2017, 07:22 AM
I do weekly hotoil scalp and hair treatments. My regular one consists of 1/2 tea spoon of castor oil, 2 tea spoons of jojoba, 1 tea spoon of argan oil and 2 tea spoons of macadamia nut oil. Recently since cutting out silicones/sulfates/mineral oil/drying alcohols my hair is so knotty after washing, so I'm going to mix up my oil treatment. I'm going to cut out castor oil completely as some have said that could be causing my tangles. I'm going to try to use 3 tea spoons of grapeseed oil, 2 tea spoons of avocado oil, 1 tea spoon of argan oil to see if that improves my hair. I normally leave it in around 20 hours in my hair, so I will try that and also try leaving it in for 2 hours before washing. My next wash is thursday night so I will check back to see how it went!

I have good news! I did the oil treatment (avocado and grapeseed oil in a 1:1 ratio) I did leave out the argan as I apply that on damp hair as a leave in. My hair was way less knotty! I have also switched out my shampoo (shea moisture raw shea and cupuacu) to a natural red henna shampoo bar. My curls have bounced up today and I'm really loving that bar shampoo so far! Next wash is sunday night. I will also check in to see how things go!

Hiyotoris
December 1st, 2017, 07:23 AM
I do weekly hotoil scalp and hair treatments. My regular one consists of 1/2 tea spoon of castor oil, 2 tea spoons of jojoba, 1 tea spoon of argan oil and 2 tea spoons of macadamia nut oil. Recently since cutting out silicones/sulfates/mineral oil/drying alcohols my hair is so knotty after washing, so I'm going to mix up my oil treatment. I'm going to cut out castor oil completely as some have said that could be causing my tangles. I'm going to try to use 3 tea spoons of grapeseed oil, 2 tea spoons of avocado oil, 1 tea spoon of argan oil to see if that improves my hair. I normally leave it in around 20 hours in my hair, so I will try that and also try leaving it in for 2 hours before washing. My next wash is thursday night so I will check back to see how it went!

I have good news! I did the oil treatment (avocado and grapeseed oil in a 1:1 ratio) I did leave out the argan as I apply that on damp hair as a leave in. My hair was way less knotty! I have also switched out my shampoo (shea moisture raw shea and cupuacu) to a natural red henna shampoo bar. My curls have bounced up today and I'm really loving that bar shampoo so far! Next wash is sunday night. I will also check in to see how things go!

ReptilianFeline
December 1st, 2017, 07:29 AM
I tried using rice flour instead of chickpea flour in my homemade shampoo and it didn't go so well. Rice flour doesn't expand/become creamy when in cool water. It needs to be heated/cooked a bit. I ended up adding some guar gum flour to my juniper water and rice flour mix just to make it creamy. The ground pepper as an exfoliant didn't work very well either. It expanded and clogged up the shampoo bottle nozzle. And to top it all, my hair got a coating on it that I don't like and my scalp feels crusty. So, back to chickpea flour and juniper water for sunday wash. Hopefully that will clear away the coating.

Eastbound&Down
December 1st, 2017, 09:29 PM
I will start back up with my JBCO/coconut/almond/oil and conditioner mix on sunday. I have plain coconut oil on and leaving it overnight right now, it's been a little dry.

poli
December 4th, 2017, 11:59 AM
I finished the leave-ins experiment. It is cold outside and dry indoors, so my hair rejected all conditioners with humectants (most of what I own) especially left without rinsing. Tried just plain oil, but it's so easy to overdo and I have to bun it for two days till next wash. Winter = coney serums for me :)

Corvana
December 4th, 2017, 01:17 PM
Just got in my curl cream and sulfate free shampoo, and now it's time to clarify, deep condition, and then start finding a new routine that works for me and brings out my waves!

Trying: SM Manuka Honey Shampoo, SM Manuka Honey Deep Conditioner, Suave Essentials Cherry Blossom, Cantu Coconut Curling Cream.

Routines to Try

Clarifying Routine
Suave Daily Clarifying on scalp and lengths
Deep condition
LOC with water as the L, current oil as the O, and CCCC as the C (heh)

Regular Washing Routine
Shampoo with MHS
Condition x2 with SECB
LOC with water as the L, current oil as the O, and CCCC as the C

I'll start with weekly like I've been doing, but will see if I need to wash more often while sulfate free like I needed to when I co-washed.

Things I'm Trying to Fix

Waves dropping so much. Partially due to length, as they seemed to stick around better at APL+ if old photos are anything to go by.
Scalp itchies. I've been co-washing this past week because I didn't have my shampoo yet, and while I needed to wash more often, my scalp was super pleased. I'm thinking the sulfates were too harsh, especially now that it's colder. But I've always had minor itchies with the sulfates, but they'd disappear in a day so I was rarely bothered.

I think that's about it!

leayellena
December 5th, 2017, 01:17 AM
yesterday I washed my hair with cone free conditioner then I did a deep condition.
I think for me shampoo is dead. R.I.P. unless you want your folicles to oil your scalp in few hours...
yes, with cone free conditioner my hair looks and feels better than with mild shampoo :O (actually finding it great because the conditioner is waaaay cheaoer than the shampoo) :P

here's my hair dried completely 2 hours after washing
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29390&d=1512459300

Corvana
December 7th, 2017, 12:47 AM
Just got in my curl cream and sulfate free shampoo, and now it's time to clarify, deep condition, and then start finding a new routine that works for me and brings out my waves!

Trying: SM Manuka Honey Shampoo, SM Manuka Honey Deep Conditioner, Suave Essentials Cherry Blossom, Cantu Coconut Curling Cream.

Routines to Try

Clarifying Routine
Suave Daily Clarifying on scalp and lengths
Deep condition
LOC with water as the L, current oil as the O, and CCCC as the C (heh)

Regular Washing Routine
Shampoo with MHS
Condition x2 with SECB
LOC with water as the L, current oil as the O, and CCCC as the C

I'll start with weekly like I've been doing, but will see if I need to wash more often while sulfate free like I needed to when I co-washed.

Things I'm Trying to Fix

Waves dropping so much. Partially due to length, as they seemed to stick around better at APL+ if old photos are anything to go by.
Scalp itchies. I've been co-washing this past week because I didn't have my shampoo yet, and while I needed to wash more often, my scalp was super pleased. I'm thinking the sulfates were too harsh, especially now that it's colder. But I've always had minor itchies with the sulfates, but they'd disappear in a day so I was rarely bothered.

I think that's about it!

Clarified tonight! Feels great, and WAVES happened!!

http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29401&d=1512632530

My signature is at about 80% dry? I was able to be patient tonight and got a photo at 100% dry! The curl cream definitely helped!

New thing to add: washing earlier in the day... I'm gonna lose all these waves when I go to bed here in a minute :wail: I'm just so used to washing at night...

Waves: undropped! Until sleep time, I'm sure.
Itchies: there while clarifying (sulfates) but gone now. Definitely think it's the sulfates, but I can definitely deal for clarifying. And maybe it'll be fine again in the summer.